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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 21:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2704&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Geof&lt;/a&gt; Cheers

And apologies David on the SWG-SGW I was not trying to be checky, really am slightly dislexic... can not spell at all and gramar foget aboutit.

&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2706&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Steampunk&lt;/a&gt; Good points but this is about the bike, again I am sorry I side tracked this lets get back to Team Kit - I loved the Lion Kings Zebra togs! Only he could wear them and get respect (except from Brett).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2704" rel="nofollow">@Geof</a> Cheers</p>
<p>And apologies David on the SWG-SGW I was not trying to be checky, really am slightly dislexic&#8230; can not spell at all and gramar foget aboutit.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-2706" rel="nofollow">@Steampunk</a> Good points but this is about the bike, again I am sorry I side tracked this lets get back to Team Kit &#8211; I loved the Lion Kings Zebra togs! Only he could wear them and get respect (except from Brett).</p>
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		<title>By: Steampunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steampunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 21:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2696&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@david&lt;/a&gt;

This is a tricky one.  In retrospect, my suggestion has an elitist ring to it that I don&#039;t like.  But I do like my water clear and not yellowed just as I like my beer &quot;hopping&quot; with flavor.  This is hardly worth the serious consideration—suffice to say I withdraw the rule (it has nothing to do with cycling and is only divisive)—but I thought craft and quality were matters of importance when it came to cycling, and therefore why not also, too, and as well, to the post-ride drink?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2696" rel="nofollow">@david</a></p>
<p>This is a tricky one.  In retrospect, my suggestion has an elitist ring to it that I don&#8217;t like.  But I do like my water clear and not yellowed just as I like my beer &#8220;hopping&#8221; with flavor.  This is hardly worth the serious consideration—suffice to say I withdraw the rule (it has nothing to do with cycling and is only divisive)—but I thought craft and quality were matters of importance when it came to cycling, and therefore why not also, too, and as well, to the post-ride drink?</p>
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		<title>By: Geof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 20:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2703&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Rob &lt;/a&gt;A++1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2703" rel="nofollow">@Rob </a>A++1</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 18:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-2665&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2665&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;david&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2664&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Rob&lt;/a&gt;
“Before Frank sees this” Heh. Funny. But, any beer with a cycling team named after it needs no apology or justification for drinking. Frankly, no beer at all needs any apology or justification for drinking, especially as an post-ride drink. High glycemic index carbs in liquid form. You can’t beat it.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-2671&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2671&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geof&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-2665&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2665&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;david &lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2664&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Rob&lt;/a&gt;Frankly, no beer at all needs any apology or justification for drinking, especially as an post-ride drink. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
OK, but the question we’re asking is whether “Coors Light” counts as “beer”…
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2696&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;david&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-2689&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2689&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steampunk&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;New Rule: You must drink beer of European derivation.  If you have to drink a North American beer, it must be from a micro-brewery.
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Yes, and we might call it the “Metrosexual Rule”.
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Good riposte SWG-David
But we better clear up this beer thing cause it’s going to get in the way of the other important stuff. My apologies to all,I kind of started this.

I hold no beer against any thirsty man but having raced around that industrial behemoth in Golden a couple of times (and the name for the race was a money thing cause the real name was Zinger first [I was in other races, not that one]), the brew is questionable at best. Without knowing your budget, which really, I guess, is not critical to the point but may have been at a formative stage in your maturing, when you were indoctrinated to beer and grew to like watery tasteless floor mopped up stuff. 

