David

10-4, thanks, I’ve been following. The cycling community indeed has cool cats that create web sites. Cheers

@chuckp

what exactly or who is PEZ ? Is it an individual ? that created the website ?

PEZ Cycling News is the creation of Richard Pestes, aka the PEZ.

what exactly or who is PEZ ? Is it an individual ? that created the website ?

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/tech-n-spec/sugoi-zap-shoe-covers-review-2016/#.Vpuc_jZki_U

@Oli

If I know Frank he’ll say that those shoe covers are way too baggy to be cred. Tighten up, yo.

They are actually stretched out to fit over my shoes. Sugoi specs a size medium for my shoe size (43) so that’s what I got. I think the smalls would be too small (or run the risk of ripping).

Typo. My shoe size is 42. And that actually puts me on the cusp between small and medium. So I guess a size small would be a “tight” fit and medium is a “loose” fit. Still, they have to be stretched to fit. But I get your point that they are on the “baggy” side. They were a Christmas present from a friend, so I can’t complain too much.

If I know Frank he’ll say that those shoe covers are way too baggy to be cred. Tighten up, yo.

They are actually stretched out to fit over my shoes. Sugoi specs a size medium for my shoe size (43) so that’s what I got. I think the smalls would be too small (or run the risk of ripping).

@Barracuda

Ah, okay…good point.

yeah a mate of mine does the baby powder trick. For the number of days where they’re actually all that useful over here in Adelaide, it’s more faff than I can be bothered with, not to mention the swamp foot effect that tends to develop anywhere above about 10 degrees through your sweat not going anywhere.

Can definitely understand why you’d want them in Melbourne though…

@Mikael Liddy

@RobSandy

@frank

@Craigyboywonder

Sounds like the company understands exactly how shit their product is.

Saw them with a decent review in Cycling Weekly, and for £15 I thought they were worth a go. They were so full of holes halfway my first and only ride with them they let the water in anyway. I must admit I was in some doubt about whether they’d work, and am not astonished to find that the answer is that they, in fact, don’t.

If they had lasted through that first ride, you likely would have cleaned them off on your return home, thereby removing the powdery residue that is key to keeping the latex from sticking to itself, and ensuring that if you tried to use them again it would take nearly 15 minutes to get half way near getting them on…or so I’ve heard.

I know Apple catches some (well deserved) shit for their inbuilt obsolescence within iProducts, but to design a product as single use & then sell it at that price takes a fair bit of gall.

Huh. That’s a bit strange.

I’ve got a full season of shit Melbourne winter out of mine.

A few points to consider.  Yes, they’re latex. Yes, they can tear if you walk through gravel with them, or step on a stair edge or other such things. They could be considered fragile but certainly not “not fit for purpose”.

I’ve said it many times on here; these are the only booties that I’ve ever used that actually keep my feet dry in anything from light rain to a full downpour. Full stop.

Also, yes. The talcum powder that is on the inside of the booties does wash away when they get wet and they stick together like mofo’s afterwards.  Simple solution: Buy talcum powder and apply to dry latex before you put them on again.

But whatevs. don’t let your bad experiences keep you from having dry feet. Or something…

@Oli

Self deprecating humour? Whilst I’m no expert on emoji usage (or at least wouldn’t admit as much here), I believe the hear/see/speak no evil monkeys are generally used when one is a little ashamed of what’s going on…

Yep, be G, with a whole barrel of monkeys linking arms

Self deprecating humour? Whilst I’m no expert on emoji usage (or at least wouldn’t admit as much here), I believe the hear/see/speak no evil monkeys are generally used when one is a little ashamed of what’s going on…

Why would Thomas mock himself like that? And shoe sponsors come and go.

@chuckp

@chuckp

@frank

@Chipomarc

Its G himself, obvs.

Actually, it’s not … according to G himself.  G claims it’s Froomie.

My bad. I mis-read a Tweet.

I’d say it’s clearly not G-man. Why would he take the piss out of himself? As we know, GT is usually pretty damn Rules compliant. GT also has a bit more meat on the  pins.

It’s definitely not Froomie, as he prefers a Sidi shoe & there are nowhere near enough logos or differing closure options on those white ladies to fit that description. My guess would be a pair of Fiziks, which G has been known to wear…

@chuckp

@frank

@Chipomarc

Its G himself, obvs.

