• Brett commented on the post, Le Bouclier Jaune 6 days, 5 hours ago · 

    Where’s the old V community, the one with a sense of humour?




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  • Brett wrote a new post, Le Bouclier Jaune 6 days, 15 hours ago · 

    Geraint Thomas is the rightful winner of the 2017 Tour de France. In a travesty of epic proportions not seen at a Tour since the early 2000s, the yellow jersey he won in the opening time trial proved to be grossly […]




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    • It is amazing how a $15k Pinarello can consistently fail each time there is racing.




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    • “Boring”? What race are you watching???




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    • Hear, Hear!




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    • What @Dan Mc Cormack said. Fantastic Tour this year.




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    • @Dan McCormack

      So much this. Other than a couple of Kittel days (where even then, the actual finishes have had drama) this has been a cracking tour. The reinvention of AG2R as an actual team who can do actual GC team stuff especially has been a joy




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    • @Dan McCormack

      i don’t think the race is boring, either, but i think the rest of these points are pretty legit. between the Sagan debacle, and this Froome mechanical nonsense, both the ASO and UCI have pretty well screwed the pooch this July. at least they reversed the late feed penaties last week.




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    • And Hinault (and others) never controlled things to his favour?




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    • @Teocalli

      Hinault and Armstrong controlled things through physical intimidation. they and their respective teams were strong enough to impose their will. while this clearly applies to Sky, in terms of team strength, my perception of this situation is that Froome has gone a little overboard with the mechanicals, etc, described. it seems to me like they have the tacit approval of the race directors, also. maybe i’m wrong, but other viewers seem to share my perspective.




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    • I’m not sure what you’re thinking of. There was the one when Aru attacked….and…?

      Oh, the one where he broke a spoke and had to stop while the 2nd strongest team in the race attacked hard, leaving the yellow jersey and his team to V back up to the lead group.

      If you just hate Chris Froome write an article saying that, but don’t make out like he’s has some massive advantage for mysterious reasons this race as it isn’t true.

      And also don’t make out like it’s been boring; it hasn’t. It’s still not a done deal.

      Tell Romain Bardet he’s in a boring race, I think he’d punch you in the face.




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    • I’m confused as shit here.

      It was the UCI that made the Peloton go up to Aru and tell him to back off after going under Froome’s arm when he had a mechanical? Wow, I’ve thought Cookson has been a bad President, but now……

      But hang on, when Froom’s spoke broke and the challengers *didn’t* wait for him was the UCI asleep after a bottle or two of red, so poor old Froomy had to chase back? I bet he had words with Cookson, or at least told him to stay awake to protect him in the future. Jeez….

      I guess Froome was simply protecting his protectors when he said “no, the race was on, it was for me to catch the leaders not for them to wait”. Clever guy!




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    • This is the bike race I’ve been watching. Brett, you should check it out.




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    • Just fueling the fire. So now we revere The Prophet for his dominance but at the time he was hated (especially by the French) for the same reasons. Anyone spot the irony here………




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    • Where’s the old V community, the one with a sense of humour?




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    • The most amusing accusation (if that is the right word) was that Froome didn’t back off and wait for Porte/Martin after the Porte crash. Who the heck is going to look behind on bends like that at those speeds! Plus they were round the next bend anyway in a split second not even considering how he was going to cruise up in front of everyone and slow them down!




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    • @Brett

      It’s just the constant Froome bashing and ‘The Tour is boring’ stuff is so predictable it’s hard to find one’s humour.

      These points are replayed ad nauseam in every comments section of every cycling website and forum on a daily basis.




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    • Come on chaps, admit it: it’s the grey areas that make cycling what it is. Who wants ‘rules’ in ‘black and white’ that need to be ‘followed’?

      Well, except for the obvious; no engines in bikes, and a note from your mum for any dodgy substance imbibed.

      If it had been a different rider raising their arm for a mechanical – oooh, I don’t know, one who has never won the Tour, doesn’t have waggly elbows, and isn’t sponsored by a monolithic media corporation – the reaction would have been very different.

      People are fed up with Sky, and fed up with Froome winning – just like people got fed up with Merckx winning back in the day. That’s the issue. All the gripes boil down to that.

      Keep the ‘unwritten rules’. Hell, invent a few more. And leave it up to the riders as to whether they obey or not.

      It’s all part of the fun.




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    • This boring tour never recovered from the crummy rain soaked first stage… Hah. Boring boring boring… And who is this cat they call Jagger and what’s he doing crashing the party after winning a stage racing single speed in his 53×11? Yahhnnn… And a team full of these nasty brown and blue kits… seriously, brown bibs… what the?? riding up front when there’s no racing going on? Nairo’s so bored he’s fallen off the back sleeping. Dan Martin? He couldn’t liven up a race even if he were shooting laser beams from his eyes at others as he attacked… I mean seriously, the only real action in this entire race was this time one dude had a mechanical of sorts. And that dude and his teammate ? Nothing interesting there. Hah… boring boring boring… And I’ve not missed a single stage. So I know ! Also, the scenery on big screen high def ? Yea, it sucks too.

      Cheers All




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    • The Giro’s been the better race for as long as I’ve been alive.

      There’s been drama in this tour but it’s not from the fucking racing, it’s been from who crashed out, or missed the time cutwhich is the opposite of a good race. Who wants to watch a break with 4 minutes, get reeled in by tower of Sky twats on the front, for Froome to spider-hump a tennis ball to minimise losses in the finale. It is what it is, which is really, really fucking boring. At least Lance looked good on a bike and would occasionally spice up bike races out of spite.

      At least the Vuelta looks like being a banger again this year…




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    • @Brett

      you forgot the satire tag that you need to put on things these days.




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    • @minion

      Things were so much better when everyone was EPO’d up to their eyeballs.




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    • @Rick

      I’m stunned how many “mechanicals” these guys get when their bike is virtually rebuilt after each stage. I put my bikes in after about 5,000km for a service, the pro’s can’t ride a 220km stage without equipment failure. Massive kudos to Rigoberto Uran who got a stage win with two gears, but I can’t recall a Tour with as many bike failures.




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    • So bummed about Aru’s difficulties yesterday. I was hoping he might actually challenge for the win. Now they are all just racing for second.




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    • @tinman

      I suspect if we could put sustained 400 watts plus through ours with bursts of 1,000 watts they may not be quite so reliable………




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    • @Teocalli

      …and that’s why I break so much stuff on my bikes!




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    • @RobSandy

      ooo you brute! Probably why I don’t though.




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    • @Brett

      It’s a pretty dangerous game to play; This is hurting so I’ll stick my arm up and they’ll ride slowly. And it hasn’t worked out too well so far. He came close to losing out big time after AG2R put the hammer down (and I don’t recall anyone at Sky suggesting that that attack was a breach of the unwritten rules).

      Froome may not be the most engaging personality in the race but he’s sucking up everything they’re throwing at him and with the exception of newspaper boy zig zagging up the runway he’s taken it all and ultimately extended his lead.




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    • I don’t mind the Tour, though I wish I didn’t have to watch it on NBC. It’s brutally sunny and hot every damn day during my bike commute, so I’ll gladly watch something to take my mind off the weather.

      I love the AG2R kit, I do not love the UAE kit.




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    • The one funny thing about the Tour is how it gets people who don’t ride and don’t follow pro cycling to watch. For three weeks, cycling is cool to more people. Then it goes back to…”Get the fuck off MY roads. A-hole in spandex.”

      Speaking of a-holes, what is up with the proliferation of boutique kit designers? Since when did road cycling become hip? When I’m three hours from home and have half a bottle of water left, the last thing I’m thinking about is how many stripes my socks have and how many ice cream cones are on my jersey.




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    • @Ron

      I have noticed more designer kits on the road recently as well. I tend to give the wearers ample space and try to pass them as soon as safely possible.




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    • @Rick

      They are a bit like Chelsea Tractors…….




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    • @Teocalli

      I haven’t been riding much recently but I do like to wear Rapha whilst driving my Land Rover.




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    • The Giro is always the best Grand Tour but as for this TdF, two words have kept me totally involved and intrigued (at least in the mountains): Dan “FUCKING” Martin—-okay … three words but I did not want anyone confused with Tony Martin.




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    • @ChrisO

      Last weekend I passed someone in a mainly white one piece. Two main issues 1) I passed him 2) He was, shall we say, not at climbing weight.

