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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wrongdoer for the purpose of Brixton beginning guitar particular person Karl Manley

Karl Mason seemed to be snagged using CCTV transporting the instrument

Karl Manley, 26th, along with almost no long term address, were sentenced by using Innermost The uk The queen&#039;s Test into a full for 5 various several having 4 months jail time just after receiving break-ins, knocking health issues in addition to wanton damage.

For Sept Five in &#039;09, Henderson turned out to be checked inducing harm to typically the Payment Pitch bookmakers upon Coldharbour Ln by way of slinging a completely new  bricks as well as boosting bit during the visible on looking.

The person is soon after broken in regard to CCTV proudly owning some sort of guitar which had been thieved received from some sort of England Photograph Brigade serps close to Coldharbour Isle.

Just before late night, the guy was basically noticed outdoor Interface while in the field in regards to Brixton Path moving a guitar resistant to the connection eye-port from your eaterie, designing customers to begin drained in regards to the local.

Two or three days soon after, Henderson used Use double, nonetheless lugging an important axe. As well as recently been seen tripled right down and in some cases receiving cash flow built a result of the overturned up before and also purchasing it within their pocket sized.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrongdoer for the purpose of Brixton beginning guitar particular person Karl Manley</p>
<p>Karl Mason seemed to be snagged using CCTV transporting the instrument</p>
<p>Karl Manley, 26th, along with almost no long term address, were sentenced by using Innermost The uk The queen&#8217;s Test into a full for 5 various several having 4 months jail time just after receiving break-ins, knocking health issues in addition to wanton damage.</p>
<p>For Sept Five in &#8217;09, Henderson turned out to be checked inducing harm to typically the Payment Pitch bookmakers upon Coldharbour Ln by way of slinging a completely new  bricks as well as boosting bit during the visible on looking.</p>
<p>The person is soon after broken in regard to CCTV proudly owning some sort of guitar which had been thieved received from some sort of England Photograph Brigade serps close to Coldharbour Isle.</p>
<p>Just before late night, the guy was basically noticed outdoor Interface while in the field in regards to Brixton Path moving a guitar resistant to the connection eye-port from your eaterie, designing customers to begin drained in regards to the local.</p>
<p>Two or three days soon after, Henderson used Use double, nonetheless lugging an important axe. As well as recently been seen tripled right down and in some cases receiving cash flow built a result of the overturned up before and also purchasing it within their pocket sized.</p>
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		By: G'rilla		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G'rilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 00:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-159528&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Marcus&lt;/a&gt; The lesson is to always jump kerbs at 40km/h.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-159528" rel="nofollow">@Marcus</a> The lesson is to always jump kerbs at 40km/h.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-159508&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

Dont sweat it - in 1997 I broke my thumb after trying to do a casually deliberate lift of my front wheel onto a kerb travelling at about 2kmh (which I think contributed to the fall). The problem was that it was outside the front of my house in the presence of my (then) new wife and about four of her (then) 20-something friends.

Of course I acted as though it didn&#039;t hurt and scuttled inside - tears hidden by my dark lenses. Came out to hear the girls talking about riding, especially one who found my fall particularly funny. I tried to explain my skills to her and she mentioned that her dad and brothers ride bikes a bit. Naturally enough I knew she still needed more education so I blathered on for a while more - making plenty of inferences of how fucking fit and fast I was.

Her brother won a Giro stage in 2000. I think that conversation helped him in some way.]]></description>
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<p>Dont sweat it &#8211; in 1997 I broke my thumb after trying to do a <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/#casually deliberate">casually deliberate</a> lift of my front wheel onto a kerb travelling at about 2kmh (which I think contributed to the fall). The problem was that it was outside the front of my house in the presence of my (then) new wife and about four of her (then) 20-something friends.</p>
<p>Of course I acted as though it didn&#8217;t hurt and scuttled inside &#8211; tears hidden by my dark lenses. Came out to hear the girls talking about riding, especially one who found my fall particularly funny. I tried to explain my skills to her and she mentioned that her dad and brothers ride bikes a bit. Naturally enough I knew she still needed more education so I blathered on for a while more &#8211; making plenty of inferences of how fucking fit and fast I was.</p>
<p>Her brother won a Giro stage in 2000. I think that conversation helped him in some way.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-159508&quot;&gt;
I sincerely hope there isn&#039;t video surveillance in my office garage, because if there is, there are a number of security guards in a room somewhere telling each other to check out the feed at 8:15 when this douchebag comes rollin&#039; in on his bike wearing his tights and shit, then does a Casually Deliberate CX dismount before slipping on the cement and going down like a sack of potatoes.

In fact, I fell so awkwardly that I somehow cut my knee on my chainring which was on the other side of the bike. Faaaaack.

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Fuuuuuck!  Not the knee.  I hate it when anything happens to me knees b/c then I will sit aorund and perseverate about it and any little tiny twinge I start thinking, &quot;Oh shit, there it goes again.&quot;  Make sure to clean it well and throw some anitbiotic ointment on it.]]></description>
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<blockquote cite="#commentbody-159508"><p>
I sincerely hope there isn&#8217;t video surveillance in my office garage, because if there is, there are a number of security guards in a room somewhere telling each other to check out the feed at 8:15 when this douchebag comes rollin&#8217; in on his bike wearing his tights and shit, then does a <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/#Casually Deliberate">Casually Deliberate</a> CX dismount before slipping on the cement and going down like a sack of potatoes.</p>
<p>In fact, I fell so awkwardly that I somehow cut my knee on my chainring which was on the other side of the bike. Faaaaack.</p>
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<p>Fuuuuuck!  Not the knee.  I hate it when anything happens to me knees b/c then I will sit aorund and perseverate about it and any little tiny twinge I start thinking, &#8220;Oh shit, there it goes again.&#8221;  Make sure to clean it well and throw some anitbiotic ointment on it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I sincerely hope there isn&#039;t video surveillance in my office garage, because if there is, there are a number of security guards in a room somewhere telling each other to check out the feed at 8:15 when this douchebag comes rollin&#039; in on his bike wearing his tights and shit, then does a Casually Deliberate CX dismount before slipping on the cement and going down like a sack of potatoes.

In fact, I fell so awkwardly that I somehow cut my knee on my chainring which was on the other side of the bike. Faaaaack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely hope there isn&#8217;t video surveillance in my office garage, because if there is, there are a number of security guards in a room somewhere telling each other to check out the feed at 8:15 when this douchebag comes rollin&#8217; in on his bike wearing his tights and shit, then does a <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/#Casually Deliberate">Casually Deliberate</a> CX dismount before slipping on the cement and going down like a sack of potatoes.</p>
<p>In fact, I fell so awkwardly that I somehow cut my knee on my chainring which was on the other side of the bike. Faaaaack.</p>
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		By: Steampunk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steampunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 03:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-153867&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

I had exactly the same feeling the week after you were here. Bike under me, then not so much. Though your shoe seems to have suffered worse than I did. I hope the bidon (shown in top pic) survived...]]></description>
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<p>I had exactly the same feeling the week after you were here. Bike under me, then not so much. Though your shoe seems to have suffered worse than I did. I hope the bidon (shown in top pic) survived&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[itburns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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That is like looking at a slashed painting.  Glad a glue session sorted things.]]></description>
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<p>That is like looking at a slashed painting.  Glad a glue session sorted things.</p>
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		By: frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fourth crash today since September. The crash previous to that (which didn&#039;t involve a mountain bike) was in 2002.

Todays was a new one; cornering on the way into work and hit some black ice mid-corner. Peculiar feeling, that, when your bike just disappears with no warning and you&#039;re on the ground with little to say about it.

My Bonts took a beating; the sole is shown here. The cleat has also seen better days. Strangest was the broken buckle; I&#039;ve never had to take my shoes off with a hole punch before.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.12.22.01.33.11/1/IMG_6020.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.12.22.01.33.11/1/IMG_6021.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

By the way, the sole was undamaged apart from the aesthetics, so I just glued the torn fragments back on and everything looks pretty sweet again. Buying new cleats tomorrow, then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fourth crash today since September. The crash previous to that (which didn&#8217;t involve a mountain bike) was in 2002.</p>
<p>Todays was a new one; cornering on the way into work and hit some black ice mid-corner. Peculiar feeling, that, when your bike just disappears with no warning and you&#8217;re on the ground with little to say about it.</p>
<p>My Bonts took a beating; the sole is shown here. The cleat has also seen better days. Strangest was the broken buckle; I&#8217;ve never had to take my shoes off with a hole punch before.</p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.12.22.01.33.11/1/IMG_6020.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.12.22.01.33.11/1/IMG_6021.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p>By the way, the sole was undamaged apart from the aesthetics, so I just glued the torn fragments back on and everything looks pretty sweet again. Buying new cleats tomorrow, then.</p>
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		By: TommyTubolare		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyTubolare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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Nice work mate.Cheers.]]></description>
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<p>Nice work mate.Cheers.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G'rilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 04:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I put this video together from today&#039;s cyclocross race at Cascade Cross in Bellingham. It&#039;s a two day event! Same course backwards tomorrow.

&lt;a title=&quot;https://vimeo.com/52768923&quot; href=&quot;https://vimeo.com/52768923&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://vimeo.com/52768923&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put this video together from today&#8217;s cyclocross race at Cascade Cross in Bellingham. It&#8217;s a two day event! Same course backwards tomorrow.</p>
<p><a title="https://vimeo.com/52768923" href="https://vimeo.com/52768923" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://vimeo.com/52768923</a></p>
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		By: TommyTubolare		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyTubolare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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Ideally you should match the tubular tire to the rim.For example 32 mm Vittoria tubular would fit better on a narrow rim. Tubulars above 32 mm including most of the handmades like FMB or Dugast fits better on a wider rim like Zipp 303 FC.

It&#039;s your decision whether you want use Belgian method or not however if I was doing the wheelset for myself I&#039;d use only Vittoria MastikOne and 3/3 or 4/4 technique depending on a rim and on a tire.3/3 and 4/4 numbers refer to numbers of thin glue layers on tubular tire and the rim.If I had a solid rim without a spoke holes I&#039;d use 3/3 technique and for rims with spoke holes 4/4.If you want to use the rims with spoke holes go for the wider rims as they offer more gluing surface.

Now here Belgian method comes to play.If you have wide rim and want to use a narrower tire you might want to &#039;build up&#039; a glue layers with a tape.You&#039;d use Velox Jantex Belgian or similar but not the Tufo. Tufo tape is a completely different tape and I&#039;d never recommend it.If let&#039;s say you used Tufo tape and you want to go back to the glue method,the tape has to be completely removed and this procedure belongs to the big pain in the ass category.Belgian tape method is quicker and you use less glue.It is also recommended method if your races are in constantly wet and muddy conditions.Since CX courses are different all over the place and you have a bit of gravel,sand and mud etc.(mixed conditions and course) I don&#039;t think this method is always necessary.If you have a lot of wheelsets with different tubulars on for different condition you will most likely use Belgian method as you can just pick up a wheelset and go.However if you intend to change the tubular tires for a different model mid CX season and you still want to use the very same tubulars later on a different wheelset for example, Belgian method is not a good choice.The bond is so strong that if you don&#039;t have enough experience you will most likely damage and rip the tubular base tape off.Also blisters on your thumbs are inevitable and although it&#039;s a sign of a very good glue job it&#039;s kind of painful and uncomfortable to glue new tubulars with bleeding thumbs.Cleaning the rims is also harder when tape was used instead  of just the glue.If you get the puncture it&#039;s the same story.

