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This sounds great!  I will rub some in to Mrs Deakus tonight and see if she squeals…failing that your spam has gone bad and you should move along….there is nothing to see here for you!

Just saw a ’97 Serotta Colorado frame on e-bay for a reasonable price ( red, with a Kinesis carbon fork) and wondered how you’ve gotten on with this build, now 2 years on.  Did it meet your expectations?

Brett :

minion :
@Brett Remember your own sins before you start chucking rocks, Mr Roubaix with the disco bunny bar tape and (eugggrh…HTFU) zertz.

Yeah, yeah… I’ve repented. Roubaix, as you well know, is sold; much like you sold the sweet 853 Condor with Chorus and bought a plastic bike with (eugggrh) Ultegra!
@frank
@roadslave
I’m leaning more towards l’Iseran, with more switchbacks near the top than the Galibier, from what I can glean from a search of images. But I’m probably waaay off… Oli, this is right up your alley!

Yeah I’d buy that bike back in a flash if it was for sale. Lets not trample all over the plastic ultegra bike though, at least till one day before I’ve had it for 2 years and I go from full replacement insurance to depreciated rates…

It’s been nigh on impossible sourcing nice 40 or 42cm classic silver bars and a 110mm quill (or 120mm) that’s not exorbitant…

I’ve got a ’91 Gazelle Champion du Mondial AA Special that’s a similar blue / chrome scheme to the Serotta – I’ll try find a picture.

NOTE: On a V harnessing day, ow == yes. However, if I had written, “yes, yes, yes, yes” above, people would not have been thinking about riding things other than bikes.

The photog is a sniveling carbon dispensary who doesn’t know his ass from his elbow. What fuck knuckle. 100K for a photo that the “artist” doesn’t even fucking know what it is.

Please give me back a world where a top-end bike costs less than a car, where we had frames built in the country where they were designed, and photographers either sat on the back of a moto or fucked off and left us alone.

Also, there appears to be a peleton followed by the team car caravan in the lower right corner, just abeam of the gentleman’s elbow. The riders are tightly bunched, not strung out as on a descent. Thus the group are on their way up. In which case it can’t be the 2007 Tour for the reasons others have noted and the photog is, dare we say, a COTHO.

Whatever it is, there are plenty of awesome cycling-related photos – and that’s not one.

Unless the photog is sufficiently twattish that it’s not the TDF at all but the Dauphine or some shit.

@all
Final answer:
Fizik all black antares
Fizik microtex black tape
Cinelli 101 stem – silver
Cinelli campione del mundo bars – silver
IRD techno glide headset – silver
wippermann connex chain
black anodized sealed bearing jockey wheels
generic carbon fiber seat post I had in my shop
Just gonna slide some jagwire or shimano cable through the gore housing. It’s really the only way I can support my local little limited shop.
And, I removed the decals from the bonti rims. Much sharper look and it’ll be our dirty little secret.

I’ll go with the gp 4-seasons but am having trouble deciding betwixed 25’s and 28’s. The 28’s will smooth out the ride more and be better for gravelling but the 25’s will roll nicer on the tarmac. Hmmm.

Thanks for all the input. I’ll post pics in a week or two when all arrives and I have time to build it up.

BTW currently de-anodising, polishing and building up a 84 Centurion.

Good luck!

… whilst she thinks we are all mad, the good news is that she now knows I’m not alone in my insanity. Who knew – building bridges between her world and mine though an arty photo of the TdF would lead to a detente about TFB*?

Again, many thanks.

*That fucking bike

If confirmed, this will give you the pleasure of being able to face the “smirks of this group of intellectual arty mother fuckers” with confirmation of the idiot nature of the artist who couldn’t even identify which way the bikes were going.

Brett, your link doesn’t work, but I think that’s the shifty developer’s shoddy coding’s fault, not yours. I’ll work on that.

I am anxious for Oli to chime in! In fact I believe that Bugno ran into a spectator in ’93 on one of those turns near the top, riding a bike that very nearly resembles Oli’s TSX.

minion :

@Brett
Remember your own sins before you start chucking rocks, Mr Roubaix with the disco bunny bar tape and (eugggrh…HTFU) zertz.

Yeah, yeah… I’ve repented. Roubaix, as you well know, is sold; much like you sold the sweet 853 Condor with Chorus and bought a plastic bike with (eugggrh) Ultegra!

@frank

@roadslave

I’m leaning more towards l’Iseran, with more switchbacks near the top than the Galibier, from what I can glean from a search of images. But I’m probably waaay off… Oli, this is right up your alley!

