Le Graveur: Pain-o-nomics 101

Le Graveur: Pain-o-nomics 101

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I’ve taken exactly one economics course in my life. If the fog of time isn’t too thick, I recall two theories that account for value. These theories posit value as being either (A) intrinsic or (B) subjective. That is to say that commodities are valuable in and of themselves and that value can be established objectively by the market. Or things hold value because we as individuals say they do, markets be damned. Now for this premise to work for we the Velominati, I’m going to ask you to accept that pain is a commodity. I don’t think it will be too hard for us to get there.  We budget the time in our weeks so that we can get more of it, we bank it in our guns to be spent at a later date, when we’ve got enough saved up we happily share it with other riders (Trickle-down Pain-o-nomics if you will), and when we’re running short on it we feel poor. For all intents and purposes, we seek pain out like a Wall Street broker looking for the next Microsoft IPO.

When I consider pain from position A – pain is intrinsically valuable and that value can be set by market forces – I think of myself riding the first half of The Heck of The North. You see, for the first half of the day I was riding with the front group. This group of twenty or so riders was dipping into the pain stores not as individuals, but as a collective. The demand for pain was being driven up by the entire group on the snowmobile trail sections of the race.* Analogous to its namesake, The Hell of the North, selections are made at The Heck not on the road (in this case, gravel roads) but on several difficult sections of sno-go trail which require the rider to be practiced, skilled, familiar, and in possession of The V. The riders that do well in this race are really fast at riding technically on a course that they’ve ridden before. They have a pretty good idea of who’s going to go, certainly know exactly where, and can react accordingly. I had prepared adequately for all of these factors, I thought.

It was on the third section of trail when the value of the pain I was “buying” shifted from being market-driven to the subjective side of the equation I called position B above. To put it in simple terms – I was dropped like The Rainbow Turd. Until then I was riding comfortably in the tete de la course (as was the case after the first sections of trail) or working hard to get back to the front after realizing that my trail riding skills weren’t as honed as other in the group. We hit a section fast and I was positioned perfectly in the top 4 when my front wheel slid out in soft gravel. Then, 100 meters up the trail, I was forced to dismount on steep, boulder strewn double track after falling off my line. After the disappointment of seeing the lead group ride up the trail wore of, I was left with a choice – to keep riding hard (albeit out of contention) and see how the day turned out or not.** So I took a long-needed piss and started riding hard. I figured sooner or later I’d reel some other dropees back in, which turned out to be the case.

I felt pain but it was the good kind of pain, familiar and sweet. Pain that I knew would pay dividends, pain that, once deposited in the First National Bank of The Guns, could be withdrawn, with interest, at a later date. And even though I was shopping alone now as opposed to with twenty other dudes, I knew I had no choice but to keep buying because walking out of the Pain-Mart would have left my cupboards empty at the end of the day. I wanted a full pantry. This pain still had value but only to me. I was shopping for myself after the mid-way point of the race.

At the end of the race I could say I learned a lot and felt good about how the day went. On the one hand, I contributed, at least for a while, to the market and even though the dividends weren’t as high for me as they were for others, I came away ahead of where I feared. On the other hand, during the second half of the race, I was able to set my own terms and finish with even more pain in the First National Bank of The Guns than when I started the day. Which leads me to conclude that ultimately, pain’s value lies both in its intrinsic and subjective nature and the beauty of pain is that it is free to any of us who are willing to take it. By placing value on pain we recognize that there is plenty of it laying around for the taking because so many other people do what they can to avoid it. In this sense, it is our demand for it, not the abundant supply, that gives it value. In accepting pain as a commodity we see hardship, fear,  doubt, and discomfort as resources to be accepted, conquered, oppressed and embraced respectively all the while knowing that the more we buy the wealthier we’ll be in the long run. The Heck of the North (as well as other gravel races like The Almanzo) create the ideal circumstances for harvesting the commodity of pain.*** These gravel races provide opportunities to both enter the market and set the value yourself. In either case, the organizers, riders, and routes provide ample amounts a valuable pain. Go shopping.