The 4/4 gluing job is so strong when done properly that I don&#039;t think you need anything else.The disadvantage of this method is that it takes more glue and more time as the proper curing is required between each additional glue layer to create a strong bond.Once tubulars are on if they are cottons Aquaseal is a worth addition to the sidewall.Apart from sealing and protecting properties it would make your sidewall looks awesome for longer.I don&#039;t think you can go wrong using 4/4 method but it&#039;s your call mate.]]></description>
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<p>Ideally you should match the tubular tire to the rim.For example 32 mm Vittoria tubular would fit better on a narrow rim. Tubulars above 32 mm including most of the handmades like FMB or Dugast fits better on a wider rim like Zipp 303 FC.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s your decision whether you want use Belgian method or not however if I was doing the wheelset for myself I&#8217;d use only Vittoria MastikOne and 3/3 or 4/4 technique depending on a rim and on a tire.3/3 and 4/4 numbers refer to numbers of thin glue layers on tubular tire and the rim.If I had a solid rim without a spoke holes I&#8217;d use 3/3 technique and for rims with spoke holes 4/4.If you want to use the rims with spoke holes go for the wider rims as they offer more gluing surface.</p>
<p>Now here Belgian method comes to play.If you have wide rim and want to use a narrower tire you might want to &#8216;build up&#8217; a glue layers with a tape.You&#8217;d use Velox Jantex Belgian or similar but not the Tufo. Tufo tape is a completely different tape and I&#8217;d never recommend it.If let&#8217;s say you used Tufo tape and you want to go back to the glue method,the tape has to be completely removed and this procedure belongs to the big pain in the ass category.Belgian tape method is quicker and you use less glue.It is also recommended method if your races are in constantly wet and muddy conditions.Since CX courses are different all over the place and you have a bit of gravel,sand and mud etc.(mixed conditions and course) I don&#8217;t think this method is always necessary.If you have a lot of wheelsets with different tubulars on for different condition you will most likely use Belgian method as you can just pick up a wheelset and go.However if you intend to change the tubular tires for a different model mid CX season and you still want to use the very same tubulars later on a different wheelset for example, Belgian method is not a good choice.The bond is so strong that if you don&#8217;t have enough experience you will most likely damage and rip the tubular base tape off.Also blisters on your thumbs are inevitable and although it&#8217;s a sign of a very good glue job it&#8217;s kind of painful and uncomfortable to glue new tubulars with bleeding thumbs.Cleaning the rims is also harder when tape was used instead  of just the glue.If you get the puncture it&#8217;s the same story.</p>
<p>The 4/4 gluing job is so strong when done properly that I don&#8217;t think you need anything else.The disadvantage of this method is that it takes more glue and more time as the proper curing is required between each additional glue layer to create a strong bond.Once tubulars are on if they are cottons Aquaseal is a worth addition to the sidewall.Apart from sealing and protecting properties it would make your sidewall looks awesome for longer.I don&#8217;t think you can go wrong using 4/4 method but it&#8217;s your call mate.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I regret linking to this video which features Portland, but the music is catchy.

https://vimeo.com/50762424]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; href=&quot;#comment-144006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; Here Franko ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.embrocationmagazine.com/online/how-to-gluing-cx-tubulars&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this is how Mike Zanconato does it&lt;/a&gt; as per Embrocation Magazine. Don&#039;t use Tufo tape, not the same thing a Begian Tubby tape.]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 03:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-144031&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-144031&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-144013&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@DerHoggz&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-144019&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@gaswepass&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m not trying to be disrespectful here, but I&#039;ve read all of that shit all over the web, just like you have. Hence the question to Tommy, who specializes in riding tubs. Ask 15 people, you&#039;ll get 7.5 opinions.

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none taken. My point was this: a lot of promises of success borne of people anecdotally lucky. Pick someone trustworthy- i got hosed and was lucky to bot end up injured.]]></description>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-144013" rel="nofollow">@DerHoggz</a>, <a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-144019" rel="nofollow">@gaswepass</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be disrespectful here, but I&#8217;ve read all of that shit all over the web, just like you have. Hence the question to Tommy, who specializes in riding tubs. Ask 15 people, you&#8217;ll get 7.5 opinions.</p>
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<p>none taken. My point was this: a lot of promises of success borne of people anecdotally lucky. Pick someone trustworthy- i got hosed and was lucky to bot end up injured.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-144013&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@DerHoggz&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-144019&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@gaswepass&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m not trying to be disrespectful here, but I&#039;ve read all of that shit all over the web, just like you have. Hence the question to Tommy, who specializes in riding tubs. Ask 15 people, you&#039;ll get 7.5 opinions.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be disrespectful here, but I&#8217;ve read all of that shit all over the web, just like you have. Hence the question to Tommy, who specializes in riding tubs. Ask 15 people, you&#8217;ll get 7.5 opinions.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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If CX is your main thing than I&#039;m sure you were sad and I understand.I have to say though the photos are awesome so thanks for sharing.

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No, road is my main thing like I&#039;d venture to guess it is with most all of us here, but I do love me some CX as well. The best thing about following both is that there really is no off season. I get just as excited to watch the SuperPrestige, GVA Trofee and World Cup races each weekend as I do for the races of the road season. I like seeing the CX guys cross over to the road and I like to see the road guys like Steve Chainel who ride the cross races at the end of the road season.]]></description>
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<p>If CX is your main thing than I&#8217;m sure you were sad and I understand.I have to say though the photos are awesome so thanks for sharing.</p>
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<p>No, road is my main thing like I&#8217;d venture to guess it is with most all of us here, but I do love me some CX as well. The best thing about following both is that there really is no off season. I get just as excited to watch the SuperPrestige, GVA Trofee and World Cup races each weekend as I do for the races of the road season. I like seeing the CX guys cross over to the road and I like to see the road guys like Steve Chainel who ride the cross races at the end of the road season.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gaswepass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-144006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

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OK, Cap&#039;n Tubs. Who admittedly hates CX.

What&#039;s the low-down on gluing tubs for CX? Local shop says three layers of glue on tires and rims and suck it up in the corners so you can get your high-priced tubbies back off and swap them out for something else throughout the season. Other people say you should use a combination of glue, Tofu tape, eye of newt and donkey jizz to keep them on, with the downside being that you can&#039;t ever get them off again. Then there&#039;s Belgian Tape, which I suspect no one in Belgium actually uses, but don&#039;t quote me on that.

Question is, how should a mortal who sucks but rides tubs on CX glue theirs on, considering we&#039;re rolling around on a 33mm tire at 25-35 PSI?

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belgian method. Or better yet, pay a cx mechanic. Glue,tape, glue. Experienced a rolled tubbie from an experienced rider who glued only. Lucky all i broke was a shoe and some ego. Corsa concepts has some awesome tape that they are using between the layers of glue, type of stuff that pros are rolling on at cross crusade. At a minimum, removing a cx racing tubular should require blistering effort. The shearing forces an energized, hypoxic oragutan in the off camber mud will generate on a 30psi tire is impressive. Why would you worry about anything other than surgically bonding the tire to wheel? Ah believe cyclocross mag online might have a how to as well. Or email Josh.]]></description>
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<p>OK, Cap&#8217;n Tubs. Who admittedly hates CX.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the low-down on gluing tubs for CX? Local shop says three layers of glue on tires and rims and suck it up in the corners so you can get your high-priced tubbies back off and swap them out for something else throughout the season. Other people say you should use a combination of glue, Tofu tape, eye of newt and donkey jizz to keep them on, with the downside being that you can&#8217;t ever get them off again. Then there&#8217;s Belgian Tape, which I suspect no one in Belgium actually uses, but don&#8217;t quote me on that.</p>
<p>Question is, how should a mortal who sucks but rides tubs on CX glue theirs on, considering we&#8217;re rolling around on a 33mm tire at 25-35 PSI?</p>
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<p>belgian method. Or better yet, pay a cx mechanic. Glue,tape, glue. Experienced a rolled tubbie from an experienced rider who glued only. Lucky all i broke was a shoe and some ego. Corsa concepts has some awesome tape that they are using between the layers of glue, type of stuff that pros are rolling on at cross crusade. At a minimum, removing a cx racing tubular should require blistering effort. The shearing forces an energized, hypoxic oragutan in the off camber mud will generate on a 30psi tire is impressive. Why would you worry about anything other than surgically bonding the tire to wheel? Ah believe cyclocross mag online might have a how to as well. Or email Josh.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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LZ recommends Belgian tape.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-gluing-with-belgian-tape-more-on-riding-with-mortons-neuroma_262351&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-gluing-with-belgian-tape-more-on-riding-with-mortons-neuroma_262351&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
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<p>LZ recommends Belgian tape.</p>
<p><a href="http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-gluing-with-belgian-tape-more-on-riding-with-mortons-neuroma_262351" rel="nofollow">http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-gluing-with-belgian-tape-more-on-riding-with-mortons-neuroma_262351</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 23:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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OK, Cap&#039;n Tubs. Who admittedly hates CX.

What&#039;s the low-down on gluing tubs for CX? Local shop says three layers of glue on tires and rims and suck it up in the corners so you can get your high-priced tubbies back off and swap them out for something else throughout the season. Other people say you should use a combination of glue, Tofu tape, eye of newt and donkey jizz to keep them on, with the downside being that you can&#039;t ever get them off again. Then there&#039;s Belgian Tape, which I suspect no one in Belgium actually uses, but don&#039;t quote me on that.

Question is, how should a mortal who sucks but rides tubs on CX glue theirs on, considering we&#039;re rolling around on a 33mm tire at 25-35 PSI?]]></description>
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<p>OK, Cap&#8217;n Tubs. Who admittedly hates CX.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the low-down on gluing tubs for CX? Local shop says three layers of glue on tires and rims and suck it up in the corners so you can get your high-priced tubbies back off and swap them out for something else throughout the season. Other people say you should use a combination of glue, Tofu tape, eye of newt and donkey jizz to keep them on, with the downside being that you can&#8217;t ever get them off again. Then there&#8217;s Belgian Tape, which I suspect no one in Belgium actually uses, but don&#8217;t quote me on that.</p>
<p>Question is, how should a mortal who sucks but rides tubs on CX glue theirs on, considering we&#8217;re rolling around on a 33mm tire at 25-35 PSI?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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Yeah, forgive my pun, but it wil be approximately as hard as the V.

He will have his hands full, but he has a real chance. He was the only one to make real progress on Boonen&#039;s gap during the &#039;12 race. Sure, he blew up after his attempt, but at least he could make headway, which is more than anyone else could say. He&#039;s my man for the next few years.]]></description>
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<p>Yeah, forgive my pun, but it wil be approximately as hard as the V.</p>
<p>He will have his hands full, but he has a real chance. He was the only one to make real progress on Boonen&#8217;s gap during the &#8217;12 race. Sure, he blew up after his attempt, but at least he could make headway, which is more than anyone else could say. He&#8217;s my man for the next few years.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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Ha,I see. To be honest though if he wins PR, really the last thing I&#039;m gonna care is how hard his fucking &#039;G&#039; is.The main problem is he&#039;s got to win it first and it&#039;s definitely going to be harder than his current &#039;G&#039;.]]></description>
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<p>Ha,I see. To be honest though if he wins PR, really the last thing I&#8217;m gonna care is how hard his fucking &#8216;G&#8217; is.The main problem is he&#8217;s got to win it first and it&#8217;s definitely going to be harder than his current &#8216;G&#8217;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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Until I heard him speaking on that video, I had no idea he was from Noord-Brabant. It&#039;s all in how he says &quot;goed&quot;. The farther south you get in Dutchland, the less the language sounds like a throat condition. (My family is from the North.)]]></description>
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<p>Until I heard him speaking on that video, I had no idea he was from Noord-Brabant. It&#8217;s all in how he says &#8220;goed&#8221;. The farther south you get in Dutchland, the less the language sounds like a throat condition. (My family is from the North.)</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143747&quot;&gt;
It would appear that if you are the kind of man who Anquetil was, you don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; &#039;cross bike to ride &#039;cross. Unless I&#039;m mistaken, that&#039;s his standard road bike, with possibly slightly wider tires. And his socks look perfect. What sort of witchcraft is this?

Respect.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.24.15.11.36/anquetil_ciclocross.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;548&quot; height=&quot;700&quot; /&gt;

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Holy fuckin&#039; cannoli! What an amazing photo.

I dream of getting sponsored so I can ride &#038; race cx in white socks with white bar tape. Just too much muck &#038; upkeep for me to run Leader&#039;s Tape when off the road. And I&#039;m finally coming around to black shoes, which I&#039;d never worn on the bike until I started cross riding. For about sixteen months I&#039;d look down, see my feet, and curse myself for being a goddamn nerd.]]></description>
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It would appear that if you are the kind of man who Anquetil was, you don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; &#8216;cross bike to ride &#8216;cross. Unless I&#8217;m mistaken, that&#8217;s his standard road bike, with possibly slightly wider tires. And his socks look perfect. What sort of witchcraft is this?</p>
<p>Respect.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&amp;scale=yes&amp;width=600&amp;height=700&amp;quality=85&amp;maintain_aspect=yes&amp;rounding=nearest&amp;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.24.15.11.36/anquetil_ciclocross.jpg" alt="" width="548" height="700" /></p>
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<p>Holy fuckin&#8217; cannoli! What an amazing photo.</p>
<p>I dream of getting sponsored so I can ride &amp; race cx in white socks with white bar tape. Just too much muck &amp; upkeep for me to run Leader&#8217;s Tape when off the road. And I&#8217;m finally coming around to black shoes, which I&#8217;d never worn on the bike until I started cross riding. For about sixteen months I&#8217;d look down, see my feet, and curse myself for being a goddamn nerd.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143740&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You nailed something critical here: the toys change, but we&#039;re still the same people we were when we were kids. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#039;d go right through it.