Last night, I went as a +1 to my wife’s trendy work thingy, the Frieze Art Fair opening in London. She works in the art world… sorry. There were lots of beards, strangely, and many pairs of stripper heels on some inappropriately aged and dressed hot looking women.. but I digress.

Bored shitless, I wandered the stalls, until I came across this (Frank, I’ve emailed you the JPEG… pls insert here, ideally with a cool hyperlink on the ‘this’ so people think I’m down with the kids and wired), which is a Gursky (estimated sale value $100,000+, I shit you not)… entitled “Tour de France 2007”. Given the price, I’m somewhat irritated. Bigshot photographer he may be, but he could at least tell us the fucking stage he was photographing (from a fucking helicopter, with a sodding expensive Hasselbladd – spelling may be off, sorry)…

Anyhow, the wife turns to me, and says “My husband seems to like this cycling lark, HE can tell us exactly which stage of the TdF this was, who was in the lead, etc.” at which point I said I’d get back to them, and am now on this website, saying please help. Please, please help. i cannot face the smirks of this group of intellectual arty mother fuckers who will look at me with confirmation of my idiot nature that I can’t even identify a single stage of a fucking bike race, whilst they can take a pile of bricks and some tarts soiled underwear and sell both for over $1m apiece.

What is the stage of the 2007 Tour de France is this? Which climb is it? What other trivia should I know? BROKEN ARROW! BROKEN ARROW!

Needless to say, she hadn’t been told anything about a new bike purchase nor did she hear anything past $9,000.

Marko :

@Brett
What wacky suggestions?

Yellow brake pads, blue tape, white saddles, anodized jockey wheels… should I go on?

@Marcus

EMC2’s are pretty good bikes, I see a few around, mainly lower priced ones. The Team looks pretty nice. Eric MacKenzie was a famous racer here, and rode the Tour. I don’t think he builds frames, just desingns them, but I guess he gets his carbon stuff farmed out from China.

Being an Aussie in NZ, do you have an opinion on EMC2 bikes. I loaded up on an ebay deal too good to be true and so far I am happy with it – Team issue, Record 10 speed and Fulcrum zeros (which clash I know).

I don’t know about getting too hung up on ‘period’ componentry for this bike, after all, it’s not a frickin steel Colnago or Merckx, it’s an ALUMINIUM Serotta, and intended as a bit of a beater, no? No Offence meant, but I think putting a Brooks saddle on it would then necessitate ditching those Bontrager wheels.

Now I’m almost finished my Bosomworth build, reading these comments makes me wonder a little if I should have gone traditional/period on the build. But what I’m going for is a nice riding steel frame with modern components that will be my primary bike, one that I want to ride and enjoy, and can be upgraded to a more modern steel frame in the future. I’m looking at older steel bikes now for a winter/commuter, and it will end up with older stuff on it. Marko, you need to remember the purpose of the bike, keep it simple (you know, Shimano and Bontrager ain’t flash!)

Got my Ambrosios laced up, just waiting for my ITM bar and a nice post, then we’re done!

Negatory on the downtube shifters, i’ve already got the gruppo. But it would be sweet if I was doing that much of a build. Next build, steel, downtube shifters

No offence taken. Beautiful bars. I’m a big fan of polished bars – I will probably be doing a bit of de-anodising and polishing this winter.

next question: what about down tube shifters?

@Marcus

Saw a good bumper sticker on another cycling site the other day

*gasp* There are other cycling sites?

Yes, I ended up with cinelli campione del mundo bars. nice match to the stem methinks. i went narrower as well (42) as I usually ride a 44 but in keeping with the period I thought narrower bars would be a subtle nod.

I shall have to avert my eyes from my stem on the way home tonight, now I know it is screaming hipster fixie doosh to all and sundry! Although I live in Kent and we don’t really do hipster fixies down here, so I might get away with it.

Have you gone for those handlebars?

@Gianni
them are sexy mudguards.

I like the boys to play in the same neighborhood.

heehehee, you are wise. Stick with the same saddle, I’d vote black to keep it simple.

You never mentioned mud guards(FFS!) If you need ’em, these are wicked nice. Aluminum too.

http://www.hubjub.co.uk/nitto/npearlzm.htm

Apologise if not supposed to post links. Don’t know how to up load the pictures.

I’m all for white saddles on a race day rig, but seeing a dingy white saddle de-sheened and grit ground in from many miles of training isn’t so impressione.

And yes, the decals are coming off the rims

I may be harsh but I am oh so wise.

