• Holy fuckballs. I’ve never been this late ever on a VSP. I mean, I’ve missed them entirely – which is another kind of incompetence entirely – but I’m shocked at how quickly this week blew by me. I think I have […]




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      • Here we go again- Contador let me down in the tour so no go this time

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Zakarin
      4. Chaves
      5. Kruijswik



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    • lemme try again:

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chaves
      3. Aru
      4. Nibali
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Contador
      3. Adam Yates
      4. Aru
      5. S Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Bardet
      3. Contador
      4. Froome
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Chaves



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. C Froome
      2. V Nibali
      3. F Aru
      4. I Zakarin
      5. A Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Zakarin



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Esteban Chavez
      4. Ilnur Zakarin
      5. Alberto Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Zakarin
      3. Aru
      4. Nibali
      5. A Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Vincenzo Nibali
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Ilnur Zakarin
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Fabio Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Ilur Zakarin
      4. Rafał Majka
      5. Steven Kruijswijk



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    • close to having Delgado-ed …

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froomey
      2. Kruiswijk
      3. Nibbles
      4. Poels
      5. Kelderman



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    • Wow, that was nearly a Delgado

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Aru
      4. Yates
      5. Zakarin



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    • .

      VSP PICKS:

      1. froome
      2. nibali
      3. aru
      4. adam yates
      5. zakarin



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    • We will see. My preparation went well but you never know how will go. Especially with so many days on the mountains. I will take it day by day. I have the full support of my team. They do an amazing job. My head is in the right place but we will see about the legs.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Barguil
      4. Majka
      5. Kruijswijk



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    • taon24 replied 5 days ago

      VSP PICKS:

      1. froome
      2. nibali
      3. aru
      4. kruijswijk
      5. Yates a



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    • LeoTea replied 5 days ago

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibbles
      3. Zakarin
      4. Kruijswijk
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chavez
      3. Aru
      4. A Yates
      5. Krashwick



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chavez
      3. Aru
      4. A Yates
      5. Bardet



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    • Thanks for setting this up @frank! Any chance you could calculate the results for the Tour and San Sebastian when you get a moment? I think I did quite well in them and I want me some prizes*!

      *Sod’s Law dictates that now I’ve said that, I will have done badly and I will look like a tool.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Aru
      3. Zakarin
      4. A Yates
      5. Nibali



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    • Who knows really!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Chaves
      2. Bardet
      3. Froomacil
      4. Simon Yates
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Kruijswijk
      4. Chaves
      5. Nibali



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Chaves



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    • weirdly, i’m actually rooting for Froome to win it.




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    • My attempt to pick who would crash out at the Tour went badly wrong (not just for me), so I give up, and just the usual dice roll. No crashes please.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chaves
      3. Nibali
      4. Bardet
      5. A Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froom
      2. Barguil
      3. Bardet
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Alaphillipe



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome, Dog
      2. Nibali, Shark
      3. Chaves
      4. Kruijswicjk
      5. Majka



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Kruijswijk
      3. Chaves
      4. Poels VV
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Zakarin
      3. A Yates
      4. Kruijswijk
      5. Nibali



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    • Contador to have a bad crash on the first few days and then hunt for stage wins from then on.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibbles
      3. Poels
      4. A. Yates
      5. Zakarin



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Aru
      4. Contador
      5. Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Ilnur Zakarin
      4. Esteban Chaves
      5. Carlos Betancur



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Aru
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Alberto Contador
      4. Ilnur Zakarin
      5. Wout Poels



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. NIBALI, Vincenzo
      2. FROOME, Chris
      3. CHAVES, Esteban
      4. DENNIS, Rohan
      5. YATES, Adam



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    • Any chance we can close out San Sebastian and the TDF?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Contador
      4. Zakarin
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Chaves
      4. Zakarin
      5. Are



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    • This time for real

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome Dog
      2. Nibbles
      3. Zakarin
      4. Clenbutador
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Chaves
      4. Zakarin
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Aru
      3. Froome
      4. Contador
      5. Bardet



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    • Had a reshuffle. Not many people are tipping Bardet to do well. Not sure why.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Bardet
      4. Yates
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Ilnur Zakarin
      3. Froome
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. NIBALI Vincenzo
      3. CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
      4. CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
      5. ARU Fabio



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    • @RobSandy

      maybe because of the TT…




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    • @RobSandy

      i didn’t list Bardet based on how destroyed he looked in the last Tour TT. i think he’s toast.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Zakarin
      3. Chaves
      4. Nibali
      5. Adam Yates



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    • Lucky dip really, but I’m guessing

      Froomacil will probably be near the pointy end.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Zakarin
      4. Chaves
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. chavez
      2. froome
      3. nibali
      4. Yates A
      5. Zakarin



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    • Also forgot to say w

      hich Yates!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Zakarin
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Aru



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    • Slight rearrange

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Kruijswijk
      3. Nibbles
      4. Zakarin
      5. Poels VV



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Kruijswijk
      4. Contador
      5. Majka



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    • Interesting. I’ve never seen a VSP where entries could be posted after the race starts. If this keeps up I’ll be re-submitting in a couple of weeks!




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    • @wiscot

      Fortunately it has now closed otherwise there would be a few folk quickly ditching Contador!




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    • Two exciting finishes so far. Can’t believe Yves managed to hold them off. Nice ride!

      Oh, and the dirtbags going wide to move up at the train crossing – I’d have given those lads a frame pump in the wheels.




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    • @Teocalli

      I think the Contador scenario now playing out emphasizes the wisdom of Hinault when he retired. Hinault, being one of the great GT riders of all time, did not want to suffer the indignity and humiliation currently being experienced by Contador. Hinualt was not happy unless he was a contender. Alas, Bertie may not make top 10 if today is an indication.




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    • @wiscot

      …….or a lack of Steak……




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    • @Teocalli

      You know, I’ve always thought Bertie got a bit of a bum deal on the clenbuterol test. There’s no threshold amount for a positive test and the amount that showed was incredibly small. Other riders I’m sure have tested positive for far more effective drugs which were below the positive threshold.

      I’m hoping he goes out in style, but it seems like that might not be the case. Here’s to hoping he gets at least a stage win in grand style. I think he deserves that.

      Looks like all the other main contenders have come ready to play. That was some fine racing today.




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    • @wiscot

      a) i excluded Bardet from my list based on his final TdF TT, but included Cotador out of sentimentality and well wishes. one good decision cancels a bad one. story of my life.

      b) agree on Contador getting hosed on the clenbutrol flap. i have watched these last ten years of cycling with a jaundiced perspective, because it’s the same sort of shit e have seen time and time again. the drugs are different, the individuals are different, yet the mechanisms of deceit remain the same. all i see, collectively, are the same riders, guilty of the same shit, scurrying back and forth from one conveniently held position to another. the only differences are, some have produced results, and some have NOT. the only two individuals i respect in the pantheon of whistleblowers are Lemond and Andreu, who both came forward when they still had something SIGNIFICANT to lose. in my eyes, the rest are doing nothing but recriminating and playing dumb, in a sisyphean effort to validate their percieved legacy.

      c) has anybody here watched Icarus yet? if an organization can change urine samples to protect the guilty, another organization can surely do the same to implicate the innocent. why, at this point, should any of us believe ANY of the players in this story to hold some sort of moral high ground? every last agency invoved in this ongoing debacle has demonstrated corruption and incompetence. UCI, WADA, etc, straight down the line. gimme a break. may as well ask the IRS their opinion, too.




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    • i should qualify that rant by saying that i really don’t believe Lemond ever doped in the first place, so maybe “coming forward” isn’t the best way to describe what he went though. truth lies in action. viewed thru the lens of history, Lemond’s actions are those of an innocent man. and a righteous one.




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    • sure he did, it is a matter of record, now. yet, why was the Russian Federation allowed by the IOC to compete at the Rio Olympics, again? bullshit on top of bullshit! it’s about money, and only money. once Lance’s career crossed the threshold whereby more money could be made by taking him down, than by looking the other way, the endgame was a foregone conclusion. i am cynical for a reason. follow the money. you’ll never be wrong, but reality spares no disillusion.




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    • @Cary

      …and I took Bardet out based on your comments. Who’s the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows the fool?




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    • @RobSandy

      i’ve been trying to figure that out since i was in the Marine Corps. no answers yet.




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    • Some time ago I read a scientific article on this contaminated meat stuff that purportedly was from a reliable scientific source, I can’t remember whether it was around the Contador incident or another one so I will make that disclaimer. Basically what it came to, is that for Clenbuterol (etc) to be retained in meat in sufficient quantity to give a positive test in an athlete then either the bull would have to have a dose that would probably kill it or the athlete would have to eat the figurative bull between two bread vans. Since then I’ve always been a bit cynical over contaminated food – unless the contamination was direct into the food ie from a malicious source. If I ever get really bored I may try to find the article.




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    • I finally paid to watch cycling this years (cycling.tv) and now the Vuelta is blacked out in the U.S. Great!




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    • @Ron

      Ron,

      I watched the Sporza feed on Steephill.tv yesterday – live! Ok, it’s in Dutch, but hey, you can’t have it all!




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    • @Joe Bloggs

      I got your jist and appreciate the informed comment. Yeah, Bertie should have retired a while back, but I guess when teams throw big $$ at you it’s hard to turn down.




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    • @wiscot

      Robbie McEwen had a very interesting observation regarding this upon his own retirement years ago. as i recall, it was something like “a rider must compete until they are done racing.” meaning, if a rider retires too soon, before the spirit and willingness to compete at the pro level is exhausted, they will struggle to adjust to life after cycling. as a fan, i always liked McEwen. nobody in his day had his race savvy and killer instinct. that he’s articulated the dynamics of racing at the top levels so as to be better understood by punters like me is a big plus, too.




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    • check this out, if y’all haven’t already. Froome advocating the 3 second rule, implemented during the TdF. as a viewer, i surely noticed the difference at the Tour, and it seems like a good idea:

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-froome-advocates-three-second-rule-for-flat-stages/




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    • @wiscot

      The NBC Sports Gold cycling package (I think I paid $29.00 for 6 months) is broadcasting the Vuelta live on its website. Well worth it for those of us in the USA.




