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Velominati Super Prestige: Vuelta a España 2017

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Holy fuckballs. I’ve never been this late ever on a VSP. I mean, I’ve missed them entirely – which is another kind of incompetence entirely – but I’m shocked at how quickly this week blew by me. I think I have whiplash.

Be that as it may, the Vuelta is on our doorstep, and before you panic, I’ll leave the picks open until Monday so we have enough time to screw up our picks despite knowing who crashes out in the first few days.

This is actually exciting stuff. We have some serious grudge-matching going on here for the Vuelta. Chris Froome is double-talking, Bardet is trash-talking, and Contador is exit-talking. This could be interesting.

On the subject of Bardet, he is my new Schleck. I love how he looks on the bike, and he’s got a fighting spirit. And he rides a white bike, which is the color bike I’m obsessed with. And I’m equally sure he will never win a major bike race, on account that I fancy him. (Roman, if you are reading this, I ask your forgiveness.)

Alright, I’ll stop faffing about. Check the start list, get your picks in, and let’s get this party started.

// Velominati Super Prestige

  1. Here you go……turned out easy to find at least in part…..

    Clenbuterol is banned for use in livestock in Europe and the United States. Although the drug has been used to encourage muscle growth in animals like cows and pigs, European and American regulators cracked down on the practice about 10 years ago after several clenbuterol-poisoning cases in Spain, France and Italy.

    In most of those cases, the victims fell ill after eating the animals’ liver, where clenbuterol is known to accumulate.

    Fernando Ramos, a professor at the University of Coimbra in Portugal who has studied clenbuterol contamination in meat for 20 years, said it was highly unlikely that Contador tested positive from eating meat other than liver, noting that the concentration would have to be so high that the animal would have died before being slaughtered.

    When asked what the chances were that Contador’s positive test, even at such low levels, was a result of the meat he ate, Ramos said, “I can say 99 percent, it’s impossible.”

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  2. On the Bertie/ clenbuterol thing (and having a background in livestock production processing – someone’s go to do it!) I would tend to agree that it was unlikely to have come from meat. I also think it is highly unlikely that he took it deliberately. If you wanted to create lean muscle/ burn fat there is an alternative substance used in livestock production in soem parts of the world (but not Europe/ US) called ractopamine which has a half life in the body of 6 hours compared to a couple of weeks for clenbuterol. More likely it was in some supplement or other that he got off the internet. We had a similar case in the UK with a footballer (soccerer? soccer player?) Kolo Toure who tested positive after using his wifes slimming pills.

    I would have preferred Bertie to have retired last year. I always hate to see someone go on too long (although I saw James Brown live well after his prime.)

    (By the way do I use too many parentheses) (?)

  3. Never mind the brackets (as the Sex Pistols didn’t say) my spelling and punctuation in that post were shit!

  4. I finally paid to watch cycling this years (cycling.tv) and now the Vuelta is blacked out in the U.S. Great!

  5. @Ron

    I finally paid to watch cycling this years (cycling.tv) and now the Vuelta is blacked out in the U.S. Great!

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    Ron,

    I watched the Sporza feed on Steephill.tv yesterday – live! Ok, it’s in Dutch, but hey, you can’t have it all!

  6. @Joe Bloggs

    Never mind the brackets (as the Sex Pistols didn’t say) my spelling and punctuation in that post were shit!




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    I got your jist and appreciate the informed comment. Yeah, Bertie should have retired a while back, but I guess when teams throw big $$ at you it’s hard to turn down.

  7. @wiscot

    @Joe Bloggs

    Never mind the brackets (as the Sex Pistols didn’t say) my spelling and punctuation in that post were shit!

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    I got your jist and appreciate the informed comment. Yeah, Bertie should have retired a while back, but I guess when teams throw big $$ at you it’s hard to turn down.

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    Robbie McEwen had a very interesting observation regarding this upon his own retirement years ago. as i recall, it was something like “a rider must compete until they are done racing.” meaning, if a rider retires too soon, before the spirit and willingness to compete at the pro level is exhausted, they will struggle to adjust to life after cycling. as a fan, i always liked McEwen. nobody in his day had his race savvy and killer instinct. that he’s articulated the dynamics of racing at the top levels so as to be better understood by punters like me is a big plus, too.