Here are some cool videos making their way around about these two races.

Almanzo Video. Look for the ALAN.

HOTN Video. Look for the guy drinking.

*For those of you who may not know what snowmobiles trails are (let alone snowmobiles), the state of Minnesota maintains a vast network of groomed trails for snowmobile enthusiasts in the winter. During the non-winter months these trails are a mix of grasses (both short and tall), bouldery gravel, swamp and muskeg, double track, and Precambrian granite. They are unmaintained in the summer except for clearing the occasional downed tree.

** The truth is, I was really only left with one option, ‘not’ was not a viable option. A day or two previously I had received the single-most awesome pep-talk ever from Frank over voxer. Had I not had his loud Dutch, two-beer buzz voice screaming at me from within to “KILL IT” I may have actually considered the ‘not’ option. BTW, if anyone can tell me how to save and upload voxer messages I’d be happy to share this inspirational rant with you good people.

***It has been suggested in some quarters that riding gravel is up to 20% harder (rolling resistance) than riding tarmac. If this is indeed the case, we reap much more value given the same distance and time on the road.

 

// Le Graveur // The Rides

  1. @co-mo

    Nice! Whenever I ride on gravel it makes me appreciate the tarmac even more. By the way, is that a camelback strapped to your torso? I make no rule judgment here; just curious.

    I agonized over whether or not to use the CB. As you can see, it ruins and otherwise good photo and the thing invariably slid to the side on trail sections. But one thing I learned from the Almanzo is that stopping at drop points and feed zones is very costly. The front group doesn’t stop, ever. Furthermore, the route is remote and there are zero places along the way to refill bidon. That and there’s only one bidon cage on that bike. So I had one bidon on the bike, one in by jersey, and the CB which just got me by.

    @G’rilla

    Wish you could have made it.

    @Gianni

    No name Ridley X-night branded as Velominati Le Graveur. I’ve been riding some Kenda Happy Mediums (32’s and 6 bar) which are a dry CX tire and work very well for gravel. Tyres like these are the most common in the gravel scene. The Aristocrats are great for just straight up graveling but dismounting, walking through muck, getting shit in the cleats is the trade off. In the future, road pedals and shoes for Almanzo, MTB for Heck.

  2. @frank Funny thing is he doesn’t seem to understand the difference between cyclocross and gravel road racing.

  3. @Marko My comments were provoked by @scaler911. Let’s resume our usual practice of commenting only on the original article, people.

  4. Velominati, please, help me! I keep thinking about the off-season which has actually began in my part of the World. It is my first off-season so I’m looking for answers on how to improve my V-live. I’m conversant with rules #5 and #9 and I know I should simply go out there and fight the big monster called Nature. I also own an indoor trainer for the really bad, bad days. My question is, however, if I am allowed to run as a cross training activity. The Rules do not settle my question.

  5. sweet one Marko:

    tis the season!  La Graveur is a new one added to my vocabulary, which tends to be limited to about 3 words and concepts, now 4

    I look forward to gravel roading it in the winter, and will be likc cyclops, riding my first cx race soon, on my hunk-a-junk as i am cycling poor and can only afford one nice lady at a time, the rest are tramps.  But she echo’s from the canadian parts, a rocky mtn, and she is bred to run, so will see

    thanks for the inspiration, may do those other longer endurance rides later

  6. @czmiel

    Velominati, please, help me! I keep thinking about the off-season which has actually began in my part of the World. It is my first off-season so I’m looking for answers on how to improve my V-live. I’m conversant with rules #5 and #9 and I know I should simply go out there and fight the big monster called Nature. I also own an indoor trainer for the really bad, bad days. My question is, however, if I am allowed to run as a cross training activity. The Rules do not settle my question.

    Nope. No running unless being chased. And then only fast enough not to get caught. The only cross training allowed is actual ‘cross. But I don’t do that (cross). I just like to poke fun at @G’rilla.

  7. @G’rilla

    @scaler911

    @Marko

    Someone give one of these magnificent bastards a badge of some description. Nice work, makes Cross look fun (but where’s the rain?)