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    • @dancollins

      I’m in the US but get my TV “over the air” these days. Cut the cable a few years back. That’s not too bad a price though . . .




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    • @wiscot

      I only get “over the air”, too. But the NBC Sports Gold is something that you can get through your computer, tablet or (maybe) a smart TV app. I put the app on my tablet so I can watch from anywhere. Well, except from my place of employment – they would frown at that.




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    • @MangoDave

      I believe Dave is correct. I don’t think you need a TV subscription to NBC Sports. As long as you have access to the internet, you can buy the NBC Sports Gold cycling package app. I watch it on my laptop and on my smartphone.




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    • Froome has a time-sapping mechanical, Contador crashes out.




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    • Froome has a mechanical – with none of the benefits of the Yellow Jersey!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Kruijswijk
      2. Bardet
      3. Yates
      4. Froome
      5. Aru



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  • This week we are currently in is the most boring week of the year. After three weeks of non-stop Tour de France coverage, we slip, without any warning whatsoever, back into the doldrums of loving a sport that […]




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    I have memories of my life before Cycling, but as the years wear slowly on my mind their edges become less pronounced, like water wearing away at a sharp stone. My memories of Cycling, which start at the age of […]




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    • the older i get, the less appetite i have for “adventure”. my life has been “adventurous” enough already, is my usual train of thought. nevertheless, i am always thrilled when i get an opportunity to go ride somewhere else. twice a year, i get the hell out of town for a weekend to go do something new on my bike, or at least do something i don’t do often. gotta freshen the well somehow.




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    • Reading this as an avid MTBiker it has a completely different taste. Though Velominati is rather road cycling realm cycling opens another universes once you are willing to leave paved roads and to go for uncharted paths in the woods. And yes, finding the way on the map and then making the hypothesis reality is certainly one of the great pleasures in cycling.




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    • I don’t take many journeys by bike, car or train without craning my neck at a glimpse of unknown tarmac, wondering ‘where does that road go…?’.

      I’m also completely obsessed with maps – spend a lot of time on Bing maps with the Ordnance Survey maps turned on, looking for those squiggles.




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    • Being a former avid boyscout, I still enjoy scrutinizing maps.

      Yet, as Switzerland is still not my homecountry, and me not always having a fair idea where I am (with almost every village -even the one where I live- ending with ****-ikon , like Buttikon, confusing!) I tend to be less adventurous (ok, the risk of meeting sudden unanticipated and steep hills just around the corner, stuck in the big ring, plays a wee role as well). But, when back in the Netherlands, where I have no fixed routes, and more familiar with the topography, I ride as far as I want anywhere and then turn back. Going there as from Saturday this week!




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    • @KogaLover

      this is always fun i like doing things this way. i’m not a huge fan of maps, really, as i looked at enough of them in the Marine Corps to last well into my next life.




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    • When I’m out and about locally, I like to follow the mantra of “I don’t know where I am, but I’m not lost.” The beauty of the States is that most roads (well, here in WI at any rate), are usually on a grid pattern so getting totally lost is kinda impossible so long as you have a decent sense of awareness and direction.




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    • Great article! I love maps and still use them, considering I don’t have a gps device on my bike and still use a basic cell phone.

      Oh man, the only way I can stand the frequent trips to eastern NC to visit the in-laws is by looking at all the country lanes running along the new highways, wishing I was on a bicycle and not in a car. With all the crazy motorists, I find myself riding more and more on the quietest routes and at really off-peak hours. Besides, nothing beats starting a weekend morning with a nice two-hour loop, back before the VMH is even out of bed.




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    • mapped 58mi allroad route December 2015 because I had sent my frame to Toronto – no riding, may as well map a route – perfected this *essential route* thru 2016 – motivated to collaborate, sponsor and support it as The Saluda Roubaix race April 2017 – overheard race director David Hall with his team, “have no idea how he found some of these roads.” P.S. can someone figure out how to define *essential route* for the Lexicon here




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    • fotos via UNPULL




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    • @Pali65

      I once crashed while on a wanderlust of sorts on my mountain bike and for a brief moment thought I might have to call my wife for help. I had more panic from the idea that I would have to describe where I was as “I’m right here” than from any injuries.

      I found the spot on the Maprika app and since it wasn’t called “nearly broke my hip rock” I could point out the trails to her “just in case.”




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    • Ha, I have this weird issue where if I try to think about a route I haven’t ridden in awhile, I find myself getting confused. But once I jump on the bike, I find myself just going, not thinking, and getting it right. Relatedly, when someone asks me for driving directions I either a) can’t tell them how to go because I don’t know road names, as I’m watching drivers and trying not to get run over, not looking at signs b) can tell them how to go, but halfway through I realize my route isn’t all passable via car c) can’t tell them how to go since I live my life in a little bubble, going the same places daily/weekly. I’m a big time creature of habit.




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    • @universo

      this looks gorgeous and fun. i did my first gravel ride in May, and it was awesome. hitting trails like this on a road bike at 40kph was pretty outrageous.




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    • VbyV replied 1 month ago

      This one was a few years ago. I love it when the pavement runs out.




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    • @Cary

      Yup. Gravel is fun. I did the Bear 100 in northern WI this spring. 180 kms – 90%+ on gravel. For the last 30 kms the man with the hammer was sitting on my stem laughing at me and slapping me in the face while laughing hysterically. I’ll miss the Hibernator 100 in October, but I’ll be back for the Bear next year. It puts all other century rides into some serious perspective . . .




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    • Cary replied 1 month ago

      @wiscot

      i don’t think i could do 180k on gravel. my ride in may was a hilly 105k and i was completely bonked for the last 12k.




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    • @Cary

      I hear ya! The Bear is pretty undulating with some pretty soft gravel most of the way. Many climbs have to be done seated otherwise your rear wheel spins out. The ride is unsupported. Four water stops (including one gas station) and that’s it. The forecast this year was between 80-100% chance of rain. Half the registrants (70 of 140) didn’t show,which is a big deal as it’s a pay-on-the-day gig. It started out chilly (mid 30s) and stayed dry until about a minute after we finished! Had it rained during the last two hours I’d have crawled into the woods to die and be eaten by whatever fancied my carcass. Good times!




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    • VbyV replied 1 month ago

      I like this topic. When the sign says Closed, I go there. Five by Five.




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  • Somethings gone amuck with the rest day swaps code. I’ll see if I can get them working in time, but worst case is that no one swaps, which is not a terrible worst case…




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  • I’m putting my money on the little pocket rocket from Columbia. Bardet is due to. I’m hoping my fifth place for Froome is giving him a higher place than he gets, but I want the points when he inevitably

    proves me wrong and wins.

    VSP PICKS:

    1. Quintana Roo
    2. Bardet
    3. The Door
    4. Aru
    5. Froome



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  • As many of you know, I write a monthly column for Cyclist Magazine where I answer Dear Abby-esque questions, and the most recent query pertained to whether I consider the Tour the best race of the year, or whether […]




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Pinot
      5. Quintana



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Fuglsang
      3. Quintana
      4. Froome
      5. Aru



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    • Porte FTW (fingers crossed!)

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Contador
      5. Aru



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    • Got to be time for another of us Aussies to go to the top step.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Contador
      5. Five faces



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froomie
      2. Fucking Quintana
      3. Pass the Porte
      4. Aru
      5. Pass the Pinot



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Aru
      5. Valverde



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. (hey) Froomey
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Fuglsang



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Vroem-vroem Froome
      2. POSH (Porte Out Starboard Home)
      3. V-ana
      4. Contador Toreador
      5. Bird’s song (Fuglsang)



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    • Error Please type something…What is occurring with my VSP picks?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Romain Bardet
      5. Fabio Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Aru
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Valverde
      2. Porte
      3. Bardet
      4. Pinot
      5. Benoot



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    • i would love to see Valvecap win the Tour, just to see how badly everyone would SHIT. lol




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    • @Cary

      He did say he was fully committed to supporting Quintana. Probably as usual by riding off up the road……….




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    • One of the the top 5 will crash or get sick or something but which one…but the gamble is to leave one out of the picks altogether. So controversially I’m going with Froomey not making it to Paris, not even running. Porte has peaked too soon, so that leaves it clear for Nairo.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Bardet
      4. Fugslang
      5. Mollema



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Contadoe



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Contador
      4. Quintana
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Fabio Aru
      5. Alberto Contador



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    • Fortress Froome and Skybots can be had this year.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome



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    • This is not the order I want them to win…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • Trying to think how to come up with a set that has a wild factor. I was thinking Quintana might lose enough in the TTs so moved him off the podium but then is Aru likely to rock the TTs without fitting a rocket pack? Ok the TTs are not long but……….so out with Aru and out with Contador. Somehow he hasn’t seem quite the same since overdosing on Spanish steak.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Birdsong
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Bardet
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador



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    • Not much logic in my picks, other than Froome can’t keep up his robotic performances indefinitely.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Valverde



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte



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    • I give up trying to use the boxes to enter my picks. Technology has failed me once again.

      1. Porte

      2. Froome

      3. Quintana

      4. Aru

      5. Contador

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte



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    • @Chickenmcnasty

      You are not trying to use IE are you?




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    • @Chickenmcnasty

      Also I see you got one pick. Don’t hit return between entries use the mouse or the down arrow key.




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    • Wishful thinking, mostly




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Froome
      4. Contador
      5. Valverde



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Bardet
      3. Valverde
      4. Chaves
      5. Contador



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    • the brain disagrees but this list is following my heart…




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Aru
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Quintana
      3. Froome
      4. Aru
      5. Bardet



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    • Hmm, I’ve very curious to see how I personally react to the Tour this year. With a 14 month old on hand, job, wife, grad school, etc. I barely have time to ride, much less watch cycling. I hardly paid attention to the Giro. I almost feel guilty that I’m not that into watching pro cycling these days. But, I’ve always been a person who tries out new things, can become immersed, then moves on. I hope this never happens with my joy of riding, but I wonder if the Tour will lure me back in. We’ll see.