  8. check this out, if y’all haven’t already. Froome advocating the 3 second rule, implemented during the TdF. as a viewer, i surely noticed the difference at the Tour, and it seems like a good idea:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-froome-advocates-three-second-rule-for-flat-stages/

  9. @wiscot

    The NBC Sports Gold cycling package (I think I paid $29.00 for 6 months) is broadcasting the Vuelta live on its website. Well worth it for those of us in the USA.

  10. @dancollins

    @wiscot

    The NBC Sports Gold cycling package (I think I paid $29.00 for 6 months) is broadcasting the Vuelta live on its website. Well worth it for those of us in the USA.

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    I’m in the US but get my TV “over the air” these days. Cut the cable a few years back. That’s not too bad a price though . . .

  11. @wiscot

    @dancollins

    @wiscot

    The NBC Sports Gold cycling package (I think I paid $29.00 for 6 months) is broadcasting the Vuelta live on its website. Well worth it for those of us in the USA.

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    I’m in the US but get my TV “over the air” these days. Cut the cable a few years back. That’s not too bad a price though . . .

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    I only get “over the air”, too. But the NBC Sports Gold is something that you can get through your computer, tablet or (maybe) a smart TV app. I put the app on my tablet so I can watch from anywhere. Well, except from my place of employment – they would frown at that.

  12. @MangoDave

    I believe Dave is correct. As long as you have internet access, I think you can purchase the NBC Sports Gold cycling app. I don’t think you need a TV subscription through cable, etc.

  13. @MangoDave

    I believe Dave is correct. I don’t think you need a TV subscription to NBC Sports. As long as you have access to the internet, you can buy the NBC Sports Gold cycling package app. I watch it on my laptop and on my smartphone.

  14. We have highlights on Itv4. Which means I have to endure that Watchfinder bastard again.

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  15. @RobSandy

    WFH with Eurosport on the Mac in the background. Well maybe work in the background actually.

  16. @RobSandy

    Managed to avoid him so far – thanks to the ITV4 schedulers p*ssing around with the time so that whenever I get chance to watch there is womens rubgy or some scousers playing football instead, and la Vuelta is on way past my bedtime!

  17. Commuted to my office today on my white bike! Everyone needs a white bike. Simple, clean, sexy! As much as I like my flashy Tommasini paint job, I love having a white/black bike and wearing white/black kit. A moving Peugeot jersey!!

  18. @Ron

    Commuted to my office today on my white bike! Everyone needs a white bike. Simple, clean, sexy! As much as I like my flashy Tommasini paint job, I love having a white/black bike and wearing white/black kit. A moving Peugeot jersey!!

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    Photos please. (or it didn’t happen!)

    Is there a most combative rider award at the Vuelta? We all know Thomas DeGendt was robbed of that award at the Tour, but here he is again at the Vuelta doing the same thing. Kicking ass and taking names every day in breakaways. Chapeau!

  19. Barguil thrown out by Sunweb for not following team orders http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sunweb-send-barguil-home-from-vuelta-after-disagreements-over-tactics/

  20. @Teocalli

    Barguil thrown out by Sunweb for not following team orders http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sunweb-send-barguil-home-from-vuelta-after-disagreements-over-tactics/

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    complete asininity. sending Barguil home with a parcours this hilly is folly.

  21. @Cary

    @Teocalli

    Barguil thrown out by Sunweb for not following team orders http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sunweb-send-barguil-home-from-vuelta-after-disagreements-over-tactics/

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    complete asininity. sending Barguil home with a parcours this hilly is folly.

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    Barguil is a short timer with Sunweb. He is signed with a new team next year so Sunweb owes him nothing. His personal results will benefit another team next year. Why keep him in the race if he is not going to be a team player?

    I would bet money that the decision to send him home had something to do with team morale.

  22. @Rick

    @Cary

    @Teocalli

    Barguil thrown out by Sunweb for not following team orders http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sunweb-send-barguil-home-from-vuelta-after-disagreements-over-tactics/

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    complete asininity. sending Barguil home with a parcours this hilly is folly.

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    Barguil is a short timer with Sunweb. He is signed with a new team next year so Sunweb owes him nothing. His personal results will benefit another team next year. Why keep him in the race if he is not going to be a team player?

    I would bet money that the decision to send him home had something to do with team morale.

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    nothing’s better for morale than results, and Barguil was their best shot at that. has to be more to the story than that.

  23. @Cary

    @Rick

    @Cary

    @Teocalli

    Barguil thrown out by Sunweb for not following team orders http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sunweb-send-barguil-home-from-vuelta-after-disagreements-over-tactics/

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    complete asininity. sending Barguil home with a parcours this hilly is folly.

