My daughter Leah’s #1. Leaning properly.

@frank

@Mike_P

@Chris

@strathlubnaig

@ped

@the Engine

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

sorry lads, try this place http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style

Or here.

This is a little dated but has some gems (as with cycling the basics are timeless) such as positioning of buttons for braces:

I recommend that you follow my example and have the buttons for the braces on the outside of the trousers at the front and on the inside at the back. If, like me, you remove your jacket when driving, you will find that this arrangement spares the leather seat of your Royce.

and zip flies:

A zip is a nasty thing, redolent of cheap suitcases and brightly coloured tents. A bespoke suit should have a button fly.

There is even a rules section.

And if you are wearing your suit jacket, and it’s a 3 button single breasted, English worsted, bespoke suit, as all gentlemen should wear, never ever on any account fasten the third, or lowest button.

All suit jackets should be double-vented as well. I take most of my sartorial advice from James Bond.

And make sure you cut out/remove the few stitches put in the vents to keep them in place whilst hanging in a store or the like. Won’t matter how nice the suit is if you go out without removing that stitching.

And don’t walk around with your fly open.

@Mike_P

@Chris

@strathlubnaig

@ped

@the Engine

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

sorry lads, try this place http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style

Or here.

This is a little dated but has some gems (as with cycling the basics are timeless) such as positioning of buttons for braces:

I recommend that you follow my example and have the buttons for the braces on the outside of the trousers at the front and on the inside at the back. If, like me, you remove your jacket when driving, you will find that this arrangement spares the leather seat of your Royce.

and zip flies:

A zip is a nasty thing, redolent of cheap suitcases and brightly coloured tents. A bespoke suit should have a button fly.

There is even a rules section.

And if you are wearing your suit jacket, and it’s a 3 button single breasted, English worsted, bespoke suit, as all gentlemen should wear, never ever on any account fasten the third, or lowest button.

All suit jackets should be double-vented as well. I take most of my sartorial advice from James Bond.

And make sure you cut out/remove the few stitches put in the vents to keep them in place whilst hanging in a store or the like. Won’t matter how nice the suit is if you go out without removing that stitching.

Guide for leaning on team car/bus or own car?

Doing it right as per No.4?

this might have been his entire season’s salary (or all that he actually received).  fucking exergy.  that team got bent over

Thank Merckx you and the Keepers give enough of a fuck to keep all our standards up.

Is that a fi’zi:k seat pin or did you just get one of their grommets and put it on someone else’s pin?

Back to the old FSA seat pin because I couldn’t get the damn shim to stop creaking. Blasted non-standard seat-pin diameter.

On the other hand, note how clean the drivetrain is, even post-ride.

@Nate

@frank I run 42 cm Rotundos, not these hipster douchebag things:

As a matter of simple geometry and gravity, I can’t set my bike against a vertical wall such that the saddle, inside hood and drivetrain all touch the wall.

Of course I see your point about Doing it Right, but that does not account for outside forces, such as toddlers, earthquakes, and the like.

It took a few days before I could muster enough “give a fuck” to snap these pictures of my bike leaning post-ride.

Facing out, you’ll see that the frame is not far from the wall when leaning properly.

Taken the other direction, its worse; the mech, even when shifted down to a low gear on the cluster, almost touches. Only a slight bit of inattention would result in smashing the mech against the wall.

Thank Merckx you and the Keepers give enough of a fuck to keep all our standards up.

Is that a fizik seat pin or did you just get one of their grommets and put it on someone else’s pin?

Lucky my car’s diesel engine is so loud it drowned out the laughter from others in the car park.

Figures those doping Rooskies would get it wrong. They probably saw the Big Board, too.

Doing it right as per No.4?

Right

Wrong

@frank I run 42 cm Rotundos, not these hipster douchebag things:

As a matter of simple geometry and gravity, I can’t set my bike against a vertical wall such that the saddle, inside hood and drivetrain all touch the wall.

Of course I see your point about Doing it Right, but that does not account for outside forces, such as toddlers, earthquakes, and the like.