  8. @Cyclops

    I’m doing my first Cross race Saturday. Anybody know where I can get some “juice”?

     

    There is some old stock on sale at US Postal/Discovery/Retirement Shack/Retirement Shack-Nissan. They know a doctor or two as well…

  9. Marko, have to say – nice guns!

  10. @Marko

    Amazing looking bike. I remember seeing your Alan on ebay and I have been wondering what it was replaced with since.

  11. Thanks for the article about the v bank, my only contribution to this website of any value, other than my Rule #9 article. Well done.

    I’m considering taking my rain bike and converting to cross to ride some fire roads here, and hopefully try a cross race or two next year. I know I can replace the front four and get some cantilever brakes, however I’m pretty sure the 50 cm caad will not clear in the back. Is that correct?

  12. @King Clydesdale

    Thanks for the article about The V bank, my only contribution to this website of any value, other than my Rule #9 article. Well done.

    I’m considering taking my rain bike and converting to cross to ride some fire roads here, and hopefully try a cross race or two next year. I know I can replace the front four and get some cantilever brakes, however I’m pretty sure the 50 cm caad will not clear in the back. Is that correct?

    I’d be surprised if you can get something bigger than 25-27 mm in the rear, and you’d only be able to run brakes that mount on the brake bridge.  Also consider if you put in a cross fork, it will have a higher crown, which will alter the front end geometry and handling of the bike, likely detrimentally.  And it’s not as though canti brakes are good for stopping; the main advantage is mud clearance.  Depending on gravel road conditions and the spacing of your frame, you might just be better off squeezing in the biggest road tires that will fit in the frame/fork.

  13. @meursault

    I would disagree that a commodity has a value because we say it does. But that maybe the Marxist in me. Commodities have value because they have a use (value) or an exchange (value). The value is determined by the amount of human labour that transforms raw material (commodities) to umm… commodities.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxian_economics

    I wondered about the labor theory of value, here, myself. But the notion of exchange value always struck me as a slippery pig of a business.  One thing the New Left contributed was an understanding that culture and semiotics influence exchange value. In that sense, a commodity’s value can be “subjective.”  
     
    Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I’m happy to spend money on shiny, attractive, status-related objects when I think I can afford it.  
     
  14. @Marko

    @co-mo

    Nice! Whenever I ride on gravel it makes me appreciate the tarmac even more. By the way, is that a camelback strapped to your torso? I make no rule judgment here; just curious.

    I agonized over whether or not to use the CB.

    Once again my fantasy world comes crashing down.  I had assumed the CB was a V-chute to be deployed upon crossing the finish line.

  15. What CX can do for road racing….

    http://vimeo.com/49997914

    In this clip from last week’s junior road race at the world championships, youngster Quentin Jauregui is forced to change his bike. He does so while sprinting in cleats and does not break stride while the peloton hurtles by. It’s essentially Superman getting changed in a phone booth, except where Superman has cyclocross experience and the phone booth is a pair of middle aged French bike mechanics.

    From SBS Cycling

  16. Jaysus, I can’t get beyond the first paragraph Marko! I too have taken one economics course in my life. Freshman fall. After getting up at 6:30 for high school 8:30 seemed late. Too bad it was also my introduction to an expensive college’s dining hall. I’d eat everything in sight for 45 minutes, then summarily fall asleep for the entire class via food coma.

    Ha, banking pain in the guns! That’s awesome.

    Trickle-down-pain-o-nomics. Maybe the first reference to that arsehole Reagan I’ve seen on the site. I’ll try to avoid divulging too much of my hatred for that bastard, but what a fucking awful economic plan. The wealthy don’t get that way by fucking sharing. I’ve always really appreciated our focus on bikes and the stuff that matters, so sorry for slipping into politics, but I simply can’t get over how a failed actor managed to convince so many folks he was so wonderful. And also paved the way for a doped up bodybuilder to run a state with such an enormous economy. And population. /Over./

    And the new bike. HOT! In the photo it looks like that hose and nozzle are going to the ST, as if the bike is parked to receive a power boost!