Actually, it’s not … according to G himself.  G claims it’s Froomie.

My bad. I mis-read a Tweet.

I’d say it’s clearly not G-man. Why would he take the piss out of himself? As we know, GT is usually pretty damn Rules compliant. GT also has a bit more meat on the  pins.

@frank

@Chipomarc

Its G himself, obvs.

Actually, it’s not … according to G himself.  G claims it’s Froomie.

My bad. I mis-read a Tweet.

@Chipomarc

Its G himself, obvs.

Actually, it’s not … according to G himself.  G claims it’s Froomie.

Its G himself, obvs.

@RobSandy

@frank

@Craigyboywonder

Sounds like the company understands exactly how shit their product is.

Saw them with a decent review in Cycling Weekly, and for £15 I thought they were worth a go. They were so full of holes halfway my first and only ride with them they let the water in anyway. I must admit I was in some doubt about whether they’d work, and am not astonished to find that the answer is that they, in fact, don’t.

If they had lasted through that first ride, you likely would have cleaned them off on your return home, thereby removing the powdery residue that is key to keeping the latex from sticking to itself, and ensuring that if you tried to use them again it would take nearly 15 minutes to get half way near getting them on…or so I’ve heard.

I know Apple catches some (well deserved) shit for their inbuilt obsolescence within iProducts, but to design a product as single use & then sell it at that price takes a fair bit of gall.

The postscript to my Velotoze story is that I wrote an email to the shop stating my concern that the product was full of holes after one ride…so they are sending me another pair free of charge!

Now I shall have 2 pairs of the fuckers. I’ll save one for TTing.

@pistard

@Chipomarc

Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

You are not piling on, you make an excellent point.

‘Piling on’ would be addressing the reference to ‘Donald Trump and me.’

The legs on the cyclist mounting her bike in the lead photo of the “Study in Casually Deliberate: Starting” are none too shabby either……

@Chipomarc

Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

Sorry, what is this post about? I got distracted.

I miss watching Vicky tear it up on the track, she was outstanding.

But should have walked away with 3 golds at her last Olympics instead of 1…

@Chipomarc

Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

You are not piling on, you make an excellent point.

‘Piling on’ would be addressing the reference to ‘Donald Trump and me.’

@Chipomarc

Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

Agree with you on that, but sadly the professional model world is more on the anorexic look.

Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/watch-rider-celebrates-going-past-a-speed-camera-and-falls-off-202899

@Chipomark >>> …she hasn’t spoiled her legs by riding a bike too much. <<< Huh ?

@girl >>> …surely cycling shaped legs would be appreciated. <<< For sure !

Yea, I guess I came off a bit like an asshole with that post.

Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

I’ll keep my future posts away from that kind of thing.

@girl >>> …surely cycling shaped legs would be appreciated. <<< For sure !

@tessar

@frank

If the story of Goldilocks was based on you, it’d be all wrong. ‘Just Right’ in sock-length means it near-touches the calf muscle.

Oh for fucks sake, what are you on about?

Who are you, Brad Wiggins? Goldilocks means it comes just over the narrowest part of the ankle.

Is this a 3 inch or 5 inch cuff? I can never tell…

‘Legs spoiled by cycling’- that’s the comment you make to a cycling community? Not only sexist but lacking all logic, for surely cycling shaped legs would be appreciated.

Hopefully you have good form on a bike sir, as you are lacking form in other areas.

chuckp – Allow me to clarify. I’m thrilled to see all types of folks out on bikes. I choose to not drive, so I ride a bike everywhere. I ride to work sometimes in a t-shirt and shorts with sneakers. Today I rode in full kit. I also am involved in a local cycling advocacy group. I live in one of the fastest growing areas in the U.S., so bike infrastructure is at the point where we better get it in place now, or it’s never.

I don’t look down on anyone on a bike, though I do find it hard to not pass judgment on those who have a nice bike and let it get dirty and squeaky. But, that’s just because I grew up with an engineer/handy-man of all sorts father who taught me to properly care for your tools.

My main point was that I personally care how I look and feel when on/off the bike. I take pride in that. And it would be nice if more people took pride in themselves. I really can’t believe how many people I see going around town in pajamas or sweat pants and then the folks in slippers! It’s pathetic.