It took a few days before I could muster enough “give a fuck” to snap these pictures of my bike leaning post-ride.

Facing out, you’ll see that the frame is not far from the wall when leaning properly.

Taken the other direction, its worse; the mech, even when shifted down to a low gear on the cluster, almost touches. Only a slight bit of inattention would result in smashing the mech against the wall.

@Flaccus

I don’t have to tell anyone that no tie has been made that’s long enough for me to do a full windsor, though I’ve dabbled in them when wearing a sweater as the sweater masks the fact the the tie is basically a bib at that point.

I find that with a cyclist’s build, a basic four-in-hand on a semi-narrow tie tied such that you have a dimple in the center gives a nice slender look with enough length (the tip of the tie goes to mid-buckle when *gasp* wearing a belt). When I was heavier, I always did a half windsor in order to make sure there was enough volume in the knot to make my neck look normal.

@pistard

Fantastic.

Aces! The four-in-hand that is. As an officer, it was just non-symmetrical enough to be casually deliberate and drove the CSM nutter. A gentleman does not worry about the knot, just the label!

Not sure if they come in French cuffs but I like the idea.

So, I have nothing to add to this conversation other than the last time i bought a suit there was a fancy, well lit, octagonal mirrored changing room. I ended up spending more time admiring the guns from all angles than looking at the suit. They looked fabulous.

@Tartan1749

@DerHoggz

@Chris

Not slim enough though, it really sucks.

I’m assuming you’ve tried them, then? Their extra slim fit is similar to Banana’s fitted shirts – slim enough for me (5’11″³, 32/33″³ waist, 160 lbs, and not muscular up top at all). If you want slimmer, then you might as well wear a jersey instead and stuff some high calorie snacks in the rear pockets. As Chris says, don’t buy them full price, but they offer deals all the time (I bought a shirt and got a free tie for $50).

I haven’t tried them no, which makes my post seem rash perhaps. The problem is I need a 15.5″³ neck but their shirts in that size are meant for a much larger chest. Even extra slim fit would have extra allowance on the chest size, so chances of it fitting are very “slim”. Not even in the ballpark for tailoring probably.

I’ve had Tyrwhitt shirts and also slim fit from Thomas Pink – the Pink ones are a little narrower and fitted I thik so maybe try them. It still won’t be the same as a tmade-to-measure shirt, however the TP slim-fit are the only off-the-peg shirts I can wear under a tailored suit.

CT used to be really brilliant online – great deals and super-fast orders – but I stopped using them after their service fell away dramatically and I had a couple of frustrating experiences with ordered items not being available and so on. I must have been one of their fairly early online customers, I guess around 1999-2000, and in those days they outshone anything else in terms of online shopping experience. They seemed to change their whole philosophy and setup, I assume to meet bigger demand and expansion, which was a pity. The quality has always been good though.

@DerHoggz

@Chris

Not slim enough though, it really sucks.

I’m assuming you’ve tried them, then? Their extra slim fit is similar to Banana’s fitted shirts – slim enough for me (5’11″³, 32/33″³ waist, 160 lbs, and not muscular up top at all). If you want slimmer, then you might as well wear a jersey instead and stuff some high calorie snacks in the rear pockets. As Chris says, don’t buy them full price, but they offer deals all the time (I bought a shirt and got a free tie for $50).

I haven’t tried them no, which makes my post seem rash perhaps.  The problem is I need a 15.5″ neck but their shirts in that size are meant for a much larger chest.  Even extra slim fit would have extra allowance on the chest size, so chances of it fitting are very “slim”.  Not even in the ballpark for tailoring probably.

@Ron One thing about ISPs is that they increase the cost of freight considerably because you need to ship a bigger box. Had that with Fuji Track Pros in NZ for a couple years when the Al frames had ISPs, and they were too expensive to bring into the country. Matters less to companies like Look and Time, which might still do it, but for mass producers of frames, you need a more compelling argument for it.

Never thought about this aspect. Thanks for the info!

My housemate just brought home an unwanted bike rack. Oh boy, now I need to build my bike shed, can just have all the steeds lined up, one after the other. Talk about a good starter for a bike workshop! It allows you to lean your bike by the rear wheel against a vertical bar, while it also cups the wheel between two flat bars.