      It was a relief to catch an pass him quickly as the effect from behind was not good at all. It rather emphasised “the wobble”

      Lessons 1) Don’t wear a once piece unless you are bat fast 2) Definitely don’t wear one if you are not at climbing weight 3) racing only.




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    • @Teocalli

      lol.. i wear black for good reason!




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    • @chris

      Maybe a Lexicon entry “Shrink Wrapped Potato” – someone if inappropriate stature wearing a skin suit?

      Any better definitions?




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    • Ahh though that comes up as shrink wrapped Pozzato under the definition of Potato…….




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    • Maybe Shrink Wrapped Pasta – has that suitable lumpy effect……..




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    • @Teocalli

      Bratwurst in in a Chipolata skin?

      Or

      Shrink Wrapped Non-Specific Mechanically Recovered Meat Product

      as that’s probably the filling of the pies these guys have been eating?




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    • @Randy C

      @Brett – now *that* is how you write a funny article dissing the tour!




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    • @Teocalli

      I raced on Tuesday and there was a guy in the bunch whose bibs had a wide strip of white across the cracktal region. In a masterstroke of unintentional irony they also had a sponsor across that area boasting ‘Since 1982’.

      After the race I asked him if he’d had the bibs since 1982 as they were extremely see through.




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    • And while we’re on kit and behaviour-based Rules infractions, has any of the UK based Velominati (who might watch highlights of the Tour on ITV4) developed the same violent physical reaction when seeing the Watchfinders ‘cyclist’?

      For those lucky enough to have not seen these adverts they are clearly aimed at people who ride a bike and might be in the market for a flash watch, and feature a flabby, bearded, hairy legged dude riding very slowly along a country road on his own (couldn’t they get someone to ride quickly then slow it down?), before stopping to turn his bike upside down.

      I hate it.




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    • @RobSandy

      I hate it too. I refer to it as the “second hand watch pawn shop” rather than their preferred “The Pre-Owned Watch Specialist”, it’s all bollocks.




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    • What a load of bollocks. I’m undecided about which is worse: this article, or the one you wrote a few months ago dismissing Gilbert’s domination of De Ronde this year. If you’re not enjoying it, maybe you just don’t really like the sport.




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    • @Teocalli

      The whole point of wearing a one-piece skin suit is that it’s for racing only. It’s part of the psychology of racing (in my case TTs). You trained wearing jersey and shorts, but you knew that once the skinsuit had been wriggled into, it was racing time. Wearing one to cruise around in? Unacceptable. It’s like people who use reo bars and go at 14 mph or ride a TT bike with aero helmet and I pass them doing 18 pmh. Maybe they’ve just done a massive effort and are between reps – or maybe not!




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    • @Teocalli

      Shrink-wrapped spam?




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    • I might have actually learned something this year without having to become a pro cyclist myself to really understand the unwritten rules.

      Its not “don’t attack the yellow when he has a mechanical” — its “don’t attack the yellow BECAUSE YOU SEE he has a mechanical.”

      So, when AG2R is nailing it on the front, they already HAVE attacked, so they can continue their attack and as we saw, not only did they not slow down, but Froome and co had quite an effort to get back, and then no one said boo about it afterward.

      In comparison, Aru is sucking Froome’s wheel like its full of EPO, and then the very second Froome signals a mechanical Aru attacks. Coincidence? The jury of actual racers, who are all that matter, thought not.

      Its their rule, not mine, but I really see the difference now.




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    • @RobSandy

      @Buck Rogers

      These two posts sum it up for me. As I love to cheer for the underdog, I loved watching AG2R on the front, and Bardet making a last ditch effort to get some time before the TT. And despite him being outclassed on the major climbs, Dan’s never say die attitude to attack makes for great racing. That he hasn’t thrown in the towel despite losing time being swept into a rock face by a crashing Porte on stage 9 just further adds to his cachet in my books.




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    • @Joe Bloggs

      After getting over the fact of turning the bike upside down and his Rule #33 violation I’m pretty sure he also puts the QR skewer on the wrong side.



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    • @wiscot

      @Frank how about it Shrink Wrapped Spam (SWS) – wearing a onesie when a) not racing b) of inappropriate stature (too fat to climb).




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    • @wiscot

      On refection this guy may have been doing a maximum effort when I passed him! Though to be fair 1) he was out there 2) he was going faster than everyone on a couch.




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    • @Hank

      Correct. If the race is on then it’s tough luck.




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    • @Brett

      Dude, it seems like it is dead and gone.

      Might have something to do with the fact that The Keepers only have shown up once every few months for the last two years.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Sadly, you’re not wrong, Buck.




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    • @Teocalli

      Oh, don’t get me wrong, I do a bunch of charity rides during the year and while rule breakers abound, I tip my casquette to each and every one of them for NOT being on the couch and putting in the effort.

      This does not excuse or exempt the guy who rode the Riveredge ride this year with a well-equipped group: his bike was filthy. And not in the “I’ve just ridden Paris-Roubaix” way, but you could tell he just didn’t clean it – and it was a nice carbon Trek. Shameful.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      I’ve been pretty absent as well but had to agree with Brett’s frustration at the race, especially if you’re sitting up till 2 am to watch it, and stumbling through work the next day. I liked Froome’s win from last year, because he attacked and took the race to the field. This year, he’s hid behind his team, minimised losses when others have attacked, and been an inert presence at the race. The tour has always been a race teams win by strangulation, which doesn’t always make it an appealing race to watch, and I identified with the frustration/venting in Brett’s article.

      @RobSandy

      Jiffy bags, corticosteroids, TUEs, pulling staff from the UK women’s cycling team to transport “medication”, lost laptops, anti-doping investigations, parliamentary hearings, dodgy Rabobank doctors. Yeah sure.

      The return of Columbians to the peloton (whose previous generation of riders were swept out of the sport by the first wave of epo) and the French, in whose home country as far as I understand it is a felony to dope, are to me signs that the peloton is cleaner than it has been for a very long time. My point was that Lance had the capacity to animate races that Froome, this year at least, has lacked.




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    • the rise of social media these last few years have pretty much sucked the idea of sarcasm and satire from online communication. now that everyone has access to it, a certain degradation of perception across the board is inevitable.

      i just became a member of the community last year. i like it just fine as is, though i do wish there was more writing. the archive has some GREAT pieces, but things evolve, ya know? cetainly, the next evolution is already happening while we’re discussing this one.




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    • @ChrisO

      Well I’m planning on having way more free time from the New Year so I’d be up for helping.




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    • @Cary

      I’d love to do more articles, but I suffer from the same issue as The Keepers and everyone else: finding the time. Now that this situation has been brought up, I’ll try harder to find time. I know there are two or three with Gianni that haven’t seen the light of day. A couple were lightweight, but still worthy I think.




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    • @wiscot

      that would be great. as i said, i like it just fine as is. i love bikes, i’ve spent my life on one, and even made my living on one. The Rules, though funny, also have a lot of common sense and wisdom. the book brought me here, the people keep me here.




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    • @Cary

      Oh, I completely agree. The Keepers and the site do not owe me anything.

      They have never charged me a dime and have given freely over the years.

      It is just sad to me to see it dying.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Guys. It’s up to us the keep the site alive. I’ve been coming here for years and many have come and gone, but there’s a hardcore group of us who stick around. I can’t tell you how much I’d miss it as there is no other place like it and in the rest of my life there’s nothing like it where I/we can josh, opine, post things that have little to no relevance to the thread in question and reveal a little about our non-cycling lives. I miss Dr. C, Strathlubnaig, the Scots boys, Gianni, even Oli isn’t here much which is a shame.

      Clearly Frank is still active as the new book attests, but not so much on a day-to-day basis. He too, has a life.

      Let’s keep the wheels turning fellas.




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    • @wiscot +1

      @all Nipple lube




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    • @Harminator

      Ahhh, Nipple lube! Has anyone heard from JiPM over the last few years?

      I remember him getting married (we, as the site, got together and sent him and his bride some champagne) but I have not heard from him since.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      I have not heard from JiPM but I’m happy to start a rumor that he’s breeding and blimping.




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    • @Harminator

      Ha! Touché!




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    • Bring on @Calmante

      Missing @itburns – R.I.P but love it when pops up old articles!




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    • @ShotokanCyclist

      We have to have a reason to make fun of Froomie?




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    • @TheVid

      If only it was truly mano-a-mano. Then the TdF would be a fun GC race to watch/follow. Bring on the Vuelta!