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    Barguil is a short timer with Sunweb. He is signed with a new team next year so Sunweb owes him nothing. His personal results will benefit another team next year. Why keep him in the race if he is not going to be a team player?

    I would bet money that the decision to send him home had something to do with team morale.

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    nothing’s better for morale than results, and Barguil was their best shot at that. has to be more to the story than that.

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    There was more to the story. It was all in the article: Barguil wanted to ride for himself instead of the team. This created “several disagreements within the squad.” As a result, they sent him home.

    This is part of team sports. If a participant in a team sport doesn’t work toward team goals the participant is not allowed to play. Apparently, the team had tabbed Kelderman as its GC hope.

  24. @Rick

    Barguil refused to bring Kelderman back to the peloton after the latter suffered a puncture. Correct decision I think.

  25. @KogaLover

    @Rick

    Barguil refused to bring Kelderman back to the peloton after the latter suffered a puncture. Correct decision I think.

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    I concur.

  26. @Rick

    @KogaLover

    @Rick

    Barguil refused to bring Kelderman back to the peloton after the latter suffered a puncture. Correct decision I think.

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    I concur.

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    Agreed. I read a quote from Barguil to the effect that he didn’t want to ride for GC and was prepared to lose time to put himself in that situation. Sounds like Sunweb have a talented prima donna on their hands (for a while longer, at any rate.) One things for sure, Hinault never intimated and such sentiments and except for races such as the Tour where he was undisputed leader, he was known to be a very loyal teammate.

    I doubt Tom Dumoulin will be sorry to see Barguil go if that’s his attitude and actions.

  27. Ok, so how cool would this bit of road be to ride – going up or down?!

    http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=18+km+to+go:+tricky+descent+-+Stage+10&dashboard=vuelta-a-espana&id=d19KhhpJNQg&end=20&yr=2017

  28. @Cary

    @RobSandy

    @Cary

    a) i excluded Bardet from my list based on his final TdF TT, but included Cotador out of sentimentality and well wishes. one good decision cancels a bad one. story of my life.

    …and I took Bardet out based on your comments. Who’s the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows the fool?

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    i’ve been trying to figure that out since i was in the Marine Corps. no answers yet.

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    Turns out we were right about Bardet after all.

    Typical that the year I might win the VSP the points aren’t being calculated and there doesn’t seem to be any prizes!

    Doesn’t matter, I didn’t enter for the prizes. Like I don’t race for points..

  29. @RobSandy

    @Cary

    @RobSandy

    @Cary

    a) i excluded Bardet from my list based on his final TdF TT, but included Cotador out of sentimentality and well wishes. one good decision cancels a bad one. story of my life.

    …and I took Bardet out based on your comments. Who’s the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows the fool?

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    i’ve been trying to figure that out since i was in the Marine Corps. no answers yet.

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    Turns out we were right about Bardet after all.

    Typical that the year I might win the VSP the points aren’t being calculated and there doesn’t seem to be any prizes!

    Doesn’t matter, I didn’t enter for the prizes. Like I don’t race for points..

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    chapeau to Bardet on a very well contested grand tour season. don’t we kinda have to look at this as proof of clean racing? ten years ago, you wouldn’t see a rider of Bardet’s caliber dying like he has. i’ll not forget that final TdF TT, he looked thoroughly eviscerated.

  30. @Cary

    Yeh, I like him. He’s a battler and looks fucking good on a bike.

    I’d like think he could win the Tour one day, although he might have to wait for Froome to retire!

  31. @RobSandy

    Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

  32. @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

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    i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

  33. @RobSandy

    @Cary

    Yeh, I like him. He’s a battler and looks fucking good on a bike.

    I’d like think he could win the Tour one day, although he might have to wait for Froome to retire!

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    he kindareminds me of Robert Millar in his heyday.

  34. @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

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    If it transpired we were down at the in-laws that weekend, probably a good chance.

    I’ve broached the subject and I’ll let you know.

  35. @Cary

    @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

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    i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

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    Let me know if you’re ever in South Wales and I’ll take you out. I even know where to get good coffee.

    You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

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  36. @Cary

    @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

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    i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

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    You’d always be welcome to come and stay here.

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  37. @RobSandy

    @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

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    If it transpired we were down at the in-laws that weekend, probably a good chance.

    I’ve broached the subject and I’ll let you know.




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    Fingers crossed.