@Chris

Not slim enough though, it really sucks.

I’m assuming you’ve tried them, then?  Their extra slim fit is similar to Banana’s fitted shirts – slim enough for me (5’11”, 32/33″ waist, 160 lbs, and not muscular up top at all).  If you want slimmer, then you might as well wear a jersey instead and stuff some high calorie snacks in the rear pockets.  As Chris says, don’t buy them full price, but they offer deals all the time (I bought a shirt and got a free tie for $50).

Not slim enough though, it really sucks.

Not bad prices if you get one of their four for £400 sales. They also do button cuff options for the proles.

However I have had some done elsewhere, plus shirts, and I have to say it is very similar to having a hand-built made-to-measure bike. It just feels so good.

You can have more expensive bikes/suits, faster bikes or flashier suits made by the top brands but nothing will ever feel so right and make you feel so good as one that has been built or cut just to fit you.

@Chris

A thin wool sweater over a shirt and tie is

when done correctly.

Sounds a bit effete and euro to me, bit like a Radio Schleck team launch. You’ll be sporting a man bag next.

@strathlubnaig

This is not a forum. It is a Community and communities have conversations.

that’s me telt.

@Chris

A thin wool sweater over a shirt and tie is

when done correctly.

That is not under a formal suit

A thin wool sweater over a shirt and tie is

when done correctly.

This is not a forum. It is a Community and communities have conversations.

full windsor… …I’ve dabbled in them when wearing a sweater…

surely only as a schoolboy?

Anyway, I appear to have accidentally stumbled into the wrong forum, mistakenly thought this was for cyclistes. ‘scuse me…

I don’t have to tell anyone that no tie has been made that’s long enough for me to do a full windsor, though I’ve dabbled in them when wearing a sweater as the sweater masks the fact the the tie is basically a bib at that point.

I find that with a cyclist’s build, a basic four-in-hand on a semi-narrow tie tied such that you have a dimple in the center gives a nice slender look with enough length (the tip of the tie goes to mid-buckle when *gasp* wearing a belt). When I was heavier, I always did a half windsor in order to make sure there was enough volume in the knot to make my neck look normal.

@pistard

Fantastic.

@the Engine

@Chris

@the Engine It’s a personal choice but I’m in the show some cuff camp. Ideally, match the amount of cuff to the amount of shirt collar you’re showing above your jacket at the back.

It’s a tricky one to get right if you don’t get your shirts made to measure along with your suits, suit sleeve length and width are just as crucial as the shirt’s dimensions. Watches can also fuck up the whole effect if they’re too big for the cuff. I can’t afford the bespoke route but you can get pretty close to a good result with decent quality and fitting shirts.

…and a double Windsor knot of course – not forgetting to bull those shoes…

what are you on about ? I must move in the wrong circles.

I don’t think you have to be camp to show your cuffs?! However, for the coolest of looks, the bull on the shoes must be smooth enough to see your face in it, and a similar effort on the outer side of the heel pieces shows added class.  I personally lie a half windsor too, to prevent the tie being too short for one’s torso – a little reminiscent of 70’s cop shows. Flaccus

@Dr C

Thanks @nickleggs – for me, this confirms Wiggo as the coolest person on the planet currently

Currently. But it wasn’t always so.

I had  a young cadet patient this morning who had never heard of John Hiatt so I played him this song as I could not let him go through life without knowing it and it instantly made me think of this bike throwing thread. 

Seems very apropos:  John Hiatt’s “Perfectly Good Guitar”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5begHSoQ1s

@Mike_P

I had an impulse to reply with my views on the etiquette of shaving (faces not guns) as we’re being all grooming conscious, but have managed to restrain myself as I’d bore the living daylights out of you all.

Ahem.

Brilliant. Took me a few secs to connect the dots on that pic.

I had an impulse to reply with my views on the etiquette of shaving (faces not guns) as we’re being all grooming conscious, but have managed to restrain myself as I’d bore the living daylights out of you all.

Ahem.