      Kicks off on Canada Day, nice one for our northern buddies! I was on Prince Edward Island five years ago on my honeymoon. Damn, I loved the Gentle Island.




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    • @Ron

      Ron, if you don’t know about it, steephill.tv sounds like your answer. Lots of clips, highlights, photos, links to articles. The best place to go for one-stop Tour coverage. You could fit it in to your crazy scheduler somewhere!




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    • Here goes the usual shite guesswork. I just want a clean, competitive race with no accidents. A few more TT kms would be nice, but Prudhomme hates TTs despite the fact that the Giro is screaming at him that it makes for a better race.

      I’ll go way out on a limb and predict another green jersey for Pinchy.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Chavez
      4. Quintana
      5. Porte



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    • If you are watching on Sunday when it goes through Henri-Chapelle watch out for a bunch of folk in vintage kit. L’eroica Limburg are doing a ride over there from Valkenburg to watch it go through. I should be there hopefully, in Brooklyn colours.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Alberto Contador
      5. Fabio Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Froome
      4. Bardet
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Chris
      2. PORTE Richie
      3. QUINTANA Nairo
      4. ARU Fabio
      5. CONTADOR Alberto



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    • Nice open Tour by the look of things,

      Potre best on paper at this stage but has a habit of loosing time when he shouldn’t.

      Valverde I good form too – might light it up and make it interesting!

      Hard to leave El Pistola off this list but too many guys i the mix!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie “1 bad day” Porte
      2. The faces of Nairo Quintana
      3. Froomacil
      4. Pinot Noir
      5. Valverde



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    • I would love Richie to win but I think for him to win his team has to be perfect and I just don’t think BMC have it…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Nairo Quintana
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Chris Froome
      4. Fabio Aru
      5. Romain Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Aru
      3. Bardet
      4. Porte
      5. Contador



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    • @wiscot

      Also, technically you are in the breeding and blimping stage of life so…




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Bardet
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Contador
      5. Aru



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    • Bardet tin, Pinot out.

      not sure why I put Pinot in originally. Got my French favs mixed up.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie “1 bad day” Porte
      2. The faces of Nairo Quintana
      3. Froomacil
      4. Bardet
      5. Valverde



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    • question: has there ever been a grand tour team stacked deeper than Team Sky for this Tour? Froome’s lieutenants would be team leaders elsewhere.




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    • Froom will win it I guess.

      My choice would be Valverde, but the reason I will watch le Tour is Sagan and his show & pursuit of another Green jersey.




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    • @Pali65

      Sagan truly animates every event he participates.




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    • @Erik

      That was almost a poem.




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    • I think Froome will pull his best form out of the hat to beat Bardet and Porte in the last week.

      Quintana looked tired in the Giro and I don’t see him racing fresher.

      But what do I know?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador



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    • @RobSandy

      Given that the only difference between our picks is that you’ve gone for Froome over Bardet, I think you’ve probably nailed it.

      Or fucked it up just slightly less horribly than I have.




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    • @frahronk The v-site is broken, paragraphs don’t work and it’s infected with nasty little social media likey likey things. /newpara If we must have social media buttons, can we have a little “that’s shite” turd button?




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    • @chris

      I’d love it if Bardet won the Tour. But like I’ve said before, never bet on the guy you want to win.




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    • @chris

      Best thing is, the ‘Like’ buttons don’t work either!

      Suits me, I don’t like anything.




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    • @RobSandy

      They seem to work for me, I’ve just liked your post. Perhaps the system recognises your likeless, cynical soul.

      Disclaimer: I only clicked like to test it. I generally do my liking anonymously, in private and elsewhere. I am British, after all, and wouldn’t want anyone to see me show emotion.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nairo Quintana
      2. Alejandro Valverde
      3. Richie Porte
      4. Warren Barguil
      5. Dan Martin



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    • Interesting interview with Froome on the Beeb – has some detailed observations

      about going in to the pain cave: http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/40436886

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Fuglsang
      5. Bardet



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    • Froome wins, that’s what he does. Seen the Sky team? You could start a war with that lot, three of them capable of a top five or even a podium.

      Tempted to pick Porte over Quintana for second but I think the Movistar machine will swing it for the impassive Colombian.

      The rest? Pick any two from a dozen or so rising stars, nearly men, and super-domestiques

      .

      VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
      3. PORTE Richie
      4. BARDET Romain
      5. ARU Fabio



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    • @Teocalli

      Much envy

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Vroem-vroem Froome
      2. POSH (Porte Out Starboard Home)
      3. V-ana
      4. Contador Toreador
      5. Bird’s song (Fuglsang)



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    • @Teocalli

      Should be amazing! Next year I’ll be at Limburg (although I doubt it will be close to the tdf next year–but one can hope!).




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Quintana
      3. Froome
      4. Bertie
      5. Valverde



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    • @chris

      I like your idea, but 95% of what’s on Social Media is generally classifiable as “shite.” I like to think the V-site shite is a better class of shite. Designer shite if you will, for a discerning audience.




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    • I guess as a Brit I should be rooting for Froomey/Sky but the last few months shenanegins make me not want to see another tour dominated by the Sky Train.




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    • @chris

      @sthilzy

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Froomey
      3. Quintana
      4. Porte
      5. Pinot



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Contador
      5. Aru



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    • Going with some non-obvious choices. Time will tell if there is enough chaos for this to come to pass.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Jacob Fugslang
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Roman Bardet
      4. Nairo Quintana
      5. Alejandro Valverde



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    • Astana has two guys. Does that work? Cannondale has all the US rep’s. I like Cannondale. Quintana and the double… that’s gotta be tough. TdF starts with a TT and at same time

      I’ll be in Louisville watching the USAC Juniors race for Nat’s. Louisville will be infinitely more fun. Cheers all.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. PORTE Richie
      3. BARDET Romain
      4. QUINTANA Nairo
      5. CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto



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    • @Geraint

      i was thinking the last Grand Tour team as deep as team Sky was maybe ’71 Molteni, with Swerts, Bruyere, Huysmans, Deschoenmaker. when you’ve got four champions for lieutenants, anything less than victory is a surprise.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Pinot
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Fulsang
      5. Bardet



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    • Bit obvious…but here goes!




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Alberto Contador
      5. Alejandro Valverde



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Thibault Pinot
      3. Froome
      4. Bardet
      5. Quintana



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    • Why is it that no one eve asks me to take part in studies like this?




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    • @chris

      And that is hard to believe !




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    • @Randy C

      The results of the study are hard to believe or it’s hard to believe they didn’t ask me?




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    • @chris

      An athlete of your caliber would almost certainly skew the results.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Bardet
      5. Fugslang



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nairo Quintana
      2. Alejandro Valverde
      3. Alberto Contador
      4. Fabio Aru
      5. Richie Porte



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    • Hsrd to pick against Froome

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Valverde
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador



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    • @RobSandy

      A fairly low calibre. Theres enough other stuff sloshing around in there after last night that you probably struggle to find any EPO.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Fuglsang
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet



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    • Let’s just hope there isn’t too much overdoing it with the yellow and green bits, beyond the jersey itself.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Aru
      5. Quintana



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Contador
      5. Aru



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    • Cant wait




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Alejandro Valverde
      4. Romain Bardet
      5. Jacob Fuglsang



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    • @chris

      Maybe I meant Kalibe then. Although that’s alcohol free…




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    • @RobSandy

      Kaliber.

      joke ruined by fat fingers…




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    • This list has a kinda familiar

      ring to it

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome Dog
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Clenbutador
      5. Adam Yates



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    • I’m hoping for some exciting racing, though my picks aren’t very exciting.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome, Chris
      2. Porte, Richie
      3. Bardet, Romain
      4. Quintana, Nairo
      5. Aru, Fabio



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Aru
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Porte
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Nairo Quintana
      3. Alberto Contador
      4. Romain Bardet
      5. Adam Yates



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    • Here goes nothing

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Contador
      4. Fuglsang
      5. Aru



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    • I’m putting my money on the little pocket rocket from Columbia. Bardet is due to. I’m hoping my fifth place for Froome is giving him a higher place than he gets, but I want the points when he inevitably

      proves me wrong and wins.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana Roo
      2. Bardet
      3. The Door
      4. Aru
      5. Froome



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Bardet
      3. Froome
      4. Quintana
      5. Fuglsang



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Valverde
      3. Contador
      4. Fuglsang
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. R. Porte
      2. C. Froome
      3. E. Chaves
      4. R. Bardet
      5. Valverde



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    • Crazy with Contador.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Contador
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet



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    • Best moment of last year’s edition ? Was it Froome attacking over the top for big descent off the front or was it Froome and Thomas hitching on to Sagan and Bodnar for an attack off the front ? Either way, anyone seeing Teams Porte, Nairo, Bardet pulling off that kinda race action ? We shall see… anyways, The Sky Train/Froome Fortress, unless misfortune strikes, is very, very strong.

      btw @chris hard to believe the idea put forth that it doesn’t work !!!

      cheers all




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • @wiscot

      If by “discerning” you mean “shite,” then yes.




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    • What the heck. Froome is already older than Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault and Indurain were when they won their fifth Tours. So’s Valverde, but I’m picking he and Bardet can get something from the descent finishes. With less than 40km of time trials the race is made for Bardet, but Valverde looks smarter and more durable to me…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Valverde
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Froome
      5. Chaves



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    • After sitting out the Giro because my picks did not register, and then delgadoing the Tour de Suisse, I am jumping back into the fray. Although, my picks seem rather lemming-like… And we’re off for a three-week adventure just like that.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Froome
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Robert Gesink
      5. Alberto Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Bardet
      4. Contador
      5. Quintana



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    • Gah, having such an off year. Shots in the dark…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Nairo Quintana
      3. Romain Bardet
      4. Richie Porte
      5. Alberto Contador



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    • Predictable choice. Expecting Quintana to be the ‘nearly man’ once again.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Pinot
      4. Contador
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Quintana
      5. Aru



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    • Holy shit. Just remembered at the last minute. Literally figuratively the last minute!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Aru
      5. Izagirre Ion



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    • Ya’ll watching the start of this TT? Raining, wet and all the corners and road paint. Nacer Bouhanni may as well get off his bike and walk around the corners as fast as he’s taken some of ’em. And he’s making a catch too ?!? Super exciting… yahhhnnn… Wouldn’t that be classic suck yes? Day 1 and someone finds themselves a pile of time back after they dump it in a wet slick corner full of road paint.