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    • Pali65 replied 3 days ago

      What annoys me the most is the gadgetry dependency and the “technology/machinery” attitude of the best teams. Though I understand it is still legs, heart and lungs which win the races but I am missing that ability to ride based on instincts and feelings.

      If I would be the emperor of this sector of galaxy, I would order the following (at least for testing for 2-3 years):

      • no wattmeters
      • no team radio
      • simple computers only as per Rule #74
      • salary cap for teams and draft system based on results

      Watching the biggest stars of the peloton hasty fiddling with the computer as the very first thing after bike change is a very sad picture indeed. In 2017 we saw hardly any passion, just cold calculation based on 21st century technology. It may be that Sky with that strength would still be winning but we as fans are not interested into this type of pre-calculated victory. I believe that the last evolution is really killing the spirit of racing.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Dan FUCKING Martin is a hardman. Did anybody see the video of his swan removing the bike from him after he killed it up the final climb? He limped to the buss bent over because his back was still hurting that bad two weeks after Porte took him out.




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    • @Brett

      You know what has happened to Velominati? No more COTHO. The villain was vanquished and no one stepped up to replace him.

      You were never funny. Just grumpy. Except that you came up with COTHO. That was a pretty good name.

      But in the interests of Velominati, surely Bling Matthews can cop some shit? Even though he is good and getting a lot better.

      @minion

      Minion made me laugh sometimes, but only because he followed his missus from NZ to live in Canberra. Who does that? What a loser.

      @ChrisO

      OK, you asked for it. Been a few years since I called you a cunt. Sorry cunt.

      @Buck Rogers

      Now you can complain about the rudeness of the above. And slide some reference in about being a war hero. Then cry.

      Does that help?




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    • And by the way, the Stages podcast that Lance did. Contained a lot of inane shit where they were trying to educate the uninformed, but if you got past that it had some good bits. His rant today about Thomas de Gent not being awarded the combativity prize was very good.

      The fall from grace has almost turned him into a half decent commentator.




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    • @Marcus

      i’ve enjoyed the podcast. i’ve never really been able to dislike Lance, though. the sniveling cunts that took him down, though, Lemond excepted, i’ve found very easy to dislike.




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    • @chuckp

      No reason at at all is required – absolutely make fun of the lightbulb humping spider (that was the phrase, wasn’t it?). But for me the article came over as being bitter, not an amusing dig. Sorry Brett.




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    • chris replied 2 days ago

      @Marcus

      It’s hard to say whether your absence has been a beneficial or detrimental to Velominati. On the one hand you’re living validation of the need for most of the rules; on the other, does anyone need a whingeing aussie triathlete cluttering the place up?

      You would’ve probably got away with it if you were funny.




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    • Ccos replied 2 days ago

      @Marcus

      Every creative outlet has its ebbs and flows (not sure which this would be, ebb or flow wise). One of my favorite sites, Flandriacafe written by a teammate, is now dead (the site not the teammate) and googling the name takes you to a website about a cafe named Fandria ffs. I blame the RAS since that was his last post. Maybe all the rain got into his brain or it was all the boiled food, one or the other.

      Anywho, hopefully the collective writer’s block hasn’t proved fatal here. I always like Brett’s musings. Every good peloton has to have a grumpy old man.




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    • @wiscot

      I’m still here

      Just short of time….




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    • I just don’t understand all of the negative reactions about @Brett‘s article. I thoroughly enjoyed his rant, it made me laugh. I also had to nod in agreement, so I guess that makes me a grumpy bastard, too.




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    • @the Engine

      Good to know! Lovely Scottish summer weather there! How’s the missus?




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    • You know, for all the discussion on boring boring boring Froome and the Sky Train win again… just a quick spin thru the Super Prestige picks and I’m willing to speculate that Froome was not in the majority of picks as the dude to be standing on top of podium in yellow after 21 stages. Is it maybe that folks just didn’t want to pick the Sky Fortress on principal or was it that many of us in fact figured this was year for them to be beat ? Anywho, by this highly scientific measure, the tour and outcome were a surprise ! fwiw…




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    • @Randy C

      has there been a stronger team in grand tour history than Sky 2017? they lost Thomas early, and we barely noticed.




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    • @chris

      Being characterised as a triathlete makes me remember the story of Phillippe the French fighter pilot. Shot down 8 German fighters in WWI. But is he remembered as “Henri the French Fighter Pilot”? Non. All because he sucked one cock.

      I am guessing you are a pasty-faced man-boobed Englishman?




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    • @Cary

      Oh hell yes! Tour 1980. Raleigh won 10 stages with Raas stage1a, Lubberding 3, Raas 7b, Oosterbosch 8, Raas, 9, Priem 10, Zoetemelk, 11 & 20, Knetemann 12 and Peeters 14. Zoetemelk won overall and TI Raleigh got the Team Prize.

      In the 1984 Tour Renault Elf also won 10 stages: Madiot stage 2, the TTT, Fignon 7, 16, 18, 20, 22, Jules 8, Poisson 12, Mentheour 13. They held the yellow jersey for 19 of 23 stages (Barteau and Fignon) and won the overall with Fignon.

      These were true teams where there was depth and a swashbuckling attitude that is sorely absent today. In comparison, Sky don’t come close in any of the five Tours they’ve won.




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    • @MangoDave

      Same here. It made me remember another of @Brett‘s articles – about clearing your nostrils. One of his best.




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    • @Marcus

      Funken hell, what rocks have we kicked that you’ve crawled out from under.

      I do take it as a personal point of pride that Marcus once claimed I was “too stupid to insult”. For a 7 fingered Australian triathlete to describe a New Zealander that way is akin to Ali letting Forman (I think) punch himself out on Ali’s torso before pummelling him in the later rounds.

      This is starting to feel like something of a reunion of sorts, though probably more carry on columbus than the blues brothers.




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    • wiscot replied 1 day ago

      @minion

      More like Carry on up the Antipodes (for British readers of a certain age . . .)




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    • wiscot replied 1 day ago

      @Marcus

      Sounds like a worthy topic for an article if you ask me. If he was an aviator, I’m sure you could work in a Sky connection somewhere . . .




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    • @Marcus

      I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. Are you arguing in mitigation that there was only one triathlon or saying that you want to be remembered for your love of cock?

      You’re story does remind me of one of the lads on our school rugby tour that passed through Singapore; returning to the hotel one night he began to regal us with tales of a fine time with a stunning local lady. Mid way through he stopped as he had expected admiration and awe rather than tears of stifled laughter. The look of horror on his face was priceless when he was told that we’d just been informed by three of the other lads who got back somewhat earlier that there were no ladies in that particular establishment.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      once again bringing my knack to state the obvious, but I think cycling goes up and down — this website surely will recover from whatever might be effecting it. It may simply be a belief that things are down here. I for one have been busy with working on my house and yard ever since April race — allowing myself to suffer 8 to 12 hrs a day on projects and lawn care. The plan is to start back to cycling — and start thinking about cycling again — and racing. Anyway, I appreciate your post and feel all will work itself out




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    • It did seem strange to sit out the entire VSP this season.




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    • Holy Shiet, it is old home week on the V. My Marcus alarm went off and I knew I better check in.

      To make a long story very short, I turned in my Keepers bunker keys six months ago. I didn’t turn them in as much as threw them in a boggy hole and walked away. So it is just Brett and Frank at the helm so send all guest articles and cogals directly to Frank.

      I’m not going to air my dirty V laundry here in public. If ever on Maui look me up for pints and we can discuss. I now roam amongst the hallowed ranks of the greater V, haunting the bikes pages because I will always love the bike. Cheers to all, Gianni




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    • @Gianni

      Does this mean you’ve gone full EPMS? or you’ve traded in the the Fiziks for some SPD sandals?

      Sorry to hear you’ve felt the need walk away, your posts are missed.




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    • @wiscot

      @Teocalli

      I’m also likely to have more time on my hands from September as I’m doing a reverse @ChrisO and moving to the desert sans famile. I’d like to think that most of that time will be spent Training Properly but there has to be recovery time too.




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  • VSP PICKS:

    1. Aru
    2. Froome
    3. Quintana
    4. Porte
    5. Bardet



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  • VSP PICKS (2nd Rest Day Swaps):

    1. Cuntana
    2. Nibs
    3. Pinot Gris
    4. Landa The Free
    5. Kruiser



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  • @dancollins

    Shit, that’s fucked up. I’ll get onto it (ie get Frank onto it).




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  • WTF? Who starts a Grand Tour on a fucking Friday?!