I spend a considerable amount of time trying to get new folks out cycling, as an alternative to using cars. I’m thrilled to see more and more cyclists. But, I won’t hear it that I shouldn’t care how I look. Looking good and feeling good are both things I like to do!

I’m with you about wanting to look good on the bike. Ditto about bicycle care/maintenance. And like you, I marvel at people who don’t seem to care (or know) about either. But I try not to pass judgment on folks and try not to be all high and mighty/superior if they don’t ride/dress as I do. That was mostly my point. Not saying that you should not want to look good. You should! And looking good is in the eye of the beholder. I have a soft spot for what many of my Velominati brethren would consider ugly, e.g., I love the 90s Mapei kit and the Carrera faux denim cycling shorts. But I also love the classic stuff that we all revere. The riders I will pass judgment on, however, are the poseurs, i.e., those who spend a ton of $$$ on their bikes and kit but who just putz around (same true when I used to ride sportbikes) or just ride to the coffee shop. Not that they have to be racers or the fastest in the bunch, but they can’t be total wannabees or quitters.

I don’t look down on anyone on a bike, though I do find it hard to not pass judgment on those who have a nice bike and let it get dirty and squeaky. But, that’s just because I grew up with an engineer/handy-man of all sorts father who taught me to properly care for your tools.

My main point was that I personally care how I look and feel when on/off the bike. I take pride in that. And it would be nice if more people took pride in themselves. I really can’t believe how many people I see going around town in pajamas or sweat pants and then the folks in slippers! It’s pathetic.

I spend a considerable amount of time trying to get new folks out cycling, as an alternative to using cars. I’m thrilled to see more and more cyclists. But, I won’t hear it that I shouldn’t care how I look. Looking good and feeling good are both things I like to do!

@Teocalli

@chuckp

Well I was not in a YJA but as one of my (non cycling) colleagues said after the incident (and after I had recovered) – holy f*&^ how could he not have seen you, you look like Joseph in the multi colour dream coat.  It was quite few years ago now.

I tend to eschew fluro but do try to avoid black – though my best rain jacket is black but only because I was given it as part of a corporate package from an event last year.

How’s this for flouro?

Well done indeed, and nice to see that she hasn’t spoiled her legs by riding a bike too much.

@Teocalli

@chuckp

Sorry can’t see any floor there……..

Damn auto correct – “Can’t see any fluro there” obviously…….

Blinded by the light, eh?

@chuckp

Sorry can’t see any floor there……..

Damn auto correct – “Can’t see any fluro there” obviously…….

Sorry can’t see any floor there……..

@chuckp

Well I was not in a YJA but as one of my (non cycling) colleagues said after the incident (and after I had recovered) – holy f*&^ how could he not have seen you, you look like Joseph in the multi colour dream coat.  It was quite few years ago now.

I tend to eschew fluro but do try to avoid black – though my best rain jacket is black but only because I was given it as part of a corporate package from an event last year.

How’s this for flouro?

Well I was not in a YJA but as one of my (non cycling) colleagues said after the incident (and after I had recovered) – holy f*&^ how could he not have seen you, you look like Joseph in the multi colour dream coat.  It was quite few years ago now.

I tend to eschew fluro but do try to avoid black – though my best rain jacket is black but only because I was given it as part of a corporate package from an event last year.

Quite.  In response to the “who cares” the answer is “we care”.  I could not care less about the opinion of the passing driver as long as a) he sees me and b) he misses me.  Mainly coz once one did neither………….

Sometimes for (a) to happen, you have to make a choice between “aesthetically pleasing” and “being seen.” Hence, neon yellow is often part of my cycling attire if I know I’m going to out in conditions that lend themselves to being less seen than otherwise, e.g., this time of year for those of us in the northern hemisphere. And why even in daylight I turn on my really annoyingly bright Bontrager Flare R blinky light that can be seen from forever away. It’s actually so bright during the day that I had to turn it down to the night setting on one ride because my wife couldn’t stand it riding behind me.

As a wise Dean once said, “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

But it’s a hell of a way to go through college!

@frank  @Matt, et al….. Really, who cares what a cyclist wears as long as he/s is out there.  The mindless obsession with cycling “fashion” is superfluous and irrelevant – just more marketing for runway wannabes.  Passing motorists could care less; fellow cyclists could care less.  If you crave attention, ride faster.