  17. @sthilzy

    What CX can do for road racing…. http://vimeo.com/49997914

    In this clip from last week’s junior road race at the world championships, youngster Quentin Jauregui is forced to change his bike. He does so while sprinting in cleats and does not break stride while the peloton hurtles by. It’s essentially Superman getting changed in a phone booth, except where Superman has cyclocross experience and the phone booth is a pair of middle aged French bike mechanics.

    From SBS Cycling

    Wait, what the fuck?! I had to watch that three times before I even saw him or the swap. That’s outrageous.

  18. If you are going to give a bike only one bidon mount, why on the DT? It seems like this makes shouldering harder/impossible. Doesn’t the DT make more sense?

    I have two mounts on my Van Dessel and take both cages off for racing. For training/off-season I leave on the ST one since I can still practice shoulder. Not as easily/smoothly as with zero on there, but still do-able.

  19. @King Clydesdale

    Thanks for the article about The V bank, my only contribution to this website of any value, other than my Rule #9 article. Well done.

    I’m considering taking my rain bike and converting to cross to ride some fire roads here, and hopefully try a cross race or two next year. I know I can replace the front four and get some cantilever brakes, however I’m pretty sure the 50 cm caad will not clear in the back. Is that correct?

    I have a few things to say here. If the bike is really a rain ride and you don’t care too much about losing it for that use, go for it. But, converting things always seems to get expensive quickly. Probably because I can never settle for so-so stuff. Many cx racers dump frames and parts after every season. I’d say check out the local races. Some folks bring old bikes to sell. Or get onto the local cx boards and check. And finally, some of the big box national dealers have very nice deals on some decent cx bikes, if you are just looking to get into it. Pardon my rudeness for bringing them up, but check performance, nashbar, excel, etc. They sometimes have full cx bikes or at least frames for very cheap.

    Good luck!

  20. @Dan_R

    @Cyclops

    I’m doing my first Cross race Saturday. Anybody know where I can get some “juice”?

     

    There is some old stock on sale at US Postal/Discovery/Retirement Shack/Retirement Shack-Nissan. They know a doctor or two as well…

    HA! Yes, NOS epo, plastic blood bags, et al are currently on sale by a number of American racers. Steep discounts. One guy isn’t selling his though; they magically disappeared because he doesn’t live in or acknowledge the past, thus, all his gear vanished into the ether.

  21. @Ron

    @Dan_R

    @Cyclops

    I’m doing my first Cross race Saturday. Anybody know where I can get some “juice”?

     

    There is some old stock on sale at US Postal/Discovery/Retirement Shack/Retirement Shack-Nissan. They know a doctor or two as well…

    HA! Yes, NOS epo, plastic blood bags, et al are currently on sale by a number of American racers. Steep discounts. One guy isn’t selling his though; they magically disappeared because he doesn’t live in or acknowledge the past, thus, all his gear vanished into the ether.

    It gets better than that, the American national road team is so depleted that anyone turning up with their own blood and a bike will automatically get a ride.

  22. It’s a shame something like HOTN must be reduced to an economics metaphor and a celebration of pain.  Lets forget about the fact that this is one of the most beautiful parts of the country and the event is held at a time of the year when that beauty is at its peak.  Lets not think about the fact that it was a perfect day for a ride.  We can ignore a lot of good people that were involved, especially the organizer and his cadre of volunteers.  There were no trophies and no points.  Times were established a few prizes handed out but the most any could take away from something like HOTN is the satisfaction of having finished and some bragging rights over beer at the apres event soiree.

  23. @RonFor the same reason you just use the DT cage when riding with one bidon on a bike with two cages. It just looks better. Aesthetics aside, it has practical implication as well I believe. The ST cage on my old bike would hit me in the back but I ride large enough frames to have clearance to the DT cage. That may be different thought for smaller frames.

    @itburns

    Again, a case of balancing out Rule compliance for the type of riding and course. The camelback was the result of Rule #83 and Rule #32 compromise.