So far as worrying about another colour with white, I wouldn’t. White is a primary colour, and so long as tape and saddle match, it’ll work just perfectly. If anything, it’ll better show the blue and yellow of the frame. Yellow or blue tape with a semi matched saddle run the risk of making your bike look like an optical illusion. If colours worry you, start with removing the decals from those rims.

I’d use some King stainless cages, or Elite Ciussi stainless on that too.

and although I’m fairly confident in my taping skills, I could use more work.

I’ll have to scour the interwebs for said post.

Righteous, mate.

Whilst this can allow a fine show of your taping skills, it’s not really in keeping with a frame of such traditional beauty, which I feel would work best with simple white perforated tape (unbranded) such as that made by Deda and Silva. A white and black (or pictured white and blue antares) saddle would set this off, otherwise, I’d go all black.

Were an Easton made Dura Ace post of the period to find itself on the frame, it’d be a happy post indeed.

I do think the FDJ antares is the way to go. For the record though, it’s white and blue, not silver and blue. So now I’m introducing white into the palette.

@George
Damn, I fucked up? Thanks, man.

@all

So if I go with the blue/white antares and bar tape do I dare go with yellow KoolStop pads or is that going too far? Perhaps black pads are safe, afterall, this bike will be ridden after Labor Day.

@George

Destroyed a set of shimano pads in one particularly wet day.

There’s your mistake; you’re not supposed to use your brakes.

I agree with your sentiment, but sometimes that is clearly moronic. On this day, I passed someone who had been following your advice. He had crashed head first into a cliff on a descent and was lying face down in the stream of water running down the road with his feet twitching alarmingly. I honestly thought the guy was dying.
I make no apology.

@Cyclops
That saddle is fucking ASKING for some embroidery lovin’. Not to mention how good she’ll look with the bike. And let me remind you it’s quite silver. Brett.

Seems like a huge difference eh, but it’s really not. The headtube of the serotta is only 1/4 inch longer, the toptube is 3/4 inch longer, and the seat tube is only 1/2 inch longer.

I don’t understand any of what you’re saying. Nearest I can figure is your leg is shorter than your arm.

nteresting note about this bike is the seat and downtubes are tapered, surely to stiffen the BB. Serotta called it their concept tubing back in the day. Seems to me it would have been fairly radical back then but maybe someone could chime in. Luckily i had 34.9 clamp front derailleur hanging out in the shop.

Any clue what year that frame is? In 91 or so, maybe it was a bit before that, Columbus built a steel tubeset for Merckx called the Columbux Max which he used to build his MX Leader frameset. It had not only tapered tubesets, but was reversed both directions; flaring wide at the BB and then going tall and skinny at the HT to make it more awesome.

I know Columbus sold that tubeset elsewhere, and I’m not clear if that was because an agreement between Merckx and Columbus ran out or if it was always available, but I thought it was made for Merckx either way.

That was a big innovation at the time. A few years before my dad bought the MX Leader (pictures will come next time I’m home), he had bought a Somec with TSX tubing. We were riding alu ‘whales at the time which rode like a chimney on jackhammers. I remember I got on that Somec and my eyes opened. Writing this now, that might have been the moment I really, truly fell in love with bikes. The way that thing danced under me…it revolutionized what a bike could feel like.

The Somec was all round tubes, everwhere, but TSX is columbus’s stiffest tubeset. Brett tells me it’s for “fat guys”, but there’s no pleasing Brett, so don’t bother trying.

Then came the MX Leader, and much later I picked up the steel Bianchi TSX, which has round tubes most everywhere except at the BB. That’s a ’96 as far as I can figure, and by that time Cannondale had tapered the crap out of their tubes and had bikes you could actually ride without needing to replace your chamois creme with Preparation H.

I guess this is a long way of saying that if it’s 96+ you probably don’t have an innovation on your hands, but at least you have something that will ride well. Much earlier than that – bearing in mind it’s alu – and it’s a crapshoot.

“Svenjolly”? Is that a Swedish guru?

I’m a fan of fat welds too. My P.K. Ripper was welded like that and I thought it was so rad in 83 or whenever it was.

Serotta definitely have their following, Ben being the svenjolly of it all. As for fit, it’s interesting as well. my numero uno steed is a BMC which are known for their own unique fit. The BMC is a “57” and the Serotta is a “60”. Seems like a huge difference eh, but it’s really not. The headtube of the serotta is only 1/4 inch longer, the toptube is 3/4 inch longer, and the seat tube is only 1/2 inch longer. I can’t find specs on anything else for the Serotta, not even on their forum, as these Colorado AL’s aren’t that common. Again, it’s far from an Otrott but still a cool bike.