I can tell that you are one of those ‘types’ that ride around wearing a orange safety vest and have a mirror stuck to your eyeglasses.

@frank  @Matt, et al….. Really, who cares what a cyclist wears as long as he/s is out there.  The mindless obsession with cycling “fashion” is superfluous and irrelevant – just more marketing for runway wannabes.  Passing motorists could care less; fellow cyclists could care less.  If you crave attention, ride faster.

I don’t care what other cyclists wear. I think it’s great any time someone gets on a bike; they can wear a pillowcase with holes cut in it for all I care. But I certainly enjoy kitting up, just for my own satisfaction. I feel good when my Mapei cap matches my jersey. It makes me happy. I didn’t buy that kit because it was marketed to me as making me a faster rider. I just like the old Mapei team and its kit design.

Most of the discussion of “fashion” around here is taking the piss anyway.

Oooofff. Terry, you are in the wrong place if you want to carry on about how aesthetic choices don’t matter.

Fair enough, but I think Terry has a point. At one level, we shouldn’t really care about what kind of bike people ride and what they wear while riding … if we believe that more bikes and people riding bikes are “better” than less. At the same time, those of us who take our riding more “seriously” are going to have a different attitude and approach. But I’d be careful about having our noses too far up in the air and looking down at anyone who doesn’t look like us. One of the reasons I quit racing and riding a bike for ~15 years was because of elitism and snobbery … by a whole lot of racers/riders/wannabees who weren’t elite or anywhere close to being such. Yeah, I like looking “the part” when I’m out on a bike. Even then, I’m more than happy to stray from the Rules if it suits my fancy (see my response to @Frank‘s lament about Etixx-Quickstep having blue shorts in 2016). But I’m more than happy to ride with anyone who wants to ride and who wants to learn how to ride well (even if that isn’t fast). If they make “right” aesthetic choices, that’s a bonus but not an absolute requirement.

Oooofff. Terry, you are in the wrong place if you want to carry on about how aesthetic choices don’t matter.

It’s quite simple, really. A lot of us have class, passion, and honor. That dictates how we carry ourselves on and off the bicycle. Additionally, for many of us cycling is a crucial part of our daily lives, something we happily partake in and which is never far from our minds. As a result, we take it seriously and to do that means we care. We care that our RD is correctly adjusted, we care that our bibs aren’t covered with dog hair, and we care that we’re always in good enough form to head out for a long day in the saddle whenever a mate comes knocking.

Your belief that I’m going about any of this mindlessly is definitively incorrect.

As for attention. Not even close. It’s about self-respect and decency. Many of us have high standards and take what we choose to spend our time on seriously. Don’t think you’ll find many half-steppers in the Followers pack. For me, there is no point in getting out of bed in the morning if I’m going to half-heart my way around.

As a wise Dean once said, “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

Quite.  In response to the “who cares” the answer is “we care”.  I could not care less about the opinion of the passing driver as long as a) he sees me and b) he misses me.  Mainly coz once one did neither………….

The mindless obsession with cycling “fashion” is superfluous and irrelevant – just more marketing for runway wannabes.  

I resemble that statement!

@frank  @Matt, et al….. Really, who cares what a cyclist wears as long as he/s is out there.  The mindless obsession with cycling “fashion” is superfluous and irrelevant – just more marketing for runway wannabes.  Passing motorists could care less; fellow cyclists could care less.  If you crave attention, ride faster.

I sense a disturbance in the Force.

It’s quite simple, really. A lot of us have class, passion, and honor. That dictates how we carry ourselves on and off the bicycle. Additionally, for many of us cycling is a crucial part of our daily lives, something we happily partake in and which is never far from our minds. As a result, we take it seriously and to do that means we care. We care that our RD is correctly adjusted, we care that our bibs aren’t covered with dog hair, and we care that we’re always in good enough form to head out for a long day in the saddle whenever a mate comes knocking.

Your belief that I’m going about any of this mindlessly is definitively incorrect.

As for attention. Not even close. It’s about self-respect and decency. Many of us have high standards and take what we choose to spend our time on seriously. Don’t think you’ll find many half-steppers in the Followers pack. For me, there is no point in getting out of bed in the morning if I’m going to half-heart my way around.

As a wise Dean once said, “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

http://road.cc/content/review/109993-sugoi-zap-shoe-covers

They are some prototypes and then every time we do a run I always order some stuff just to make sure everything is still as I expect it to be. It adds up, apparently.