  24. @theChaz Indeed, I think I’m picking up what you’re putting down and if so, it’s all true. But it’s veiled in passive aggression. You must be a Minnesotan as well.

    The HOTN site itself (linked to) and the video trailer for the race (linked too) are doing a fantastic job of spreading the good karma, stoke, beauty and community of this event. More power to Jeremy et al for all the work they do.

    But HOTN is, after all, a race over a course that’s designed to be a challenge. Races on challenging courses hurt and that hurt is as beautiful as the turning leaves on a warm autumn day in Minnesota. Better?

  25. @marko I’ve no idea about economics but I like the idea that pain is something that can have a value attached to it. Great looking race and I love that bike. Will we be seeing V branded bikes for sale in the gear or bikes sections?

  26. @marko

    Thanks for the clarification. Well said.

    And some nice guns, too, BTW ;-)

    Yes, I’m from MN.  In fact I was born and raised in Proctor (just outside Duluth).  If you drove up from the cities, you went within 1 mile of the house I grew up in.

    My take on the HOTN is that it’s a race AND a ride.  You made it in just over 6 hours, right?  There people on-course for 10.  They were not “racing”.

    I’ve considered doing HOTN next year.  I’d ride it as hard/fast as I can, but go for 6hrs?  Forget it.  I couldn’t ride a paved century in that kinda time, no way on dirt.  I’d probably shoot for 7.5 – 8.0 ;-).  The thing is, I still love that country enough to not give it up for some pain-fest.  If I want pain, I can climb Mt. Evans and save the plane fare.

  27. @Ron

    @King Clydesdale

    Thanks for the article about The V bank, my only contribution to this website of any value, other than my Rule #9 article. Well done.

    I’m considering taking my rain bike and converting to cross to ride some fire roads here, and hopefully try a cross race or two next year. I know I can replace the front four and get some cantilever brakes, however I’m pretty sure the 50 cm caad will not clear in the back. Is that correct?

    I have a few things to say here. If the bike is really a rain ride and you don’t care too much about losing it for that use, go for it. But, converting things always seems to get expensive quickly. Probably because I can never settle for so-so stuff. Many cx racers dump frames and parts after every season. I’d say check out the local races. Some folks bring old bikes to sell. Or get onto the local cx boards and check. And finally, some of the big box national dealers have very nice deals on some decent cx bikes, if you are just looking to get into it. Pardon my rudeness for bringing them up, but check performance, nashbar, excel, etc. They sometimes have full cx bikes or at least frames for very cheap.

    Good luck!

    I’m with Ron here – converting a road bike for CX is far from worth the effort because 1. 99.9% of the time it won’t work and 2. if somehow it did work it wouldn’t be cost effective.  If you can live with breaking Rule #58, Ron’s suggestion of picking up a cheap CX bike from one of the mail order companies is going to be your least expensive way of getting into racing with a dedicated bike. The absolute cheapest way, however, is to pick up a old mountain bike (most local race series allow mountain bikes as long as you don’t run bar ends).  Find one on Craigslist in your area that fits you, throw on some mountain pedals/shoes and go race.

  28. @theChaz cheers. You should totally set it as a goal. The training alone is worth it. I actually had to drive south to get to the race which is maybe why the beauty piece wasn’t included-I may take it for granted.

  29. Alright, I have calmed down enough to get through the entire article. Nice one, Marko! Really great stuff, especially all the awesome analogies. I’ve only been riding/racing off-road for a bit but it’s amazing to me how something so minor can make or break your deposits/withdrawals for the term. One misjudged line, take a corner too wide and hitting soft dirt or gravel, etc. And there goes the lead group. (I suppose this can happen in road riding too, when you don’t close a gap and suddenly you realize you should have closed it and your only option is to dip into your final reserves.) You can train and prep for weeks and then, poof, you bugger one thing and thar she goes. I guess it’s better than false starting in the Olympics on too many times and being DQed for four years.

