The Keepers

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Cycling is a mighty sport with a rich and complex history. Every company, racer, piece of kit, and component has a legend, a story behind it; in many cases it also has a personal and nostalgic connection to our lives.  While this particular sport is steeped in tradition, it is also fiercely modern, a fact that serves only to deepen its complexity.

All these factors combine to provide an unique atmosphere and breeds devoted and loyal disciples of our great sport. We are of a peculiar nature; we seek out the highest mountains and the roughest roads on which to worship at the altar of the Man with the Hammer. Our legs are what propel us; our minds are what drive us. We refer to our shaved legs in the third person – the legs – and speak of distance in kilometres and measure sizes in centimetres regardless of what country we are in.  We adhere strictly to the Canon of Cycling’s Etiquette: The Rules.

A Velominatus is a disciple of the highest order. We spend our days poring over the very essence of what makes ours such a special sport and how that essence fits into Cycling’s colorful fabric.  This is the Velominati’s raison d’être. This is where the Velominati can be ourselves. This is our agony – our badge of honor – our sin.

I have a unique way of looking at bicycles. A good bicycle and it’s components are beautiful things to me. I’m not just talking about appearance, but also how the frame and components show the dreams of those who made them.

– Gianni Bugno, Hardman and Italian cycling legend

Perhaps we are too wrapped up in the past, but the Velominati don’t believe that to be the case.  After all, the greatest lessons can be learned from the past and those lessons can then be applied to the present and may then allow us to more fully experience the future.

The Keepers:

The Community:

Velominati.com is less about the articles and more about the conversation. Those of you who read more and poster more, become an integral part of the discussion and help carry the momentum forward. There are several levels of Velominatus*:

Level 4 Velominatus: The casual observer and occasional poster.

Level 3 Velominatus: The regular reader and casual poster.

Level 2 Velominatus: The devoted reader and regular poster.

Level 1 Velominatus: The most committed of reader and poster.

Gray, Black, and Orange Order Velominatus: Once having passed Level 1, the inducted among the Order wear three color badges, based on their rank.

Conduct:

We strive to foster an open, fun, critical, and censure-free environment. Any criticism of our writing, spelling, grammar, or intelligence is welcome and nothing said will ever get you suspended from the site. That said, the code of conduct is governed by Rule #43 and the Piti Principle. Members consistently exhibiting behavior that falls outside these parameters will be warned to check themselves; should warnings go unheeded, we may elect to issue a suspension. The first offense will result in a one-week suspension, the second in a two week suspension, and the third in a three week suspension. A fourth offense will result in a lifetime ban.

Velominati reserves the right to edit posts with the express interest to preserve the spirit of the conversation and the community. Regarding posts that address a grammatical or typographical error, Velominati may elect to take their input, correct the error in the articles where appropriate, and editing posts that point them out. This editorial action is not to serve as a censure entity, but to preserve the spirit of the conversation. That said, we endeavor to only edit those posts that point out a minor issue and only in the event that we make the edit before the post has yielded further discussion. Furthermore, when possible, we will strive to acknowledge said poster for their correction.

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*Levels are calculated based on the previous year’s activity.

  1. @Frank

    anyone can fuck up. It’s how one deals with fuck-ups that’s the real measure of a person. Whatever else is happening in your life the current fuck-up that I know about is going on for far too long without an attempt to resolve it.

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  2. @davidlhill

    @Frank

    anyone can fuck up. It’s how one deals with fuck-ups that’s the real measure of a person. Whatever else is happening in your life the current fuck-up that I know about is going on for far too long without an attempt to resolve it.

    David

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    And in my case resolution would be for you to write a 1 line email to the suppliers saying “Let David Hill buy a Velominati shirt direct from you”.

    Simple as.

    However, since I’ve been asking for this since the spring it seems even that can’t be done.




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  3. Anyone else having problems getting gear? am waiting since December 2016 for my delivery and no response from the Dispatch Monkey with the Long Arms.




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  4. @KogaLover

    There has been an almighty cock-up to end all cock-ups and sadly Frank appears to be burying his head in the sand. I’ve been waiting since July 2016 and he won’t respond to emails (or messages here – see above).