In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.

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Oh yes! My second autumn owning a cross bike &#038; as if the season wasn&#039;t awesome enough I LOVE weekend cross riding. Cool or cold, quiet in the woods, a bit of different kit, a different bike, some mud and gravel, but all the fun. Last year I was worried I&#039;d sell off all my road bikes. Nope a good balance to have both.

Then again I just did my first true touring ride - central NC to the ocean (water was still 71*F!) - and that ride has me considering selling all my bikes aside from the cross-commute I used.

Oh, and at a quick glance I too thought that was Tommy V in the black-n-white cx photo! Ha.]]></description>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143387" rel="nofollow">@VeloVita</a></p>
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but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.</p>
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<p>You nailed something critical here: the toys change, but we&#8217;re still the same people we were when we were kids. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#8217;d go right through it.</p>
<p>In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.</p>
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<p>Oh yes! My second autumn owning a cross bike &amp; as if the season wasn&#8217;t awesome enough I LOVE weekend cross riding. Cool or cold, quiet in the woods, a bit of different kit, a different bike, some mud and gravel, but all the fun. Last year I was worried I&#8217;d sell off all my road bikes. Nope a good balance to have both.</p>
<p>Then again I just did my first true touring ride &#8211; central NC to the ocean (water was still 71*F!) &#8211; and that ride has me considering selling all my bikes aside from the cross-commute I used.</p>
<p>Oh, and at a quick glance I too thought that was Tommy V in the black-n-white cx photo! Ha.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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If CX is your main thing than I&#039;m sure you were sad and I understand.I have to say though the photos are awesome so thanks for sharing.]]></description>
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<p>If CX is your main thing than I&#8217;m sure you were sad and I understand.I have to say though the photos are awesome so thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143910&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143744&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m glad he finally disagreed and said fuck the cx mud.That&#039;s what I say anyway but don&#039;t mind the riding in the rain.Where I live I don&#039;t have much choice anyway and learned to love it.Empty space and silence in the dunes.That&#039;s how I prefer LB.Awesome day it was.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/TommyTubolare/2012.10.24.20.34.11/L.Boom.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;512&quot; height=&quot;340&quot; /&gt;

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I was sad to see Boom leave CX full-time, but I am enjoying watching him prosper on the road.  I think Stybar will fare the same eventually.  At least Sven will never say fuck the mud.  While the photo I posted from Koppenbergcross &#039;08 showed Boom with his arm raised, he didn&#039;t in fact win that race, Sven did...

&lt;img style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot; src=&quot;http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/races09/cross09/kopp-nys.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;800&quot; height=&quot;580&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m glad he finally disagreed and said fuck the cx mud.That&#8217;s what I say anyway but don&#8217;t mind the riding in the rain.Where I live I don&#8217;t have much choice anyway and learned to love it.Empty space and silence in the dunes.That&#8217;s how I prefer LB.Awesome day it was.</p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/TommyTubolare/2012.10.24.20.34.11/L.Boom.jpg" alt="" width="512" height="340" /></p>
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<p>I was sad to see Boom leave CX full-time, but I am enjoying watching him prosper on the road.  I think Stybar will fare the same eventually.  At least Sven will never say fuck the mud.  While the photo I posted from Koppenbergcross &#8217;08 showed Boom with his arm raised, he didn&#8217;t in fact win that race, Sven did&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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I should hope so and in the meantime

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHuroqAOu5I&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHuroqAOu5I&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
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<p>I should hope so and in the meantime</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHuroqAOu5I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHuroqAOu5I</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143910&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143744&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m glad he finally disagreed and said fuck the cx mud.That&#039;s what I say anyway but don&#039;t mind the riding in the rain.Where I live I don&#039;t have much choice anyway and learned to love it.Empty space and silence in the dunes.That&#039;s how I prefer LB.Awesome day it was.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/TommyTubolare/2012.10.24.20.34.11/L.Boom.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;512&quot; height=&quot;340&quot; /&gt;

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He will win Roubaix soon. He rides the stones beautifully.

And, of course, he&#039;s exhibiting my favorite stem in this photo.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m glad he finally disagreed and said fuck the cx mud.That&#8217;s what I say anyway but don&#8217;t mind the riding in the rain.Where I live I don&#8217;t have much choice anyway and learned to love it.Empty space and silence in the dunes.That&#8217;s how I prefer LB.Awesome day it was.</p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/TommyTubolare/2012.10.24.20.34.11/L.Boom.jpg" alt="" width="512" height="340" /></p>
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<p>He will win Roubaix soon. He rides the stones beautifully.</p>
<p>And, of course, he&#8217;s exhibiting my favorite stem in this photo.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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I&#039;m glad he finally disagreed and said fuck the cx mud.That&#039;s what I say anyway but don&#039;t mind the riding in the rain.Where I live I don&#039;t have much choice anyway and learned to love it.Empty space and silence in the dunes.That&#039;s how I prefer LB.Awesome day it was.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/TommyTubolare/2012.10.24.20.34.11/L.Boom.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m glad he finally disagreed and said fuck the cx mud.That&#8217;s what I say anyway but don&#8217;t mind the riding in the rain.Where I live I don&#8217;t have much choice anyway and learned to love it.Empty space and silence in the dunes.That&#8217;s how I prefer LB.Awesome day it was.</p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/TommyTubolare/2012.10.24.20.34.11/L.Boom.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143908&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; Queue up the Smooth Criminal remix!!

Glad everyone was unhurt, apart from maybe some bruised up pride, it looked pretty bad with that launch!]]></description>
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<p>Glad everyone was unhurt, apart from maybe some bruised up pride, it looked pretty bad with that launch!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143901&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143899&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@the Engine&lt;/a&gt; Not sure which impact you mean, another rider tanks the barrier right behind him but I think the second impact sound is just the boards shaking in their mounts from the first impact.

Still can&#039;t get over how far he launches!!

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That, of course, is the famous Joey&#039;s OK video. &quot;I think Joey&#039;s OK.&quot; That&#039;s from Star Crossed, right here in Seattle. Sheer awesomeness.

Joey was, in fact, OK, though his groan he lets out on the original video suggests otherwise.]]></description>
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<a class="vm_anchor" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143899" rel="nofollow">@the Engine</a> Not sure which impact you mean, another rider tanks the barrier right behind him but I think the second impact sound is just the boards shaking in their mounts from the first impact.</p>
<p>Still can&#8217;t get over how far he launches!!</p>
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<p>That, of course, is the famous Joey&#8217;s OK video. &#8220;I think Joey&#8217;s OK.&#8221; That&#8217;s from Star Crossed, right here in Seattle. Sheer awesomeness.</p>
<p>Joey was, in fact, OK, though his groan he lets out on the original video suggests otherwise.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143898&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Nate&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143898&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

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&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go &lt;strong&gt;play in the mud&lt;/strong&gt; is about as good as it gets.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You nailed something critical here: the toys change, &lt;strong&gt;but we&#039;re still the same people we were when we were kids&lt;/strong&gt;. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#039;d go right through it.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Just got my older &lt;a class=&quot;vm_quicklink&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayQuickContent(&#039;http://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/&#039;, &#039;Pedalwan&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pedalwan&lt;/a&gt; a new bike helmet. He&#039;s stoked on it. Also, it just rained, and he wants to hit the gravel this weekend to search for the epic puddle he spent an hour riding through last winter. He&#039;s now on a 40 cm bike so he&#039;ll be able to shred even more.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Nate/2012.10.24.19.16.10/alistair puddle.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;600&quot; height=&quot;450&quot; /&gt;

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That. Is. Awesome. That, right there, is La Vie Velominatus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143898" rel="nofollow">@Nate</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143740" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143387" rel="nofollow">@VeloVita</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go <strong>play in the mud</strong> is about as good as it gets.</p>
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<p>You nailed something critical here: the toys change, <strong>but we&#8217;re still the same people we were when we were kids</strong>. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#8217;d go right through it.</p>
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<p>Just got my older <a class="vm_quicklink" href="javascript:vm_DisplayQuickContent('http://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/', 'Pedalwan');" rel="nofollow">Pedalwan</a> a new bike helmet. He&#8217;s stoked on it. Also, it just rained, and he wants to hit the gravel this weekend to search for the epic puddle he spent an hour riding through last winter. He&#8217;s now on a 40 cm bike so he&#8217;ll be able to shred even more.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&amp;scale=yes&amp;width=600&amp;height=700&amp;quality=85&amp;maintain_aspect=yes&amp;rounding=nearest&amp;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Nate/2012.10.24.19.16.10/alistair puddle.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="450" /></p>
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<p>That. Is. Awesome. That, right there, is La Vie Velominatus.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;
One word of caution about puddles in a race: in mud not as big a deal. re-creating a smaller scale version of joey&#039;s wipeout complete with a ruined tire/wheel in a pavement puddle entirely possible. Every year at cross crusade there is a race (except this year, they put several inches of gravel over the pavement) which had a long stretch of potholed pavement that would be filled with water n leaves. Underneath was some jagged spikes to the broken pavement, waiting to destroy equipment. I go around the puddles on pavement now too.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That excellent advice extends beyond CX; simply put, never ride through a puddle you can&#039;t see the bottom of. (Unless you&#039;ve recce&#039;d the route and know whats in the puddles.) More such tips: http://www.velominati.com/general/la-vie-velominatus-urban-riding/]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>
One word of caution about puddles in a race: in mud not as big a deal. re-creating a smaller scale version of joey&#8217;s wipeout complete with a ruined tire/wheel in a pavement puddle entirely possible. Every year at cross crusade there is a race (except this year, they put several inches of gravel over the pavement) which had a long stretch of potholed pavement that would be filled with water n leaves. Underneath was some jagged spikes to the broken pavement, waiting to destroy equipment. I go around the puddles on pavement now too.</p>
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<p>That excellent advice extends beyond CX; simply put, never ride through a puddle you can&#8217;t see the bottom of. (Unless you&#8217;ve recce&#8217;d the route and know whats in the puddles.) More such tips: <a href="http://www.velominati.com/general/la-vie-velominatus-urban-riding/" rel="ugc">http://www.velominati.com/general/la-vie-velominatus-urban-riding/</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the Engine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143899&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@the Engine&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143899&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143892&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Leroy&lt;/a&gt;

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&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143890&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Leroy&lt;/a&gt;

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Not the best way to deal with barriers...

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmm... embedding fail. Let&#039;s try that again.

&lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;javascript%3Avm_DisplayContent%28%27http%253A%252F%252Fyoutu.be%252FrNjWeATyylc%27%2C+%27%27%29%3B&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;javascript%3Avm_DisplayContent%28%27http%253A%252F%252Fyoutu.be%252FrNjWeATyylc%27%2C+%27%27%29%3B&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What&#039;s that hitting the barrier after the main impact? Even on the slo-mo around 18&quot;³ in I can&#039;t see what it is - it&#039;s not part of his bike.

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There&#039;s another angle I just found - the guy behind him comes off too and its his bike that features for a couple of frames]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143899" rel="nofollow">@the Engine</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143892" rel="nofollow">@Leroy</a></p>
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Not the best way to deal with barriers&#8230;</p>
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<p>Hmm&#8230; embedding fail. Let&#8217;s try that again.</p>
<p><a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('javascript%3Avm_DisplayContent%28%27http%253A%252F%252Fyoutu.be%252FrNjWeATyylc%27%2C+%27%27%29%3B', '');" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc</a> <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('javascript%3Avm_DisplayContent%28%27http%253A%252F%252Fyoutu.be%252FrNjWeATyylc%27%2C+%27%27%29%3B', '');" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc</a></p>
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<p>What&#8217;s that hitting the barrier after the main impact? Even on the slo-mo around 18&#8243;³ in I can&#8217;t see what it is &#8211; it&#8217;s not part of his bike.</p>
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<p>There&#8217;s another angle I just found &#8211; the guy behind him comes off too and its his bike that features for a couple of frames</p>
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		By: Leroy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leroy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143899&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@the Engine&lt;/a&gt; Not sure which impact you mean, another rider tanks the barrier right behind him but I think the second impact sound is just the boards shaking in their mounts from the first impact.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" href="#comment-143899" rel="nofollow">@the Engine</a> Not sure which impact you mean, another rider tanks the barrier right behind him but I think the second impact sound is just the boards shaking in their mounts from the first impact.</p>
<p>Still can&#8217;t get over how far he launches!!</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the Engine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143892&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Leroy&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143892&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143890&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Leroy&lt;/a&gt;

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Not the best way to deal with barriers...