@bea

Basically, tendons don’t get blood flow so have no good way to keep themselves warm. Since the tendons in the knees are carrying most of the power, the risk increases for tendon injuries.

Possibly reliable source I just googled:

http://www.wholeathlete.com/assets/documents/winter_knees_01-09.pdf

Thanks! I’m going to get knee warmers…

The article sounds reasonable, with only one remark, tendons are very hard and stiff, they are not elastic.

@frank

@Craigyboywonder

Sounds like the company understands exactly how shit their product is.

Saw them with a decent review in Cycling Weekly, and for £15 I thought they were worth a go. They were so full of holes halfway my first and only ride with them they let the water in anyway. I must admit I was in some doubt about whether they’d work, and am not astonished to find that the answer is that they, in fact, don’t.

If they had lasted through that first ride, you likely would have cleaned them off on your return home, thereby removing the powdery residue that is key to keeping the latex from sticking to itself, and ensuring that if you tried to use them again it would take nearly 15 minutes to get half way near getting them on…or so I’ve heard.

I know Apple catches some (well deserved) shit for their inbuilt obsolescence within iProducts, but to design a product as single use & then sell it at that price takes a fair bit of gall.

Sock length. Far before it was stylish, I wore mid-calfs for sports and in the summers. My legs from ankle to calf are chickenesque and I prefer to spare the world from seeing them.

Kelly looks far from Kingly there. We all have bad days.

@wiscot

@osbk67

Here was I thinking Kelly started early in wool and never wavered…

Photo by E A W Koestal from “Kelly” by David Walsh.

And you didn’t want to get wet wearing that shit. Wait, they’re in Ireland. Rains all the time. What Kelly is wearing on his lower half, I have no idea. Single chainring up front and full mudguards says “winter ride.”

Not to mention that toque!

And the both have frame-fit pumps too! However, neither have a bottle – must have only been doing 6-7 hours. Kelly’s bars are pretty rad shallow drop for back in the day.

@Craigyboywonder

Sounds like the company understands exactly how shit their product is.

Saw them with a decent review in Cycling Weekly, and for £15 I thought they were worth a go. They were so full of holes halfway my first and only ride with them they let the water in anyway. I must admit I was in some doubt about whether they’d work, and am not astonished to find that the answer is that they, in fact, don’t.

@osbk67

Here was I thinking Kelly started early in wool and never wavered…

Photo by E A W Koestal from “Kelly” by David Walsh.

And you didn’t want to get wet wearing that shit. Wait, they’re in Ireland. Rains all the time. What Kelly is wearing on his lower half, I have no idea. Single chainring up front and full mudguards says “winter ride.”

Not to mention that toque!

Velotoze are an absolute abomination and one should choose to have their toes frozen and amputated before succumbing to wearing those atrocities.

@RobSandy

@Craigyboywonder

@RobSandy

take the insoles out and tape the holes underneath, most shoes seem to be made for Italian summers!

Velotoze are great, but meant only for racing, says on the packaging don’t expect them to last. you also have to put them on before you put your shoes on, still don’t last that long though.

Yep, done that, water gets around the tape. I wonder if another coat of tape is in order.

Also, I was expecting Velotoze to be slightly fragile, but I’d also expected them to last more than one ride.

That goes in the category of ‘not fit for purpose’ to me.

Sounds like the company understands exactly how shit their product is.

@frank

If the story of Goldilocks was based on you, it’d be all wrong. ‘Just Right’ in sock-length means it near-touches the calf muscle.

Oh for fucks sake, what are you on about?

Who are you, Brad Wiggins? Goldilocks means it comes just over the narrowest part of the ankle.

Here was I thinking Kelly started early in wool and never wavered…

Photo by E A W Koestal from “Kelly” by David Walsh.

And you didn’t want to get wet wearing that shit. Wait, they’re in Ireland. Rains all the time. What Kelly is wearing on his lower half, I have no idea. Single chainring up front and full mudguards says “winter ride.”

@wiscot

A quick Google image search found that shot straight away, and I have several other pics of him in various magazines/posters wearing proper booties to hand. It seems to me as if he wore Belgian overshoes in essentially dry races and proper booties when it was proper raining, although I’ve got a shot of him here in KAS kit with booties and it looks like the middle of summer! He is wearing armwarmers that look like socks though, so perhaps it’s colder than it looks – the Vuelta in April could be ugly.