So can I suggest we just forget this whole line of posts and agree that you can drink what you want but if it has to be US factory made pantherpiss that you just do not mention it in these august pages.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-2665" rel="nofollow">david</a> :</strong><a href="#comment-2664" rel="nofollow">@Rob</a><br />
“Before Frank sees this” Heh. Funny. But, any beer with a cycling team named after it needs no apology or justification for drinking. Frankly, no beer at all needs any apology or justification for drinking, especially as an post-ride drink. High glycemic index carbs in liquid form. You can’t beat it.
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<strong><a href="#comment-2671" rel="nofollow">Geof</a> :</strong><br />
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<strong><a href="#comment-2665" rel="nofollow">david </a> :</strong><a href="#comment-2664" rel="nofollow">@Rob</a>Frankly, no beer at all needs any apology or justification for drinking, especially as an post-ride drink. </p></blockquote>
<p>OK, but the question we’re asking is whether “Coors Light” counts as “beer”…
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<strong><a href="#comment-2696" rel="nofollow">david</a> :</strong><br />
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<strong><a href="#comment-2689" rel="nofollow">Steampunk</a> :</strong>New Rule: You must drink beer of European derivation.  If you have to drink a North American beer, it must be from a micro-brewery.
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<p>Yes, and we might call it the “Metrosexual Rule”.
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<p>Good riposte SWG-David<br />
But we better clear up this beer thing cause it’s going to get in the way of the other important stuff. My apologies to all,I kind of started this.</p>
<p>I hold no beer against any thirsty man but having raced around that industrial behemoth in Golden a couple of times (and the name for the race was a money thing cause the real name was Zinger first [I was in other races, not that one]), the brew is questionable at best. Without knowing your budget, which really, I guess, is not critical to the point but may have been at a formative stage in your maturing, when you were indoctrinated to beer and grew to like watery tasteless floor mopped up stuff. </p>
<p>So can I suggest we just forget this whole line of posts and agree that you can drink what you want but if it has to be US factory made pantherpiss that you just do not mention it in these august pages.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 16:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it. &quot;Artisan&quot;, yes, good. 

I just quickly choose &quot;SGW&quot; to make a post or two, not thinking I&#039;d be so drawn to the Rules and around for a while. But that&#039;s my team&#039;s name. And, I don&#039;t want to pose as speaking for them. In fact, many of them are Rule Holist&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it. &#8220;Artisan&#8221;, yes, good. </p>
<p>I just quickly choose &#8220;SGW&#8221; to make a post or two, not thinking I&#8217;d be so drawn to the Rules and around for a while. But that&#8217;s my team&#8217;s name. And, I don&#8217;t want to pose as speaking for them. In fact, many of them are Rule Holist&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 16:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@david - can we call you sgw again, I preferred that. Anyway, you are absolutely correct. I didn&#039;t really get my point across, or perhaps I was crossing two streams of thought. You can strike that comment of mine you have quoted, for it is wrong and you are right, we are craftsmen, artisans if you want to be &quot;euro&quot;. 

I do however have a problem with banning people from wearing team kit, as this verges on us being snobs...oh. Anyway, by all means a rule that no-one is allowed to wear full team kit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@david &#8211; can we call you sgw again, I preferred that. Anyway, you are absolutely correct. I didn&#8217;t really get my point across, or perhaps I was crossing two streams of thought. You can strike that comment of mine you have quoted, for it is wrong and you are right, we are craftsmen, artisans if you want to be &#8220;euro&#8221;. </p>
<p>I do however have a problem with banning people from wearing team kit, as this verges on us being snobs&#8230;oh. Anyway, by all means a rule that no-one is allowed to wear full team kit.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 14:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-2689&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2689&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steampunk&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;New Rule: You must drink beer of European derivation.  If you have to drink a North American beer, it must be from a micro-brewery.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, and we might call it the &quot;Metrosexual Rule&quot;.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-2689" rel="nofollow">Steampunk</a> :</strong>New Rule: You must drink beer of European derivation.  If you have to drink a North American beer, it must be from a micro-brewery.
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<p>Yes, and we might call it the &#8220;Metrosexual Rule&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 14:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2682&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Jarvis&lt;/a&gt;
I&#039;m under a self-imposed gag order on the kit thing. But, I find this troubling, &quot;we are ultimately fans&quot;.  I hope not. Ultimately, the Velominati should be practitioners, even craftsmen, if you will. The practice, the art, is informed and enhanced by carefully studying, admiring, and simply enjoying professional racing, much like a carpenter&#039;s work may be informed and enhanced by studying, admiring, and enjoying the works of master furniture makers.  But the practitioner must be more than a fan of antique furniture who knows a lot about it and enjoys studying it, but never builds anything himself. What that craft is exactly, I&#039;m not sure. I&#039;m working under the hypothesis that the craft is not simply racing. At any rate, if the Velominati are just a fan club, akin to a posse of rabid (European) football fans who know all the player&#039;s stats, wear the jerseys of their favorite clubs, and kick around a soccer ball now and again, then I&#039;m out the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2682" rel="nofollow">@Jarvis</a><br />
I&#8217;m under a self-imposed gag order on the kit thing. But, I find this troubling, &#8220;we are ultimately fans&#8221;.  I hope not. Ultimately, the Velominati should be practitioners, even craftsmen, if you will. The practice, the art, is informed and enhanced by carefully studying, admiring, and simply enjoying professional racing, much like a carpenter&#8217;s work may be informed and enhanced by studying, admiring, and enjoying the works of master furniture makers.  But the practitioner must be more than a fan of antique furniture who knows a lot about it and enjoys studying it, but never builds anything himself. What that craft is exactly, I&#8217;m not sure. I&#8217;m working under the hypothesis that the craft is not simply racing. At any rate, if the Velominati are just a fan club, akin to a posse of rabid (European) football fans who know all the player&#8217;s stats, wear the jerseys of their favorite clubs, and kick around a soccer ball now and again, then I&#8217;m out the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Steampunk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 11:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Rule: You must drink beer of European derivation.  If you have to drink a North American beer, it must be from a micro-brewery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Rule: You must drink beer of European derivation.  If you have to drink a North American beer, it must be from a micro-brewery.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 09:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@david
yes, you&#039;re fucking nuts, because you&#039;re hardcore cognoscenti. And then you go and ruin the hardcore image by &#039;fessing to drinking Coors Light...