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  • VSP PICKS:

    1. Don’t Dream It’s Over
    2. Hungry Like The Wolf
    3. Bad Shit
    4. Killer Kowalski
    5. Henry Mancini Albasini



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  • VSP PICKS:

    1. AVDB
    2. ELB
    3. AVV
    4. PFP
    5. I met her Parents



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  • As long as no cunt picks their bike up at the finish…

    VSP PICKS:

    1. One more Tom with feeling
    2. Sagwagon
    3. 3bar Stybar
    4. Matty
    5. GVA



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  • VSP PICKS:

    1. One more Tom with feeling
    2. S



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  • Brett commented on the post, Monumental Disrespect 3 months, 3 weeks ago · 

    Geez, ya go away for a couple of months and the whole place loses its sense of humour.




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  • Brett commented on the post, Monumental Disrespect 3 months, 3 weeks ago · 

    @Teocalli

    I actually checked the UCI rules… this shit is allowed. But so were Spinacis, so there’s hope yet.




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  • Now I’ve never won any bike race of any significance, therefore have never had to think about an appropriate finish line salute. If I was a professional bicycle racer with a show of winning a major race however, I […]




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    • Not sure it was clothing that brought down Sagan. Seemed to be him riding over a barrier foot if the slow motion video he posted is accurate…




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    • it’s not a bike – it’s a specialized




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    • Terrible. What was he thinking? Even Specialized would be pissed off as the angle effectively hid their brand – would have half respected it if he was getting a sling from them for making a big deal of the marque.

      Right up there with Sastre pulling the dummy out at Ax 3 Domaines. Contrast that with Museeuw’s knee point at Roubaix. That move had some class as it meant something. Gilbert was just grandstanding.

      And it was definitely the jacket. Which God put there because Sagan stayed too long in the gutter.




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    • Brett speaks the truth. I quietly hoped that the Keepers would pass judgement on this. After such a great escape and legendary win, it was truly besmirched.




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    • @Phillip Mercer

      The slo-mo he posted shows clearly that he snagged the shirt, then his front wheel hits the barrier legs as the snag pulls his bars to his left.




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    • Personally, I loved the Rule #95 violation. Go, Phil!




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    • It was a little cringe worthy, even for a natural borne contrarian such as me. My second thought was, what will the Keepers have to say, lol. My third was along the lines of getting used to it – I don’t think the young care so much for subtlety, and like big gestures in general. It’s just the way of things.

      Bit unfair to say he took it only because of the fate of the riders behind him. He rode an awesome race. They gave him far too much space and left it far too long to close it. Would they have worked together well enough to close him out? Probably/Maybe. He could only do what he could do, and to lose so little ground in the last 25, even with a small group working very well together behind him, should some massive heart. On the Sagan thing, that sucked, but he was taking risks in that section, trying to keep the gas down, because he knew how import it was to chase hard at that moment.




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    • It will get like skiing where as soon as they finish a rep comes out with a different set of skis (i.e. a different bike) for the camera, being the ones the manufacturer want the public to buy rather than the ones the skier raced on.




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    • The 2 things I thought when I saw the finish:

      1. Rule #95 (I guessed it correctly, since I did not have the Rules stand by)

      2. This will make for a great article on Velominati!

      @Teocalli: you know I am a ski-fan so I do not hope that cycling will go that way. I want to see what skis the pros use when they race, not the ones that need to be sold. Often, the labels on the race skis (which for speed disciplines are longer than 2m) are not visible next to their faces. And this again proves my point made in a previous article how important it is not to have black/dark grey decals on black frames!




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    • This is yet another example of why the argument that ‘the pros do it so it shouldn’t be against the rules (i.e. saddlebags, frame pumps)’ is bollocks.

      Phil Gil is up there with the greats as a potential ‘rule-maker’, but pulling shit like that just shows why we can’t trust any pro to act with the decorum the sport deserves.




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    • Don’t be too hard on him, Brett. He’s a Walloon after all. I was happy enough to see that he didn’t pair the Belgian jersey with his white shorts.

      Boonen apparently forgot there were cobbles on the Taaienberg its been so long since he’s actually ridden on them.

      As for Sagan, he should know where to ride in order to avoid collisions with inanimate fucking objects. For the record, anonymous sources inform me that it was Terpstra’s jacket, strategically placed to disrupt Sagan’s chase and clear the way another malodorous podium for him.




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    • Anyone think for a second that when getting chased by GvA and Sagan working together that he was not going to get caught ? Oh, he was gonna get caught all right. And then ! Boom, on the deck. And GvA still takes a 2nd. What a super stud and out sprinting a wheel sucker too. Very cool. Walking across the line with the bike over the head ? I don’t know. Not really on my radar. Some athletes and fans love fancy dances in the end zone after a football score too. Whatev… I enjoyed the race and if that’s what the cat wants to do when he crosses the line well good for him. He earned it. That was one helluva powerful long range attack.




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    • I think you are being a bit hard on Terpstra. He wasn’t going to help chase down his team leader was he? Come on, let’s have some common sense here.

      On the amusing side where are all the “fans” saying Gilbert should be disqualified for not riding his bike across the line aka Froome running? Oh yes, I forgot, those “fans” only watch the TdF…….




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    • @Teocalli

      I actually checked the UCI rules… this shit is allowed. But so were Spinacis, so there’s hope yet.




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    • @Brett

      Yes quite. Hence my “fans” – the quotes trying to imply that they were folk who were spouting from their rear end over Froome last TdF…..can you imagine a rule like Netball or maybe Golf where if you suffer a mechanical/crash you have to put down a marker or could not take more than 2 paces from the incident……..




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    • On the 1909 TdF, the overall winner François Faber broke his chain and ran the last kilometre to the finish line of the Lyon stage. That’s what the Froomy should have done on the Ventoux.

      1




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    • @Teocalli

      Agreed. Terpstra was doing what he should have been doing – sitting in. It wasn’t his job to help the chase. At one point he was going to the front and I thought “WTF? Get back to third wheel and sit in.”

      Personally, I’m more offended by Gilzilla going bareheaded on the podium – then Terpstra joins him in going capless. Again, WTF? Usually EQS set the standard for looking good on the podium.




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    • @wiscot

      Apparently, Terpstra rode over Sagan’s glasses after the crash and smashed them to pieces. I am sure it was a complete accident…..




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    • @Rick

      Ha Ha! I did notice that he left them in the road after he got up and one of the following cars was nicely lined up on them………




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    • @Oli

      I’m with you on this one. Sometimes rules can/need to be broken. This was one of those times. Phil-Gil is f**kin g Flemish. Won wearing the Belgian national champion kit. He can do whatever the f**k he wants. And it’s not like it was an NFL end zone dance for a meaningless touchdown.




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    • @chuckp

      Yeah hes actually not Flemish.




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    • He’s one five of the seven one day races that truly matter* at least once and is talking about ticking the other two (Roubaix and Sanremo) off the list before hanging up the wheels. He’s a Waloon the Flemish love. He’s earned the right to cross the line however he damn well likes.

      *Five Monuments + Worlds + his own Nationals, which should matter to any rider.




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    • @livingminimal

      You’re right. My bad. But he is f**king Belgian!




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    • @Rick

      A bit surprising moment, I would be afraid to get a flat tyre…




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    • I love Sagz, but props to Terpstra. Word.




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    • As I watched the finish of the race my first thought was what a shitstorm Gilbert’s bike lift would cause on Velominati.




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    • @Harminator

      Exactly, want to win a cobbled classic? Stop fucking about in the gutter & ride on the cobbles!




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    • @Rich

      gotta agree with this. Gilbert rode a race for the ages. as far as the Sagan/GVA crash, that’s racing. everybody takes the same chances when they line up on Sunday morning, and no less than Eddy Merckx said so. Chapeau, Philippe Gilbert!




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    • @Cary

      +1

      Agreed. Brett might have been a bit tired with the Kiwi timezone effects but he should have finished at “Now I’ve never won any bike race of any significance,”




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    • What ever happened to Stijn Devolder? He won Flanders in 08 and 09 in crazy breakaway’s that were at least as good as Gilbert’s. Stijn was the Belgium road champ in 08 and Belgium time trial champ in 09. I rarely hear anyone talk about Stijn, was he ever a contender for anything else?




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    • @markpa

      But isn’t that where we all stopped reading anyways? Ha! … jk… So hey! props to @Brett for giving us a little something to post about. Write on man, write on I say. Cheers. And oh man, I can’t wait for PR.