@sthilzy

@Dan_R

Anything better than a crate full of FMB?

Ah, Westvleteren, the finest of all the Trappists. Exceptionally strong work!

Had a tasting of this fine brew last Saturday evening, where it came up second against a 2007 Samichlaus. The Samichlaus is allegedly both the world’s strongest lager and the ‘world’s rarest beer’, which might be a good thing, given the Ministry of Silly Walks impression I inadvertently executed after drinking two of them in quick succession. Probably a poor choice for beer in the bidon.

My kids have started asking if they can have it. Tricky one, you can get away with a simple no most of the time but an outright ban might make it more attractive. Hopefully they’ll work it out that they’ll look like idiots when they’re wandering round with a constantly moving jaw looking as though they can’t manage joined up thought without moving parts.

Maybe I should tell them that I’ll be more lenient with underage drinking if they don’t chew gum.

@Mike_P

@Chris

@strathlubnaig

@ped

@the Engine

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket? It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

sorry lads, try this place http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style

Or here.This is a little dated but has some gems (as with cycling the basics are timeless) such as positioning of buttons for braces:

I recommend that you follow my example and have the buttons for the braces on the outside of the trousers at the front and on the inside at the back. If, like me, you remove your jacket when driving, you will find that this arrangement spares the leather seat of your Royce.

and zip flies:

A zip is a nasty thing, redolent of cheap suitcases and brightly coloured tents. A bespoke suit should have a button fly.

There is even a rules section.

And if you are wearing your suit jacket, and it’s a 3 button single breasted, English worsted, bespoke suit, as all gentlemen should wear, never ever on any account fasten the third, or lowest button.

All suit jackets should be double-vented as well. I take most of my sartorial advice from James Bond.

I had an impulse to reply with my views on the etiquette of shaving (faces not guns) as we’re being all grooming conscious, but have managed to restrain myself as I’d bore the living daylights out of you all.

@Mike_P

@Chris

@strathlubnaig

@ped

@the Engine

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

sorry lads, try this place http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style

Or here.

This is a little dated but has some gems (as with cycling the basics are timeless) such as positioning of buttons for braces:

I recommend that you follow my example and have the buttons for the braces on the outside of the trousers at the front and on the inside at the back. If, like me, you remove your jacket when driving, you will find that this arrangement spares the leather seat of your Royce.

and zip flies:

A zip is a nasty thing, redolent of cheap suitcases and brightly coloured tents. A bespoke suit should have a button fly.

There is even a rules section.

And if you are wearing your suit jacket, and it’s a 3 button single breasted, English worsted, bespoke suit, as all gentlemen should wear, never ever on any account fasten the third, or lowest button.

All suit jackets should be double-vented as well. I take most of my sartorial advice from James Bond.

More Connery awesomeness

@Chris

@strathlubnaig

@ped

@the Engine

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

sorry lads, try this place http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style

Or here.

This is a little dated but has some gems (as with cycling the basics are timeless) such as positioning of buttons for braces:

I recommend that you follow my example and have the buttons for the braces on the outside of the trousers at the front and on the inside at the back. If, like me, you remove your jacket when driving, you will find that this arrangement spares the leather seat of your Royce.

and zip flies:

A zip is a nasty thing, redolent of cheap suitcases and brightly coloured tents. A bespoke suit should have a button fly.

There is even a rules section.

And if you are wearing your suit jacket, and it’s a 3 button single breasted, English worsted, bespoke suit, as all gentlemen should wear, never ever on any account fasten the third, or lowest button.

All suit jackets should be double-vented as well. I take most of my sartorial advice from James Bond.

@Chris

@the Engine

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

@the Engine

…and a double Windsor knot of course – not forgetting to bull those shoes…

You work from home, don’t you?

A Windsor is fine if you’re wearing a regular weight tie and you’re skinny. If you go for a heavy tie your likely to end up with a knot size worthy or a premier league soccerist or an Essex estate agent. If you’ve got a fat neck like me, you’ll just end up with a tie that comes down just below your nipples. A half Windsor is much more forgiving to both tie weight and neck girth.