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  5. Seems that @Frank‘s balance may be better on a bike than a ladder! Take it easy and heal well @Frank. Apparently he is laid up with a broken shoulder.




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  6. @Teocalli

    Seems that @Frank‘s balance may be better on a bike than a ladder! Take it easy and heal well @Frank. Apparently he is laid up with a broken shoulder.

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    Isn’t he supposed to be holding court at the Rouleur Classic this weekend?




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  7. @Steve Trice

    @Teocalli

    Seems that @Frank‘s balance may be better on a bike than a ladder! Take it easy and heal well @Frank. Apparently he is laid up with a broken shoulder.

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    Isn’t he supposed to be holding court at the Rouleur Classic this weekend?

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    Yes but he’s had to cancel.




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  8. @Teocalli

    @Steve Trice

    @Teocalli

    Seems that @Frank‘s balance may be better on a bike than a ladder! Take it easy and heal well @Frank. Apparently he is laid up with a broken shoulder.

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    Isn’t he supposed to be holding court at the Rouleur Classic this weekend?

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    Yes but he’s had to cancel.

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    Ah, shite luck. Get well soon Frank you twat.




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  9. Get well soon Frank. Look on the bright side, this happened in November, not June or July. Get thee on the turbo trainer and you’ll be raring to go for 2018.




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  10. Best Wishes for a speedy recovery, Frank.




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  11. @wiscot

    If Frank is laid up recovering it could be a good opportunity to write or publish a new article hint hint wink wink.




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  12. @RobSandy

    @wiscot

    If Frank is laid up recovering it could be a good opportunity to write or publish a new article hint hint wink wink.

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    You mean like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLRZ0dIvwHY




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  13. @RobSandy

    @wiscot

    If Frank is laid up recovering it could be a good opportunity to write or publish a new article hint hint wink wink.

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    Some in the UK might have seen his, but seeing as a new article is a long shot, here’s a great interview with Phillipa York. I wish her all the best for the future.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/scotland/41848100




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  14. @wiscot

    @RobSandy

    @wiscot

    If Frank is laid up recovering it could be a good opportunity to write or publish a new article hint hint wink wink.

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    Some in the UK might have seen his, but seeing as a new article is a long shot, here’s a great interview with Phillipa York. I wish her all the best for the future.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/scotland/41848100

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    in my industry, working where i work, i was fortunate LONG ago to learn firsthand that, usually, fame, success, and money, don’t often mean happiness. as a result, not only am i extremely grateful for who i am and what i have, i am always thrilled when a “famous”, “successful”, or “wealthy” person decides to leave some, or all of it, behind to seek balance and peace. good for Philippa York. i hope the world does her a favor now, and leaves her to her own peaceful devices.




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  15. @wiscot

    @RobSandy

    @wiscot

    If Frank is laid up recovering it could be a good opportunity to write or publish a new article hint hint wink wink.

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    You mean like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLRZ0dIvwHY

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    Say no more!




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  16. Well, I’d post an article if I wasn’t locked out of the site dashboard…




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  17. it seems strange to kill the site so soon after releasing a second book. one would think the opposite action would be wiser.




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  18. Just popped back in for a random hello. Off the bike currently primarily because of a planned move to Oz. The bike has gone ahead of me (by several months!). Nevertheless things round here seem very quiet, I think I just saw some virtual tumbleweed roll across the screen. Are you all out riding (Chapeau!) or are things just kind of Xmas quiet?




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  19. @Deakus

    Just popped back in for a random hello. Off the bike currently primarily because of a planned move to Oz. The bike has gone ahead of me (by several months!). Nevertheless things round here seem very quiet, I think I just saw some virtual tumbleweed roll across the screen. Are you all out riding (Chapeau!) or are things just kind of Xmas quiet?

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    No @Deakus that’s pretty much the permanent state of affairs.

    The Keepers have split up/left with Frank in sole charge, there are no new articles being posted and all offers or pleas to allow anyone else to contribute or help have been ignored.