    Re short steep climbs – that’s kinda the Surrey Hills for you – and I live on the top of one. In fact I think it’s about the second highest. Pretty hard to find a flat ride from here. I do often yearn for one. Though it does mean that grabbing a quick hour to hour and a half from work can give a decent workout.

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  38. @RobSandy

    @Cary

    @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

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    i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

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    Let me know if you’re ever in South Wales and I’ll take you out. I even know where to get good coffee.

    You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

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    yeah. actually, that’s exactly my game!

  39. @Cary

    @Cary

    @Teocalli

    You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

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    yeah. actually, that’s exactly my game!

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    This is what it’s like round here.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/707430920

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  40. @Teocalli

    @Cary

    @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

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    i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

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    You’d always be welcome to come and stay here.




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    though this forum seems to be on an, at least temporary, hiatus, it would be just great if the remaining contributors could make the best of what’s left. i really appreciate this.

  41. @RobSandy

    @Cary

    @Cary

    @Teocalli

    You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

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    yeah. actually, that’s exactly my game!

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    This is what it’s like round here.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/707430920




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    that looks outstanding, i wish i had terrain like this locally, but it’s pan-flat, and windy here. i have to go out of town for even moderate hills, though the hilly rides just outside my metro area are SUPER nice. heaven on earth, really. nice ride, by the way.

  42. @Cary

    @RobSandy

    @Cary

    @Cary

    @Teocalli

    You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

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    yeah. actually, that’s exactly my game!

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    This is what it’s like round here.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/707430920

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    that looks outstanding, i wish i had terrain like this locally, but it’s pan-flat, and windy here. i have to go out of town for even moderate hills, though the hilly rides just outside my metro area are SUPER nice. heaven on earth, really. nice ride, by the way.

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    It was brutal. Some of the gradients are silly – 30% ish. Funny thing is, you could do a similar ride up the valley floors and miss out nearly all the hills. It’s a great place to live for a road cyclist round here. And the mountain biking is good too. There’s a reason we churn out loads and loads of pros.

  43. @Cary




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    though this forum seems to be on an, at least temporary, hiatus, it would be just great if the remaining contributors could make the best of what’s left. i really appreciate this.

    We’re still here, chatting about bikes and rides and riders.

  44. @RobSandy

    @Cary

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    though this forum seems to be on an, at least temporary, hiatus, it would be just great if the remaining contributors could make the best of what’s left. i really appreciate this.

    We’re still here, chatting about bikes and rides and riders.

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    for sure, cycling is LIFE! as a fan, and a rider, i’m not going anywhere.

  45. @RobSandy

    And that looks like fun ! Cheers

  46. Alessandro De Marchi (BMC), Alexis Gougeard (AG2R-La Mondiale), Thomas De Gendt (Lotto Soudal) and Arnaud Courteille (FDJ) have maintained an average speed of 42.8km/h in the first two hours of racing.

    That’s my average speed for my 10 mile PB. And look at the parcours they have done that on?

    Animals.

  47. @RobSandy

    Alessandro De Marchi (BMC), Alexis Gougeard (AG2R-La Mondiale), Thomas De Gendt (Lotto Soudal) and Arnaud Courteille (FDJ) have maintained an average speed of 42.8km/h in the first two hours of racing.

    That’s my average speed for my 10 mile PB. And look at the parcours they have done that on?

    Animals.

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    That’s why they get paid to ride, and we don’t!

  48. @Teocalli

    i just took my new Masi out for a 30k hellfest. while i was suffering like a stray dog in a gutter, i kept looking at my chrome luggs, and was duly fortified by the visage. the communication from the road, provided by Reynolds steel, an appreciated bonus. road cycling is so much more than heart rate and wattage. a GREAT day in my life, among many, provided by a finely crafted and properly equipped machine.

  49. @Cary

    @Teocalli

    i just took my new Masi out for a 30k hellfest. while i was suffering like a stray dog in a gutter, i kept looking at my chrome luggs, and was duly fortified by the visage. the communication from the road, provided by Reynolds steel, an appreciated bonus. road cycling is so much more than heart rate and wattage. a GREAT day in my life, among many, provided by a finely crafted and properly equipped machine.

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    Nice

  50. I watched today’s stage courtesy of Steephill. I was hoping for some fireworks on the 28k climb to the summit finish. In the end, the GC contenders finished mostly together. Zakarin attacked and gained time to move into third place overall (which screwed my VSP picks).

    It seems these days everyone in Grand Tours rides to preserve their podium place rather than to win.

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