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    • Not that far away in Valkenburg and its pissing it down and has been since the early hours. Would have had an epic ride this morning but managed to take a wrong turn – again and did the bleedin’ short course – again. Somewhat miffed as along with another guy we are sure we didn’t miss a sign but clearly we must have. Oh well, off to see the TdF go by tomorrow.




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    • @Randy C

      Valverde down and slid in the barriers hard – didn’t look like he was getting up anytime quickly.




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    • One down. More proof that it never pays to bet for or against Valverde. Hope he’s not too injured. Looked like a hard fall.




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    • As much as I truly detest Malmerde and wish that he would just go away from cycling forever, I never wish him any harm or that he will crash.

      Hope he is fine and not hurt too awfully bad.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Broken kneecap. Sounds painful.

      On the plus side, Go G! I am absolutely made up for the guy, especially after the Giro. Stage win an Maillot Jaune, probably for a good few days too. Legend.




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    • That was a stupid start to the TdF… So, the main goal of the opening stage for the racers was to stay upright ?? And here we are with an entirely upset set of circumstances to kick everything off as a result of a stupid course that had no business being raced in the rain. Wonder if anyone setting this up thought, well geeze, wouldn’t this be a real beauty if it rains ? Stupid stage. My opinion.




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    • Richie Porte looked like a mightily relieved man.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      why do people dislike him? is it the doping connection, or is he some kind of arrogant among arrogants? this isn’t a troll, i’m asking an honest question. he doesn’t seem any better or worse than many of the other higher profile pro tour riders, to me.




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    • @Teocalli

      At least you got 100k in; I got zero… How many heightmeters?




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    • This could be perfect, Thomas follows team orders and rides in support of Froome but with only a few mountain stages has no jour sans, finishes with him everyday and wins.




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    • @ChrisO

      relieved not to crash?




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    • @Cary

      For most it’s the way he skated through Puerto under full protection of the Spanish Federation – http://www.velominati.com/racing/how-the-mighty-fall/ and has since seemed to get better & better despite advancing years…




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    • @Mikael Liddy

      very interesting. i had noticed that some riders seemingly skate through untouched, while others are hammered. i have been quite unaware Spain’s national federation had behaved this way.




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    • @Cary

      Sorry, just seeing this.

      It is the completely unrepentant doper who is obviously still on the sauce and doesn’t bother really hiding his past or showing any concern or shame about it. Not to mention the way he attacked like FUCK Cuddles flat that cost Cuddles the Vuelta and gave Malmerde the victory.

      The guy has no class or integrity or honour and is everything that is wrong with the sport and everything that the sport is trying to cleanse itself of and get ride of.




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    • For our TdF excursion we had what I believe was an official TdF Photo bike. He’s a few of the pics he took as the TdF went through. Either side of this wee storm it was a nice day.




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    • @RobSandy

      Exactly. The ITV interviewer grabbed him on the turbo and asked was he happy to get through and Porte just couldn’t have agreed any harder.




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    • @ChrisO

      He was probably also relieved that he won’t have the pressure of being anywhere close to leading the race. He gave away The Tour in the first stage.




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    • @Rick

      He’s let quite a big time gap open to Froome already which he’s going to have to work hard to close. 30 odd seconds is never trivial.

      I’m not surprised any of the other main contenders didn’t finish closer to the top of the stage rankings, but I’m surprised that none of them were any closer to Froome – didn’t a lot of these guys beat Froome in a TT in the Dauphine?




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    • @RobSandy

      Sky are winning because they used very cheaty skinsuits on Stage 1. Or so some FDJ aligned French boffin has alleged.




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    • @chris

      Apparently, they have been used in competiton prior to The Tour and have been approved by the UCI.



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    • @chris

      Touche.




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    • Changing the subject, anyone know why Kwiatkowski was wearing black while the rest of Sky are wearing white? Is that some sort of cheat too?




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    • @RobSandy

      If you are referring to stage 2, I thought he was wearing a black rain jacket. I don’t recall whether he was wearing black during the ITT.




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    • @Rick

      I’d also assumed it was a Gabba type rain jacket.




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    • @chris

      I believe that Phil mentioned that he was wearing a black rain jacket.




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    • @Rick

      I am convinced that he was wearing what looked exactly like a black version of the jersey that the other riders were wearing. I noticed a different Sky rider wearing a black gillet with the white sleeves of the jersey sticking out, but I’m sure Kwiatkowski was all in black.

      Now, of course, I can’t find any photos to back up my claim.




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    • @Rick

      This is the best I can do – that’s Kwiat just ahead of Froome. Looks to me like a normal jersey but in black. Also noticed he was wearing a different helmet.




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    • @RobSandy

      Good find. I thought it was a black rain jacket but not sure. Perhaps he forgot to get his white jersey in the laundry?




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    • @Rick

      Not convinced. It doesn’t seem to have the new Sky Castelli horizontal line motif seen on the Aero Race jersey but does seem to have the relatively thick horizontal black pocket trim across the tops of the pockets of the Gabba 3.

      I think being the club kit secretary has turned me into a bit of a spotter…




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    • @chris

      Nice find. That makes sense as I believe that riders who are not in approved kit are fined. Latitude is given for rain gear in bad weather.

      Not that it matters but I saw a podium photo of Sky for the top team presentation. Eight were wearing white while the only non conformist was wearing yellow.




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    • Sagan unclips and STILL wins. what an animal!




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    • @Cary

      Not the first time. Believe 2015 WC championships saw a similar Saganical (i coined that word back then but never made it to the Lexicon)




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    • Sagan is a phenomenal rider but he looks like a fucking clown.

      In the name of all that is holy… what was he wearing around his neck. Pink ski goggles? The cap looked stupid enough with his hair doing a comic turn, he really didn’t need to accessorize it.

      Sorry but I just can’t feel the love, however many bike races he wins.




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    • @ChrisO

      The goggles that he wore on the podium were not worn during the stage. He was wearing traditional black framed shades when he crossed the finish line. He may well have been wearing pink ski goggles on the podium. I am 100% sure that this was sponsor mandated as they were plastered with the company logo. I would also be willing to bet that the podium hat was sponsor ordered as well.

      It is hard to argue that he sometimes looks like a clown. Below is a photo of him at the UCI awards last year. I find him refreshing and entertaining and am willing to let Peter be Peter. I think he is the best ambassador for the sport in decades.




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    • BTW: I meant to post that on the other thread with the backstage pass…




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    • @Buck Rogers

      To do him some credit (which I’m sure you wont agree with) he was riding hard to try and do the Movistar double-threat of having Valverde and Quintana both as GC contenders.

      But everyone else rode that corner and 1 rider crashed there. That’s not dangerous conditions, that’s someone overcooking it.

      What are the organisers going to say? “Sorry lads, bit wet out, everyone take it easy”. We don’t want that.




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    • Fuck! Sagan just took Cav out badly! Curious as to how badly they punish him?




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Yes, I am a big Sagan fan but that was unacceptable.




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    • @Rick

      Yup. I have always loved Sagan but that was really bad. Relegated to last on the stage for sure, I wonder if anything other punishment?




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Shit, they are describing it on live text. Sounds like Cav has done a collarbone, tour over?

      What about G? Anyone else get taken out in either crash?

      The more racing I do, the more pro bunch sprints shit me up.




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    • @RobSandy

      Thomas and Froome looked fine across the line.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Fuck Sagan. That was unacceptable. He put Cav into the barriers with an elbow. I don’t want to hear any bullshit about “Oh, I had to or I was going to crash myself” – Sagan is probably the best bike handler in the peloton. He should be thrown out of the race – but they won’t because he’s good for ratings and world champ.




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    • @wiscot

      Exactly what I was thinking and it makes me cringe to think it. They will not throw him out b/c he is WAYYYYY to popular but man, that was pretty vicious. Cav was questionably trying to get throw an opening that was closing but Sagan just fucked him straight into the barriers. No excuse.




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    • Via Twitter:

      1m

      Selon @BorjaCuadrado, la Dimension Data demande l’expulsion du Tour de France de Peter Sagan, pour son geste sur Cavendish. #TDF2017




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    • @Rick

      “RT @SophieSmith86: Roger Hammond and Rolf Aldag remonstrating with judges after Cavendish crash. Hammond calling for Sagan to go home. #tdf…”




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    • @wiscot

      From the overhead Sagan had a lot of space to his left so there’s no way he can try to use that as an excuse.

      Cycling News are saying there was some sort of tiff going on between Sagan and Greipel over Sagan being a twat in the intermediate sprint.




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    • Disqualification, relegation or a haircut and a ban on trucker caps?




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    • Cav was actually in front of Sagan so no way he didn’t know he was there. It wasn’t Sagan’s space.

      But the other thing to look at in that finish is Demare. He comes three metres to his left in the last 10-20 and nearly takes Bouhanni out as well, who just manages to check and avoid Demare’s rear wheel.

      But of course they aren’t going to DQ the first French sprint winner in more than 10 years.

      Funny that French TV hasn’t shown the usual overhead shots.




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    • @ChrisO

      You mean the same Demare that climbed into the backseat of his team car to get up the Cipressa when he “won” MSR in ’16??? Nah, no one would ever question him.




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    • @chris

      All three???




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    • @RobSandy

      Thomas did go down in the earlier crash but looked like he scrubbed a lot of speed before going over the debris of the crash. Could not spot whether Froome went down or just got held up.




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    • According to Cycling News Sagan docked 30 seconds: 18:06:08 CEST

      Here is the revised top 10 on the stage after Sagan’s demotion.