    So it’s pretty much a ghost town apart from a handful of regulars who check in now and again. I do it less and less as time goes on.

    I never thought I’d miss those stupid iced biscuits.




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  20. @ChrisO

    Wow, that is a sad state of affairs. Such a shame to see things wither on the vine like that.




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  21. Frank will most likely be fine with or without this website. Marco has been good for a good while now. Most that have been part of this community are good with or without this place. There are a few still hanging on, even using this website to promote themselves. ChuckP. Of course many have lost interest.




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  22. Marko




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  23. My wishes for the New Year:

    1) Super Prestige gets updated for 17 finals AND we get an 18 contest

    2) An article is posted on why alloy bikes are best vs C and steel

    3) Someone posts pic’s of their sea foam green Specialisimma… with disc brakes… (hah, just jokes on that part)

    4) And a big pile of more classic bike pics too ’cause It’s really all about the bike after all

    5) We’re debating the merits of Sagan’s victory at PR

    Cheers all for the New Year !




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  24. @Randy C

    My wishes for the New Year:

    1) Super Prestige gets updated for 17 finals AND we get an 18 contest

    2) An article is posted on why alloy bikes are best vs C and steel

    3) Someone posts pic’s of their sea foam green Specialisimma… with disc brakes… (hah, just jokes on that part)

    4) And a big pile of more classic bike pics too ’cause It’s really all about the bike after all

    5) We’re debating the merits of Sagan’s victory at PR

    Cheers all for the New Year !

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    i’d like to see Sagan knock off MSR and de Ronde, really. those races are made for him. PR would be a bonus.




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  25. @emerson

    Frank will most likely be fine with or without this website. Marco has been good for a good while now. Most that have been part of this community are good with or without this place. There are a few still hanging on, even using this website to promote themselves. ChuckP. Of course many have lost interest.

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    Chuck’s still around.

    I guess what gets me is that two books have come out under the V moniker and that this site was the foundation for those books. Frank has parlayed that into regular writing and speaking gigs. (I’ll not mention the clothing). As the books and other gigs have taken off, it seems like the very foundations of all things V (this site) have been badly neglected. some of the Keepers visit occasionally, but Frank not at all.

    This might be a bad analogy, but the Velominati is the house that Frank and some friends built. The house got several additions built onto it over the years and was very welcoming to guests who wanted to visit and help out. Slowly, but surely those guests found the home increasingly unreceptive to ideas on how to decorate, keep the place welcoming and inviting. Currently the house is still standing but the foundation is crumbling and fewer and fewer people visit. Hopefully the house will not be condemned anytime soon, but it’s not looking good.




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  26. Gianni and I have been trying to get our book royalties for months, nay years, and we don’t even get replies to our emails. We’re owed a lot of money but have just about lost hope of ever seeing it, like all the people who got ripped off with kit orders too. Sad state of affairs, especially as we were all (supposed to be) friends.




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  27. @Brett

    I still visit regularly and somewhere I still have a hope that my kit-order of December 30, 2016, still will find its way to my bike-laden garage; after all, I do not want to have to remove the name tags/decals from my other bikes simply because I could not get the name tags for my new bike (which is already more than one year old), just because I am OCD about symmetry.

    But your comment confirmed what I suspected: it’s all about the money and the money/success is what brings this site & community down. Really too bad.

    @Wiscot

    I agree with your “house” analogy but I do not think the house has become unreceptive for new ideas or that the foundation is crumbling (not yet at least); rather that it is not well maintained or heated anymore (Rule #5 and #9 correct me in my thinking here) hence people move out and do not even come in anymore.

    I also think @emerson referred to @chuckp as someone who advertises for/promotes his mag and articles and not that @chuckp is not around anymore.

    Who is not around anymore is @BuckRogers! What ever did Uncle Sam do to him; last thing he was still eye-balling US-privates in Germany?




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  28. @ChrisO

    @Deakus

    Just popped back in for a random hello. Off the bike currently primarily because of a planned move to Oz. The bike has gone ahead of me (by several months!). Nevertheless things round here seem very quiet, I think I just saw some virtual tumbleweed roll across the screen. Are you all out riding (Chapeau!) or are things just kind of Xmas quiet?

