Velominati Super Prestige: Men’s World Championship Road Race 2017

Peter Sagan has undergone quite the transformation over the years; starting as a brash and disrespectful neo-pro, he’s blossomed into one of the most exciting and charismatic racers in the bunch. A sort of modern-day Mario Cipollini.

And, as much as I dislike seeing riders dominate and take the excitement out of the sport, I love watching Peter race and I expect that if he manages to pull off his third straight worlds title, it was be a spectacular feat. Besides, he looks great in his black bibs with the bands, and I’ve gotten quite used to seeing him in those colors, so I don’t want to have to adjust to seeing another rider in them.

And, everybody knows you don’t ride triples; win triples.

Check the start list and good luck!

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178 Replies to “Velominati Super Prestige: Men’s World Championship Road Race 2017”

  1. @wiscot

    I love coming to this site and do so on a near daily basis. I’ll be damned if I’ll look at a friggin’ facebook page every day. I’m sure it’s probably easier to host and maintain, but this site is/was a special wee oasis for those who chose to come here. Throwing it on facebook just seems wrong.

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    I, too, enjoy visiting here, it’s got an entirely different feel than the other internets.  I still haven’t been able to join in a cogal, FFS.  It can’t end yet.

    This is really ruining my day.

  2. I’m posting the picture just as a test.  If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

    This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice.  He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel.  Or a Jaegher.  Or a ….

  3. @MangoDave

    Yeah – I’m juggling my retirement gift for myself.  Here is my leading candidate at the moment.  Though also fancy here but don’t really want to wait 12 months or more!

    Also will be going on a frame building course in the Summer and will make (at least) one myself.

  4. @Brett

    Ouch. And then there was one. Does that mean you’ve handed back the keys to the V-bunker?

    i’m not sure it’s a story I want to hear but is there a plan or is the site going to be left to slowly decay?

    Whatever happens it was good riding with you guys.

  5. @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    It’s been on FB for yonks.

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    Ha! Just shows how often I go on FB. I have a page (is that the right term?) but I have to say I never post anything and barely look at it from one end of a month to the other. That whole situation where people like to make out their lives are just one fabulous moment after another causing others to develop massive anxiety disorders because they FOMO, just depresses the hell out of me.

  6. @Brett

    Chill Brett, I’ve no idea whats going on.

    Like others here, I’ve enjoyed this site, had some fun and made some friends.

    It’s sad to see it coming apart.

  7. @wiscot

    @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    It’s been on FB for yonks.

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    Ha! Just shows how often I go on FB. I have a page (is that the right term?) but I have to say I never post anything and barely look at it from one end of a month to the other. That whole situation where people like to make out their lives are just one fabulous moment after another causing others to develop massive anxiety disorders because they FOMO, just depresses the hell out of me.

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    Not to mention the impression that you are morally judged on whether you “share” some picture, quote etc or not.  Since when did “share” on FB become the moral arbiter of our lives?

    Surely we can drag this place back from it’s small excursion to the Dark Side……..

  8. Yes, it has been fun. Thanks to you all for the camaraderie. I love coming here and do so daily. It would be very sad for it to go away.

  9. @MangoDave

    I’m posting the picture just as a test. If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

    This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice. He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel. Or a Jaegher. Or a ….

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    If a Slim Chance is the last bike foto posted on this site before it drifts in to forgotten spaces well then I suppose that that would be apropos. Cool bike ! Cheers

  10. I have been lurking around for years but do not post much. Anyway, from what I gather from this site @Frank seems pretty dedicated to it, and the community. I know he fell, and hope he recovers quickly. I just hope its not more serious then what’s been said.

  11. @Randy C

    @MangoDave

    I’m posting the picture just as a test. If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

    This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice. He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel. Or a Jaegher. Or a ….

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    If a Slim Chance is the last bike foto posted on this site before it drifts in to forgotten spaces well then I suppose that that would be apropos. Cool bike ! Cheers

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    Or this?

  12. @RobSandy

    @Randy C

    @MangoDave

    I’m posting the picture just as a test. If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

    This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice. He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel. Or a Jaegher. Or a ….