      1 Arnaud Demare (Fra) FDJ 04:53:54 2 Alexander Kristoff (Nor) Katusha-Alpecin 00:00:00 3 André Greipel (Ger) Lotto Soudal 00:00:00 4 Nacer Bouhanni (Fra) Cofidis, Solutions Credits 00:00:00 5 Adrien Petit (Fra) Direct Energie 00:00:00 6 Jurgen Roelandts (Bel) Lotto Soudal 00:00:00 7 Michael Matthews (Aus) Team Sunweb 00:00:00 8 Manuele Mori (Ita) UAE Team Emirates 00:00:00 9 Tiesj Benoot (Bel) Lotto Soudal 00:00:00 10 Zdenek Stybar (Cze) Quick-Step Floors 00:00:00




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    • @ChrisO

      It must be a first for Brouhaha not to have cause a sprint finish controversy?




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    • @Buck Rogers

      or Four????




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    • @chris

      Rest assured, he nearly took out Greipel but that was prior to the Sagan incident. Greipel’s rear wheel flailing all over the shop as he struggles to get back on his line.




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    • Demare says that Sagan is being penalised 80 points. Not sure if that is official or not?




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    • In a GIF that I unfrotunately am unable to post but can be viewed here: Daniel Vassbund @Smoothedan It appears that Cav’s handlebars hit Sagans forearm and push it and the elbow forward.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      My understanding is that Sagan is penalized 30 seconds so he forgoes the 30 points from today’s stage. In addition he is penalized 50 points for a total of 80 points penalty.




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    • Twitterati now reporting Sagan has been expelled from the TDF for dangerous riding.




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    • @Rick

      According to the BBC Sagan is disqualified.




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    • Wow! Kicked out? Really?

      I agree with relegation to last, fining him, taking away a shit load of points but DQ’ing him?

      I don’t agree with that. A bit BS if you ask me.

      Those dudes are crazy with elbows and fighting for position, whatnot in the sprints. Not saying what he did was at all okay, but to throw him out … too much in my opinion.




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    • I think Sagan was at fault but DQ is too harsh… relegation and loss of points would have been enough.

      And I still want to see an overhead to look at Demare’s move.




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    • They were both in the wrong, it seems to me. Sagan veered off his line, and Cav was going for something that wasn’t there. He was going down either way, I reckon. DQ is too harsh.




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    • Make of it what you will. https://streamable.com/t/j7gqb

      The whole bunch had veered to the right. It seems to me that Sagan feels Cav up on him, sticks the elbow out to protect himself / keep balance (Cav already going down).

      Was he DQd for the elbow? That didn’t cause the crash. Was it for the line? He was riding his line parallel with the rest of the bunch, more or less, who had all been veered right behind Demare. Whatever the reason or reasons, a DQ is BS.

      Hope Cav isn’t as banged up as he seems to be, and that tomorrow’s drama is confined to an eventful GC battle.




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    • @stooge

      That’s an interesting video analysis.

      The jury should have looked at Demare’s line, too. He had a clear path to the finish line ahead of him and instead veered abruptly to his left.




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    • @stooge

      It starts too late.

      I agree it wasn’t the elbow that sent him down but the video needs to start while they are under the shadow of the tree – that’s when Cavendish is next to Sagan, who then moves across on him.

      And Chris Boardman also made the point about Demare. How can you DQ Sagan and do nothing to Demare?




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    • Interesting tweet from Greipel:

      Sometimes I should watch images before I say something. Apologies to as I think that decision of the judge is too hard.




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    • does anybody else remember Sagan’s shoulder check on the Kemmelberg a few months ago?

      a DQ is maybe too harsh, today, but he’s gotten away with his share of unnecessary physicality in the past. he’s wearing a world champion jersey. people are going to notice him first.




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    • It is now being reported that Cav is out with a broken shoulder.




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    • Rule #59 violation is the reason for Sagan’s DQ. Bit too harsh I guess.

      http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#59

      Remember Cav’s silver medal in RIO?

      https://youtu.be/869ytxoJsF8




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    • Cav officially out of Tour now according to team tweet:

      Unfortunately, @MarkCavendish has been forced to withdraw from #TDF2017.




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    • Sure seams to me like Cav was making a line where there wasn’t going to be one. And the only way he was gonna get thru was to put his head and shoulder in to Sagan (reminds me of stage 1 in UK). Sagan gets bumped to the left and his right elbow’s gonna swing out to counter.

      So, the tour so far:

      1) Stupid stage 1 leaves Movistar shortchanged and main GC contenders at 30 sec disadvantage cause they chose not to bomb around tight turns w/wet road paint on TT bikes.

      2) Cav and Sagan out.

      3) Barring misfortune the Sky Train could win with either Thomas or Froome.

      Too bad the women’s Giro isn’t being televised.




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    • The whole incedent might have taken 1.5 seconds. Should descisions made by instinct and body movements that are in reaction to very small forces be judged from poor camera angles by people who have no experience of those speeds and situations? The jury may have been too hasty. Not that they don’t have experience but they too are probably working with the same camera angles.

      I am of the opinion that Cav was too aggressive and got caught out. His leaning into Sags is the start of the chain of events. Why did that happen? Not because of Sags. The elbow may be physics at best or defensive at worst I do not think Sags did I it to get rid of the competition.




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    • An after thought, I like them both – a lot. They both have class and a sense of humor while being fucking pro both on and off the bike. They are friends and know that this is pro racing. My bet is that they will go on as usual. This is just unfortunate for both.




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    • @Rob

      terribly so. some of these finishing stretches in grand tours lately are terribly technical. racers are going to race. sprint finishes look great on TV, and there are a LOT more top speed guys in the peloton now than ever before. there are a dozen Abdujaparovs, Cippolinis, and McEwens contesting every finish now. a certain amount of this carnage is inevitable, with things as they are.




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    • Give me a break!!! Cavendish knows the issues with a stage at the end…. Sagan did not throw an elbow or take him out…… I have had more sever bumps in a social recovery ride at my local bike shop on a Saturday AM !!!!!!

      Saga has been disqualified…. geeeez….just move on…… If everyone on the tour had the same thing (punishment) dolled out to them for bumps..elbows here and there and several other “SO CALLED” unacceptable behaviors there would be about the riders left in the tour….

      FUCKING GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is racing NOT a FUCKING knitting circle!!!!! If you can’t handle the bumps, and elbows, cut-offs etc etc …then get off the M—EFFING BIKE!!!!

      In other words SEE RULE NUMBER 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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    • @Duntov

      Did you read as far down as Rule #43?




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    • @chris

      Yup most of the comments here and on the rest of the ‘net do not go far enough back. The elbow was not the issue Sagan came straight across to where Cavendish already had the space and the wheel and rode into him. Maybe a DQ was a bit much but it did put another rider out so on that context it could be called fair. Another thought may be to have a points and time deduction plus a Yellow Card where another Yellow would result in a DQ.




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    • @Duntov

      I think you need to look in a mirror wrt your penultimate para.




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    • @Randy C

      You still banging that drum?!

      No-one was disadvantaged – if you’re a bike racer and you choose to ride slower than other guys in the same race you’re not going to win!

      If anyone was stupid it was Valverde for overcooking it into a tight corner in the wet.




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    • @chris

      That number of exclamation marks alone is a clear Rule #43 violation.




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    • @RobSandy

      That and excessive use of Caps Lock.




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    • @chris

      I DON’T SEE THE PROBLEM




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    • I won’t bore you with my analysis of the sprint, I’ve got nothing to add not already said. I will say, as sad as it is to see Sagan and Cav out, incidents like that are part of what makes cycling and the TDF great. If I want no contact and clean speed in marked lanes I’ll watch athletics. I love the chaos, the confusion, the complexity of slightly technical finishes. Sprints have always been dirty and juries always inconsistent – I like having something to analyze and argue about. When wax the last time the first week was crash free? It’s part of what makes the tour amazing. I’d hate to see a tour with nothing but clean sprints that test nothing other than speed. I can’t wait to see how today’s stage pans out and to see how the battle for points takes shape over the next week.




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    • @Cary

      There’s always been a bunch of quality sprinters and always been carnage. McEwen wrestling Cooke on the line in Paris for the green anyone? It’s not like those guys were winning every sprint by lengths or crashing on every sprint – it just seems that way through the mists of time. I think you’re both right – they’ll be back and thru won’t change how they ride, and a certain amount of carnage is inevitable.




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    • @dyalander

      bloodsport is fun until it surpasses its ability to pay for itself. an individual like Sagan, Cavendish, or in days gone by, Cippolini or McEwen, is bigger than the arena in which they participate. or Lance Armstrong was right about everything he’s currently villified for.




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    • @Cary

      It’s hardly a blood sport; I haven’t really expressed my point very well. Clearly the element of danger contributes to the spectacle. I’ve seen a lot of people posting that Sagan’s DQ has ruined the spectacle. My point is simply that it is the spectacle. Even the inconsistent jury decisions – it all adds interest. I wouldn’t want to make it more dangerous but nor would I want to sanitize it either.




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    • @dyalander

      it is, and i agree. as a fan, though, i’d rather have a Cavendish or Sagan, in one piece, contesting for the duration of the race, than to lose both in one throw. i’d hate to see the Tour turn into a meat grinder that cannot differentiate between prime beef and horsemeat.




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    • the best thing that could happen from yesterday’s stupidity would be if Sagan were to take this as an opprortunity to reinvent himself, as Jalabert did after Armentieres in 1994.

      clearly, he’s going to struggle to win BIG races, just like Lemond did. everyone in the peloton will knife each other in the liver to get his wheel in a classic. he animated almost the entire spring season, and has nothing to show for it. he’s the most talented all around rider of his generation. what could he do if he weighed less, for example? the sport is really his oyster.




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    • @RobSandy

      Oooh . . . you do like to stir things, don’t you? (You know what here!)




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    • @wiscot

      WHAT?




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    • @RobSandy

      wot ;)




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    • Damn, Aru did the business and looked the business today. That Italian champ’s jersey looked very sweet with minimal graphics. Kinda old school and the bike and helmet were nicely done.