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    No @Deakus that’s pretty much the permanent state of affairs.

    The Keepers have split up/left with Frank in sole charge, there are no new articles being posted and all offers or pleas to allow anyone else to contribute or help have been ignored.

    So it’s pretty much a ghost town apart from a handful of regulars who check in now and again. I do it less and less as time goes on.

    I never thought I’d miss those stupid iced biscuits.

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    https://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/peter-sagan-spreads-holiday-cheer-baking-cookies/

    Did someone say biscuits?




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  29. @Brett

    Gianni and I have been trying to get our book royalties for months, nay years, and we don’t even get replies to our emails. We’re owed a lot of money but have just about lost hope of ever seeing it, like all the people who got ripped off with kit orders too. Sad state of affairs, especially as we were all (supposed to be) friends.

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    It’s unfortunate that this site is such a global phenomenon, Frank’s behaviour is nothing short of criminal but who really has jurisdiction when the aggrieved parties are spread around the world? There will be no 3rd book, Frank has shown his true colours and we should demonstrate our disappointment and exasperation at him and those who still support him by boycotting their product. Yes, I’m looking at you Cyclist mag (although he’s missing from the latest edition 69) I expect to see a letter about mates ripping off mates to answer for any return… And Rouleur? Don’t even think about it.




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  30. @KogaLover

    @Brett

    I still visit regularly and somewhere I still have a hope that my kit-order of December 30, 2016, still will find its way to my bike-laden garage; after all, I do not want to have to remove the name tags/decals from my other bikes simply because I could not get the name tags for my new bike (which is already more than one year old), just because I am OCD about symmetry.

    But your comment confirmed what I suspected: it’s all about the money and the money/success is what brings this site & community down. Really too bad.

    @Wiscot

    I agree with your “house” analogy but I do not think the house has become unreceptive for new ideas or that the foundation is crumbling (not yet at least); rather that it is not well maintained or heated anymore (Rule #5 and #9 correct me in my thinking here) hence people move out and do not even come in anymore.

    I also think @emerson referred to @chuckp as someone who advertises for/promotes his mag and articles and not that @chuckp is not around anymore.

    Who is not around anymore is @BuckRogers! What ever did Uncle Sam do to him; last thing he was still eye-balling US-privates in Germany?

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    I think Frank can be labelled an absentee landlord. Maybe he drives by on occasion, but doesn’t stop in to see if everything’s ok. He’s just maximizing his cash flow.




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  31. @JohnB

    @Brett

    Gianni and I have been trying to get our book royalties for months, nay years, and we don’t even get replies to our emails. We’re owed a lot of money but have just about lost hope of ever seeing it, like all the people who got ripped off with kit orders too. Sad state of affairs, especially as we were all (supposed to be) friends.

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    It’s unfortunate that this site is such a global phenomenon, Frank’s behaviour is nothing short of criminal but who really has jurisdiction when the aggrieved parties are spread around the world? There will be no 3rd book, Frank has shown his true colours and we should demonstrate our disappointment and exasperation at him and those who still support him by boycotting their product. Yes, I’m looking at you Cyclist mag (although he’s missing from the latest edition 69) I expect to see a letter about mates ripping off mates to answer for any return… And Rouleur? Don’t even think about it.

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    Gents, while I also think something’s fishy and something big happened, I think we should abide with the “innocent until proven guilty” paradigm, as well as letting the protagonists state each side of their case. It’s all hearsay and blackbox to me, so would appreciate if particularly @Frank can explain. Last thing I heard was, he fell of a ladder (not a wagon) and is still recovering. He must be doing something with the website since old articles get recycled every now and then.

    And where’s @BuckRogers?




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  32. @Brett

    Gianni and I have been trying to get our book royalties for months, nay years, and we don’t even get replies to our emails. We’re owed a lot of money but have just about lost hope of ever seeing it, like all the people who got ripped off with kit orders too. Sad state of affairs, especially as we were all (supposed to be) friends.

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    wow.