I work from home but am forced to regularly meet with clients in their premises – therefore I have to obey the Sartorial Rules in order not to be considered a hippy douche. One always wears a tie in which a double Windsor can be tied elegantly.

I enjoyed the Rule about keeping a portable telephone in the glove box in case one’s Royce declines to proceed.

And the gum chewing one. Gum, in my opinion, should be outlawed.

@strathlubnaig

@ped

@the Engine

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

sorry lads, try this place http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style

Or here.

This is a little dated but has some gems (as with cycling the basics are timeless) such as positioning of buttons for braces:

I recommend that you follow my example and have the buttons for the braces on the outside of the trousers at the front and on the inside at the back. If, like me, you remove your jacket when driving, you will find that this arrangement spares the leather seat of your Royce.

and zip flies:

A zip is a nasty thing, redolent of cheap suitcases and brightly coloured tents. A bespoke suit should have a button fly.

There is even a rules section.

There is so much fucking Awesome in there, I don’t know where to start or stop.

Curious how cuff length is affected when holding a BFG.

@strathlubnaig

@ped

@the Engine

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

sorry lads, try this place http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style

Or here.

This is a little dated but has some gems (as with cycling the basics are timeless) such as positioning of buttons for braces:

I recommend that you follow my example and have the buttons for the braces on the outside of the trousers at the front and on the inside at the back. If, like me, you remove your jacket when driving, you will find that this arrangement spares the leather seat of your Royce.

and zip flies:

A zip is a nasty thing, redolent of cheap suitcases and brightly coloured tents. A bespoke suit should have a button fly.

There is even a rules section.

And if you are wearing your suit jacket, and it’s a 3 button single breasted, English worsted, bespoke suit, as all gentlemen should wear, never ever on any account fasten the third, or lowest button.

@the Engine

@Bespoke

@the Engine

Holy Public Sector Workers Batman – that’s my shoe and bib combo right there

How the hell can you tell from that photo that those are your bibs? Please don’t say it’s because you recognize the chamois.

It is indeed because I recognise the chamois…

I hope you were wearing Assos F1.UnoS5 shorts then, as your chamois memory is brilliant. (memory foam?)

Shoes are Bont A1 if you were wondering!

Both items exactly the same as mine and you made the sort of gag of which I’d be proud…did you ever meet your real parents?

@Bespoke

@the Engine

Holy Public Sector Workers Batman – that’s my shoe and bib combo right there

How the hell can you tell from that photo that those are your bibs? Please don’t say it’s because you recognize the chamois.

It is indeed because I recognise the chamois…

I hope you were wearing Assos F1.UnoS5 shorts then, as your chamois memory is brilliant. (memory foam?)

Shoes are Bont A1 if you were wondering!

You must have a cyclists neck. Mine has retained it’s shape from my rugby playing youth. Whilst it limits the knots available to me, there are advantages to it, such as not having it snap so easily when carrying out high speed inverted dismounts from a downhill bike.

@the Engine

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

@the Engine

…and a double Windsor knot of course – not forgetting to bull those shoes…

You work from home, don’t you?

A Windsor is fine if you’re wearing a regular weight tie and you’re skinny. If you go for a heavy tie your likely to end up with a knot size worthy or a premier league soccerist or an Essex estate agent. If you’ve got a fat neck like me, you’ll just end up with a tie that comes down just below your nipples. A half Windsor is much more forgiving to both tie weight and neck girth.

I work from home but am forced to regularly meet with clients in their premises – therefore I have to obey the Sartorial Rules in order not to be considered a hippy douche. One always wears a tie in which a double Windsor can be tied elegantly.

I enjoyed the Rule about keeping a portable telephone in the glove box in case one’s Royce declines to proceed.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

@the Engine

…and a double Windsor knot of course – not forgetting to bull those shoes…

You work from home, don’t you?

A Windsor is fine if you’re wearing a regular weight tie and you’re skinny. If you go for a heavy tie your likely to end up with a knot size worthy or a premier league soccerist or an Essex estate agent. If you’ve got a fat neck like me, you’ll just end up with a tie that comes down just below your nipples. A half Windsor is much more forgiving to both tie weight and neck girth.