I think in those days we all just subscribed to the point of view that cold feet were a very bad thing, but wintergreen and baby oil could take care of the legs. Also, the only knee warmers that were available were surgical bandages, separate leg warmers were non-existent, and full tights were too tricky to deal with in a race…

Agreed on the wintergreen. My pal John’s Mum worked in a chemists. She made up her own recipe embrocation for us – baby oil, wintergreen and Merckx knows what else. Worked a treat but rather strong smelling to say the least! Knee warmers were unknown to us but leg warmers were – a common style were basically stretchy, ribbed acrylic jobbies with no grippers. Did the job but looked helloish when used with lycra shorts. I don’t think I ever raced in full tights. Overshoes sucked – thin vinyl. Ripped easily and had very little insulation.

@Ron

I was wondering why my one of my bigger cycling drawers wasn’t didn’t have room for my long sleeve jerseys anymore.

Apparently this is why.

That’s amazing. I have 3 pairs of bibs, total, and 1 pair of bib tights.

@RobSandy

take the insoles out and tape the holes underneath, most shoes seem to be made for Italian summers!

Velotoze are great, but meant only for racing, says on the packaging don’t expect them to last. you also have to put them on before you put your shoes on, still don’t last that long though.

Yep, done that, water gets around the tape. I wonder if another coat of tape is in order.

Also, I was expecting Velotoze to be slightly fragile, but I’d also expected them to last more than one ride.

That goes in the category of ‘not fit for purpose’ to me.

I had a couple of Tamahine jerseys and a pair of their tights, but I seriously don’t recall any leg warmers. I dropped entirely away from cycling between late ’86 and early ’92 – by the time I realised I was mad and regained my cycling life leg and knee warmers were everywhere…

take the insoles out and tape the holes underneath, most shoes seem to be made for Italian summers!

Velotoze are great, but meant only for racing, says on the packaging don’t expect them to last. you also have to put them on before you put your shoes on, still don’t last that long though.

Great point, well put. Capri pants are for soccer mums, not cycling hard nuts.

If the story of Goldilocks was based on you, it’d be all wrong. ‘Just Right’ in sock-length means it near-touches the calf muscle.

@wiscot

A quick Google image search found that shot straight away, and I have several other pics of him in various magazines/posters wearing proper booties to hand. It seems to me as if he wore Belgian overshoes in essentially dry races and proper booties when it was proper raining, although I’ve got a shot of him here in KAS kit with booties and it looks like the middle of summer! He is wearing armwarmers that look like socks though, so perhaps it’s colder than it looks – the Vuelta in April could be ugly.

I think in those days we all just subscribed to the point of view that cold feet were a very bad thing, but wintergreen and baby oil could take care of the legs. Also, the only knee warmers that were available were surgical bandages, separate leg warmers were non-existent, and full tights were too tricky to deal with in a race…

Surely you had a thick black pair of woollen “Tamahine”? brand made in NZ leg warmers in 1985?

Here was I thinking Kelly started early in wool and never wavered…

Photo by E A W Koestal from “Kelly” by David Walsh.

@osbk67

Erm.

Well played Oli! It just proves the unthinkable is possible, although I’m not sure that makes it right… If I’ve ever seen that photo before I’ve long since blocked it out…

Nice recovery.

@Chipomarc

@sthilzy

@Chipomarc

Katusha got Chicked by a mostly warmless wearing bunch

Katusha guys must have started out on the ride much earlier than the women when it was cold, going to a much higher elevation, et cetera.

What makes you think that’s what happened? There are a trillion reasons why they might have been chicked and are dressed differently, and most of them are not chauvinistic.

Chipomarc has more personnel issues than just his choice of shit beer to drink.

@Mike C

Shorts should be shorts, pants should be full length and worn around the waist. Anything in between seems, well, indecisive…

Pants should be worn inside your trousers (or shorts) unless you are Superman.

Tomatoes, tomatoes. Sounds pretty British to my ears.  Or we could get into the ridiculous discussion of why so many products get nicknames that end with this type of sound. The telly, my wellies, sunnies. I could go on about other crazy stuff also but I’m very busy at the moment sitting on my lazy ass, thank you very much.    I know, I know, it’s ARSE!!