    So Frank has not only taken money for kit that will never be delivered (June 2016 was my order date), he isn’t handing over money to (presumably ex) mates for the books.

    So, either Frank has officially adotped the COTHO moniker, or………. struggling to find the way to end the sentance.

    Sad.




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  33. @davidlhill

    @Brett

    wow.

    So Frank has not only taken money for kit that will never be delivered (June 2016 was my order date), he isn’t handing over money to (presumably ex) mates for the books.

    So, either Frank has officially adotped the COTHO moniker, or………. struggling to find the way to end the sentance.

    Sad.

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    or… @Frank has given a new meaning to the word Keeper




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  34. I’m sorry to hear that @Brett and @Gianni have also suffered materially. That’s an even worse state of affairs than I imagined.

    Personally what annoys me most was that all the stuff about it being a community has been thrown under the bus.

    We all contributed to this site and in small ways helped it be successful – how many people came here because they heard of the Rules and then stayed for the different articles and comments which were completely unlike anything else you could find. In many ways it provided some deflection from the people who viewed the rules as a bunch of silly wank. It was truly a very different place to the rest of the internet and nobody begrudged it being leveraged into some success and reward for Frank and the other keepers.

    I think that sense of community was genuine on our part and it could have continued as a community-run thing, even if Frank wanted to go off and do his thing. Various offers and suggestions have been made to that effect, all ignored. It’s a great shame that someone who often spoke of and encouraged that sense of community has apparently just left it to rot.




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  35. @KogaLover

    @Brett

    I still visit regularly and somewhere I still have a hope that my kit-order of December 30, 2016, still will find its way to my bike-laden garage; after all, I do not want to have to remove the name tags/decals from my other bikes simply because I could not get the name tags for my new bike (which is already more than one year old), just because I am OCD about symmetry.

    But your comment confirmed what I suspected: it’s all about the money and the money/success is what brings this site & community down. Really too bad.

    @Wiscot

    I agree with your “house” analogy but I do not think the house has become unreceptive for new ideas or that the foundation is crumbling (not yet at least); rather that it is not well maintained or heated anymore (Rule #5 and #9 correct me in my thinking here) hence people move out and do not even come in anymore.

    I also think @emerson referred to @chuckp as someone who advertises for/promotes his mag and articles and not that @chuckp is not around anymore.

    Who is not around anymore is @BuckRogers! What ever did Uncle Sam do to him; last thing he was still eye-balling US-privates in Germany?

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    Chuck’s links and references to his other site never offended me. His socks, on the other hand…




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  36. @ChrisO

    I’m sorry to hear that @Brett and @Gianni have also suffered materially. That’s an even worse state of affairs than I imagined.

    Personally what annoys me most was that all the stuff about it being a community has been thrown under the bus.

    We all contributed to this site and in small ways helped it be successful – how many people came here because they heard of the Rules and then stayed for the different articles and comments which were completely unlike anything else you could find. In many ways it provided some deflection from the people who viewed the rules as a bunch of silly wank. It was truly a very different place to the rest of the internet and nobody begrudged it being leveraged into some success and reward for Frank and the other keepers.

    I think that sense of community was genuine on our part and it could have continued as a community-run thing, even if Frank wanted to go off and do his thing. Various offers and suggestions have been made to that effect, all ignored. It’s a great shame that someone who often spoke of and encouraged that sense of community has apparently just left it to rot.

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    Hear hear.




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  37. @KogaLover

    @JohnB

    @Brett

    Gianni and I have been trying to get our book royalties for months, nay years, and we don’t even get replies to our emails. We’re owed a lot of money but have just about lost hope of ever seeing it, like all the people who got ripped off with kit orders too. Sad state of affairs, especially as we were all (supposed to be) friends.

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    It’s unfortunate that this site is such a global phenomenon, Frank’s behaviour is nothing short of criminal but who really has jurisdiction when the aggrieved parties are spread around the world? There will be no 3rd book, Frank has shown his true colours and we should demonstrate our disappointment and exasperation at him and those who still support him by boycotting their product. Yes, I’m looking at you Cyclist mag (although he’s missing from the latest edition 69) I expect to see a letter about mates ripping off mates to answer for any return… And Rouleur? Don’t even think about it.