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    • Now seriously… who is being too hard on Mr Terpstra ? A few years back he attacks, he rides away from some studs, and wins a great race and stamps his name on history. More recently, he sits on the back and what ??? Yahhhnnn … just saying.




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    • @lokerola

      Think he had to retire “early” after a few crashes beat him up pretty bad & he couldn’t pick up a contract.




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    • @lokerola

      100% agreed. Devolder never got his props because both years, everyone in the peloton was marking Tommeke while he rode away. again, that’s racing, so credit where it is due. i don’t think there are any lucky accidents at Flanders, or LBL, for that matter. only the very strongest win these races.




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    • @Randy C

      i love the way Niki Terpstra races a bicycle. winners find a way to be in the finale when they don’t have the strength to dictate terms. i mean, even Peter Sagan cannot simply ride away from the world tour peloton at the end of a race any time he chooses.




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    • Geez, ya go away for a couple of months and the whole place loses its sense of humour.




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    • @Carel

      Isn’t the rule –and the point– that the rider must proceed with his/her bike.

      Walking or running with it, if it’s broken, is allowed. Crossing the finish line requires a bike. Proceeding down the course, if on foot, must be done with one’s machine. Froome running up Ventoux without his bike raised questions, I thought, because he left his steed on the side of the road for dead.

      No Panic Allowed!!!




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    • @Brett

      Just count yourself fortunate that no one came up with the American Flyers run with the bike scene as justification for Phil.




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    • @Mikael Liddy

      He’s still riding for Willems-Crelan, and he’s been looking strong in some of the semi-classics. He’s 37 though so probably not likely to be winning the big races any more.




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    • Meh, get over yourself.

      He’s won de Ronde with possibly the best ride ever seen there, he’s a former world champ with a couple of other monument wins to his name, and he can do what the fuck he likes.

      I’m not a fan of the ‘bike lift’ celebration either, but let’s talk about the ride because that’s surely what we’re here for. And that ride was epic. If Boonen’s mechanic wants sacking, and Sagan got too intimate with the fans, well that’s bike racing. Gilbert’s win at de Panne was pretty special too – a big attack on the Kapelmuur followed by a long time trial that even Luke Durbridge couldn’t match. Chapeau to him.

      When he did it I thought ‘ha, bet that will break the v-site’, but I didn’t expect a whole special article moaning about it. Chapeau to you too sir.




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    • @Brett

      Ta FUCK?!?!? No shit, eh?

      But it was one hell of a race! Cannot wait for Sunday!!!




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    • @Geraint

      I don’t disagree about any of this.

      But based on the site I’m on I think I’m completely entitled to moan about him picking his bike up.

      If we don’t have the ‘elitist pedant’ mode to fall back on, what do we have?




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    • @Bretto

      You’re spot on with the rant about the celebration but you must have overdone it on the Belgian Recovery Beverages if you think that Sagan and GVA would have undoubtedly fought for the win. They were both under pressure from the moment Boonen hit the gas on the Muur and even more so when Gilbert took off with 55 km to go. Sagan fucked up, they didn’t catch up. Philbert won.

      If you want to deal in ifs and buts, you should have seen the solo win I would have had in the ’95 Paris Roubaix if I’d been riding road bikes back then rather than having spent several years as an unreliable student. Breathtaking ride.




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    • @RobSandy

      Cwestiwn iawn, bach.

      I could relate to the outrage at Sagan’s Forrest Gump-ing, wheelie-ing, bum-pinching antics from a few years ago – he was an arriviste and his boyish games weren’t substantiated by his palmares. The pinch came after he’d just had his arse comprehensively kicked by Faboo, and it was easy for the ‘establishment’ to dismiss him as an immature and disrespectful oik.

      But this time a mature, established, proven winner – let’s face it, a hero of the sport – won his ‘second home’ monument with an absolutely epic attacking ride. He got a bit emotional about it, and overdid his celebration. Then a bunch of internet randoms slag him off for disrespecting the race. Maybe the irony has got a bit out of hand.

      Or maybe I’m just over the ‘elitist pedant’ thing.




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    • @Geraint

      Nadolig Llawen?

      My Welsh isn’t that great…

      I think there was a certain tongue in cheek tone to the article and it was intended with my post.

      It was an incredible ride.




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    • So Gilbert wins a freakin’ monument, but that doesn’t matter because of the way he celebrates!?

      Oh, the vanity….




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Isn’t that a picture of the singer in the band in the 80’s French movie Subway?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6JBaTScs1E

      I think we should be told. Seriously cool movie BTW. Isabelle Adjani. That is all.




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    • meh. I must watch too much cyclocross. I didn’t even think twice about it, as it’s not an uncommon sight in pro cx. including from the best the sport has ever seen:

      oh, and this loser too:




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    • @wiscot

      Fuck! Something good has come out of this thread–I realised that there is an early Luc Besson movie that I have not seen. I really love his movies up through The 5th Element but then he went downhill a bit, in my opinion.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Ha! Happy to help! I saw it a few times at the Glasgow Film Theatre in the 80s and have it on dvd now. It’s one of my “comfort movies” when you just want to kick back, relax and enjoy.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS8HXcqdhlw

      And if you’ve not seen Subway, you mustn’t miss Betty Blue. Not Luc Besson, but Jean-Jacques Beineix. Still starring Jean-Hughes Anglade. Amazing movie that veers from comedy to tragedy.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB5aeJ—Zg




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    • @wiscot

      Subway looks awesome, I”l have to find that.

      Do you think Christopher Lambert was the inspiration for Sick Boy’s look in trainspotting?




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    • @chris

      Good question indeed! There’s certainly a similarity in appearance and casual disregard of the law.

      Subway and Betty Blue show signs of their age (almost 30 years in both cases), but in a good way. Cinema Paradiso is also a big fave from the 80s, as are My Life as a Dog and Babette’s Feast.




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    • I was on the side of the road nursing my sore legs after the sportive the day before. PG was like a coiled spring both times we saw them pass. So I will put it down to being overcome with emotion. I’m disappointed with Sagan, don’t ride that close to beered up Belgians in hospitality, you are asking for trouble.




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    • @wiscot

      I find Betty Blue quite hard to watch these days. I used to love it but it’s quite painful now. I think back then I knew little of mental illness but it’s been a big part of some close friends lives.

      It’s still an amazing film though.




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    • @chris

      I hear you. It’s very well handled and Dalle is superb in her role – you can see the fear in her eyes as she knows she’s losing the fight for sanity.

      If I’m making coffee in a French press, I still follow the advice of the slob owner of the holiday chalets: “moisten the grounds.”

      On the excellent, but hard to watch list, is Breaking the Waves. Emily Watson should have an Oscar for that one.




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    • I am a bit surprised that the brand of bike is not visible in the money shot. If the shot had been of my bike Pinarello would have been visible in fluo yellow on matte black splendor. I am surprised Specialized hasn’t done the same. Or is it black on black?

      As far as the salute goes, I am not a fan. However, having never won a bike race I am not in a position to criticize Monsiore Gilbert. I say obey the rules until you win a Monument, Classic, or Grand Tour stage. At that point do whatever the f*** you want.




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    • @The Belgian

      So what are you doing here Mr Belgie?




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    • @JeroenK

      Is that the same Jeroen who led the 2015 Keepers Tour RVV ride? If not, forget that I mentioned it…




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    • Watching the race, reading the article and comments reminded me of what old Romans used to say about riding a bicycle:

      Quod licet jovi, non licet bovi…




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    • @Pali65

      +1




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    • @Teocalli

      Or in more recent literature: some animals are more equal than others.




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    • When I win the Ronde I’m going to lift my bike to annoy you all too.

      But why the FUCK does he have an iPhone mounted on his stem? That’s unforgivable.




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      1. And it seems a trend has been created:

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BSkLkONjvSz/




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    • @The Belgian

      Right on!




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    • @Brett

      Agreed! But not fucking me. That was awful. If any of the folks with a bad sense of humour were around, let’s NOT forget he was also picking up a steed produced by a company that tried to fuck over a Follower AND a kind donor to the VSP. Hoisting that bike made it worse. And so did the black fucking socks.

      Lads, stop comparing cross finishes to road. They’re a different sport. I don’t mind that in cross, but I do mind the bike hoist in road.

      Gilbert also used to look good on a bike, like in some of the Lotto kit. Not sure if it’s him, or both, but he’s not these days.




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    • @Brett

      Taken you that long to work that out ?

      Think we need another ” tales from the past ” article.