As for wearing Team Kit (re-checks Rule #17), as I&#039;ve said before, we are ultimately fans (apart from the Cognoscenti who are fanatics) and so wearing of team kit is acceptable but with two caveats: 1) you don&#039;t wear full team kit 2) you don&#039;t wear kit from more than one team on the the same ride. 

Not matching a jersey with a bike is not an issue, for practical purposes at least. Kit wears out and is cheaper than a frame to replace. Not all riders ride for a club/team, so are they only allowed to wear plain kit? No, this will alienate people (freds?) and may put them off joining in our great sport. Let them enjoy themselves, but within certain rules. But you can&#039;t expect people to have to buy a new frame if they want to show their support for a team (I expect an argument back on this point).

There should also be a rule for those who are members of a club/team. You must never wear any kit other than the club/team to which you belong. You have chosen to join that club/team for a reason, therefore you must represent them when out on the bike.

The important thing is how kit is worn. It must never clash with another item of kit, it must look good, It must fit correctly: the jersey must &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; be pulled down to cover the arse. If you have saggy pockets, you must never load them so that they distort the shape of the top - you will have to go hungry and risk a puncture. Either that or get a new top with better pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@david<br />
yes, you&#8217;re fucking nuts, because you&#8217;re hardcore cognoscenti. And then you go and ruin the hardcore image by &#8216;fessing to drinking Coors Light&#8230;</p>
<p>As for wearing Team Kit (re-checks Rule #17), as I&#8217;ve said before, we are ultimately fans (apart from the Cognoscenti who are fanatics) and so wearing of team kit is acceptable but with two caveats: 1) you don&#8217;t wear full team kit 2) you don&#8217;t wear kit from more than one team on the the same ride. </p>
<p>Not matching a jersey with a bike is not an issue, for practical purposes at least. Kit wears out and is cheaper than a frame to replace. Not all riders ride for a club/team, so are they only allowed to wear plain kit? No, this will alienate people (freds?) and may put them off joining in our great sport. Let them enjoy themselves, but within certain rules. But you can&#8217;t expect people to have to buy a new frame if they want to show their support for a team (I expect an argument back on this point).</p>
<p>There should also be a rule for those who are members of a club/team. You must never wear any kit other than the club/team to which you belong. You have chosen to join that club/team for a reason, therefore you must represent them when out on the bike.</p>
<p>The important thing is how kit is worn. It must never clash with another item of kit, it must look good, It must fit correctly: the jersey must <em>never</em> be pulled down to cover the arse. If you have saggy pockets, you must never load them so that they distort the shape of the top &#8211; you will have to go hungry and risk a puncture. Either that or get a new top with better pockets.</p>
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