      Dan Martin looked good too. I think this will be a great Tour if riders like Aru and Martin adopt an aggressive approach to things. Noting ventured, nothing gained guys . . . and the Green Jersey competition might actually be exciting . . .




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    • @wiscot

      Fucking love Dan Martin. Old school rider. Not very polished but I would rather drink with him than almost anyone in the pro peloton. Really hope he manages to get a stage win or two.

      And yes, great stage today. Aru did look really great.




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    • @chris

      I think @RobSandy was just demonstrating the proper implementation of Rule #43 there.




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    • @TheVid

      Unless we have another outbreak of Terry Pratchett coming round.




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    • @wiscot

      Here is hoping that Aru and Martin can animate what is setting up to be another Sky snooze fest. Regarding the Maillot vert, I am looking forward to an interesting competition and hope anyone but Demare or Bouhanni wins. Nothing against the hosts but I just don’t think either of these sprinters are Rule #43 compliant.

      Maillot vert




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    • @wiscot

      Yep, great attack, and he looked fantastic. Never been a big fan – his descending efforts in the 2015 Giro, among others, brings back memories of several face-palm moments – but I love the way he goes after it when he feels good. During the Giro, I learned of the amazing lengths he went to to get enough racing as a junior, travel wise, and that increased my respect for the guy. He certainly isn’t lacking in the heart department. Was great to see Martin finish so strongly, too. That’s gotta boost his confidence for a good result.

      Froome’s little blistering turn of speed looked ominous. Porte looked good too, apart from grinding that big gear again when he took over. Contador and Quintana looked tired. A lot of folks aren’t fond of the course, but I liked the TT start – if you didn’t show up ready, you were gonna lose time and couldn’t just build up slowly til the last half of the tour. And there looks to be a lot in it for the more punchy riders. I think the GC might be more interesting than some expected. Hope so

      Chaves lost some big time. Form was unknowable, but I thought he might be in with a chance for top 5. I picked him in lieu of Aru. Doh!




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    • @stooge

      And, though the green jersey comp may turn out to be an exciting one, in twenty years time, rightly or wrongly, whoever wins it will be recalled as the guy who won it that year Sagan was DQd. So whoever wins it better win it real good.




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    • @stooge

      To finish first, first you have to finish.




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    • Funny enough Slovak TV bought the rights for airing whole stages and Slovaks are so pissed off that no one wants to watch Tour de “Fraud” anymore… Conspiracies about “French wanted a French Green jersey winner, but they had to eliminate Sagan first, DD owner part of the TdF organizers team, etc…” are all around.

      As I see this, the long series of Cav sending fellow sprinters to the deck was finally punished as expected. Only a pity that Peter got the bill. He wanted 7 consecutive Maillot vert trophy and that feat is apparently over.




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    • @Pali65

      There are all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories getting around about Sagans DQ, let alone opinions of the incident itself, and from all corners of the globe. I was just reading about how it is the French and the English that are conspiring behind the scenes. It is a reminder of how much reach the TDF has, and that a huge part of the audience only really follow racing once a year (a fact not forgotten in the DQ decision itself, I’m sure). It’s all quite amusing.




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    • @wiscot, @Buck Rogers, @stooge let’s just get one thing clear. While Aru’s bike, kit & accessory choices are all correct ingredients for looking fantastic, none of that makes up for the horrific manner in which he actually drives the bike along.

      He makes Froome’s stem staring, spider humping a lightbulb, pedalling action look attractive!




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    • @Mikael Liddy

      You’ll get no argument from me. Double that when descending. Triple it if it’s wet.




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    • @Pali65

      Is there actually – ” the long series of Cav sending fellow sprinters to the deck “. I’m not counting but my impression is that he’s the one hat seems to mostly end up on the deck.




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    • @Mikael Liddy

      I think Dan Martin also looks pretty horrific when he’s laying down the V. The only one of the contenders I’d actually enjoy watching is Bardet – hope he does well.




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    • Where’d I get the +1 badge from? I think I preferred my VSP leader’s Rainbows…




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    • @RobSandy

      Isn’t that because he’s borrowed Shane McGowan’s teeth?

      Image result




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    • @stooge

      There is no Anglo French collusion to discredit Sagan or contrive to place a Frenchman in Green after years of hurt caused by English domination of yellow. None whatsoever. And there was no digital manipulation of the finish line photos.




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    • @RobSandy

      Your role in Pirates of the Caribbean in another thread.




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    • @chris

      Brilliant!




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    • @Teocalli

      Arrrr!

      @sthilzy started it anyway.




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    • @stooge

      Nah, nah, nah. I’d still rather watch Aru any day. Being Italian rather than Kenyan/English, there’s a bit more passion to the boy.




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    • @chris

      Wow! Shane’s teeth look pretty good in that pic! Usually they look like an abandoned graveyard. While I’m here, I have to brag about seeing the Pogues twice in 24 hours back in the early 80s. They played the Queen Margaret Union at Glasgow Uni on a Friday and didn’t finish until after midnight. Then, on Saturday night they played the Barrowlands in Glasgow’s east end. I don’t think Shane was sober the entire time!

      Lend me ten pounds and I’ll buy you a drink . . .




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    • WTF? I hear talk that Bora want Sagan reinstated. Ye cannae dae that! He’s out. He’s missed at least two stages. What kind of precedent would it set? This is not a rider missing a time cut through injury or illness. The race jury threw Sagan out for dangerous riding. Ok, so he are Cav are having a bit of a lovefest over it, but Pinchy is out. It’ll be a huge mistake to let him back in.




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    • @wiscot

      Lawyers are involved. I do not think they expect him to be reinstated that is just their opening bargaining position. The Bora council’s claim is that by rule a rider can only be expelled from the race if he is given the chance to present his case and Sagan was not given this chance. My guess is that they are ultimately looking for monetary damages from the UCI and/or ASO.




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    • @wiscot

      His team will have to drop back 2 stages and pace him back up.




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    • @wiscot

      Have you seen the reports of Cav and his family getting abuse on social media. There are some truly sick people out there.




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    • @Teocalli

      I have indeed. There are some positive things about social media – and some very bad things as well. Being able to hurl despicable invective anonymously being the chief expression of the latter.




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    • @Rick

      Bora might have a case for damages for lost PR/media exposure. Sagan gets a lot of press and that is now lost. They can’t reinstate him though. The UCI will happily say to ASO – “this one’s all yours.”




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    • @Pali65

      Great story. Glad they came around to the joke.




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    • @wiscot

      I heard that if the fine is less than 200 francs that they need not consult with the rider.

      As for social media, I think team directors taking to twitter, making allegations of violence, and dictating what must be done, prior to any decision, is way out of order. I get that emotions are high, but there should be a rule around this sort of thing, and it too needs to be enforced.

      It’s a shame it has ended up in court.




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    • Copied and pasted from UCI Cycling Regulations:

      12.2.006 The Commissaires Panel may judge the matter only if the offending party has had a chance to defend his point of view or if, being present when summoned, he fails to respond.




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    • Have you seen Demare forcing his way around Katusha guy in the sprint no matter what? Is this negligence to hit the brakes business as usual or a dangerous reckless riding? Any penalties due?




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    • @Pali65

      Demare has done that twice now. I have to believe that if he was not French there would have been penalties. I don’t understand how they can kick Sagan out and not punish Demare for the Tuesday stage. Then he veered off of his line again today.




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    • @Rick

      Today Demare kinda kept his line, but he should have been relegated for cutting off Bouhanni on Tuesday. But he’s French and this is Le Tour. Patriotisme!




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    • http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a-statement-from-cyclingnews-contributor-philippa-york/

      Chapeau to Phillipa and all the best. And let me be one of the first to say “fuck off” to the inevitable haters who are about to crawl out from under their rocks. Even in 2017, it takes a lot of courage for a high profile person (particularly a former sportsman) to come out in this way. Good luck and best wishes with your new life.




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    • I hope we don’t see any haters around here, wiscot. One thing I find pleasant about cycling is that the fans/participants seem to be a bit more educated and open-minded than the average American ball sports fan.

      With the scary political, environmental, and economic situations going on around the world, my need to care about personal choices of individuals is so far down on the list of things I think we need to be discussing. I really don’t care what bathroom someone wants to use when we have a moron potentially provoking nuclear war.




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    • @Ron @wiscot I’m sure there’ll be haters but hopefully not here.

      The abuse Cav and his family have received suggests it’ll be inevitable. I hope not.

      @Phillipa York Chapeau and all the best. I still look forwards to your columns.




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    • @RobSandy

      Even with his whole team he’ll never catch up. Not now they’ve lifted the road closures.




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    • @chris

      Indeed. For all the fun we have at our own and each other’s expense around here, I like to think we keep things a bit more mature than some other sites that invite postings/comments.

      I’ll be very, very disappointed if we get any Pippa haters on here.




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    • @chris

      I understand correctly he left for Monaco with his wife? He might not want to come back.




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    • @chris

      Arrr, tis be a joke you scurvy sea-dog!




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    • @RobSandy

      You need to change your username and icon thingy if you’re going to carry on with this piracy malarkey.

      Although I’m not sure how you’d keep it cycling themed. @Seaman Sandy’s Scratchy Chamois?




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    • @ChrisO

      I’m sure Cycling Weekly would have preferred the name Robert Millar to be used, purely for promotional purposes.

      Obviously I have no direct experience but I’d imagine a transition of this kind is much more of a ‘whole life change’ than getting married, so any link to the previous part of one’s life (even if just by a name) probably feels like a negative one.

      I don’t know but I can see why Phillipa has made this choice.

      On another, related note, I remember reading rumours about this a long time ago. Hopefully Phillipa has an easier and happier time now it’s been made completely public. I think she’s been very brave, it’s clearly not a decision that’s been made lightly and I wish her all the best (but I will continue to remember her days as a badass racing cyclist with fondness).




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    • @chris

      May I suggest Captain Pugwash?




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    • @Randy C

      I’ve been thinking that it is relatively easy to conceive a semi soft barrier with a soft landing zone behind that could be uses in the last few hundred meters of potential sprint stages. The idea being that crashes go over the barrier rather than bouncing back into the roadway.