@gilly

@Mike C

Could not agree less with this. Knee warmers are my go to through Autumn and Winter. I can’t abide tights, love the look of the EVH’s and it keeps me shaving the guns all year round.

It’s December 2nd as I respond to your post good sir. The outside temperature at 8:35 pm is around 72* f. My days off riding in cold weather don’t normally start until January. Even then it doesn’t get too darn cold for long. As for keeping the guns shaven all winter, well, that would be mandatory here.

• You see, right at moment I’m wearing shorts. Short pants. Short trousers, if those exist, though I’ve never heard the term.

Do they exist? If not then I guess I’m wearing some form of undergarment. See, we’re back to the start of this silly thing about the difference between trousers and pants. I need a recovery ale or three to clear the clutter in my mind

@sthilzy

@Chipomarc

Katusha got Chicked by a mostly warmless wearing bunch

Katusha guys must have started out on the ride much earlier than the women when it was cold, going to a much higher elevation, et cetera.

What makes you think that’s what happened? There are a trillion reasons why they might have been chicked and are dressed differently, and most of them are not chauvinistic.

A quick Google image search found that shot straight away, and I have several other pics of him in various magazines/posters wearing proper booties to hand. It seems to me as if he wore Belgian overshoes in essentially dry races and proper booties when it was proper raining, although I’ve got a shot of him here in KAS kit with booties and it looks like the middle of summer! He is wearing armwarmers that look like socks though, so perhaps it’s colder than it looks – the Vuelta in April could be ugly.

I think in those days we all just subscribed to the point of view that cold feet were a very bad thing, but wintergreen and baby oil could take care of the legs. Also, the only knee warmers that were available were surgical bandages, separate leg warmers were non-existent, and full tights were too tricky to deal with in a race…

@Chipomarc

Katusha got Chicked by a mostly warmless wearing bunch

Katusha guys must have started out on the ride much earlier than the women when it was cold, going to a much higher elevation, et cetera.

Katusha got Chicked by a mostly warmless wearing bunch

Basically, tendons don’t get blood flow so have no good way to keep themselves warm. Since the tendons in the knees are carrying most of the power, the risk increases for tendon injuries.

Possibly reliable source I just googled:

http://www.wholeathlete.com/assets/documents/winter_knees_01-09.pdf

Having spent many years racing cross country skis in Minnesota, I am basically immune to cold feet.

One important note: riding with bare knees is actually quite dangerous, so I highly recommend covering them below 6 or 7 degrees. This is where knee warmers really come in handy as full leggings will likely be too warm.

Since I cycle in those temperatures with bare knees quite often, you got me interested. Why is it dangerous?

Very cool!

They are; they are part of the VMR (Velominati Racing Team) kit but as soon as I get around to setting up the product page I’ll chuck them up on the site. Having some prototype knee warmers made right now as well. V from head to toe baby!

Some shitty photos the bottom one you can spy them at the bottom of the shot.

Could not agree less with this. Knee warmers are my go to through Autumn and Winter. I can’t abide tights, love the look of the EVH’s and it keeps me shaving the guns all year round.

@Steampunk

Also on Dutchie rightitude: tulip-based economy and building a fucking country below sea-level.

You’ve got to be pretty fucking right to pull that shit off, son.

@Steampunk

And orange: what the holy fuck??

are those V leg warmers? or did you get some XXXL arm warmers on your legs?

@Ron

I was wondering why my one of my bigger cycling drawers wasn’t didn’t have room for my long sleeve jerseys anymore.

Apparently this is why.

Ah, a bib bezoar, those have been known to clog my dresser too from time to time

Well, that makes me feel less bad about my stockpiling. Thanks, Frank!

I was just gifted a new drawer by the VMH. Hot damn, more space! And hopefully I’m not the only one…but I have trouble tossing kit, even when it is definitely shot. When the hell am I going to go for the threadbare bibs that the VMH told me I can absolutely not wear? Since I don’t ride rollers anymore, the answer is never. But I’ll be damned if I’m tossing ’em.

Congrats! A whole drawer more? How many does that give you? I’ve a five drawer chest that holds, in descending order: shorts and socks, short sleeved jerseys, long sleeved jerseys, under shirts and finally, miscellaneous tights, knicks, shorts. The back of the door to the room has multiple jackets, gilets etc. The bikes and shoes, tools and other ephemera are downstairs in the garage.