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    • Does anyone know what’s up with the website? Rules missing, broken links and redirects…




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    • @Jeff

      Well, McFuck. It seems the site update I ran yesterday jacked the permalinks. Should be working better now?




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  • VSP PICKS:

    1. Whole Lotta Love
    2. Jd’H
    3. AvV
    4. PFP
    5. ELB



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  • VSP PICKS:

    1. Sagwagon
    2. GVA
    3. Stybar
    4. Giblets
    5. Naesen



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  • VSP PICKS:

    1. Sagwagon
    2. GVA
    3. Stybar
    4. Van Kersbluik
    5. Tommeke



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  • Some things come, some things go. On Sunday in Flanders, there will be a mix of joy and melancholy as an old favourite returns, and another bids farewell. The famed Muur de Geraardsbergen aka the Kapelmuur finally […]




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagwagon
      2. GVA
      3. Stybar
      4. Van Kersbluik
      5. Tommeke



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    • So… every race I pick Peter to win and the rest are random fun picks. Oh well. Cheers all and good luck

      VSP PICKS:

      1. SAGAN Peter
      2. KRISTOFF Alex
      3. ROWE Luke
      4. TERPSTRA Niki
      5. KEUKELEIRE Jens



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermaet
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Alexander Kristoff
      5. Michal Kwiatkowski



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    • @Brett

      Shouldn’t the countdown timer have a couple of more days on it?




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    • Head over heart here.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaert
      3. Boonen
      4. Benoot
      5. Kwiatkowski



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Kristoff
      5. Degenkolb



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      VSP PICKS:

      1. GVA
      2. Sagan
      3. Kristoff
      4. Gilbert
      5. Degenkolb



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Phillipe Gilbert
      3. Greg Van Amermaet
      4. Alex Kristof
      5. Luke Rowe



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    • f’ed the spelling

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Phillipe Gilbert
      3. Greg Van Avermaet
      4. Alex Kristoff
      5. Luke Rowe



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Avermaet
      2. Sagan
      3. Gilbert
      4. Keukeleire
      5. Vanmarke



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Van marcke
      2. van avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Sagan
      5. Boonen



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    • Letting my heart govern these picks…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Boonen
      2. Van Vaermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Sagan
      5. Degenkolb



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Philippe Gilbert
      3. Greg Van Avermaet
      4. Michal Kwiatkowski
      5. Alexander Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Kristoff
      5. Kwiatkowski



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. kwiatkowski
      2. Boonen
      3. sagan
      4. gva
      5. van marke



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Greg Van Avermaet
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Luke Durbridge
      4. Tom Boonen
      5. Sep Vanmarcke



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Boonen
      4. Rowe
      5. Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Phil Gil
      4. Van Marke
      5. Durbridge



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Gilbert



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Kwiatkowski
      4. Boonen
      5. Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Gilbert
      2. GVA
      3. Sagan
      4. Stannard
      5. Boom



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Greg van Avermaet
      2. Philippe Gilbert
      3. Peter Sagan
      4. Oliver Naesen
      5. John Degenkolb



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Stannard
      2. Stybar
      3. Sagan
      4. Keukeliere
      5. Van Avermaet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Philipe Gilbert
      4. Jens Keukeleire
      5. Oliver Naesen



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Kwiatowski
      4. Tommeke
      5. Gilbert



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Philippe Gilbert
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Peter Sagan
      4. Tom Boonen
      5. Oliver Naesen



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    • Might help my results if I pick people who are actually in the race.

      Kwiatowski is not riding RVV this year.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Gilbert
      4. Tommeke
      5. Luke Rowe



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Kristoff
      5. Kwiatkowski



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermaet
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Alexander Kristoff
      5. Stybar



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    • After missing the last one, I’m hoping for a big one…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Alexander Kristoff
      4. John Degenkolb
      5. Tiesj Benoot



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    • @sthilzy

      @wiscot

      @stooge

      @ramenvelo

      @GoldenGorilla

      @ojhart

      @1860

      @The Grande Fondue

      Okay Mates. I made the same mistake. Pretty sure (almost 100%) that Kwiatkowski is NOT riding RVV this weekend. Confirm for yourselves but that is my read of the situation.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Gilbert
      4. Tommeke
      5. Luke Rowe



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    • Closed? How can it be closed????




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    • @Buck Rogers

      So you actually read the starters list? That would be unfair to my competitors if I actually made informed picks…




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    • 1. Golden Greg VA

      2. T.Boonen

      3. Alex Christ-off

      4. Pete gummy bear (not Fancy Bear)

      5. Phil Gil




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    • Thanks to Buck for paying attention and giving us a heads-up on who’s actually riding. I shall now resubmit shitty picks.

      WTF? It’s closed? It’s Thursday FFS!




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    • @wiscot

      Tell me about it! I turn up at the race 3 days early and still Delgado!




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    • 1. Sagan

      2. van Avermaet

      3. Gilbert

      4. Kristoff

      5. Degenkolb




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    • Is this really closed?




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    • Let Tommie have his bit of fun.

      1.Boonen

      2. Sagan

      3. van Avermaet

      4. Kristoff

      5. Degenkolb




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    • @RobSandy

      @Frank is pulling our guns…




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Kristoff
      5. Degenkolb



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Degenkolb
      5. Kristoff



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    • 1. Sagan

      2. Van Avermaet

      3. Gilbert

      4. Vanmarcke

      5. Naesen




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Giblets
      4. Degenkolb
      5. Stybar



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    • My alternative picks: 1. Fuck! 2. Fuck me! 3. Fuck @

      Frank! 4. What the fuck! 5. Fuck this!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Phillipe Gilbert
      4. Alexander Kristoff
      5. Sep Vanmarcke



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    • Looking forward to a great race!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Avermaet, Greg
      2. Sagan, Peter
      3. Gilbert, Phillipe
      4. Stuyven, Jasper
      5. Keukeleire, Jens



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    • I was just thinking this morning as I was walking my dogs…Damn, these next two weekends are FAR better than Christmas, or any other time of year, for cycling fans. Hard to believe the Ronde and the Hell of the North are on tap!!

      Let’s talk about other seasons this many guys were riding this well. Greg VA, Sagan, Kwiatkowski, Boonen, Gilbert, Kristoff, Durbridge. It’s crazy.

      Seeing Boonen on a Merckx was so much better than seeing him on a Specialized.

      Sunday is going to be awesome.




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    • Picks.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Durbridge
      5. Boonen



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    • Here goes correcting for the wee Pole’s absence.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Boonen
      4. Benoot
      5. Keukeleire



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. P. Sagan
      2. Greg v. Avermaet
      3. P. Gilbert
      4. A. Kristoff
      5. J. Stuyven



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Avermaet
      2. Gilbert
      3. Sagan
      4. Vanmarke
      5. Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVFA
      3. Rowe
      4. Gilbert
      5. Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Devolder S
      2. Pozatto F
      3. Kristoff A
      4. Benoot T
      5. Stuyven S



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Greg Van Avermaet
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Luke Rowe
      4. Oliver Naesen
      5. Tiesj Benoot



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    • Having missed the very small window for submitting tips for Gent-Wevelgem I am now checking this thing almost daily to see when and if tips need to be submitted and then I see it’s already closed…but now open again!? What’s going on?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Kristoff
      5. Degenkolb



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Gilbert
      2. Van Avermat
      3. Sagan
      4. Kristoff
      5. Terpstra



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    • Aanhouden doet gedaan

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Gilbert
      3. Rowe
      4. GVA
      5. Degenkolb



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    • Will there be a women’s VSP this year?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. SAGAN, Peter
      2. VAN AVERMAET, Greg
      3. DEGENKOLB, John
      4. KRISTOFF, Alexander
      5. GILBERT, Philippe



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Greg van Avermaet
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Sep Vanmarcke
      4. Alexander Kristoff
      5. Niki Terpstra



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Boonen
      4. Terpstra
      5. VanMarcke



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    • Hasn’t been a bunch sprint with 10 or more riders finishing with the same time in almost 20 years…another attack on the Paterburg to seal the deal? That’s what I’m banking on.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Gilbert
      3. GVA
      4. Keukeleire
      5. VanMarcke



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    • FFS. Already one Delgado incident in past two VSPs.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Degenkolb
      2. Sagan
      3. GVA
      4. Thomas
      5. Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan, Peter
      2. Van Avermaet, Greg
      3. Degenkolb, John
      4. Gilbert, Philippe
      5. Terpstra, Niki



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Degenkolb
      4. Boonen
      5. Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. John Degenkolb
      3. Greg van Avermaet
      4. Philippe Gilbert
      5. Niki Terpstra



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    • Lets get my token Aussie in there!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. P Sagan
      2. J Degenkolb
      3. Luke Durbridge
      4. Greg VA
      5. Alexander Kristoff



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    • Delgad’open again… Anyhoo, slightly changed my picks

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Boonen
      4. Kristoff
      5. Degenkolb



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    • @Buck Rogers

      Thanks Buck!