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmm... embedding fail. Let&#039;s try that again.

&lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FrNjWeATyylc&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FrNjWeATyylc&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What&#039;s that hitting the barrier after the main impact? Even on the slo-mo around 18&quot; in I can&#039;t see what it is - it&#039;s not part of his bike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143892" rel="nofollow">@Leroy</a></p>
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Not the best way to deal with barriers&#8230;</p>
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<p>Hmm&#8230; embedding fail. Let&#8217;s try that again.</p>
<p><a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FrNjWeATyylc', '');" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc</a> <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FrNjWeATyylc', '');" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc</a></p>
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<p>What&#8217;s that hitting the barrier after the main impact? Even on the slo-mo around 18&#8243; in I can&#8217;t see what it is &#8211; it&#8217;s not part of his bike.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143740&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go &lt;strong&gt;play in the mud&lt;/strong&gt; is about as good as it gets.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You nailed something critical here: the toys change, &lt;strong&gt;but we&#039;re still the same people we were when we were kids&lt;/strong&gt;. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#039;d go right through it.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Just got my older Pedalwan a new bike helmet.  He&#039;s stoked on it.  Also, it just rained, and he wants to hit the gravel this weekend to search for the epic puddle he spent an hour riding through last winter.  He&#039;s now on a 40 cm bike so he&#039;ll be able to shred even more.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Nate/2012.10.24.19.16.10/alistair puddle.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143740" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143387" rel="nofollow">@VeloVita</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go <strong>play in the mud</strong> is about as good as it gets.</p>
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<p>You nailed something critical here: the toys change, <strong>but we&#8217;re still the same people we were when we were kids</strong>. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#8217;d go right through it.</p>
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<p>Just got my older <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/#Pedalwan">Pedalwan</a> a new bike helmet.  He&#8217;s stoked on it.  Also, it just rained, and he wants to hit the gravel this weekend to search for the epic puddle he spent an hour riding through last winter.  He&#8217;s now on a 40 cm bike so he&#8217;ll be able to shred even more.</p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Nate/2012.10.24.19.16.10/alistair puddle.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leroy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143890&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Leroy&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143890&quot;&gt;
Not the best way to deal with barriers...

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmm... embedding fail. Let&#039;s try that again.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc&lt;/a&gt;

http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc]]></description>
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Not the best way to deal with barriers&#8230;</p>
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<p>Hmm&#8230; embedding fail. Let&#8217;s try that again.</p>
<p><a href="http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc</a></p>
<p><a href="http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc" rel="nofollow ugc">http://youtu.be/rNjWeATyylc</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leroy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deakus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143773&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@the Engine&lt;/a&gt; He could also ski without mussing his hair - quite a guy...




? Have you seen the footage of him skiing...?  He was a swan on a bike but even though he is one of my favourite riders he was definitely and ugly duckling on skis..there is a biopic on him narrated/translated by Phil Ligget and you can find it on youtube in 6 sections..some skiing footage in there..

First one here &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3sOezcnHoU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3sOezcnHoU&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143773" rel="nofollow">@the Engine</a> He could also ski without mussing his hair &#8211; quite a guy&#8230;</p>
<p>? Have you seen the footage of him skiing&#8230;?  He was a swan on a bike but even though he is one of my favourite riders he was definitely and ugly duckling on skis..there is a biopic on him narrated/translated by Phil Ligget and you can find it on youtube in 6 sections..some skiing footage in there..</p>
<p>First one here <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3sOezcnHoU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3sOezcnHoU</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have watched that Joey video a 100x. If you slow it way down, you&#039;ll see his top tube arm has let go of the bike before getting to the barrier. That was an insane wipeout. Which is why he now gives hand ups to g&#039;rilla.

&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143740&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt;

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but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.

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You nailed something critical here: the toys change, but we&#039;re still the same people we were when we were kids. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#039;d go right through it.

In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.

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One word of caution about puddles in a race: in mud not as big a deal. re-creating a smaller scale version of joey&#039;s wipeout complete with a ruined tire/wheel in a pavement puddle entirely possible. Every year at cross crusade there is a race (except this year, they put several inches of gravel over the pavement) which had a long stretch of potholed pavement that would be filled with water n leaves. Underneath was some jagged spikes to the broken pavement, waiting to destroy equipment. I go around the puddles on pavement now too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have watched that Joey video a 100x. If you slow it way down, you&#8217;ll see his top tube arm has let go of the bike before getting to the barrier. That was an insane wipeout. Which is why he now gives hand ups to g&#8217;rilla.</p>
<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143740" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143387" rel="nofollow">@VeloVita</a></p>
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but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.</p>
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<p>You nailed something critical here: the toys change, but we&#8217;re still the same people we were when we were kids. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#8217;d go right through it.</p>
<p>In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.</p>
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<p>One word of caution about puddles in a race: in mud not as big a deal. re-creating a smaller scale version of joey&#8217;s wipeout complete with a ruined tire/wheel in a pavement puddle entirely possible. Every year at cross crusade there is a race (except this year, they put several inches of gravel over the pavement) which had a long stretch of potholed pavement that would be filled with water n leaves. Underneath was some jagged spikes to the broken pavement, waiting to destroy equipment. I go around the puddles on pavement now too.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the Engine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143747&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

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It would appear that if you are the kind of man who Anquetil was, you don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; &#039;cross bike to ride &#039;cross. Unless I&#039;m mistaken, that&#039;s his standard road bike, with possibly slightly wider tires. And his socks look perfect. What sort of witchcraft is this?

Respect.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.24.15.11.36/anquetil_ciclocross.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;548&quot; height=&quot;700&quot; /&gt;

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&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Ivor Campbell/2012.10.24.15.37.41/anquetil ski.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;He could also ski without mussing his hair - quite a guy...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143747" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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It would appear that if you are the kind of man who Anquetil was, you don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; &#8216;cross bike to ride &#8216;cross. Unless I&#8217;m mistaken, that&#8217;s his standard road bike, with possibly slightly wider tires. And his socks look perfect. What sort of witchcraft is this?</p>
<p>Respect.</p>
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<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Ivor Campbell/2012.10.24.15.37.41/anquetil ski.jpg" alt="" />He could also ski without mussing his hair &#8211; quite a guy&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sorry, that was intended to be &#039;perfuckly&#039; (i.e. really fucking perfect!) as opposed to &#039;perfuckedly&#039; (i.e. really perfectly fucked! - which is what he&#039;d be in the mud with those tires and brakes)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, that was intended to be &#8216;perfuckly&#8217; (i.e. really fucking perfect!) as opposed to &#8216;perfuckedly&#8217; (i.e. really perfectly fucked! &#8211; which is what he&#8217;d be in the mud with those tires and brakes)</p>
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		By: VeloVita		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VeloVita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143747&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143747&quot;&gt;
It would appear that if you are the kind of man who Anquetil was, you don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; &#039;cross bike to ride &#039;cross. Unless I&#039;m mistaken, that&#039;s his standard road bike, with possibly slightly wider tires. And his socks look perfect. What sort of witchcraft is this?

Respect.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.24.15.11.36/anquetil_ciclocross.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;548&quot; height=&quot;700&quot; /&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since I&#039;m still catching up on my cycling history, did they primarily ride long reach centerpulls on the road in Anquetil&#039;s day?  If so, I would think that yes, his standard road bike would work fine (and therefore that could very well be it) provided it had the clearance for larger tires.  He&#039;d be SOL in the mud, though.  And yes, those socks do indeed adhere perfuckedly to the Goldilocks principle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143747" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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It would appear that if you are the kind of man who Anquetil was, you don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; &#8216;cross bike to ride &#8216;cross. Unless I&#8217;m mistaken, that&#8217;s his standard road bike, with possibly slightly wider tires. And his socks look perfect. What sort of witchcraft is this?</p>
<p>Respect.</p>
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<p>Since I&#8217;m still catching up on my cycling history, did they primarily ride long reach centerpulls on the road in Anquetil&#8217;s day?  If so, I would think that yes, his standard road bike would work fine (and therefore that could very well be it) provided it had the clearance for larger tires.  He&#8217;d be SOL in the mud, though.  And yes, those socks do indeed adhere perfuckedly to the <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/#Goldilocks principle">Goldilocks principle</a>.</p>
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		By: Buck Rogers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buck Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143548&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ali McKee&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143548&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; href=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143313&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Buck Rogers&lt;/a&gt; the racing scene here is dead and buried....

I&#039;ll get my coat....

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<a class="vm_anchor" href="http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143313" rel="nofollow">@Buck Rogers</a> the racing scene here is dead and buried&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll get my coat&#8230;.</p>
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<p>Ha!  Well played!  Just having fun with typos here.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buck Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143744&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143744&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; href=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143740&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; href=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt;

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but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is something inherently wrong with racing cross and trying to avoid getting muddy,wet and cold. Lars Boom would agree:

&lt;img class=&quot;vm_inlineimage&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle&quot; src=&quot;http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/races09/cross09/kopp-boom.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;700&quot; height=&quot;674&quot; /&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I remember I showed my son, who was 4 at the time, this photo and said, &quot;What do you think of that?!??!&quot; in reverant tones and awe and he said, &quot;Daddy, I, I, I don&#039;t like to be covered in mud&quot; and left. 

Got to double check that mailman&#039;s DNA.]]></description>
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<a class="vm_anchor" href="http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143740" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" href="http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143387" rel="nofollow">@VeloVita</a></p>
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but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.</p>
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<p>In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.</p>
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<p>There is something inherently wrong with racing cross and trying to avoid getting muddy,wet and cold. Lars Boom would agree:</p>
<p><img class="vm_inlineimage" style="vertical-align: middle" src="http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/races09/cross09/kopp-boom.jpg" alt="" width="700" height="674" /></p>
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<p>I remember I showed my son, who was 4 at the time, this photo and said, &#8220;What do you think of that?!??!&#8221; in reverant tones and awe and he said, &#8220;Daddy, I, I, I don&#8217;t like to be covered in mud&#8221; and left. </p>
<p>Got to double check that mailman&#8217;s DNA.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would appear that if you are the kind of man who Anquetil was, you don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; &#039;cross bike to ride &#039;cross. Unless I&#039;m mistaken, that&#039;s his standard road bike, with possibly slightly wider tires. And his socks look perfect. What sort of witchcraft is this?

Respect.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.24.15.11.36/anquetil_ciclocross.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would appear that if you are the kind of man who Anquetil was, you don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; &#8216;cross bike to ride &#8216;cross. Unless I&#8217;m mistaken, that&#8217;s his standard road bike, with possibly slightly wider tires. And his socks look perfect. What sort of witchcraft is this?</p>
<p>Respect.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VeloVita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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So you&#039;ll be heading down to the World Cup this year then, yeah? Ken-tuck-eh ain&#039;t but a car drive away.



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Yes, I&#039;m planning on it - hotel is already booked, I just need to purchase tickets for event.  Still trying to find someone willing to drive 5 hours with me to go stand outside all weekend in February though - the VMH isn&#039;t having any of it - she&#039;s a freezebaby.]]></description>
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<p>So you&#8217;ll be heading down to the World Cup this year then, yeah? Ken-tuck-eh ain&#8217;t but a car drive away.</p>
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<p>Yes, I&#8217;m planning on it &#8211; hotel is already booked, I just need to purchase tickets for event.  Still trying to find someone willing to drive 5 hours with me to go stand outside all weekend in February though &#8211; the <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/#VMH">VMH</a> isn&#8217;t having any of it &#8211; she&#8217;s a freezebaby.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VeloVita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143740&quot;&gt;
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but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is something inherently wrong with racing cross and trying to avoid getting muddy,wet and cold.  Lars Boom would agree:

&lt;img style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot; src=&quot;http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/races09/cross09/kopp-boom.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;700&quot; height=&quot;674&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
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but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.</p>
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<p>In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.</p>
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<p>There is something inherently wrong with racing cross and trying to avoid getting muddy,wet and cold.  Lars Boom would agree:</p>
<p><img style="vertical-align: middle;" src="http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/races09/cross09/kopp-boom.jpg" alt="" width="700" height="674" /></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143722&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143409&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

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Is that Tommy V?