As for shedding old gear, I’ve gotten as far as putting them in the goodwill pile. After 10 years, lycra and elastic tends to get . . . nasty. Mind you, I still hold onto a 25 year old skinsuit. Too many memories there!

@Ron

I was wondering why my one of my bigger cycling drawers wasn’t didn’t have room for my long sleeve jerseys anymore.

Apparently this is why.

If some of those are new, I’ll take them off your hands to make room for the jerseys. On the other hand, I doubt my fat ass could fit into them. Your definition of “fat” and mine are undoubtedly incompatible.

I was just gifted a new drawer by the VMH. Hot damn, more space! And hopefully I’m not the only one…but I have trouble tossing kit, even when it is definitely shot. When the hell am I going to go for the threadbare bibs that the VMH told me I can absolutely not wear? Since I don’t ride rollers anymore, the answer is never. But I’ll be damned if I’m tossing ’em.

Shorts should be shorts, pants should be full length and worn around the waist. Anything in between seems, well, indecisive…

Pants should be worn inside your trousers (or shorts) unless you are Superman.

@frank

One important note: riding with bare knees is actually quite dangerous, so I highly recommend covering them below 6 or 7 degrees

Dangerous, physiologically? I’ve never considered that but I will now. Fortunately I do not have to cope with temperatures below about 7*, and even then it’s only for the first hour of a ride.

It also depends on the humidity – here in Seattle the lower limit is closer to 10C.

One important note: riding with bare knees is actually quite dangerous, so I highly recommend covering them below 6 or 7 degrees

Dangerous, physiologically? I’ve never considered that but I will now. Fortunately I do not have to cope with temperatures below about 7*, and even then it’s only for the first hour of a ride.

I was wondering why my one of my bigger cycling drawers wasn’t didn’t have room for my long sleeve jerseys anymore.

Apparently this is why.

@Matt

It sounds like I’m in the minority here, but having my feet covered keeps me far warmer than having my legs covered. Arm warmers, a gilet, and booties have been sufficient in my experience. My knees and shins are probably the last thing to get cold.

I was originally unsure, but I think booties look fine sans knee warmers. Never without arm warmers though.

I’m actually with you on this one Matt. My legs are the last thing to get cold. I’m a real pussy when it comes to cold toes though.

Having spent many years racing cross country skis in Minnesota, I am basically immune to cold feet.

One important note: riding with bare knees is actually quite dangerous, so I highly recommend covering them below 6 or 7 degrees. This is where knee warmers really come in handy as full leggings will likely be too warm.

I have taken to riding in full leggings lately on easy rides even when the weather does not call for it, because I’m trying to get back to some amount of form and am doing low intensity work at the moment. I find it virtually impossible to ride hard with my legs covered.

Belgian booties can be worn any time, but it is best if at least arm warmers are also deployed. Neoprene demands more intense cold and long sleeve jerseys and at least knee warmers.

Oversocks are great. I have a bunch of shoe covers of every kind from lycra to fleece-lined neoprene. However, if sleeves are short = no oversocks. If shorts are worn = no oversocks. With knee warmers? Yes. With leg warmers? Yes. Kelly rarely wore overshoes. Most of the time it was just another pair of socks pulled over the shoes. That pic of him with the blue overshoes is just . . . weird. Maybe another Brancale helmet-type deal.

Pretty sure it’s Van Der Velde in the B&W pic. He finished 19th. It’s not Vanderaerden (10th). It’s not Lubberding (28th) or Lammertink or Plankaert (35th and 36th).

I just ordered another pair of overshoes specifically for commuting in regular shoes/sneakers. That’ll be four. It’s becoming a fucking joke how many multiples of ALL cycling things I have. Helmets, bikes, shades, shoes, on and on. I keep telling the VMH, “Okay, I need ______ and then I won’t need any more cycling stuff. Period.” I truly believe it when I say it. But, the fact is that since I ride 7 days a week, in one form or another, I’m always encountering some situation that could use the more perfecter bit of kit.

Yes, I’m going insane. Now I just need to save up to build a proper bike house in our backyard. We have the space, just have some other house works needs taking precedence. 2016 will be the year I get it though, one way or another. I can dream…