@ped

@the Engine

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

sorry lads, try this place http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style

Or here.

This is a little dated but has some gems (as with cycling the basics are timeless) such as positioning of buttons for braces:

I recommend that you follow my example and have the buttons for the braces on the outside of the trousers at the front and on the inside at the back. If, like me, you remove your jacket when driving, you will find that this arrangement spares the leather seat of your Royce.

and zip flies:

A zip is a nasty thing, redolent of cheap suitcases and brightly coloured tents. A bespoke suit should have a button fly.

There is even a rules section.

@Chris

@frank

@brett

Just goes to show that just cuz you run a bike shop doesn’t mean you know fuck all about bikes.

@TBONE

It should be noted that I’m rolling with cufflinks and my locally made full size umbrella today. One of my coworkers asked me ‘Who spends $80 on an umbrella?’ I shot back with ‘Someone without two kids.’ The topic was never broached again.

Good man. Here’s mine, a gift when I moved to Seattle.

Do you have to wear a hat and a special suit with that? You must look a right twot walking into the office with that in your commuting kit.

I do like a good brolly. Unfortunately, I keep leaving them on trains.

Speaking as an English man that is a very fine Brolly

If it wasn’t for my habit of leaving umbrellas on trains, I’d quite fancy one of these.

@the Engine

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

sorry lads, try this place http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style

@Chris

@the Engine It’s a personal choice but I’m in the show some cuff camp. Ideally, match the amount of cuff to the amount of shirt collar you’re showing above your jacket at the back.

It’s a tricky one to get right if you don’t get your shirts made to measure along with your suits, suit sleeve length and width are just as crucial as the shirt’s dimensions. Watches can also fuck up the whole effect if they’re too big for the cuff. I can’t afford the bespoke route but you can get pretty close to a good result with decent quality and fitting shirts.

…and a double Windsor knot of course – not forgetting to bull those shoes…

what are you on about ? I must move in the wrong circles.

@the Engine It’s a personal choice but I’m in the show some cuff camp. Ideally, match the amount of cuff to the amount of shirt collar you’re showing above your jacket at the back.

It’s a tricky one to get right if you don’t get your shirts made to measure along with your suits, suit sleeve length and width are just as crucial as the shirt’s dimensions. Watches can also fuck up the whole effect if they’re too big for the cuff. I can’t afford the bespoke route but you can get pretty close to a good result with decent quality and fitting shirts.

…and a double Windsor knot of course – not forgetting to bull those shoes…

It’s a tricky one to get right if you don’t get your shirts made to measure along with your suits, suit sleeve length and width are just as crucial as the shirt’s dimensions. Watches can also fuck up the whole effect if they’re too big for the cuff. I can’t afford the bespoke route but you can get pretty close to a good result with decent quality and fitting shirts.

@Chris

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

Around 1.5cm of finest linen cuff should show

@DerHoggz

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

Correct – although you must remember not to show your cuffs…

I’m going to argue against French cuffs with a suit. Save them for black tie and the higher-ups of Wall Street. Looks out of place otherwise.

Do you also keep lots of pens in your shirt pocket?

It’s fine if you’re going to wear a shit suit but if you take a bit of pride and your suit isn’t made out of man made fibres then not sporting double cuffs is a bit like spending a fortune on a bike and heading out in trainers and running shorts or drinking a decent wine from a plastic cup.

@Dan_R

Anything better than a crate full of FMB?

Ah, Westvleteren, the finest of all the Trappists. Exceptionally strong work!

@Dan_R

Anything better than a crate full of FMB?

+24!

@mouse, @strathlubnaig

@mouse I see where you are trying to go with this, but yes, Millar, despite being jockinese, was acting like a knob too. I understand your angle, but tools should not be abused either, regardless of your métier, be it an abseiler or a pro cycist. It does not make anyone look good.

Yes, they are throwing hissy fits, not being cool. Even Millar has learned to see the light, leaning his bike properly just prior to collapsing in a heap.