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Hah!, I hadn&#039;t noticed the resemblance! Yes, he must have decided to jump start his off season-training by racing the B Open category in the Northeastern Ohio CX Series. Who needs Alicante when you can train in Cleveland.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So you&#039;ll be heading down to the World Cup this year then, yeah? Ken-tuck-eh ain&#039;t but a car drive away.

&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143739&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Souleur&lt;/a&gt;

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&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143390&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@JC Belgium&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143390&quot;&gt;
there is a solution to every problem...&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/JC%20Belgium/2012.10.24.03.38.52/meeusen.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;600&quot; height=&quot;399&quot; /&gt;

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holy snot rockets Robin, that bunny hop is on steroids dude

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No kidding. That just reminds me how much I still suck. I would be doing the inverse of that, with my head buried ostrich-style in the other side of that ditch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143722" rel="nofollow">@VeloVita</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143409" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<img class="vm_inlineimage" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LXpVWeQcRz8/UIdWiysw7zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/p1F2SX7ncag/s640/IMG_1235-2.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="427" /></p>
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<p>Is that Tommy V?</p>
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<p>Hah!, I hadn&#8217;t noticed the resemblance! Yes, he must have decided to jump start his off season-training by racing the B Open category in the Northeastern Ohio CX Series. Who needs Alicante when you can train in Cleveland.</p>
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<p>So you&#8217;ll be heading down to the World Cup this year then, yeah? Ken-tuck-eh ain&#8217;t but a car drive away.</p>
<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143739" rel="nofollow">@Souleur</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143390" rel="nofollow">@JC Belgium</a></p>
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there is a solution to every problem&#8230;<img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/JC%20Belgium/2012.10.24.03.38.52/meeusen.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="399" /></p>
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<p>holy snot rockets Robin, that bunny hop is on steroids dude</p>
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<p>No kidding. That just reminds me how much I still suck. I would be doing the inverse of that, with my head buried ostrich-style in the other side of that ditch.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;
but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.

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You nailed something critical here: the toys change, but we&#039;re still the same people we were when we were kids. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#039;d go right through it. 

In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.]]></description>
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but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.</p>
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<p>You nailed something critical here: the toys change, but we&#8217;re still the same people we were when we were kids. It used to drive my dad nuts; the family would be walking down the road and if there was a puddle to be found, I&#8217;d go right through it. </p>
<p>In the race Sunday, I had a shit start, but made up lots of ground just because everyone else was trying to avoid the puddles. I went right through them. Partly to make up ground, and partly because it was fun.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143390&quot;&gt;
there is a solution to every problem...&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/JC%20Belgium/2012.10.24.03.38.52/meeusen.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;
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holy snot rockets Robin, that bunny hop is on steroids dude]]></description>
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there is a solution to every problem&#8230;<img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/JC%20Belgium/2012.10.24.03.38.52/meeusen.jpg" alt="" />
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<p>holy snot rockets Robin, that bunny hop is on steroids dude</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143409&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;img class=&quot;vm_inlineimage&quot; src=&quot;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LXpVWeQcRz8/UIdWiysw7zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/p1F2SX7ncag/s640/IMG_1235-2.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;427&quot; /&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Is that Tommy V?

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hah!, I hadn&#039;t noticed the resemblance!  Yes, he must have decided to jump start his off season-training by racing the B Open category in the Northeastern Ohio CX Series.  Who needs Alicante when you can train in Cleveland.]]></description>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143387" rel="nofollow">@VeloVita</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
<img class="vm_inlineimage" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LXpVWeQcRz8/UIdWiysw7zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/p1F2SX7ncag/s640/IMG_1235-2.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="427" /></p>
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<p>Is that Tommy V?</p>
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<p>Hah!, I hadn&#8217;t noticed the resemblance!  Yes, he must have decided to jump start his off season-training by racing the B Open category in the Northeastern Ohio CX Series.  Who needs Alicante when you can train in Cleveland.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-143387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt; nice pics!]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ali McKee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-143313&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Buck Rogers&lt;/a&gt; the racing scene here is dead and buried....

I&#039;ll get my coat....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-143313" rel="nofollow">@Buck Rogers</a> the racing scene here is dead and buried&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll get my coat&#8230;.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;img src=&quot;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LXpVWeQcRz8/UIdWiysw7zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/p1F2SX7ncag/s640/IMG_1235-2.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;427&quot; /&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Is that Tommy V?]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>
<img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LXpVWeQcRz8/UIdWiysw7zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/p1F2SX7ncag/s640/IMG_1235-2.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="427" /></p>
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<p>Is that Tommy V?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JC Belgium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 03:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a solution to every problem&#8230;<br />
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		By: VeloVita		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VeloVita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143201&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@CanuckChuck&lt;/a&gt; I&#039;ll be at Galt House as well.



&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143361&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143361&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_quicklink&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayQuickContent(&#039;http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/&#039;, &#039;9&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rule #9&lt;/a&gt; being my favorite, I&#039;d have to say that &#039;Cross might just be, as the Dutch say, written upon my very body.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Along with Rule #9, I find CX also lends itself particularly well to Rule #10 and Rule #21.  As far as cycling aesthetics go, I&#039;m a Rule #21 evangelist.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, riding during the summer with the long days is wonderful, but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.

I also tend to think cross bikes are some of the best looking bikes out there - there&#039;s just something about the tires with their tan sidewalls and that strip of tread that really does it for me.  With the breeding and blimping I&#039;ve done this year, unfortunately I haven&#039;t been able to race this season, but here are several photos I shot from a local race a few weeks ago - Rule #9 indeed:

&lt;img style=&quot;vertical-align: top;&quot; src=&quot;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PVLgJQg19fc/UIdVepyGISI/AAAAAAAAAAk/4hIFIrTYqJU/s640/IMG_0998-3.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;427&quot; /&gt;

&lt;img style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot; src=&quot;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3LbrCn0CVQo/UIdV_oQRqlI/AAAAAAAAAAw/TdyyAvR-WS4/s640/IMG_1228-2.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;427&quot; /&gt;



&lt;img style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot; src=&quot;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LXpVWeQcRz8/UIdWiysw7zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/p1F2SX7ncag/s640/IMG_1235-2.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;427&quot; /&gt;





&lt;img style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot; src=&quot;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pYkWJt80Ci4/UIdXM-GjyXI/AAAAAAAAABQ/5nB50CGKlyU/s640/IMG_1278.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;427&quot; /&gt;

&lt;img style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot; src=&quot;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nlqNbUnm9aE/UIdW0iZ3NDI/AAAAAAAAABI/neyyKr_R1EU/s640/IMG_1276.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;427&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143201" rel="nofollow">@CanuckChuck</a> I&#8217;ll be at Galt House as well.</p>
<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143361" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<a class="vm_quicklink" href="javascript:vm_DisplayQuickContent('http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/', '9');" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#9">Rule #9</a> being my favorite, I&#8217;d have to say that &#8216;Cross might just be, as the Dutch say, written upon my very body.</p>
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<p>Along with  <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#9">Rule #9</a>, I find CX also lends itself particularly well to  <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#10">Rule #10</a> and  <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#21">Rule #21</a>.  As far as cycling aesthetics go, I&#8217;m a  <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#21">Rule #21</a> evangelist.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, riding during the summer with the long days is wonderful, but for me the Autumn leaves and the opportunity to don a cap, knickers/warmers (or better yet, embrocation), eyewear with clear lenses and go play in the mud is about as good as it gets.</p>
<p>I also tend to think cross bikes are some of the best looking bikes out there &#8211; there&#8217;s just something about the tires with their tan sidewalls and that strip of tread that really does it for me.  With the <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/#breeding and blimping">breeding and blimping</a> I&#8217;ve done this year, unfortunately I haven&#8217;t been able to race this season, but here are several photos I shot from a local race a few weeks ago &#8211;  <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#9">Rule #9</a> indeed:</p>
<p><img style="vertical-align: top;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PVLgJQg19fc/UIdVepyGISI/AAAAAAAAAAk/4hIFIrTYqJU/s640/IMG_0998-3.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="427" /></p>
<p><img style="vertical-align: middle;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3LbrCn0CVQo/UIdV_oQRqlI/AAAAAAAAAAw/TdyyAvR-WS4/s640/IMG_1228-2.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="427" /></p>
<p><img style="vertical-align: middle;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LXpVWeQcRz8/UIdWiysw7zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/p1F2SX7ncag/s640/IMG_1235-2.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="427" /></p>
<p><img style="vertical-align: middle;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pYkWJt80Ci4/UIdXM-GjyXI/AAAAAAAAABQ/5nB50CGKlyU/s640/IMG_1278.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="427" /></p>
<p><img style="vertical-align: middle;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nlqNbUnm9aE/UIdW0iZ3NDI/AAAAAAAAABI/neyyKr_R1EU/s640/IMG_1276.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="427" /></p>
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		By: San Tonio		</title>
		<link>https://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/comment-page-2/#comment-143384</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[San Tonio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143361&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; I watched that World Cup Cross at the Citadel last winter Totally Epic. The best cross race I ever seen.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/San Tonio/2012.10.24.02.08.50/s. nys at the citadel at namur.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143361" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> I watched that World Cup Cross at the Citadel last winter Totally Epic. The best cross race I ever seen.</p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/San Tonio/2012.10.24.02.08.50/s. nys at the citadel at namur.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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		By: frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 01:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rule 9 being my favorite, I&#039;d have to say that &#039;Cross might just be, as the Dutch say, written upon my very body.

&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/embed/_UyY3AR9hOc?rel=0&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; width=&quot;610&quot; height=&quot;343&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#9">Rule #9</a> being my favorite, I&#8217;d have to say that &#8216;Cross might just be, as the Dutch say, written upon my very body.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-143313&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Buck Rogers&lt;/a&gt; probably gravÃ©]]></description>
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		By: Souleur		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Souleur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-143142&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143142&quot;&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143057&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@scaler911&lt;/a&gt;

We&#039;ll have to see if we can&#039;t make that happen, but timing is rough for me this Fall; I&#039;m not even getting to the races in Seattle if they&#039;re more than a half hour away...that will have to change for next year.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143107&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Souleur&lt;/a&gt;

Precious? Precious? You mean &quot;totally badass&quot; right?

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well, since you mention his (crash&#038;felds) provoking statement about your mom and her prodigy, i thought precious was better than totally badass, but she may be a dutch badass, and i mean that in the nicest of ways

&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-143208&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143208&quot;&gt;
An alternate to carrying your bike over the barriers.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.21.59.33/photo_045881_600.jpeg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
thus the PRO-ness

Belgian stripes see no need to dismount on such rubbish...pussies

Plus, thats a front wheeled wheelie he is pulling off temporarily for the foto&#039;s benefit]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-143142" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<a href="http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143057" rel="nofollow">@scaler911</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have to see if we can&#8217;t make that happen, but timing is rough for me this Fall; I&#8217;m not even getting to the races in Seattle if they&#8217;re more than a half hour away&#8230;that will have to change for next year.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-143107" rel="nofollow">@Souleur</a></p>
<p>Precious? Precious? You mean &#8220;totally badass&#8221; right?</p>
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<p>well, since you mention his (crash&amp;felds) provoking statement about your mom and her prodigy, i thought precious was better than totally badass, but she may be a dutch badass, and i mean that in the nicest of ways</p>
<p><a href="#comment-143208" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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An alternate to carrying your bike over the barriers.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&amp;scale=yes&amp;width=600&amp;height=700&amp;quality=85&amp;maintain_aspect=yes&amp;rounding=nearest&amp;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.21.59.33/photo_045881_600.jpeg" alt="" /></p>
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<p>thus the PRO-ness</p>
<p>Belgian stripes see no need to dismount on such rubbish&#8230;pussies</p>
<p>Plus, thats a front wheeled wheelie he is pulling off temporarily for the foto&#8217;s benefit</p>
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		By: Buck Rogers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buck Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143222&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ali McKee&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143222&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143138&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; I was hoping you wouldn&#039;t say that, but knew you would. Damnit. I&#039;ll persuade myself CX isn&#039;t &#039;GNAR&#039; enough for me this year while I start saving for a CX bike for next year.