      Would be easy to transport to each day. What is would need is a designate amount of space in a finish area particularly width free of obstruction but that may be no bad thing. The downside is for spectators as you may end up with no spectator space left and the spectacle reduced to F1 with massive run off zones.

      I thought that barriers with projecting feet had been eradicated in the finish zone anyway but seemingly not from the ones the other day.

      It could also be that weird result that the safer you make it the more dangerously the riders ride.




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    • @wiscot

      Roger the Cabin-Boy




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    • @RobSandy

      Aye, aye, Seaman Staines!




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    • @Pali65

      Will be visiting our office in Bratislava coming Tuesday, so I am keen to hear what the sentiment about Sagan is.




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    • I don’t think it would be difficult to design. The sort of heavy padded blocks they have in children’s ballpits or around rugby goalposts for example could presumably be adapted and stacked in a vehicle which could lay them out in stretches pretty quickly. Or could be fitted over the barriers like a sleeve perhaps.

      But I suspect part of the problem is scale and cost. How many sports are there where you need a long continuous barrier which simultaneously separates spectators and protects human bodies impacting at 50-60km/h? I can’t actually think of anything else.




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    • @ChrisO

      Skiing?




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    • Though I’m not sure that drilling holes in the road for the flex-posts and catch netting is necessarily a good idea………




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    • What’s the French for “won it by a baw hair?”

      C’mon ASO, get crazy – give the stage a joint winner. I’m a big Kittel fan but I like Eddy BH too. That would have been sweet to give a joint victory. I don’t think either would have minded and it’s good PR and a nice trivial question for the future.




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    • “Trivia” not “trivial”. D’oh!




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    • @Teocalli

      A really good night out?




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    • @wiscot

      Yeah I thought that too. That was taking technology too far.




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    • @chris

      or @RobScurvy?




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    • @Teocalli

      If ASO can produce a photo with enough resolution to clearly show Kittel as the winner, then fine. Otherwise, it’s a tie. Of course, too bloody late now. Imagine how much fun that would have been to have Der Pompadour and Eddy B on the podium together. It would have been a superb “feel-good” moment for the race, the riders and the fans.




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    • @wiscot

      Come on guys, it wasn’t even that close:

      According to L’Equipe, the Tissot time keepers have calculated Kittel’s winning margin as just 0.0003 of a second or just 6mm in distance considering the speed he was travelling.




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    • @Rick

      The post regarding the time above reminds me of this classic:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4upY8UWrsU




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    • @Rick

      Hadn’t seen that one before! Olympic Hide-and-Seek? Seems as legit as some of the shite that are now recognized as Olympic “sports.”




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    • @wiscot

      Ditto. Brilliant. Who won the tie break?




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    • @Rick

      I concur – on both fronts.




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    • @wiscot

      Then you should be comfortable with this outcome, which Kittel won by almost a full quarter of an inch. ;)

      I read that the camera at the finish line takes 10,000 frames per second. They put that technology to use today.




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    • Kittel is really going well. can he climb well enough to keep the maillot vert all the way to Paris?




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    • also, this year’s sprint finishes are the hairiest i can remember seeing in any grand tour in my lifetime. could the three second rule have backfired? with less pressure on GC contenders, is there a clearer path in the closing kilometers for the various sprint trains to really pour it on?




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    • *three kilometer rule..




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    • @KogaLover

      Be prepared that everbody is a cycling expert in Slovakia nowadays and it is completely certain that Sagan is 100% innocent. But you can show a great insight in our matters when you claim that previous government of Mrs. Radičová (read Raditschova) is to blame. Let me know then how it went… :)




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    • @Cary

      You either were not following Le Tour in the late 80’s/early ’90’s or you have long term memory loss. I do not think that any cyclist or sprinter today can match The Tashkent Terror Abdoujaparov for amazing crashes and crazyarse sprints!

      Dude is still full on sprinting in that first pic, right through the barrier!




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    • @Buck Rogers

      They used to call him Abdu-push-em-off.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nt4x3nuzfQ




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    • @Rick

      Ha! Yup, he is the undisputed Argy-Bargy-Craziest sprinter in the history of cycling!

      Guy was Fucking NUTS! No fear at all!




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Seeing that crash on the Champs still gives me chills.




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    • @Rick

      And the crazy thing about it. as you can see in the vid that you posted, was that he put himself into the barriers! No one was even within a fucking foot of him!

      And as for recent crashes–did you see how Museeuw managed to stay upright even with being totally put into the barriers when Abdu closed the door on him? Cav could learn a bit from him.




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    • Will Damare make it through today – 5 mins out the back and a long way to go……




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    • @Teocalli

      the answer may depend on how close his team car is.




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    • @Rick

      Ha! You beat me to it!!!

      Demare(d) will need another fucking “Cipressa Ride”!




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Abdu was one nutcase among other more rational riders. Bouhanni was knocking people around yesterday at 2km to go while Kreuziger led the peloton at 70kph. we’re a LONG way from Cippolini and Abdujaparov grabbing jerseys here.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Abdu was one nutcase among other more rational riders. Bouhanni was knocking people around yesterday at 2km to go while Kreuziger led the peloton at 70kph. we’re a LONG way from Cippolini and Abdujaparov grabbing jerseys here.

      the second pic is Armentiere in ’94. Abdu didn’t cause that, the cop and Wilfried Nellisen did.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Ha Ha!




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    • @Rick

      @9:55 with 105 Km to go – team car must have broken down too………




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    • @Teocalli

      Wow, even with a generous elimination time he may see zeros on the clock if he makes the finish line today.




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    • @Rick

      @14 mins now with a group including Luke Rowe.




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    • @Teocalli

      From Letour live updates:

      14:36 Démare at fifteen minutes

      Arnaud Démare is sick but he hasn’t pulled out in the feed zone. He’s going on, helped by his team-mates Mickaël Delage and Ignatas Konovalovas. The Frenchman is encouraged a lot by the crowd on the road side. He’ll try to reach Les Rousses in the time cut.




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    • Assuming “sick” means he is allergic to the mountains.




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    • @Rick

      Ha!

      Oh man, I love karma.




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    • So what happens if all the remaining sprinters miss the cut. The commisaires are fucked in terms of the spectacle if they don’t reinstate them and fucked if they do reinstate Demare.




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    • @37 mins at the finish……..




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    • If the limit was 40 minutes, then Juraj Sagan didn’t make it by 30 seconds. Then both brothers out.




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    • @Teocalli

      Wonder how many “sticky-bidons” he had today?




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    • I fell asleep at 90 kilometers to go (it was around midnight here). Just watched a twenty minute highlights cut. Looked to be an exciting race. Now one minute and one second separating top ten in GC.

      Seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZTOdHd_yTs

      As a singer, he makes a fine bike rider.




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    • Correction: “…get your picks in by the time the clock goes to EIGHTzero..”

      Can’t do it. I lived through pharmsrong and qui tam Landis. They ripped out my heart, and tossed on the Champs. I have a rock on my desk that came from the famed final circuits. I can’t do it anymore.

      I was young and carefree.




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    • @eightzero

      Time to move on.




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    • @eightzero

      I feel your pain.

      I’ve made the analogy before that being a cycling fan is like having a loved one that is addicted to heroin. You hate that aspect about them but you love them anyways. Sometimes you do just have to walk away from them forever but I have not yet reached that point. I think that there can be no doubt that there is still doping going on in some form, but I still love my dope-addicted sport.

      And on the bright side, Demare(d) is already dropped on today’s stage!




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    • Chapeau to Demare as he is struggling on today but looking like it could be the last as he is well out of the back well before the big climbs start.




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    • Wet descent after first climb. Thomas crashed. Movistar down another rider from crash / retirement at the same point in the breakaway. Froome delayed by Thomas crash by the looks of things and a little way back from Aru and main part of Sky train but all coming back together.




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    • Arada may be up and still in from Movistar. Thomas also reported to be moving again.




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    • This is compelling racing today. Great descent for Bardet and also up front for AG2R. Heart break for Thomas. Dang…

      Also, watching start of stage 8 yesterday and was discussion the on the barriers on sprint stages and in particular Greipel’s thoughts on needing to prevent the spectators from hanging over the edges. Apparently he’s been clipping spectators and discussion was need a buffer zone of sorts.

      The bike/kit combo of AG2R is something I can grow to appreciate.

      Cheers all




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    • Thomas out.




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    • @Randy C

      It can’t be hard to come up with something like this that could be made stable and wide enough so that spectators could not hang over it and with tie-downs to make secure. It could also have link flaps to prevent riders getting between them.




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    • @Randy C

      Good man for coming around on the AG2R kit. Too many around here have unfathomable taste in pro kit (to wit, the love shown to Mapei) while classics like Atala get dissed!




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    • Well played by everyone except Aru.

      Replays showing Froome raising his hand for a mechanical and then Aru, who is behind Froome, immediately attacks.

      Aru pushes the pace, the other contenders follow him but refuse to come through. Aru got mad and tried to get the others to pull through but they would not and now all back together again.

      Well played all (except Aru, of course). One of the reasons I so love this sport!




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    • Porte looks really bad….hope he is ok.




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    • Shit. Terrible crash for Porte…….




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    • Following this on updates. Sounds like a stage for the ages and it isn’t even over yet! Gutted for Geraint and Richie.




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    • @wiscot

      Porte went offload on the inside of a bend, flew off the bike, took out Martin as he tumbled across the road and hit the rock wall upside down and back first. Horrible.




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    • Wow! That stage had a bit of everything.




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    • @wiscot

      Fucking amazing stage! So awful for GT and Porte. Still waiting updates on them.

      And fucking awful for Martin as he was right in there and got wiped out by a flying Porte.

      Ended up losing over a minute through a crash of no fault of his own.




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    • Ohhhhhhh! Heartbreak for Barguil!

      Uhhhg.




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    • Hard to believe Richie just missed that corner following wheels. Any chances Martin got hung up with him from behind going in to the corner ? Just all looked squirrley and terrible tumble.

      “One gear Uran” ?!? A faulty Di2 by chance ? That be a mechanical ? Or electrical ?