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    If a Slim Chance is the last bike foto posted on this site before it drifts in to forgotten spaces well then I suppose that that would be apropos. Cool bike ! Cheers

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    Or this?




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    Cunts! Last try before I sulk off.

  13. @wiscot

    @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    It’s been on FB for yonks.

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    Ha! Just shows how often I go on FB. I have a page (is that the right term?) but I have to say I never post anything and barely look at it from one end of a month to the other. That whole situation where people like to make out their lives are just one fabulous moment after another causing others to develop massive anxiety disorders because they FOMO, just depresses the hell out of me.




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    You’ve just summarised pretty much everything wrong with the world. And yes, Facebook has a lot to answer for. However, our cycling club is run on FB so I use it pretty frequently.

    The other problem is I’ve got a technical problem with my build and now have nowhere to go to ask for help. I asked my actual friends, on Facebook, and they just took the piss. And I’m fucked if I’m taking it to a bike shop at this stage.

  14. @RobSandy

    Well we are still here for now, so ask away.

    Re FB – it’s a pretty sad reflection on the world when the arbiter of whether you are a moral person or care about something is whether you share a comment or picture on FB and not what you actually do in life itself.

    Hopefully this place is taking only a short diversion into the Dark Side and the V-force will be stabilised before too long.

  15. @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Well we are still here for now, so ask away.

    Re FB – it’s a pretty sad reflection on the world when the arbiter of whether you are a moral person or care about something is whether you share a comment or picture on FB and not what you actually do in life itself.

    Hopefully this place is taking only a short diversion into the Dark Side and the V-force will be stabilised before too long.

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  16. That’s the FD, the cable running from the cable stop (which is a little cage on the seat tube) to the mounting bolt fouls on the back of the derailleur itself. The cable stop can’t be moved and there doesn’t seem to be any for/aft adjustment of the derailleur mount either.

    I can’t see it’d be a good thing to run a set up like this, apart from anything else the cable either hooks around the back of the rivet or frees itself and runs straight, so cable tension goes all to shit.

  17. @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt. Gruppo lead the other way.

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    As I said in the Bikes, it would probably be better but I don’t know if it would solved completely.

    Also, have all my pics posted or just the one of the FD?

  18. @Teocalli

    The other oddness (and I wonder if these things are related), is that although the braze-on mount has substantial room for up and down adjustment, if I move the FD down much, the back end of the spring hits the cable stop cage on the seat tube, chips the paint and prevents the derailleur moving fully in.

    Fore/aft adjustment of the mount would solve both of these problems but it doesn’t seem as if you can do it.

    There’s no way you could run a compact as the spring would foul on the cable stop.

    I could clip the very end of the spring off which would help, but seems a bit drastic.

  19. @Marcus

    @Brett

    I think it was Frank who said that “extraordinary allegations require extraordinary truth”?

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    Well, it IS a fact that plenty of money has been taken for V Kit that will never ever be delivered.

    Where the money is I have no idea, but I do know I don’t have kit.

  20. @RobSandy

    @Teocalli

    The other oddness (and I wonder if these things are related), is that although the braze-on mount has substantial room for up and down adjustment, if I move the FD down much, the back end of the spring hits the cable stop cage on the seat tube, chips the paint and prevents the derailleur moving fully in.

    Fore/aft adjustment of the mount would solve both of these problems but it doesn’t seem as if you can do it.

    There’s no way you could run a compact as the spring would foul on the cable stop.

    I could clip the very end of the spring off which would help, but seems a bit drastic.

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    Can’t visualise that.  Don’t get re fore/aft as normally if you have a round seat tube then the alignment of the cage to the chain sets the mount position.  I can’t visualise how moving up/down for a compact should make matters worse.

  21. @Teocalli

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    Can’t visualise that. Don’t get re fore/aft as normally if you have a round seat tube then the alignment of the cage to the chain sets the mount position. I can’t visualise how moving up/down for a compact should make matters worse.

    Yep its difficult to explain and the picture doesn’t show it. But I’ve had to set the cage higher than it should be so the back end of the spring doesn’t hit the cable stop. If the derailleur was lower it’d hit it as the cage swung.

     

  22. @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt. Gruppo lead the other way.

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    I would try Teocalli’s suggestion first.  You might be surprised how big of a difference it can make sometimes.