    On another note, picked up an old New Yorker the other day to read at lunch . Happened to be an article on Alberto Salazar. Yes, one of them runners, but that guy has nearly killed himself a few times by running so deep into the pain cave. Had his temperature hit 107*F at the Falmouth road race. Also went unconscious for 14 minutes a few years back after a heart attack.

    Anyway, the article was about Pain-o-nomics and why/how some people go that deep. The author decided at the age of 13, when going too deep in a cross country race, that pushing that hard wasn’t for him.

    Which brings us to an interesting point: why do some folks choose to push the V-meter that far? It’s never fun, but why do some folks go for it and endure while others say No Fucking Way? Since we’re talking economics, I always wonder about how family background relates to athletic accomplishments. Seems that the best athletes tend to come from the more trying situations. Could be they have fewer options to get out and thus try harder, whereas the child from means can say Oh well, I’m going off to college and a job. Or, could be they’ve learned what it takes to make it from an early age.

    Nothing scientific at all here, just ruminating and seeing what others think.

  30. @Marko

    Riding the snow mobile trails on road shoes, that’s a man. Strong work. I bet running with the bike shouldered was less than awesome, but whenever you were on the bike, I bet it ruled.

    Did the Thursday pre-work CX ride with a few locals. Fuck my tits that’s fun. I really need to work on my remount. I go all Air Jordan every time, only Jordan doesn’t do a little half-skip. My remount is a combination of basketball, hopscotch, and ping-pong. Not a good combination.

    Jeff and Nick have these beautiful remounts that (a) leave me behind and (b) don’t raise their voice by an octave every time they do it. Interesting.

    I would comment on G’rilla’s remount, but he’s never been in front of me, so I’ve never seen it! BOOM!

  31. @frank

    I thought I would offer a free translation service for any non-Canadian listening to those videos. I picked this up while out in Canada last week:

    The “OO” sound is analogous to the “ou” you might hear in real English. And when they say, “stay safe” or “be careful oooot there” I kind of blank out because that doesn’t make sense. Nothing I’ve observed in Cyclocross seem to hold those concepts in any regard.

  32. @Marko

    There are many good reasons to do HOTN.  The training and challenge are just a couple. 

    The REAL challenge right now would be a bike and peeling off another 30 pounds in the next year.  If I could find a “decent” ‘cross bike, cheap, by spring, spend the summer riding dirt roads up in the mountians on weekends and get down to 190 pounds, I think I could do well.

    And it would be fun.

     

     

     

  33. @frank

    My remount is a combination of basketball, hopscotch, and ping-pong. Not a good combination.

    The problem with ping-pong: it’s hell on the balls.

  34. Frank – keep at it & be safe! Ha, me giving you any advice on cycling, or anything else! Oh, and cross practice with pals is amazing. Worrying about falling is much more fun than worrying about blowing up 30 km from home.

    You’re approaching that leap from much higher up on the planet than where I leap from, but just take it slowly and it’ll seem like second nature in no time.

    I had serious, serious reservations about leaping over and onto a bike saddle. “This will never work.” Now it seems like nothing. What I love about cx riding is that it has me focussed on so many things beyond, “How is my fitness?” That gets old. Roots, mud, sand, stones, leaps, shouldering…so much to process! I swear it’s like I’m cooking for a living again – my brain is forced to process so much at once that I swear both body/brain are being sharpened at once.

    Zach – ha! Just bought a house. Hope to find some space for a table tennis table. I love ping pong, balls be damned!

  35. @frank

    I would comment on G’rilla’s remount, but he’s never been in front of me, so I’ve never seen it! BOOM!

    Ouch!

    @others

    Ridiculously cheap cyclocross bikes are often posted to the CXMagazine forums. You can usually get a full bike of decent quality for $1,200 or less.

    http://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/forum/categories/1198434:Category:802/listForCategory

  36. A brand new TCX2 can be had for under $1,000

  37. @G’rilla

    My left foot hurts today. Kicking ass comes at a steep price.