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    Gents, while I also think something’s fishy and something big happened, I think we should abide with the “innocent until proven guilty” paradigm, as well as letting the protagonists state each side of their case. It’s all hearsay and blackbox to me, so would appreciate if particularly @Frank can explain. Last thing I heard was, he fell of a ladder (not a wagon) and is still recovering. He must be doing something with the website since old articles get recycled every now and then.

    And where’s @BuckRogers?

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    I’m inclined to agree with @KogaLover here. While there is evidently ill-feeling and perceived wrongdoing, I think it’s the civilised thing to do to give @frank a chance to explain.




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  38. @MangoDave

    Chuck’s links and references to his other site never offended me. His socks, on the other hand…

    Mission accomplished!

    I know I engage in shameless self-promotion but II do so with stuff I think y’all might be interested in. And I get no financial compensation in return. FYI, PEZ isn’t my website. Richard Pestes is the publisher. I’m just a contributor.

    i’m still around but not as active for a number of reasons. One is because the content has fallen off. I try to chime in whenever someone posts something of interest. But while I can access the site during the day, I can’t actually post from my work computer. And when I get home, it’s usually some sort of bike ride and then family stuff.




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  39. At the risk of incurring the wrath of my fellow Velominati, here’s my latest on PEZ. A review of The Wrong Side of Comfortable by Amy Charity. The book is a good read.

    https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/pez-bookshelf-the-wrong-side-of-comfortable/#.Wkjl3yOZPdQ




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  40. P,S, HAPPY NEW YEAR!




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  41. HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!




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  42. @Deakus

    HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

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    Ditto to one and all. Happy and safe riding over the next year.

    I’ll be doing the rollers today as the wind chill is around -30.




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  43. @wiscot

    @Deakus

    HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

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    Ditto to one and all. Happy and safe riding over the next year.

    I’ll be doing the rollers today as the wind chill is around -30.

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    Ditto inc the rollers – though fortunately not the -30. Best Wishes to All for a great 2018. Only 3 more weeks of work. Yeah!!




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  44. @chuckp

    At the risk of incurring the wrath of my fellow Velominati, here’s my latest on PEZ. A review of The Wrong Side of Comfortable by Amy Charity. The book is a good read.

    https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/pez-bookshelf-the-wrong-side-of-comfortable/#.Wkjl3yOZPdQ

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    Nice write up, thanks for the link. No wrath!




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  45. @wiscot

    @Deakus

    HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

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    Ditto to one and all. Happy and safe riding over the next year.

    I’ll be doing the rollers today as the wind chill is around -30.




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    Crap, that sound cold! Did about 60 km yesterday, cool and cloudy, but very pleasant out.




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  46. @MangoDave

    @chuckp

    At the risk of incurring the wrath of my fellow Velominati, here’s my latest on PEZ. A review of The Wrong Side of Comfortable by Amy Charity. The book is a good read.

    https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/pez-bookshelf-the-wrong-side-of-comfortable/#.Wkjl3yOZPdQ

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    Nice write up, thanks for the link. No wrath!

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    Agree… loved the interview too. good stuff, Cheers @chuckp




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  47. @MangoDave

    @wiscot

    @Deakus

    HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

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    Ditto to one and all. Happy and safe riding over the next year.

    I’ll be doing the rollers today as the wind chill is around -30.

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    Crap, that sound cold! Did about 60 km yesterday, cool and cloudy, but very pleasant out.

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    It is – and was. Supposed to be about 24 degrees on Sunday, so I’m thinking of taking the fat bike up to Lake Winnebago. I hear there’s over 12″: of ice on it so I should be ok . . .




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  48. The Hardmen book was the tits. I read Kings of the Road way back in the 80’s and thought it was a good book at the time but many years later and many drug scandals later, the Festina Affair and Big Tex being the main ones. Hardmen is where it really is at. The “Klasickiers” I think really are the hardmen, as far as the best grand tour winners it all remains more questionable in a way.




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