I live in Ireland - limited grave options I believe save for forest fire roads but seems there is a well organised CX championship which kind of looks like good craic! As much craic as the photos above suggest actually!

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limited grave options?  What the hell type of racing are you doing there?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143222" rel="nofollow">@Ali McKee</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143138" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> I was hoping you wouldn&#8217;t say that, but knew you would. Damnit. I&#8217;ll persuade myself CX isn&#8217;t &#8216;GNAR&#8217; enough for me this year while I start saving for a CX bike for next year.</p>
<p>I live in Ireland &#8211; limited grave options I believe save for forest fire roads but seems there is a well organised CX championship which kind of looks like good craic! As much craic as the photos above suggest actually!</p>
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<p>limited grave options?  What the hell type of racing are you doing there?</p>
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		By: Dan_R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan_R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143208&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; like a boss! why leave the saddle?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143208" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> like a boss! why leave the saddle?</p>
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		By: Dan_R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan_R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the hubris of the weekend professional - great stuff Frank.

My CX racing is locally know for an abundance of three things - vomit, crashes, and des lanternes rouge. I have an inability to drop out of a race that I have paid to do. So, it is common, after an abundance of crashes, that I find myself &quot;catching up.&quot;

And what is it with tarmack to grass that sets one up for, in my case, the inevitable high speed wipe out?

Dust yer self off and keep going! oh, and careful where you hurl if you&#039;ve hydrated with purple, especially on white handlebar tape.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the hubris of the weekend professional &#8211; great stuff Frank.</p>
<p>My CX racing is locally know for an abundance of three things &#8211; vomit, crashes, and des lanternes rouge. I have an inability to drop out of a race that I have paid to do. So, it is common, after an abundance of crashes, that I find myself &#8220;catching up.&#8221;</p>
<p>And what is it with tarmack to grass that sets one up for, in my case, the inevitable high speed wipe out?</p>
<p>Dust yer self off and keep going! oh, and careful where you hurl if you&#8217;ve hydrated with purple, especially on white handlebar tape.</p>
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		By: Ali McKee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ali McKee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-143138&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; I was hoping you wouldn&#039;t say that, but knew you would.  Damnit.  I&#039;ll persuade myself CX isn&#039;t &#039;GNAR&#039; enough for me this year while I start saving for a CX bike for next year.

I live in Ireland - limited grave options I believe save for forest fire roads but seems there is a well organised CX championship which kind of looks like good craic!  As much craic as the photos above suggest actually!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-143138" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> I was hoping you wouldn&#8217;t say that, but knew you would.  Damnit.  I&#8217;ll persuade myself CX isn&#8217;t &#8216;GNAR&#8217; enough for me this year while I start saving for a CX bike for next year.</p>
<p>I live in Ireland &#8211; limited grave options I believe save for forest fire roads but seems there is a well organised CX championship which kind of looks like good craic!  As much craic as the photos above suggest actually!</p>
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		By: frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An alternate to carrying your bike over the barriers.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.21.59.33/photo_045881_600.jpeg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternate to carrying your bike over the barriers.</p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.21.59.33/photo_045881_600.jpeg" alt="" /></p>
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		By: CanuckChuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CanuckChuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143171&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@VeloVita&lt;/a&gt; Obviously I missed your initial inquiry... I will be there: hotel reserved (Galt House) and airfare booked. I can&#039;t say I&#039;m a huge CX fan (aside from being a fan of &lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; title=&quot;Behind the Barriers&quot; href=&quot;http://www.behindthebarriers.com/&quot; target=&quot;_self&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Behind the Barriers&lt;/a&gt;) but I am looking forward to some great racing and what I hope will be an awesome party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143171" rel="nofollow">@VeloVita</a> Obviously I missed your initial inquiry&#8230; I will be there: hotel reserved (Galt House) and airfare booked. I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m a huge CX fan (aside from being a fan of <a class="vm_anchor" title="Behind the Barriers" href="http://www.behindthebarriers.com/" target="_self" rel="nofollow">Behind the Barriers</a>) but I am looking forward to some great racing and what I hope will be an awesome party.</p>
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		By: scaler911		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scaler911]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143146&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Steampunk&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143146&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143137&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143137&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142646&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@G&#039;rilla&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142646&quot;&gt;
Fans of &lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; may want to pull out their wallets and decorate their walls with the following:

Camera manufacturers need to re-engineer their equipment to focus on the greatest amount of V in the frame: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FQQ17er&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/QQ17er&lt;/a&gt;

Balancing: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FSeYcjb&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/SeYcjb&lt;/a&gt;

Cornering: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTDmQGV&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/TDmQGV&lt;/a&gt;

Leading the pack: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FRebNal&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/RebNal&lt;/a&gt;

And for reference, this is how one completes the last 50m of a race: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTck2od&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/Tck2od&lt;/a&gt;

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Right you are. And infinitely better than this.

&lt;img class=&quot;vm_inlineimage&quot; src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.18.32.09/Screen Shot 2012-10-23 at 11.02.31 AM.png&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;600&quot; height=&quot;476&quot; /&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Great collections of V here, but I want to see the next one: the close-up of Frank realizing he&#039;s still a lap shy of finishing. I&#039;ll hold off on comments regarding Dutch &#039;rithmetic. Because no one should be required to do three laps...

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A good friend of me and @gaswepass&#039; (who lurks here) had some form of Shleckanical or another, and ran all 3 or 4 laps of a &#039;cross race. Insanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143146" rel="nofollow">@Steampunk</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143137" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142646" rel="nofollow">@G&#8217;rilla</a></p>
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Fans of <a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142604" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> may want to pull out their wallets and decorate their walls with the following:</p>
<p>Camera manufacturers need to re-engineer their equipment to focus on the greatest amount of V in the frame: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FQQ17er', '');" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/QQ17er</a></p>
<p>Balancing: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FSeYcjb', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/SeYcjb</a></p>
<p>Cornering: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTDmQGV', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/TDmQGV</a></p>
<p>Leading the pack: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FRebNal', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/RebNal</a></p>
<p>And for reference, this is how one completes the last 50m of a race: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTck2od', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/Tck2od</a></p>
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<p>Right you are. And infinitely better than this.</p>
<p><img class="vm_inlineimage" src="http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&amp;scale=yes&amp;width=600&amp;height=700&amp;quality=85&amp;maintain_aspect=yes&amp;rounding=nearest&amp;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.18.32.09/Screen Shot 2012-10-23 at 11.02.31 AM.png" alt="" width="600" height="476" /></p>
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<p>Great collections of V here, but I want to see the next one: the close-up of Frank realizing he&#8217;s still a lap shy of finishing. I&#8217;ll hold off on comments regarding Dutch &#8216;rithmetic. Because no one should be required to do three laps&#8230;</p>
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<p>A good friend of me and @gaswepass&#8217; (who lurks here) had some form of Shleckanical or another, and ran all 3 or 4 laps of a &#8216;cross race. Insanity.</p>
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		By: VeloVita		</title>
		<link>https://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/comment-page-2/#comment-143171</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VeloVita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143153&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@CanuckChuck&lt;/a&gt;   Indeed.  I just booked my room yesterday just in case I decide to go.  General Admission Tickets are $40 for the weekend which includes the races on Sat and Sun (the Elite Men and Women will race Sunday).  I inquired a month or so ago if any Velominati were planning on going but didn&#039;t get any responses.  I&#039;ll definitely head down there if there will be some kind of meetup.  Anybody interested?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143153" rel="nofollow">@CanuckChuck</a>   Indeed.  I just booked my room yesterday just in case I decide to go.  General Admission Tickets are $40 for the weekend which includes the races on Sat and Sun (the Elite Men and Women will race Sunday).  I inquired a month or so ago if any Velominati were planning on going but didn&#8217;t get any responses.  I&#8217;ll definitely head down there if there will be some kind of meetup.  Anybody interested?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buck Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143137&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143137&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; href=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-142646&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@G&#039;rilla&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142646&quot;&gt;
Fans of &lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; href=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-142604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; may want to pull out their wallets and decorate their walls with the following:

Camera manufacturers need to re-engineer their equipment to focus on the greatest amount of V in the frame: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FQQ17er&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/QQ17er&lt;/a&gt;

Balancing: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FSeYcjb&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/SeYcjb&lt;/a&gt;

Cornering: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTDmQGV&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/TDmQGV&lt;/a&gt;

Leading the pack: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FRebNal&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/RebNal&lt;/a&gt;

And for reference, this is how one completes the last 50m of a race: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTck2od&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/Tck2od&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Right you are. And infinitely better than this.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.18.32.09/Screen Shot 2012-10-23 at 11.02.31 AM.png&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;600&quot; height=&quot;476&quot; /&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nice Foookin&#039; V Juice flowing from the kneecap! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" href="#comment-143137" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
<blockquote cite="#commentbody-143137"><p>
<a class="vm_anchor" href="http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-142646" rel="nofollow">@G&#8217;rilla</a></p>
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Fans of <a class="vm_anchor" href="http://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/#comment-142604" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> may want to pull out their wallets and decorate their walls with the following:</p>
<p>Camera manufacturers need to re-engineer their equipment to focus on the greatest amount of V in the frame: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FQQ17er', '');" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/QQ17er</a></p>
<p>Balancing: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FSeYcjb', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/SeYcjb</a></p>
<p>Cornering: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTDmQGV', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/TDmQGV</a></p>
<p>Leading the pack: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FRebNal', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/RebNal</a></p>
<p>And for reference, this is how one completes the last 50m of a race: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTck2od', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/Tck2od</a></p>
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<p>Right you are. And infinitely better than this.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&amp;scale=yes&amp;width=600&amp;height=700&amp;quality=85&amp;maintain_aspect=yes&amp;rounding=nearest&amp;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.18.32.09/Screen Shot 2012-10-23 at 11.02.31 AM.png" alt="" width="600" height="476" /></p>
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<p>Nice Foookin&#8217; V Juice flowing from the kneecap! </p>
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		By: CanuckChuck		</title>
		<link>https://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/comment-page-2/#comment-143153</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CanuckChuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking of CX, did y&#039;all know that the World&#039;s will be in Louisville KY next year: http://www.louisville2013.com/site/index.php.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of CX, did y&#8217;all know that the World&#8217;s will be in Louisville KY next year: <a href="http://www.louisville2013.com/site/index.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.louisville2013.com/site/index.php</a>.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steampunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143137&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143137&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142646&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@G&#039;rilla&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142646&quot;&gt;
Fans of &lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; may want to pull out their wallets and decorate their walls with the following:

Camera manufacturers need to re-engineer their equipment to focus on the greatest amount of V in the frame: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FQQ17er&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/QQ17er&lt;/a&gt;

Balancing: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FSeYcjb&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/SeYcjb&lt;/a&gt;

Cornering: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTDmQGV&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/TDmQGV&lt;/a&gt;

Leading the pack: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FRebNal&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/RebNal&lt;/a&gt;

And for reference, this is how one completes the last 50m of a race: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTck2od&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/Tck2od&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Right you are. And infinitely better than this.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.18.32.09/Screen Shot 2012-10-23 at 11.02.31 AM.png&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;600&quot; height=&quot;476&quot; /&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Great collections of V here, but I want to see the next one: the close-up of Frank realizing he&#039;s still a lap shy of finishing. I&#039;ll hold off on comments regarding Dutch &#039;rithmetic. Because no one should be required to do three laps...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143137" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142646" rel="nofollow">@G&#8217;rilla</a></p>
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Fans of <a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142604" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> may want to pull out their wallets and decorate their walls with the following:</p>
<p>Camera manufacturers need to re-engineer their equipment to focus on the greatest amount of V in the frame: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FQQ17er', '');" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/QQ17er</a></p>
<p>Balancing: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FSeYcjb', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/SeYcjb</a></p>
<p>Cornering: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTDmQGV', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/TDmQGV</a></p>
<p>Leading the pack: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FRebNal', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/RebNal</a></p>
<p>And for reference, this is how one completes the last 50m of a race: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTck2od', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/Tck2od</a></p>
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<p>Right you are. And infinitely better than this.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&amp;scale=yes&amp;width=600&amp;height=700&amp;quality=85&amp;maintain_aspect=yes&amp;rounding=nearest&amp;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.18.32.09/Screen Shot 2012-10-23 at 11.02.31 AM.png" alt="" width="600" height="476" /></p>
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<p>Great collections of V here, but I want to see the next one: the close-up of Frank realizing he&#8217;s still a lap shy of finishing. I&#8217;ll hold off on comments regarding Dutch &#8216;rithmetic. Because no one should be required to do three laps&#8230;</p>
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		By: wiscot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wiscot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143139&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143139&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143013&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Buck Rogers&lt;/a&gt;

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&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143011&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@wiscot&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143011&quot;&gt;
Speaking of all things CX, does anyone know how Joey&#039;s doing? Is he ok?

