Don't ride triples, win triples.

Velominati Super Prestige: Men’s World Championship Road Race 2017

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Peter Sagan has undergone quite the transformation over the years; starting as a brash and disrespectful neo-pro, he’s blossomed into one of the most exciting and charismatic racers in the bunch. A sort of modern-day Mario Cipollini.

And, as much as I dislike seeing riders dominate and take the excitement out of the sport, I love watching Peter race and I expect that if he manages to pull off his third straight worlds title, it was be a spectacular feat. Besides, he looks great in his black bibs with the bands, and I’ve gotten quite used to seeing him in those colors, so I don’t want to have to adjust to seeing another rider in them.

And, everybody knows you don’t ride triples; win triples.

Check the start list and good luck!

// Velominati Super Prestige

  1. Froome confirms Giro participation. I have to admit that despite the rumors I never thought he would race the Giro.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

  2. @Rick

    Froome confirms Giro participation. I have to admit that despite the rumors I never thought he would race the Giro.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

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    Me neither, I thought it was a bit of bluff.

    Chapeau to him. I’m quite impressed he’s taken that risk.

  3. @RobSandy

    @RobSandy

    @Rick

    Froome confirms Giro participation. I have to admit that despite the rumors I never thought he would race the Giro.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

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    Me neither, I thought it was a bit of bluff.

    Chapeau to him. I’m quite impressed he’s taken that risk.

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    Agreed. I thought a potential 5th TdF win would keep him out of the Italian Grand Tour. If Froomey has show us anything over the last few years it is that he is a bike racer. Glad to see him take up the challenge.

    The Giro could be the best GT of the year by far with Froome and Dumoulin racing.

  4. wow. Froome does not lack balls.

  5. @Cary

    wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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    I think the Giro parcours is announced today. Is it Froome-friendly?

  6. @wis

    @Cary

    wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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    I think the Giro parcours is announced today. Is it Froome-friendly?

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    Nibali thinks so:

    http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/giro-ditalia/vincenzo-nibali-2018-giro-ditalia-route-suits-chris-froome-361029

  7. @Cary

    wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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    It is rumored that Froome was offered 2 million reasons to ride the Giro.

  8. wow. a bit of a compromise, still, i think:

    Russia banned from Olympics; athletes can compete as neutrals – NBC Sports https://apple.news/AU4y_GyYpSdGbAQ_o5UuKSw

  9. Massive props to Froomey for racing the Giro, big balls indeed. Still…

    http://chainslapmag.com/2017/12/froome-win-record-devaluing-three-grand-tours-row/

  10. @Rick

    Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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    I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

  11. @RobSandy

    @Rick

    Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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    I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

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    Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

    Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

    As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

  12. @Rick

    @RobSandy

    @Rick

    Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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    I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

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    Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

    Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

    As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

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    Agree with all of that. It looks extremely bad if it was on purpose or accidental.

  13. @Rick

    @RobSandy

    @Rick

    Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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    I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

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    Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

    Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

    As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

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    Given Sky’s budget and previous stances on drugs, I am amazed at the incompetence of their medical staff. The whole “jiffy bag” fiasco was something that should never have happened and Sky’s handling (or mishandling) of the matter made it worse. Now this. I don’t have asthmna, but apparently the dosage in each inhaler is easy to ascertain. As is the threshold that would trigger a positive test. I’m no mathematician, but it shouldn’t be too hard to look at the numbers and figure out how many puffs a day from a regulated inhaler you can take. The whole thing stinks of marginal gains gone wrong.

    I don’t see how a ban can be avoided. This will tarnish Froome’s reputation and likely hit him in the pocket – will he be eligible for the Giro and Tour, and if so, will they want him?

    I’d like to hear the opinion of any Velominati who have asthma issues and what they have to say.

  14. @wiscot

    @Rick

    I’d like to hear the opinion of any Velominati who have asthma issues and what they have to say.

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    I have asthma and I usually have a quick puff of my blue inhaler before a race. But if I was the race leader and in contention for the overall win of a Grand Tour and be REALLY FUCKING CAREFUL about getting the dose absolutely right and err on the side of caution.

    Lets see what comes out but it fucking stinks.

  15. @wiscot

    As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”. By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs. They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it. What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

    I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all. Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

  16. @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”. By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs. They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it. What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

    I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all. Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

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    So, in short, to have such a high level of salbuterol in one’s system would be hard to do while using the inhaler in a manner consistent with sound medical advice?

    It stinks to high heaven for sure. You’d think given all the previous busts for salbuterol and the penalties handed out, that the team would be careful. But you know what, for all Sky’s outwardly “clean” image and claims of “marginal gains” and top class organization with fancy buses and team cars, I think it’s just a fucking sham. Geraint Thomas needs to get the fuck out of there asap.