Regardless of your craft, losing your temper and throwing a fit is unprofessional, whether or not you also happen to be trying to win something.

He’s doing it wrong. Mech side is against wall.

Anything better than a crate full of FMB?

@frank

@brett

Just goes to show that just cuz you run a bike shop doesn’t mean you know fuck all about bikes.

@TBONE

It should be noted that I’m rolling with cufflinks and my locally made full size umbrella today. One of my coworkers asked me ‘Who spends $80 on an umbrella?’ I shot back with ‘Someone without two kids.’ The topic was never broached again.

Good man. Here’s mine, a gift when I moved to Seattle.

Do you have to wear a hat and a special suit with that? You must look a right twot walking into the office with that in your commuting kit.

I do like a good brolly. Unfortunately, I keep leaving them on trains.

Speaking as an English man that is a very fine Brolly

@mouse, @strathlubnaig

@mouse I see where you are trying to go with this, but yes, Millar, despite being jockinese, was acting like a knob too. I understand your angle, but tools should not be abused either, regardless of your métier, be it an abseiler or a pro cycist. It does not make anyone look good.

Yes, they are throwing hissy fits, not being cool. Even Millar has learned to see the light, leaning his bike properly just prior to collapsing in a heap.

Regardless of your craft, losing your temper and throwing a fit is unprofessional, whether or not you also happen to be trying to win something.

There’s a big difference between leaning your bike properly with great  reverence after it’s carried you to a silver medal in the world championships and suffering mild plot loss when your bike fails in a potentially winning position. It may not be right or look good but it’s completely understandable.

What do you want, a bit of uncontrolled passion or sportsmen in the mold of the other famous Scot, Misery Fucking Murray who’ll just mumble and moan cliched crap about not being on his best form?

@markpa When was the last time you took a debutante and thrashed her over the pave?

Just the thought of that leaves me needing a cigarette.

Also, I’ve always been fine with only the saddle as a contact point for leaning.  I don’t have quite the height of @frank or @xyxax, but being on the tall side, I often feel like a fucking sail flopping around in the wind.

Really well put. Do things properly. It is the finishing touches, the details, the pedantic, the precision, the effervescence of the V. Verve.

Full proper umbrella with wood carved handle purchased in Montreal from an Italian. Still ‘ave it too.

Oli has been around, or at least he is still posting comments on my FB.

And speaking of doing thing properly & Oli

https://m.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=330327633756637&id=219609484828453&set=a.252430468213021.56768.219609484828453&__user=1393430968

The Gesink photo on the Giant brings up a question I’ve had – have ISPs faded away (never caught on?)? It seemed like there used to be more of them.

Seems to be going away – very stiff and it turns out that the seat pin is not always a good place to have stiffness. I opted against the ISP on my new gravel rig mostly because it would never fit in a bike case.

@frank I see what you’re getting at here, but using a guy who is known for basically being unable to stay on his bike for more than 2 consecutive days (Gesink) probably won’t help your argument about your fit leading to better balance…

Espresso snorted! You’ll pay for that eventually!

@Alex

@frank you could add in another, a personal favourite of mine…

http://drunkcyclist.tumblr.com/post/11394812640/edwig-van-hooydonck-won-the-tour-of-flanders-twice

For the record I’m 6’5 and half Dutch. I reckon I know more about the wind than any short cyclist ever will.

We had a fucker of a wind every day on Keepers Tour. The line behind had a nice draft.

@mouse I see where you are trying to go with this, but yes, Millar, despite being jockinese, was acting like a knob too. I understand your angle, but tools should not be abused either, regardless of your métier, be it an abseiler or a pro cycist. It does not make anyone look good.

Yes, they are throwing hissy fits, not being cool. Even Millar has learned to see the light, leaning his bike properly just prior to collapsing in a heap.

Regardless of your craft, losing your temper and throwing a fit is unprofessional, whether or not you also happen to be trying to win something.

Damn, I’d only thought about the weight issue, never the wind issue, for you tall lads.

Aerodynamic nightmare, or Aeromare for short.  Lash me and the bike to the mast of catamaran and you could probably win the fucking America’s Cup or whatever they call it now.