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+1! Where&#039;s the vid?

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&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/embed/bEGAIYKTZ9w?rel=0&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; width=&quot;610&quot; height=&quot;343&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;

Aside from getting off on the wrong side, knowing what I know now, he&#039;s using great form for this. As J-Pow says, stretch out all the movements; he comes in fast, waits for the dismount, gets running and the just makes a slight but spectacular error in judging the height of the barriers.

Solid gold. Still makes me laugh every time.

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Thanks for posting. Jo-way&#039;s ok . . . I thiink.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143139" rel="nofollow">@frank</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143013" rel="nofollow">@Buck Rogers</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143011" rel="nofollow">@wiscot</a></p>
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Speaking of all things CX, does anyone know how Joey&#8217;s doing? Is he ok?</p>
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<p>+1! Where&#8217;s the vid?</p>
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<p><iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/bEGAIYKTZ9w?rel=0" frameborder="0" width="610" height="343"></iframe></p>
<p>Aside from getting off on the wrong side, knowing what I know now, he&#8217;s using great form for this. As J-Pow says, stretch out all the movements; he comes in fast, waits for the dismount, gets running and the just makes a slight but spectacular error in judging the height of the barriers.</p>
<p>Solid gold. Still makes me laugh every time.</p>
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<p>Thanks for posting. Jo-way&#8217;s ok . . . I thiink.</p>
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		By: frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143057&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@scaler911&lt;/a&gt;

We&#039;ll have to see if we can&#039;t make that happen, but timing is rough for me this Fall; I&#039;m not even getting to the races in Seattle if they&#039;re more than a half hour away...that will have to change for next year.

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143107&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Souleur&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Precious? Precious? You mean &quot;totally badass&quot; right?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-143057" rel="nofollow">@scaler911</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have to see if we can&#8217;t make that happen, but timing is rough for me this Fall; I&#8217;m not even getting to the races in Seattle if they&#8217;re more than a half hour away&#8230;that will have to change for next year.</p>
<p><a class="comment_response" href="#comment-143107" rel="nofollow">@Souleur</a> </p>
<p>Precious? Precious? You mean &#8220;totally badass&#8221; right?</p>
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		By: frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143061&quot;&gt;
Some of these photos aren&#039;t making me miss racing cross so far this year...

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Pish posh. Crashing is part of the fun in CX, like it is in MTBing and alpine skiing. And usually the landings are softish. I&#039;ll advise you again: don&#039;t be afraid of crashing. Just commit to the ride, try to avoid it obviously, but just let it happen.

The best way to find your limitations is by moving past them.]]></description>
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Some of these photos aren&#8217;t making me miss racing cross so far this year&#8230;</p>
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<p>Pish posh. Crashing is part of the fun in CX, like it is in MTBing and alpine skiing. And usually the landings are softish. I&#8217;ll advise you again: don&#8217;t be afraid of crashing. Just commit to the ride, try to avoid it obviously, but just let it happen.</p>
<p>The best way to find your limitations is by moving past them.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143013&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Buck Rogers&lt;/a&gt;

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&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143011&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@wiscot&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143011&quot;&gt;
Speaking of all things CX, does anyone know how Joey&#039;s doing? Is he ok?

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+1! Where&#039;s the vid?

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&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/embed/bEGAIYKTZ9w?rel=0&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; width=&quot;610&quot; height=&quot;343&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;

Aside from getting off on the wrong side, knowing what I know now, he&#039;s using great form for this. As J-Pow says, stretch out all the movements; he comes in fast, waits for the dismount, gets running and the just makes a slight but spectacular error in judging the height of the barriers.

Solid gold. Still makes me laugh every time.]]></description>
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<a class="vm_anchor" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-143011" rel="nofollow">@wiscot</a></p>
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Speaking of all things CX, does anyone know how Joey&#8217;s doing? Is he ok?</p>
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<p>+1! Where&#8217;s the vid?</p>
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<p>Aside from getting off on the wrong side, knowing what I know now, he&#8217;s using great form for this. As J-Pow says, stretch out all the movements; he comes in fast, waits for the dismount, gets running and the just makes a slight but spectacular error in judging the height of the barriers.</p>
<p>Solid gold. Still makes me laugh every time.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142840&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ali McKee&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142840&quot;&gt;
Please please please can everyone stop talking about and posting photos of cyclocross! I am in enough trouble as it is!!

&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142600&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; how do you find it compared to mtbing? I don&#039;t know if I could ever swap my MTB for a cx bike even though I see the attraction of it being more similar to the road bike

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Depends on how much you ride your MTB, but you should have both. Its such a different sport, you can&#039;t compare the two and they are both awesome.

Depending on where you live, though, a CX bike can afford lots of backroad gravÃ© riding, which is equally awesome.]]></description>
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Please please please can everyone stop talking about and posting photos of cyclocross! I am in enough trouble as it is!!</p>
<p><a class="vm_anchor" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142600" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> how do you find it compared to mtbing? I don&#8217;t know if I could ever swap my MTB for a cx bike even though I see the attraction of it being more similar to the road bike</p>
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<p>Depends on how much you ride your MTB, but you should have both. Its such a different sport, you can&#8217;t compare the two and they are both awesome.</p>
<p>Depending on where you live, though, a CX bike can afford lots of backroad gravÃ© riding, which is equally awesome.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142646&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@G&#039;rilla&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142646&quot;&gt;
Fans of &lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; may want to pull out their wallets and decorate their walls with the following:

Camera manufacturers need to re-engineer their equipment to focus on the greatest amount of V in the frame: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FQQ17er&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/QQ17er&lt;/a&gt;

Balancing: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FSeYcjb&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/SeYcjb&lt;/a&gt;

Cornering: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTDmQGV&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/TDmQGV&lt;/a&gt;

Leading the pack: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FRebNal&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/RebNal&lt;/a&gt;

And for reference, this is how one completes the last 50m of a race: &lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTck2od&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://smu.gs/Tck2od&lt;/a&gt;

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Right you are. And infinitely better than this.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.18.32.09/Screen Shot 2012-10-23 at 11.02.31 AM.png&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
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Fans of <a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142604" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> may want to pull out their wallets and decorate their walls with the following:</p>
<p>Camera manufacturers need to re-engineer their equipment to focus on the greatest amount of V in the frame: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FQQ17er', '');" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/QQ17er</a></p>
<p>Balancing: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FSeYcjb', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/SeYcjb</a></p>
<p>Cornering: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTDmQGV', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/TDmQGV</a></p>
<p>Leading the pack: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FRebNal', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/RebNal</a></p>
<p>And for reference, this is how one completes the last 50m of a race: <a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fsmu.gs%2FTck2od', '');" rel="nofollow">http://smu.gs/Tck2od</a></p>
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<p>Right you are. And infinitely better than this.</p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/frank/2012.10.23.18.32.09/Screen Shot 2012-10-23 at 11.02.31 AM.png" alt="" /></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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Exactly. That&#039;s what beer handups are for, though I think that they&#039;re too big-a-pussies to drink beer while racing up in Seattle.



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+1 to beer (and bacon) handups - For those of us who suck at CX but do it anyway, they are essential to the sport.]]></description>
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<p>Exactly. That&#8217;s what beer handups are for, though I think that they&#8217;re too big-a-pussies to drink beer while racing up in Seattle.</p>
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<p>+1 to beer (and bacon) handups &#8211; For those of us who suck at CX but do it anyway, they are essential to the sport.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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No truck drafting. Mostly dump trucks on that road.]]></description>
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<p>No truck drafting. Mostly dump trucks on that road.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-142457&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@czmiel&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142457&quot;&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Several cursed at me, one postulated that my mother had been unmarried at the time of my birth.
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Hahaha!
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absolutely precious Frank
Awesome and funny write up.
At first, I was thinking, no..not necessarily so, as I am the inherent skeptic at heart, but your right, there are times we are treading a thin line between total awesomeness and absolute idiocy.   In fact, I have absolutely seen it as everyone else has...someone get by with something (a corner too fast, bunny hop and not hit a huge pothole etc) and look totally with it and skirt the line.  But, when you do cross it and not get by, you really eat humble pie.
Overall, however, that is the art of cycling in this regard that you write of.  As we seek total PRO-ness, as we grow and mature as cyclists, we do attain a skillset that DOES NOT take chances yet pulls off some seemingly PRO-found prowess &#038; serious skill.  Again, though, whether its a descent at killer speeds, or cornering, on wet pave&#039;, or whatever, for the PRO its natural, and not necessarily a risk...they have it.  Sometimes, we prove we do not.]]></description>
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Several cursed at me, one postulated that my mother had been unmarried at the time of my birth.
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<p>Hahaha!
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<p>absolutely precious Frank<br />
Awesome and funny write up.<br />
At first, I was thinking, no..not necessarily so, as I am the inherent skeptic at heart, but your right, there are times we are treading a thin line between total awesomeness and absolute idiocy.   In fact, I have absolutely seen it as everyone else has&#8230;someone get by with something (a corner too fast, bunny hop and not hit a huge pothole etc) and look totally with it and skirt the line.  But, when you do cross it and not get by, you really eat humble pie.<br />
Overall, however, that is the art of cycling in this regard that you write of.  As we seek total PRO-ness, as we grow and mature as cyclists, we do attain a skillset that DOES NOT take chances yet pulls off some seemingly PRO-found prowess &amp; serious skill.  Again, though, whether its a descent at killer speeds, or cornering, on wet pave&#8217;, or whatever, for the PRO its natural, and not necessarily a risk&#8230;they have it.  Sometimes, we prove we do not.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scaler911]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143010&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@brianc&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143010&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142578&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Benny&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142578&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142563&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@San Tonio&lt;/a&gt;Or like this

&lt;img class=&quot;vm_inlineimage&quot; src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Benny/2012.10.23.00.14.05/DSC_6770.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;600&quot; height=&quot;399&quot; /&gt;

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Hate to quibble here (and apologies if this is you), but generally you want the elbow in-board of the saddle. This allows two things - holding the bike out (as Frank puts it &quot;like it has the clap&quot;) which protects your space. Depending on how crowded things are for your race, this may or may not be necessary. The far more practical reason, is that if you misjudge the height of what you&#039;re going over, or don&#039;t have tons of practice such that you have everything completely dialed in, the bike isn&#039;t going to hit said barrier and bounce the saddle into your armpit thus throwing you god knows where.

&lt;strong&gt;Also, a water bottle? This is a &#039;cross race. It&#039;s less than an hour and more to the point - how do you plan on shouldering the bike w/ that thing there?&lt;/strong&gt;

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Exactly. That&#039;s what beer handups are for, though I think that they&#039;re too big-a-pussies to drink beer while racing up in Seattle.

Not to put too fine a point on it, I have yet to have Frank or G&#039;rilla roll down to PDX for some Cross Crusade action, even though I can get them lodging and &quot;call ups&quot;.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/scaler911/2012.10.23.14.19.33/sand-360x240.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142578" rel="nofollow">@Benny</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142563" rel="nofollow">@San Tonio</a>Or like this</p>
<p><img class="vm_inlineimage" src="http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&amp;scale=yes&amp;width=600&amp;height=700&amp;quality=85&amp;maintain_aspect=yes&amp;rounding=nearest&amp;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Benny/2012.10.23.00.14.05/DSC_6770.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="399" /></p>
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<p>Hate to quibble here (and apologies if this is you), but generally you want the elbow in-board of the saddle. This allows two things &#8211; holding the bike out (as Frank puts it &#8220;like it has the clap&#8221;) which protects your space. Depending on how crowded things are for your race, this may or may not be necessary. The far more practical reason, is that if you misjudge the height of what you&#8217;re going over, or don&#8217;t have tons of practice such that you have everything completely dialed in, the bike isn&#8217;t going to hit said barrier and bounce the saddle into your armpit thus throwing you god knows where.</p>
<p><strong>Also, a water bottle? This is a &#8216;cross race. It&#8217;s less than an hour and more to the point &#8211; how do you plan on shouldering the bike w/ that thing there?</strong></p>
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<p>Exactly. That&#8217;s what beer handups are for, though I think that they&#8217;re too big-a-pussies to drink beer while racing up in Seattle.</p>
<p>Not to put too fine a point on it, I have yet to have Frank or G&#8217;rilla roll down to PDX for some Cross Crusade action, even though I can get them lodging and &#8220;call ups&#8221;.</p>
<p><img src="http://velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/scaler911/2012.10.23.14.19.33/sand-360x240.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142840&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ali McKee&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142840&quot;&gt;
Please please please can everyone stop talking about and posting photos of cyclocross! I am in enough trouble as it is!!