  17. @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”. By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs. They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it. What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

    I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all. Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

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    From the cyclingnews link that explains some of the asthma rules:

    • Asthma is typically treated with inhaled corticosteroids (eg. Fluticasone/Flovent – not prohibited in competition), and bronchodilators (inhaled beta 2-agonists such as salbutamol/albuterol).
    • Oral or injected beta 2-agonists can have anabolic effects and are banned in and out of competition.

    so it would appear that the route of administration of the medication can be a factor and it’s possible to get a benefit beyond the dilation of the lungs.

  18. @MangoDave

    Who knows. The other part I read said that any effect would be limited to events like Sprinting (athletics) and Weightlifting but would be limited but any benefit would be limited to questionable.

  19. @wiscot

    Geraint Thomas needs to get the fuck out of there asap.

    Agreed. He’s given him some of his best years and all they’ve done is screw him.

  20. At least a balanced view with facts http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42350159

  21. @Cary

    about time!:

    http://www.velonews.com/2017/12/news/lance-armstrong-will-invited-guest-flanders_453344

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    hmm – might withdraw my entry.

  22. I think many here (are there many here anymore?) might find this useful:

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2017/dec/14/chris-froome-failed-drug-test-live-webchat

  23. Coincidence or inspiration?

  24. @chuckp

    Well spotted sir, well spotted! Yet still no room on the jersey for GSK? For shame Sir Dave, for shame!

  25. It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

  26. @Teocalli

    It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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    That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

  27. @Rick

    @Teocalli

    It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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    That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

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    “slithering lizard”, was it? i appreciated how she backed down from the statement later, without really apologizing. i laughed a little too hard.

  28. On a similar subject, I see Nibbles is still bleating that Froome would be nothing without the Sky train. IMHO he’s somewhat forgetting that in 2012 Froome did the hard miles to take Wiggo to victory and in finishing second he still beat Nibbles into third. I think most folk would admit that Froome could easily have won in 2012 had he been given freedom to ride away.

  29. @Cary

    @Rick

    @Teocalli

    It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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    That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

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    “slithering lizard”, was it? i appreciated how she backed down from the statement later, without really apologizing. i laughed a little too hard.

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    I thought that the comment was amusing, but also embarrassingly undignified. It betrayed a large degree of lingering bitterness, as though Froome is the head Fancy Bear himself. It’s clear that the self-deception which doping athletes develop to maintain their sanity whilst cheating is being employed by the Wiggins family, to convince themselves that Brad’s use of a fat-stripping intramuscular injection for a previously unknown condition was totally necessary, and gained him no sporting advantage whatsoever.

  30. @Rick

    @Teocalli

    It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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    That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

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    Musettes at dawn?

  31. Just done an interesting comparison. Normally I ride my Steel bike on the rollers Athena Gruppo, Mavic Pro rims, conventional spoked wheels. I’ve just run the same 1hr rolling routine as I did on Friday but used #1 Bike Gruppo SR, Shamal wheels. In 1hr I “covered” 15% further on #1. Now, I’ve always known that #1 was faster (thankfully) but put that down mainly to weight and overall aero. However on rollers weight and aero of the frame are zero issues so most of the difference I guess is down to the wheels and I assume aero relating to the spokes (not many and bladed vs a forest and round). So tomorrow I’ll swap wheels to the steel bike and see what components make most difference. At least it’s good to know that all that money does have a measurable benefit! (PS It’s not a binding brake on the steel bike – I checked that!).

  32. @wiscot

    @Rick

    @Teocalli

    It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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    That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

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    Musettes at dawn?

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    Bidons at high noon.

  33. @Teocalli

    Just done an interesting comparison. Normally I ride my Steel bike on the rollers Athena Gruppo, Mavic Pro rims, conventional spoked wheels. I’ve just run the same 1hr rolling routine as I did on Friday but used #1 Bike Gruppo SR, Shamal wheels. In 1hr I “covered” 15% further on #1. Now, I’ve always known that #1 was faster (thankfully) but put that down mainly to weight and overall aero. However on rollers weight and aero of the frame are zero issues so most of the difference I guess is down to the wheels and I assume aero relating to the spokes (not many and bladed vs a forest and round). So tomorrow I’ll swap wheels to the steel bike and see what components make most difference. At least it’s good to know that all that money does have a measurable benefit! (PS It’s not a binding brake on the steel bike – I checked that!).

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    very interesting! i have two virtually identical bikes, and the one with the heavier wheels is the faster of the two. weird how that can be! i am very interested in what you learn from this wheel swap experiment.