“I can’t afford it…”

Whatever, lawyer boy! If ever there’s a candidate for having a bling Italian Stallion between his legs, it’s you. Obviously no balls between there though…

That aluminum Serotta looks great. I’m a sucker for unfinished welds – looks “factory” – and I mean that in a ’70s motocross way, meaning “trick”. Oops, sorry – showing my age once again.

I’d build that up with mid-level stuff, like Ultegra – compact crank – nice wheels and the fattest tires that fit. Old Flite saddle for my old ass, and I’d be happy.

Damn cool bike. Keep the pictures coming.

Interesting note about this bike is the seat and downtubes are tapered, surely to stiffen the BB. Serotta called it their concept tubing back in the day. Seems to me it would have been fairly radical back then but maybe someone could chime in. Luckily i had 34.9 clamp front derailleur hanging out in the shop.

I just put a new SRAM chain on zeee Merlin and the power link no longer comes apart, grrrrrr. At least I couldn’t get it apart. Though I never owned one, I would suggest the connex stainless steel chain. This is a rain bike after all.

Headset…a silver Chris King would rule, their blue wouldn’t match. I’d stick with the Al fork for now, to keep it regulation. Lastly, cable housing, blue would look sweet, silver jagwires would work, Brett is a little hard-assed about all black, maybe he has been living in NZ for too long(obscure All Black Kiwi uniform reference).

@Cyclops
That is some funny shit.

I was a 40 year old with no car, living with me mum, and racing a BMX bike and still listening to Slayer so that demonstrates my maturity level.

So you now have a car? Don’t live with your mum? And don’t listen to Slayer?
I need an update on your lifestyle.

James has mentioned the mid 90’s and earlier cinelli quills typically have 26.4 clamps which limits us to cinelli bars. not a bad thing, just limiting these days.

i have found a ebayer with a shit ton of NOS 3ttt and cinelli stuff. and don’t tell Gianni, but they have rolls and rolls of Benotto bar tape in original packaging. Where to these people find this stuff?

@G’phant
Thanks, I figured what the hell. I’ve learned quite a bit from these peeps today and think I’ll end up with a cool bike.

Bars done. Cinelli Campione Del Mundo.

Now, saddle and bar tape.

@Steampunk Yes, I wondered about the LeakyGas effect. But that doesn’t explain the Trek thing. I rather suspect it’s more to do with simple economics.

BTW, Marko, nice post. Cool idea. Next time Brett suggests some modification to a steed of mine I may submit it to the wider group for discussion …

I was ready to jump on that 3T Motus quill stem for my rain bike, but there are some reports of it cracking easily. What do you think?

My rain bike is a LeMelvis and has a top tube that’s proportionally as long as Frank’s stem. I’m hunting for a shorter quill stem or short-reach handlebars.

In other news, earlier today the iPhone tried to autocorrect my search for “Vittoria” to “buttocks.” What?

@roadslave
As clever and elaborate as all this seems, it sounds as though it’s in violation of Rule 11.

We have a new concept in our house (built off back of Commonwealth Games) of earned rides… not ‘medals’, but ‘pedals’: Gold Pedals = 75km – 100km; Silver Pedal = 50m – 75km and a Bronze Pedal = <50km. Pedals earned for good parenting or housekeeping. I'm currently under negotiations for a 'Titanium Pedal' (100km – 150km) and a 'Weapons-grade plutonium pedal' (Free pass to go out and bury it on the bike for as long as I damn well can).

Oh boy. Now we will be confusing the hell out of everybody. It was bound to happen that a one-eller would join the group. Welcome.

Nice, on both counts.

I think I found my stem?

And GP4000s are a race tyre; one that is not “bombproof”, unless the bombs you refer to are thorns, then even those will cut the casing just by being in the vicinity of the tyre. They suck. Get UltraSports or DuraSkins in 25s if you go the Conti route, or Schwalbe Duranos if you really want bombproof.

Wheels: while I know you have them ‘lying around’, I’m with Cyclops on nixxing the Bontragers (not least because Lance sucks). A rain bike needs box section rims, 32h 3x. Shit, every bike needs that! (My retro fetish is getting well out of hand…)

Frank, your Bianchi makes me Hard As Steel, whereas your Cervelo makes me physically ill. You know what to do.

@frank
based on suggestions thus far I’m thinking anodized is most certainly out. Even the yellow Pantani ITM. Bringing out the “chrome” will pop.

@Ron
these are the pedals I’m using for this bike

shoes will be a retired pair (on a comeback tour, think Cipo not LA) of Frank’s DMT ultimax.

@Nate
That’s tits. Now I have at least two sweet tyre choices. I love that suggestion, those greenies are buttery.