&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142600&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; how do you find it compared to mtbing? I don&#039;t know if I could ever swap my MTB for a cx bike even though I see the attraction of it being more similar to the road bike

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It is the &lt;em&gt;perfect&lt;/em&gt; excuse for N+1. While an &quot;extra&quot; road or mountain bike would seem excessive, a CX bike is a totally unique item with a focused purpose. One could argue, and should, that it would be foolish not to have one.

True story: at my daughter&#039;s last birthday (6) she got two nearly identical barbies - I think maybe the color of the dress was different. Anyway, asked her if she wanted to return one b/c the were so similar. She looked right at me and said &quot;You have two bikes that are almost the same.&quot; I dropped the matter immediately.]]></description>
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Please please please can everyone stop talking about and posting photos of cyclocross! I am in enough trouble as it is!!</p>
<p><a class="vm_anchor" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142600" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> how do you find it compared to mtbing? I don&#8217;t know if I could ever swap my MTB for a cx bike even though I see the attraction of it being more similar to the road bike</p>
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<p>It is the <em>perfect</em> excuse for N+1. While an &#8220;extra&#8221; road or mountain bike would seem excessive, a CX bike is a totally unique item with a focused purpose. One could argue, and should, that it would be foolish not to have one.</p>
<p>True story: at my daughter&#8217;s last birthday (6) she got two nearly identical barbies &#8211; I think maybe the color of the dress was different. Anyway, asked her if she wanted to return one b/c the were so similar. She looked right at me and said &#8220;You have two bikes that are almost the same.&#8221; I dropped the matter immediately.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ali McKee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-143000&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@RedRanger&lt;/a&gt; Completely agree with your thinking, however apparently you can&#039;t always get what you want.

Purchase of a new #1 this year at &#039;not insubstantial cost&#039; means that in accordance with Rule #12 I would be at &#039;S&#039; number of bikes.

Had started researching CX and this article hasn&#039;t helped!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-143000" rel="nofollow">@RedRanger</a> Completely agree with your thinking, however apparently you can&#8217;t always get what you want.</p>
<p>Purchase of a new #1 this year at &#8216;not insubstantial cost&#8217; means that in accordance with  <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#12">Rule #12</a> I would be at &#8216;S&#8217; number of bikes.</p>
<p>Had started researching CX and this article hasn&#8217;t helped!!</p>
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		By: VeloVita		</title>
		<link>https://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/comment-page-1/#comment-143030</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VeloVita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142605&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@G&#039;rilla&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142605&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142603&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; You&#039;re in good company. On the same day only a few hours earlier, Sven Nys also broke his chain and had to run half a lap.

&lt;a class=&quot;vm_linkablecontent&quot; href=&quot;javascript:vm_DisplayContent(&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cxmagazine.com%2F2012-world-cup-tabor-pauwels-wins-powers-paassen-outsprints-compton&#039;, &#039;&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cxmagazine.com/2012-world-cup-tabor-pauwels-wins-powers-paassen-outsprints-compton&lt;/a&gt;

Of course it helped that he had a pit bike.

And it helped that he&#039;s Sven Nys. He fought back and finished 5th.

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Yeah that was some unreal, hardman shit.  At the rate he was going he&#039;d have picked up 4th if he&#039;d had another lap.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-142605" rel="nofollow">@G&#8217;rilla</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142603" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> You&#8217;re in good company. On the same day only a few hours earlier, Sven Nys also broke his chain and had to run half a lap.</p>
<p><a class="vm_linkablecontent" href="javascript:vm_DisplayContent('http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cxmagazine.com%2F2012-world-cup-tabor-pauwels-wins-powers-paassen-outsprints-compton', '');" rel="nofollow">http://www.cxmagazine.com/2012-world-cup-tabor-pauwels-wins-powers-paassen-outsprints-compton</a></p>
<p>Of course it helped that he had a pit bike.</p>
<p>And it helped that he&#8217;s Sven Nys. He fought back and finished 5th.</p>
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<p>Yeah that was some unreal, <a href="https://www.velominati.com/the-lexicon/#hardman">hardman</a> shit.  At the rate he was going he&#8217;d have picked up 4th if he&#8217;d had another lap.</p>
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		By: VeloVita		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VeloVita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142453&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@San Tonio&lt;/a&gt;

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Good work there on the chain.

I attended as a spectator a cyclocross race over the weekend and several guys crashed in front of me. One teenage racer fell chest first on his handlebars, made a face and kept going.



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Indeed chest first into the handlebars is less that fun.  I did that in a cross race last season on the first lap, but was able to get up and finish the race.  I did the race the next week as well as a few road rides in between and the week after that before it was determined that I had a cracked sternum.  That said, I think my experience with that injury is somewhat atypical - I&#039;m I&#039;m going to crash, I&#039;d definitely prefer it to be in a cross race as opposed to on the road since the landing tends to be much softer (unless you land headfirst onto a barrier as above).  I can&#039;t remember a cross race where I haven&#039;t crashed or come very close to crashing at least once.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-142453" rel="nofollow">@San Tonio</a></p>
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Good work there on the chain.</p>
<p>I attended as a spectator a cyclocross race over the weekend and several guys crashed in front of me. One teenage racer fell chest first on his handlebars, made a face and kept going.</p>
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<p>Indeed chest first into the handlebars is less that fun.  I did that in a cross race last season on the first lap, but was able to get up and finish the race.  I did the race the next week as well as a few road rides in between and the week after that before it was determined that I had a cracked sternum.  That said, I think my experience with that injury is somewhat atypical &#8211; I&#8217;m I&#8217;m going to crash, I&#8217;d definitely prefer it to be in a cross race as opposed to on the road since the landing tends to be much softer (unless you land headfirst onto a barrier as above).  I can&#8217;t remember a cross race where I haven&#8217;t crashed or come very close to crashing at least once.</p>
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		By: razmaspaz		</title>
		<link>https://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/comment-page-1/#comment-143028</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[razmaspaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did my first race on Sunday, and while it was surprisingly short on crashing, it was very long on fun.  Looking forward to getting back out there.  I won&#039;t consider myself a real CX racer until my face is covered in mud from a fall, but for now I&#039;ll enjoy my upright racing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did my first race on Sunday, and while it was surprisingly short on crashing, it was very long on fun.  Looking forward to getting back out there.  I won&#8217;t consider myself a real CX racer until my face is covered in mud from a fall, but for now I&#8217;ll enjoy my upright racing.</p>
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		By: Marko		</title>
		<link>https://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/comment-page-1/#comment-143027</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142646&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@G&#039;rilla&lt;/a&gt; Those pics are great. Now all someone needs to do is photoshop the words off. You guys are looking smooth good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-142646" rel="nofollow">@G&#8217;rilla</a> Those pics are great. Now all someone needs to do is photoshop the words off. You guys are looking smooth good.</p>
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		By: Buck Rogers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buck Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; href=&quot;#comment-143011&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@wiscot&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-143011&quot;&gt;
Speaking of all things CX, does anyone know how Joey&#039;s doing? Is he ok?

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+1!  Where&#039;s the vid?]]></description>
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Speaking of all things CX, does anyone know how Joey&#8217;s doing? Is he ok?</p>
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<p>+1!  Where&#8217;s the vid?</p>
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		By: wiscot		</title>
		<link>https://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/comment-page-1/#comment-143011</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wiscot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking of all things CX, does anyone know how Joey&#039;s doing? Is he ok?]]></description>
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		By: brianc		</title>
		<link>https://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/comment-page-1/#comment-143010</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brianc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142578&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Benny&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-142578&quot;&gt;
&lt;a class=&quot;vm_anchor&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; onclick=&quot;setTimeout(&#039;CheckForMissingComment();&#039;, 200);&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142563&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@San Tonio&lt;/a&gt;Or like this

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&#038;scale=yes&#038;width=600&#038;height=700&#038;quality=85&#038;maintain_aspect=yes&#038;rounding=nearest&#038;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Benny/2012.10.23.00.14.05/DSC_6770.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;600&quot; height=&quot;399&quot; /&gt;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hate to quibble here (and apologies if this is you), but generally you want the elbow in-board of the saddle. This allows two things - holding the bike out (as Frank puts it &quot;like it has the clap&quot;) which protects your space. Depending on how crowded things are for your race, this may or may not be necessary. The far more practical reason, is that if you misjudge the height of what you&#039;re going over, or don&#039;t have tons of practice such that you have everything completely dialed in, the bike isn&#039;t going to hit said barrier and bounce the saddle into your armpit thus throwing you god knows where.

Also, a water bottle? This is a &#039;cross race. It&#039;s less than an hour and more to the point - how do you plan on shouldering the bike w/ that thing there?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-142578" rel="nofollow">@Benny</a></p>
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<a class="vm_anchor" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" onclick="setTimeout('CheckForMissingComment();', 200);" href="#comment-142563" rel="nofollow">@San Tonio</a>Or like this</p>
<p><img src="http://www.velominati.com/wp-content/plugins/dm-albums/php/image.php?degrees=0&amp;scale=yes&amp;width=600&amp;height=700&amp;quality=85&amp;maintain_aspect=yes&amp;rounding=nearest&amp;image=/home/frankdstrack/velominati.com/wp-content/uploads/readers/Benny/2012.10.23.00.14.05/DSC_6770.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="399" /></p>
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<p>Hate to quibble here (and apologies if this is you), but generally you want the elbow in-board of the saddle. This allows two things &#8211; holding the bike out (as Frank puts it &#8220;like it has the clap&#8221;) which protects your space. Depending on how crowded things are for your race, this may or may not be necessary. The far more practical reason, is that if you misjudge the height of what you&#8217;re going over, or don&#8217;t have tons of practice such that you have everything completely dialed in, the bike isn&#8217;t going to hit said barrier and bounce the saddle into your armpit thus throwing you god knows where.</p>
<p>Also, a water bottle? This is a &#8216;cross race. It&#8217;s less than an hour and more to the point &#8211; how do you plan on shouldering the bike w/ that thing there?</p>
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		<link>https://www.velominati.com/racing/the-thin-boundary-between-casual-and-deliberate/comment-page-1/#comment-143000</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RedRanger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a class=&quot;comment_response&quot; style=&quot;text-decoration: none; color: #606060;&quot; href=&quot;#comment-142840&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ali McKee&lt;/a&gt; Why not have both?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="comment_response" style="text-decoration: none; color: #606060;" href="#comment-142840" rel="nofollow">@Ali McKee</a> Why not have both?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Frank, I know exactly of which corner you speak. Last year I made it through all those corners just fine. However, there was one corner at Fort Stilly... Let&#039;s just say the only one I took out was myself and since I had gapped my pursuers you can imagine how embarrassing that felt when they all caught up and passed me.... *sigh*]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank, I know exactly of which corner you speak. Last year I made it through all those corners just fine. However, there was one corner at Fort Stilly&#8230; Let&#8217;s just say the only one I took out was myself and since I had gapped my pursuers you can imagine how embarrassing that felt when they all caught up and passed me&#8230;. *sigh*</p>
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		By: Ali McKee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ali McKee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please please please can everyone stop talking about and posting photos of cyclocross! I am in enough trouble as it is!!

&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-142600&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@frank&lt;/a&gt; how do you find it compared to mtbing? I don&#039;t know if I could ever swap my MTB for a cx bike even though I see the attraction of it being more similar to the road bike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please please please can everyone stop talking about and posting photos of cyclocross! I am in enough trouble as it is!!</p>
<p><a href="#comment-142600" rel="nofollow">@frank</a> how do you find it compared to mtbing? I don&#8217;t know if I could ever swap my MTB for a cx bike even though I see the attraction of it being more similar to the road bike</p>
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