But a tail wind, ah, I just unfurl the spinnakers and get a taste of what you fast guys feel.  Love it.

Damn, I’d only thought about the weight issue, never the wind issue, for you tall lads. Cycling is the one sport I’ve pursued where I’m perfectly happy to be the size I was dealt.

The Gesink photo on the Giant brings up a question I’ve had – have ISPs faded away (never caught on?)? It seemed like there used to be more of them.

I’ve got an ISP – kinda restricts Merckx like fine adjustment but otherwise does the job. I think some manufacturers are using the seat post for shock absorbing (again) and I’ve also noticed that the current incarnation of my Damocles (the Fenix) doesn’t have an ISP as an option.

The Gesink photo on the Giant brings up a question I’ve had – have ISPs faded away (never caught on?)? It seemed like there used to be more of them.

@Bespoke I’m pretty good.

Better than it would seem! Send pics if you can add another task to the mix.

http://drunkcyclist.tumblr.com/post/11394812640/edwig-van-hooydonck-won-the-tour-of-flanders-twice

For the record I’m 6’5 and half Dutch. I reckon I know more about the wind than any short cyclist ever will.

@RedRanger

@frank The beauty of living in AZ is that I don’t have to own a umbrella. I haven’t seen one in years.

Not to mention that I am driving a convertible with the top down right now while I work on my truck.

While I am jealous that you are already driving a convertible when we’ve just (hopefully) seen the last of snow for this year, what is even more impressive is that you can simultaneously drive your convertible, work on another vehicle and post to this site. I imagine you use your knees to steer the convertible but I’m not sure I can picture the whole scenario.

@the Engine

Holy Public Sector Workers Batman – that’s my shoe and bib combo right there

How the hell can you tell from that photo that those are your bibs? Please don’t say it’s because you recognize the chamois.

It is indeed because I recognise the chamois…

@markpa

Ryder and I are on the same page, and between us, half have won a Giro. So until you grow to a respectable length, you can go get fucked.

I’ll give you Ryder, but not Jens – he can do now wrong.

I’m 1.88, sure it was 1.9 but have spent too much time in the middle of a rugby scrum, which will have to approximate for a decent length.

and we all know that ended in tears

@frank The beauty of living in AZ is that I don’t have to own a umbrella. I haven’t seen one in years.

Not to mention that I am driving a convertible with the top down right now while I work on my truck.

@Chris yip, Wiggins parked the bike and is getting credit for it, but tbh he did not intend it this way, and I am sure he also threw a bike in a ditch in the TdF at some point, 2012 race I think. He has no regard for the Bike, or the poor Mechies who need to fix them. Bit of a knob.

I’m quietly flummoxed as to why we’re judging someone based on thier reaction to the fact that they’ve just lost a race that they were reasonably certain to win.  I sure as fuck wouldn’t be daintily placing it against the wall.

It’s racing.  Not high tea.  If the bikes not working and I’ve lost something that I’ve worked my guts out for and not seen my family for weeks for, the very last person I’d be considering is the mechanic, other that tearing him a new one.

The bike’s a tool.  Yes, we get all reverential n’ stuff.  They’re beautiful, etc, etc.  But they are just a tool to race on.  If your livlihood depends on winning races, you’d want to be sure that the tool won’t fail you.

Is Millarcopter also a knob?

@brett

Just goes to show that just cuz you run a bike shop doesn’t mean you know fuck all about bikes.

@TBONE

It should be noted that I’m rolling with cufflinks and my locally made full size umbrella today. One of my coworkers asked me ‘Who spends $80 on an umbrella?’ I shot back with ‘Someone without two kids.’ The topic was never broached again.

Good man. Here’s mine, a gift when I moved to Seattle.

You know how you know that someone is a transplant to the PNW? They own an umbrella. That is nice one though.

@Sauterelle

@frank

. If I were a woman, I’d be bangin’ hot.

 

you sound like you have spent some alone time in front of the mirror, Silence of the Lambs style. The VMH should get very worried if you ever tell say, “it puts the lotion on the skin…”