  23. @MangoDave

    @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt. Gruppo lead the other way.

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    I would try Teocalli’s suggestion first. You might be surprised how big of a difference it can make sometimes.

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    Shimano has a “tool” they provide that a person is supposed to use to establish the best route for the cable in to the mech. Naturally I wouldn’t use it. I’ve played around with threading the cable in to the lever arm on each side of the bolt to get best action on a 105 FD on my cross bike.

  24. @RobSandy

    @RobSandy

    @Rick

    Froome confirms Giro participation. I have to admit that despite the rumors I never thought he would race the Giro.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

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    Me neither, I thought it was a bit of bluff.

    Chapeau to him. I’m quite impressed he’s taken that risk.

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    Agreed. I thought a potential 5th TdF win would keep him out of the Italian Grand Tour. If Froomey has show us anything over the last few years it is that he is a bike racer. Glad to see him take up the challenge.

    The Giro could be the best GT of the year by far with Froome and Dumoulin racing.

  25. @Cary

    wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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    It is rumored that Froome was offered 2 million reasons to ride the Giro.

  26. @RobSandy

    @Rick

    Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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    I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

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    Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

    Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

    As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

  27. @Rick

    @RobSandy

    @Rick

    Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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    I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

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    Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

    Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

    As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

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    Agree with all of that. It looks extremely bad if it was on purpose or accidental.

  28. @Rick

    @RobSandy

    @Rick

    Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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    I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

    0

    Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

    Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

    As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

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    Given Sky’s budget and previous stances on drugs, I am amazed at the incompetence of their medical staff. The whole “jiffy bag” fiasco was something that should never have happened and Sky’s handling (or mishandling) of the matter made it worse. Now this. I don’t have asthmna, but apparently the dosage in each inhaler is easy to ascertain. As is the threshold that would trigger a positive test. I’m no mathematician, but it shouldn’t be too hard to look at the numbers and figure out how many puffs a day from a regulated inhaler you can take.  The whole thing stinks of marginal gains gone wrong.

    I don’t see how a ban can be avoided. This will tarnish Froome’s reputation and likely hit him in the pocket – will he be eligible for the Giro and Tour, and if so, will they want him?

    I’d like to hear the opinion of any Velominati who have asthma issues and what they have to say.

  29. @wiscot

    @Rick

     

    I’d like to hear the opinion of any Velominati who have asthma issues and what they have to say.

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    I have asthma and I usually have a quick puff of my blue inhaler before a race. But if I was the race leader and in contention for the overall win of a Grand Tour and be REALLY FUCKING CAREFUL about getting the dose absolutely right and err on the side of caution.

    Lets see what comes out but it fucking stinks.

  30. @wiscot

    As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”.  By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs.  They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it.  What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

    I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all.  Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

  31. @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”. By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs. They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it. What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

    I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all. Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

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    So, in short, to have such a high level of salbuterol in one’s system would be hard to do while using the inhaler in a manner consistent with sound medical advice?

    It stinks to high heaven for sure. You’d think given all the previous busts for salbuterol and the penalties handed out, that the team would be careful. But you know what, for all Sky’s outwardly “clean” image and claims of “marginal gains” and top class organization with fancy buses and team cars, I think it’s just a fucking sham. Geraint Thomas needs to get the fuck out of there asap.

  32. @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”. By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs. They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it. What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

    I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all. Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

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    From the cyclingnews link that explains some of the asthma rules:

    • Asthma is typically treated with inhaled corticosteroids (eg. Fluticasone/Flovent – not prohibited in competition), and bronchodilators (inhaled beta 2-agonists such as salbutamol/albuterol).
    • Oral or injected beta 2-agonists can have anabolic effects and are banned in and out of competition.

    so it would appear that the route of administration of the medication can be a factor and it’s possible to get a benefit beyond the dilation of the lungs.

  33. @MangoDave

    Who knows.  The other part I read said that any effect would be limited to events like Sprinting (athletics) and Weightlifting but would be limited but any benefit would be limited to questionable.

  34. @wiscot

    Geraint Thomas needs to get the fuck out of there asap.

    Agreed. He’s given him some of his best years and all they’ve done is screw him.

  35. At least a balanced view with facts http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42350159

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