  38. @frank

    @G’rilla

    My left foot hurts today. Kicking ass comes at a steep price.

    stop bouncing on that foot. so easy..not.

    took 2 years to learn the remount. committing on the first pass comes easiest if you do it super slow and repeat. and repeat and repeat. I saw a photo of a buddy mid remount which illustrated to me the airborne nature of the event. Every now and then i regress, and I return to doing a bunch of them slowly.

    Unless you are simply using ur left foot to kick g’rillas ass. And then we just toast you from pdx.

  39. @Marko thanks for the post. Sometimes a post just hits you in the right way at the right moment and for me this was it.  My KMs have been slacking a bit and I have been violating Rule #5 in getting back after it, but this article really inspired me to step it up bank some pain!

  40. I’ve managed to crash every single ride with the cx bike so far.  I’d say that’s a proper start?  Seriously though, what’s the trick to bomb down willy nilly trails with leaves, pine needles, soft mud, with both giant and small crushed rock?  A complete disregard for myself and the bike is probably one thing, but how can I do it without breaking any more fingers and climbing out of ditches after pitching myself off the main trail?

  41. Ready to do some Pain Philanthropy in my first CX race tomorrow. Bike has different wheels, mud tires, and a lot of good vibes. We’re all set.

    I also got the Jeremy Powers “Cross Camp” video; I’m surprised to say that in his section on “Pre Race Preparation” he made absolutely no mention of getting shitfaced and arriving at the start with a massive hangover. Maybe that’s in the more advanced editions.

    Gutted that the Richter wheels haven’t arrived yet. I feel utterly unprepared.

  42. @Marko Seems you made a non-lycra appearance as well in the Almanzo vid at 1:55, rocking the V tshirt.  Need to pick one of those up.  Always stand out in a sea of cotton tees

  43. A gravel series in Washington state. I missed this but hope to do the other two later this Summer.

    http://nathanyoung.tumblr.com/post/45353191175/gran-fondo-ephrata-2013

  44. @G’rilla

    Now that you’ve gotten into cross and MTB, would you say a standard road bike with tires selected for toughness would work for doing more off-road treks?

    I saw pictures of this ride a few days ago and I want to do it very badly in a few months. I think my bike would be OK for it, if I put some 25mm tires that can better handle offroad conditions.

    I ride Conti GP4000s which do fine on the “gravel” around here, but that is pretty limited. I’d hate to flat way out in the boonies.

  45. @mcsqueak The problems in gravel riding are cuts and pinch flatting. A tire with a tough sidewall or a self-healing sealant will help with the first. A larger volume tire will help with the second.

    I ride my cyclocross bike with 32mm tires on my gravel rides. I haven’t done much with 25mm tires on gravel, but I would go 25mm or 27mm if your frame will handle it.

  46. @mcsqueak

    @G’rilla

    I wouldnt be surprised if the bike could handle 28mm. Keep in mind that the bigger the tire the less air pressure you need, thats good for gravel. I wish we had some gravel to ride here.

  47. @G’rilla

    @mcsqueak The problems in gravel riding are cuts and pinch flatting. A tire with a tough sidewall or a self-healing sealant will help with the first. A larger volume tire will help with the second.

    I ride my cyclocross bike with 32mm tires on my gravel rides. I haven’t done much with 25mm tires on gravel, but I would go 25mm or 27mm if your frame will handle it.

    I current ride 25mm tires, as that’s all I can fit into the brake calipers that came with my bike, some sort of Shimano-105 knockoffs. If I replaced the calipers with something that can open larger, I’m sure I could get a bigger tire such as a 27mm in there…

  48. I picked this up last week, pretty bog standard at the moment (not sure how you guys feel about mech discs). Aim was to get a rain bike, and a second “roadie’ in the stable for my young fella to join me with a pair of slicks on. Took it on the grave’ yesterday. What a ball tearer – these things absolutely fly, (compared to my MTB)!

    You guys got me – I’m hooked. Coming from predominantly a MTB background, and spending more time on the road, I think I may have found my niche. Bring on the cross season down under – have to work on the running thingy though!

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