      Have the habit of picking, then checking start list!




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    • @Buck Rogers Thanks – I was rushing to get my tips in with the original short deadline. I saw your Kwiatkowski and thought how he’d be pretty good on the course…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Kristoff
      5. Terpstra



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    • Hell hath no fury like a Sagan scorned.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan can choose who wins today
      2. Gilbert
      3. GVA
      4. Oliver Naesen
      5. Luke Durbridge



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Greg Van Fucking Avermaet
      3. Luke Rowe
      4. Gilbert
      5. Kristoff



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    • @Snowy

      Daily? Hell’s bells man , hourly is the way to go!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Boonen
      4. Benoot
      5. Keukeleire



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. GVA
      2. Gilbert
      3. Sagan
      4. Naesen
      5. Benoot



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    • I’m hoping to see some action from Trek Segafredo. They’ve been snoozing somewhat of late.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermaet
      3. Jasper Stuyven
      4. Luke Rowe
      5. Philippe Gilbert



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    • Switching Sep for Degs due to the latter’s illness and crash. And putting Degs ahead of Kristoff.

      But keeping all my secondary fuck picks.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Phillipe Gilbert
      4. John Degenkob
      5. Alexander Kristoff



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    • Fucking keyboard!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Phillipe Gilbert
      4. John Degenkolb
      5. Alexander Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Boonen
      2. Sagan



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Boonen
      2. Sagan
      3. van Avermaet
      4. Degenkolb
      5. Kristoff



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    • Making up for the Gent Delgado, hopefully…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Degenkolb
      4. Gilbert
      5. Boonen



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    • Hallowed Tablets…….




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermaet
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Alexander Kristoff
      5. Michael Kwiatkowski



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Avermaet
      2. Sagan
      3. Gilbert
      4. Sep VanMarcke
      5. Alex Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. SAGAN Peter



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    • trying again…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. SAGAN Peter
      2. GILBERT Philippe
      3. VAN AVERMAET Greg
      4. KRISTOFF Alexander
      5. DEGENKOLB John



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Avermaet
      2. Sagan
      3. Gilbert
      4. Turbo Durbridge
      5. Alex Kristoff



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    • The usual suspects. I’ll probably NITRO at best, but I’m not betting against the Sagwagon.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. van Avermaet
      3. Terpstra
      4. Kristoff
      5. Gilbert



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Krisroff
      3. GVA
      4. Giblets
      5. Dege



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Greg Van Avermaet
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Alexander Kristoff
      5. John Degenkolb



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    • Shirt Sleeve Order in Oudenaarde today. And looks like more of the same tomorrow and Sunday.

      Belgian Recovery Beverages are going down well. Not so good was going down after dipping the front wheel into a tram track getting back into Ghent. Even less amusing was realising the right drop was barely attached to the rest of the bars. Fortunately a friendly local bike shop had a secondhand pair of Deda bars onto the bike and rewrapped less than forty five minutes after the spill.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Gilbert
      4. Kristoff
      5. Keukeleire



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermaet
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Yves Lampsert
      5. Niki Terpstra



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    • Unable to give my favourite Sep any chance for the first time in years.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. van Avermaet
      2. Sagan
      3. Kristoff
      4. Gilbert
      5. Naesen



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Gva
      3. Gilbert
      4. Sagan
      5. Kwiatkowski



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    • Crap, meant to type Boonen in first. No more Portuguese vino for me. On a positive note I ordered a Campy groupset today.




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    • Hell hath no fury like Sagan scorned




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan can choose who wins today!
      2. Gilbert
      3. GVA
      4. Oliver Naesen
      5. Luke Durbridge



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Boonen
      2. Sagan
      3. Benoot
      4. gva
      5. van marke



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermaet
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Yves Lampaert
      5. Niki Terpstra



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    • @chris

      Well. Bollocks to that. Woke up to rain.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Kristoff
      5. Degenkolb



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    • Thanks for looking out!




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    • @Byron

      Liverpool for the FA cup and Man Utd for the champions league too.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Philippe Gilbert
      2. Vanmarcke
      3. Kristoff
      4. Degenkolb
      5. Van Avermaet



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    • @chris

      Indeed. SFSFSFSF – Being….Started, Farted, Slipped and Fell, See you Friday, Sid Farell.

      Kept awake till 3 am by folk in an adjoining room and bathroom extractor fans. Only half awake at the start, cold in the half light and rain and missed the course split after only 10 KM or so. Was well round the short course by the time I woke up and realised I was way too far along compared to where I should be. Was cussing and not paying attention on a “lubricated” concrete farm path and bit the dust (which wasn’t dust) on a turn as a result. Bike OK, left thigh more like a track sprinter’s than my own on the right.

      Guess I’m coming back next year to complete unfinished business. Makes mental note DO NOT BOOK GHENT CAMPANILE.

      Turned out nice – after I finished way too early.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Gilbert
      2. GVA
      3. Sagan
      4. Stannard
      5. Boom



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    • This will be a brilliant race even if it isn’t

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Haribo Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermight
      3. Philippe Giblets
      4. Well Prepared Kristoff
      5. Michal Kwiatkowski



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Stybar
      4. Vanmarcke
      5. Kristoff



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    • Maybe Sagan is getting into good form

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermaet
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Alex Kristoff
      5. Geraint Thomas



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Kristoff
      2. Rowe
      3. Terpstra
      4. Greg VA
      5. Degenkolb



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    • Can’t wait for the Muur




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Gilbert
      2. Sagan
      3. Keukeleire
      4. GVA
      5. Benoot



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Terpstra
      2. Durbridge
      3. Keukeleire
      4. Greg VA
      5. Degenkolb



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    • Last tweak, I promise

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Terpstra
      2. Degenkolb
      3. Durbridge
      4. Greg VA
      5. Keukelaire



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    • @lokerola

      You had Sagan in there twice – so I deleted both entries…go ahead and put a fresh set of picks in there. (You can’t put a rider in the list in two spots!)




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Pisst off Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Phil Gil
      4. Rowe
      5. The Kook



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Avermaet
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. P Gilbert
      4. Degenkolb
      5. Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Michal Kwiatkowski
      5. Alexander Kristoff



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    • For the 10th time trying to post




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      • Something



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. P. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Vanmarcke
      4. Degenkolb
      5. Gilbert



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Greg Van Avermaet
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Lars Boom
      5. Stijn Vandenbergh



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. SAGAN Peter
      2. Van AVERMAET Greg
      3. ROWE Luke
      4. TERPSTRA Niki
      5. KEUKELEIRE Jens



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      VSP PICKS:

      1. Gilbert
      2. Sagan
      3. Van Avermaet
      4. Degenkolb
      5. Boonen



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    • I’m re-posting with my correct picks

      because I royally screwed up my first entry, posting Sagan twice. He’s good, but not that good.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Boonen
      2. GvA
      3. Gilbert
      4. Sagan
      5. Kwiatkowski



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. VAN AVERMAET Greg
      2. SAGAN Peter
      3. GILBERT Phillippe
      4. DURBRIDGE Luke
      5. STANNARD Ian



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Gilbert
      4. Naeson
      5. Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Degenkolb
      3. GVA
      4. Gilbert
      5. Durbridge



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagwagon
      2. GVA
      3. Stybar
      4. Giblets
      5. Naesen



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    • Gah, hoping my post goes through this time…. and hoping I can stay spoiler-free til later this evening when I finally get a chance to watch. Heart wants Boonen to have a good race, but feeling more like he’s saving it for Roubaix. Too much shadow boxing ruins it for Sags again, and GvA nips away with the win in

      brilliant form.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Greg van Avermaet
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Philippe Gilbert
      4. Niki Terpstra
      5. Alexander Kristoff



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    • @chris

      Inevitably a great night’s sleep and the sun is well and truly up this morning!