  34. So #1 wheels on Steel Pina and I get near as damn it, the same distance in 1 hr. So there would appear to be minimal loss to an Gruppo Athena group set vs Gruppo SR on a Roller setup and it is down to the wheels. So next is to service the semi vintage hubs as they are old Chorus (practically vintage) and check out that they are not worn before putting it all down down to the extra resistance from the spokes.

  35. @Teocalli

    What about the tyres?

  36. @RobSandy

    @Teocalli

    What about the tyres?

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    I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

  37. @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    @Teocalli

    What about the tyres?

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    I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

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    Just seems like a LOT of difference to be down to hub friction.

  38. @RobSandy

    @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    @Teocalli

    What about the tyres?

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    I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

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    Just seems like a LOT of difference to be down to hub friction.

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    Yeah – I’m thinking spokes rather than hub but it does seem a lot. Kinda adds some interest to winter miles on the rollers though. I had expected that the Athena would account for some of the difference vs SR but anything there is not significant so it does seem to be the wheels/spokes unless there was something generating resistance I did not spot with the older wheels in place.

    Adds a certain piquant to riding with my buddy when I trash him on the Steel bike. “Hey But, you realise I’m 15% slower on the bike I just trashed you on……..”.

    I have a suspicion though that while there will be a difference some of it is down to something I did not spot and may simply go away. Anyway may as well service the hubs before the next cross check out of interest.

  39. @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    @Teocalli

    What about the tyres?

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    I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

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    The G+ is supposed to have less rolling resistance, I’ve seen a study showing 5-6% difference compared to the Corsa CXIII. This could explain some of your differences on the rollers.

    I recently glued on a set of G+, but I only have ridden them 60km or so. It was a couple of months since I had the CXIII’s on, so I couldn’t do a direct comparison. My initial impressions are the G+ rolls just fine, but they don’t seem as compliant in ride quality compared to the older Corsas. More testing/riding to come…

  40. @MangoDave

    I did find myself setting a whole bunch of new PRs when I switched to the G+ but a bit surprised it might be apparent on rollers – though I don’t know why I should be surprised as the times I put my #9 bike on the rollers with Conti 4 Season I can definitely feel they are more sluggish – though that could be as much the fact that they just make more noise. So I guess now I also need to do a 1 hr run on that as that has old Nucleon wheels with bladed spokes. Not sure I want to start swapping tyres around but if the winter gets bad you never know……….

  41. Well it’s nothing if it’s not consistent. So checked the rear hub on the old Chorus wheel and it’s smooth as butter. So ran the same 1 hr with rear wheel old style spokes and front wheel Shamal. Net distance is about half way between the two. Maybe I will stick the G+ on the old style spoke wheels as I have a pair in the garage that have a couple of splits from punctures but should be OK on the rollers and see what result that gives (bit of glue and internal patch – what can go wrong……). I can definitely feel the extra resistance with the old style wheel and I can’t spin them up to the same top speed as the Shamal.

  42. To the few, the merry few, who keep this site going, I’d like to wish you all a safe and happy holiday season. May Santa bring you all the bike-related goodies you wish for, may your calorie intake be reasonable, and may you all sneak a wee ride in somewhere. With all the multi-person jollity the season inevitably brings, a couple of hours of solitude on the bike will be good for everyone.

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  43. @wiscot

    May many more, the Keepers, contributors, keep this site on the rivet. Going out tomorrow for solitude to photograph start location at first seconds of dawn—total solitude. Then ride recon gravel route 3hrs—more solitude, serenity, sweat. Merry Christmas!

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  44. @wiscot

    To the few, the merry few, who keep this site going, I’d like to wish you all a safe and happy holiday season. May Santa bring you all the bike-related goodies you wish for, may your calorie intake be reasonable, and may you all sneak a wee ride in somewhere. With all the multi-person jollity the season inevitably brings, a couple of hours of solitude on the bike will be good for everyone.

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    Oh what fun it is to ride on two wheels every day!

    Merry Xmas Everybody

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A8KT365wlA

  45. @wiscot

    To the few, the merry few, who keep this site going, I’d like to wish you all a safe and happy holiday season. May Santa bring you all the bike-related goodies you wish for, may your calorie intake be reasonable, and may you all sneak a wee ride in somewhere. With all the multi-person jollity the season inevitably brings, a couple of hours of solitude on the bike will be good for everyone.

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    Hear hear!

    Merry tidings to you all, and may your steeds stay rubber-side-down on the wintery weather.

    (NB: I am still here, reading from afar, via RSS, because my phone is a piece of shit that can’t handle the full site)

  46. Merry Christmas fellow Velominati! Trust there’s a n+1 be it whole bike or, components, clothing, ride entry, subscriptions! (New bike day for both our boys!)

  47. This is an absolute shame. Last year’s jersey was fantastic: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aru-to-change-design-of-italian-champions-jersey-before-first-races/

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