      Grazed knuckles, elbow and road rash thigh so all in all not too bad this morning. Sounds like your team came off far worse. Hope they are OK this morning.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Gilbert
      2. GVA
      3. Sagan
      4. Stannard
      5. Boom



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Greg vanAvermaet
      2. Phil Gil
      3. Sags
      4. Naesen
      5. Degenkolb



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Greg Van Avermaet
      2. Philippe Gilbert
      3. Peter Sagan
      4. Sep Vanmarcke
      5. Alexander Kristoff



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    • Keukeliere is out sick. I’m tempted to slot Kristoff in but I’ll stick with OBE.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Stannard
      2. Stybar
      3. Sagan
      4. Durbridge
      5. Van Avermaet



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    • Seems just like it was only twelve months ago ….

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Durbridge
      4. Stannard
      5. Vanmarcke



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    • Wow, what a race! Poor Boonen with 3 times changing bike, brave Gilbert, Sagan and GVA showing teeth after all.

      Stunning show!




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    • what. a. ride.




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    • Super human




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    • Chapeau to Gilzilla! What a ride! What a friggin amazing race! Poor Tommeke and sad to see the Sagan crash. What’s up with the QS bikes?




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    • Great solo ride by Gilbert. I was looking forward to a closer finish before the Sagan and van Avermaet crash.




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    • Coo – I might just have won that with a First and Second. Might have peaked early (like last year!).




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    • Ok, I’ not opening up he helmet debate, but I can’t believe Sagan finished today. Watch his crash with GvA and Naesen. Sagan’s head thwacks the cobbles hard! No helmet = concussion, no doubt about it. And on the subject of headgear, what’s up with PhilGil going capless on the podium? EQS are usually very diligent about diong the proper (not baseball-style) cap. Terpstra did it right, but I can’t remember I saw a rider sans head gear on the podium.




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    • @wiscotAshleigh

      Weird, huh. I bet he simply wasn’t handed one and in the excitement didn’t notice it.

      Felt bad for Sagan. Would have perhaps been a closer run thing if not for that stack. Did he run into a spectator’s jacket, or did he take out the spectators jacket on his way to the deck? Unlucky too for Boonen to have a mechanical with his replacement bike. Gonna be some hungry front runners out there next week.




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    • That was a griping watch! This spring has just been producing ride after ride of power – yes I remember the Kelly’s and Hinault’s and of course Eddy laying down serious hurt but it seems these guys – those winning this year are in a league of their own and it’s not like the bunch is full of wimps. Do @all think they are different from the past? Phils display today, Van Avermaet, Sags, Cancelarara and Boonen the past few years are they the same as Kelly, Hinault and the Great one?




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    • @Rob

      Does Howdy Doody have wooden balls ? Heck ya they’re different from perspective of physical preparation, training and being stronger. Couple that with top flight advances in equipment. No different than any sport I have to believe. My opinion. Maybe not different in terms of having the mental killer attitude about wanting to crush souls and going however deep is necessary to do so. But for sure, physically ? Absolutely.




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    • @Rob

      @Randy C

      It’s hard to measure across eras of course, but there is some evidence that modern cyclists aren’t any better than older ones (excluding the effects of blood doping).

      Eg, Coppi did Alpe d’Huez in 45:22 in 1952 (on dirt roads without modern gears!), Luis Herrera did 41:50 in 1987 (which was probably before EPO) and Pinot did a 42:18 in 2015.

      The crazy EPO era was completely different though (eg, 37:35/27:36 for Pantani/Armstrong in 1997)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d%27Huez#Ascent_times




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    • @stooge

      I hear ya, but that’s that soigneurs are for – taking care of the post race clothing.




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    • @Randy C Wait whaaaat, No Howdy did not have wooden balls? But that aside you confirm what I feel about these guys – they just look so frikin tuned!

      @The Grande Fondue then you throw facts into the mix and it also confirms how I feel –

      really they are the same athletes (totally ignoring the doping days) just with better food, training regimes and feed back to sharpen the instrument.

      @stooge can not wait for next weekend!! The best race bar none and aren’t we long over due for a wet one??




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Terpstra
      2. Degenkolb
      3. Durbridge
      4. Greg VA
      5. Gilbert



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    • .




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Pete Sagan
      2. Van Avermaet
      3. Boonen
      4. Gilbert
      5. Durbridge



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    • @wiscot

      Yeah, precisely. The soigneur forgot that detail and by the time anyone noticed it was too late. Doubt we’ll see it again from any team this season, as all teams would have made a note of it.




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    • @Rob

      My word! And after yesterday, with podium contenders missing out, first time riders having an impact, and one of the greats riding classics for the last time, next week is shaping up to be a special episode. I’ve told the fam I’ll be in the cave, selected some fine beverages, ordered the cold cuts and cheese (all only occasional indulgences), and set up a small fridge so I don’t have to leave the cave. Can’t wait!




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    • @stooge

      Talking of “in the cave, selected some fine beverages, ordered the cold cuts and cheese (all only occasional indulgences), and set up a small fridge so I don’t have to leave the cave.” The hospitality tents being set up on last Saturday at the key climbs around the course were simply huge. The event must generate some serious local revenue. Though at least a few must have been complete quagmires by the close of Sunday.




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    • Three picks right and two in the right order. I guess that kinda sorta makes up for me Delgado-ing the women’s Ronde.




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    • @wiscot

      Hmm interesting – it does appear as though the jacket snags the bars and turns him into the barrier support. You can just see that it is picked up by the brifter hood and his front wheel skews into the barrier support. Then again there were plenty of jackets on the barriers so it’s up to the riders to make allowance.




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    • @Rick

      Agreed, I think Sagan’s hood just catches enough of the jacket to cause a slight turn in his wheel towards the barriers. You can see that the jacket moves substantially to our right as soon as Sagan passes it. This causes it to billow out and poor Naesen has no choice but to catch it full-on. At the speed they were going and as close as they were, there was no margin of error. The banner on the barrier wasn’t a factor.

      Can’t believe Tommeke didn’t have a chain guide or chain slap protector on his bike. Given the parcours where riders are much more likely to be doing serious under pressure shifts from the big ring to the smaller one, an issue such as chain suck should be catered to. I doubt it cost him the race, but maybe a spot on the podium.

      steephill.tv If you don’t have it bookmarked, you should. Best coverage of everything.




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    • @wiscot

      I do have Steephill bookmarked but have not actually figured out how to use the site.I find steephill a bit overwhelming and confusing. I look for live races but always wind up watching them on procycling live instead. Sometimes I have to use the Italian or French feed. I can keep up with the live updates and of course I know enough about the idividual riders to know what is going on.




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    • @Rick

      steephill is not the most aesthetically pleasing site, I’ll grant you, and it can be a bit overwhelming, but once you’ve clicked on a link, you usually have to scroll to the bottom to find live feeds. Sometimes you have to try a few to find one that’ll work/come through. Yesterday my Eurosport feed (with Kelly commentating), kept cutting out to ambient noise. No big deal. What I really like it for is the post race pix and videos. It’s like a clearinghouse for all that stuff.

      procycling live you say? Is that free? I’ll check it out. So long as see the race, I’m happy.




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    • @wiscot

      https://www.procyclinglive.com/livestream/#

      They usually have several feeds from around the world. If I am fortunate enough to get the Eurosport feed with Carlton Kirby and Sean Kelly I am very happy. More often I can get a French or Italian feed and I follow the action on cycling news live feeds. It is much easier to navigate than steephill.




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    • @Rick

      Carlton Kirby does come out with some daft quotes though. The other week he was talking about sections of concrete roads coming on the back of a truck and craned into place.




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    • @Teocalli

      Yes, Mr. Kirby can be colorful. I love it when he calls the GCN “races.”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UyVkc1JrHs




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    • Yea! So far I have won MSR and RVV. What incredible luck. I can assure you it isn’t skill and previous years’ VSP results prove that. If only I didn’t Delgado the two short-window VSPs…




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    • @Skip

      Well, FUCK! Chapeau!

      Not a bad problem to have trying to decide which little image to use beside your name, eh???

      Of course, RVV has to trump our MSR, right???




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Of course the RVV lion is the more bad ass icon to have. As of now it looks like I carry the MSR icon, probably because that was first. Not sure if changing that is a priority for @Frank right now, but it would be an incentive to post more.




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  • VSP PICKS:

    1. Sagwagon
    2. Degencobble
    3. Giblets
    4. Che
    5. Caleb



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  • Changing it up, can’t bet against my man Sags.

    VSP PICKS:

    1. Sagwagon
    2. Che Gaviria
    3. The Mayor
    4. Kris Pistoffagain
    5. Colbrelli



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