      Aru: so very uncool. So, so, so very…

      The Giro/TdF double is just not in the cards nowadays hey?




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    • @Randy C

      A replay showed Martin’s foot hitting Uran’s rear mech during the Porte crash.




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    • @Rick

      Bent derailleur or maybe popped wire ? Did the strike cause need for crash mode reset ? Maybe he wasn’t even on Di2 ?




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    • Kudos to Froome. He attacked on the Mont du Chat and took his turns at the front on the run in to the finish. Froome has done the leader’s jersey proud the last two years by riding like a true champion.

      Chapeau Monsieur Froome.




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    • If Froome goes on to win I’m sure people will complain about the Sky train and Froome’s boring style etc etc. All I’ll say is if you watch that stage and boredom is still the prevailing feeling then cycling just isn’t for you.




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    • @Randy C

      Vaughters said he thought it may have been a popped wire but he wasn’t sure yet. Chapeau to the Mavic mechanic who put him in the 11 knowing it was a relatively flat finish. Uran had two choices 53×11 and 39×11. I think Cannondale owes that mechanic some champagne tonight.




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    • @Randy C

      Initial reports from the tour Dr was that Porte is “ok” but under observation at hospital & undergoing x-rays. He was conscious the whole time & said he’d had to brake to avoid the rider ahead of him.




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    • Only 125 riders finished within in the time limit today Lets see What the jury does #TDF2017




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    • Update:

      1m

      #TDF2017 – Official: 181 riders are in time limit




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Yes indeed! How crazy was it for an epic stage like that to come down to what amounts to a photo finish? Barguil was justifiably upset.

      Lots of swaps on the cards for tomorrow I think . . .




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    • @wiscot

      Not for those of us with integrity and honour! (insert smiley/snarky face here!)




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    • @Randy C

      Aru – early nominee for the Anti-V Award of the Year. Not least for being so visibly upset when the others reigned him.

      Quintana just hasn’t seemed on the ball this year.




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    • @Teocalli

      Aru has apparently said he didn’t know Froome had a problem. Despite having to duck under his raised arm while initiating his attack.




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    • @Geraint

      Well, I guess Aru is pretty small, even by the standards of small riders so I guess he could have thought Froome was being polite and giving him a route through………..




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    • I dubbed Porte as POSH (Porte out starboard home) not knowing how prophetic that nickname would be. Too bad.

      Today’s restday swap, no? So want to keep Froome in 1st place; swap out Porte for Aru (2nd), Quintana for Bardet (3rd), Contador for Uran (4th) and Fuglsang for Dan Martin (5th), but doing so would cost me 80 points if I am not mistaken which means I will be in the negative even before the Vuelta starts, so I will give up with a clean spinal fracture, like Robert Gesing and expect next year’s TdF will be better.




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    • @KogaLover

      I’ve had a look at it and you have to be very lucky to end up in credit from a rest day swap. Which I think is intentional. 3 of my 5 are either out of the Tour or out of contention, however. But it still might not be worth making any swaps.

      Aru for Porte might work – it’d cost me 5 but might make me an additional 5 if Aru drops to 3rd.




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    • @KogaLover

      I think it’s the best approach. Frank hasn’t opened the swaps so it’s a moot point anyway.




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    • Anybody else find it strange that Froome’s tiny mechanical (not puncture) issues always seem to happen right at a critical point of a major climb? If Aru had crashed when Froome shouldered him, would Froome have been ejected from the Tour like Sagan?




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    • @Rick

      @Rick

      WHY did the others not force Froome to do all the work to the finish? They had nothing to gain by chasing down Bardet. That was Froome’s chase to make to keep yellow from Bardet.




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    • @VbyV

      Maybe they were all just racing Bardet for second place?




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    • @VbyV

      Just to be devil’s advocate here, a crash is a crash, a puncture is a puncture. Neither can be predicted or avoided – if they could be, they wouldn’t happen. But a mechanical? Some might argue that a well set-up bike should function fine barring a situation such as a rear mech getting dinged in a crash (like what happened to Duran Duran) As bikes get more and more technologically advanced, and therefore more susceptible to malfunction, at what point (as I said barring a Uran situ) does a mechanical malfunction qualify a rider to call or expect a ceasefire? Surely it behooves a team to send out their riders on the most reliable equipment just as they send them out properly nourished and rested. Would it be acceptable for a rider to declare “I didn’t sleep last night” or I’ve got the shits this morning, so if you’d all take it easy until I feel better, I’d appreciate it.”

      As I say, just being the devil’s advocate here, but as I’ve said before, you can’t run a race along the lines of “if everyone is feeling top-notch, let’s race, otherwise, let’s take it easy.”




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    • @VbyV

      Because save Aru, they were all going for the stage win. Also, all Froome had to do was shadow Aru. The only thing on offer for Froome were bonus seconds and they were only really important if Aru got them and Froome got none.




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    • Somethings gone amuck with the rest day swaps code. I’ll see if I can get them working in time, but worst case is that no one swaps, which is not a terrible worst case…




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    • @frank

      This is obviously the Will of the Velominati Gods!

      Merckx himself must have visited the site, saw the “Rest Day Swap” bullshit and decreed that it must stop now!

      (either that or there is a glitch in the matrix???)




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    • @Buck Rogers

      A-Merckx, brother.




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    • @Rick

      Note sure that mixing 11% of a single climb with 1% of the total duration of the TdF is a valid comparison. Smacks of a case of there being lies, damn lies and statistics! (Insert random punctuation of choice).




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    • @Rick

      So then why didn’t Froome just sit on Aru’s wheel?




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Wouldn’t have anything to do with you sitting on a Royal Flush would it?




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    • @VbyV

      Because save Aru, they were all going for the stage win.




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    • @VbyV

      You may (or may not) have noticed that it was Froome that encouraged everyone to rotate to set up the chase.




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    • @VbyV

      What makes me think you are fundamentally anti Froome vs enjoying the TdF with an open mind?




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    • @Teocalli

      So then why did Aru and his teammate Fuglsang help? They were 50% of the chase group since Barguil was sitting on.




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    • @VbyV

      You missed my sarcasm in reposting part of the previous post. How the heck would I know what they were thinking beyond all wanting the stage win or when one decided they wanted it the others could not afford to lose time. If it was 100% predictable and logical there would not be much point in watching?




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    • @Teocalli

      I don’t mind if Froome wins. I just don’t get the tactics of Astana at the finish. Also I find it boring watching the Sky train crush everyone, so anything that makes for more competition is a good thing in my mind.




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    • @Teocalli

      This is smart tactics by Froome. He had the most to lose letting Bardet get the stage and time on him. At least in my mind. That’s why I was so confused that Astana didn’t come up with a better plan to take some time, especially as they had 2 riders in the small group.




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    • @VbyV

      For me the tactics would be for Fuglsang to attack the group, Aru forces Froome to chase, then once Froome catches Fuglsang, Aru attacks and gets away for the stage win.

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      I would admit that Movistar tactics seem to be a bit haphazard over the years. Queue Valverde’s “support” for Quintana (not just this TdF). Though with Fulgsang’s deficit not sure Froome would necessarily feel the need to cover him. I think Froome just saw the chance of the stage for himself if he could get the group chasing.




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    • @Teocalli

      Not doing that at all. I am merely pointing out that with final places being decided by a fraction of 1% of total ride time neutralizing the toughest climb for a significant time would benefit the leader.

      Put another way, how much time could be gained or lost on a 10.3% gradient in a kilometer? How much if that kilometer was 14-15% (which parts of the climb are).




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    • @Rick

      So if the other contenders think that they should actually stop and wait, thereby neutralising the neutralisation?




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    • @Teocalli

      Sorry if it wasn’t clear. The other riders waiting IS the neutralization.




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    • @Teocalli

      Fuglsang is only 1:37 down in 5th place. But I see your point.




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    • Crazy times, crazy race. I’m hoping Dan Martin will recover today and show that he has podium form. He has nothing to lose at this point but to attack. Maybe he and Aru can go for it? Quintana could surprise and Bertie has nothing to lose but his pride in what looks like he last Tour. The Fat Lady is still in her dressing room and is just getting warmed up!




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    • @wiscot

      I think Danny Boy has shown that he has podium stuff. If not for yesterday’s crash he would presumably be sitting in a podium position. Of all of the climbers on the Cat, I though he looked the best.




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    • Frank: Some of us Porte fans are hoping for rest day swaps??




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    • There are tactical uses of the time-out as well. If your opponent has momentum, you call time-out to break their rhythm. Shitty, but smart tactically. Happens all the time in tennis, football (both kinds), etc.




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    • @wiscot

      So hoping that Danny Boy makes back his 1:15 loss. He would be in 3rd if he finished with the lead group and not with Quintana’s group. Really warmed to Martin this year. He’s probably my most liked rider right now.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      And I think Dan M is also smart enough to know that with Froome and Sky’s depth and ability, waiting for them to have an off day is not a reasonable strategy. Sure Quintana, Aru, Bertie and even Bardet would be willing accomplices in an adventure?




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    • @dancollins

      Doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. Fingers crossed for second rest day swaps, I guess.




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    • @stooge

      Do we just post our swaps and hope they get updated?




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    • ‘lil shout out for The Hardmen in stage 9’s Backstage Pass




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    • @Mikael Liddy

      Great inclusion – that Paris-Roubaix win was the epitome of Hard (not to mention the other decade and a half of bossing it around the globe).




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    • @Canucklehead

      Picks won’t be recorded anywhere whilst modification is closed, and nobody is going to do it manually. It looks like the best we can hope for is for 2nd rest day swaps to be open when the time comes.

      Maybe someone could get the word the Keepers…




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    • @Rick

      The neutralisation probably also benefited anyone in that group who was blowing at the time, and on form that wasn’t Froome.




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    • @stooge

      You could just not worry about it. Rest Day Swaps wont win you the TDF or the VSP.




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    • Offredo is a maniac but I’m liking it! Maybe the only thing crazier than getting in a 2 man break with the Panzerwagon is with a neo pro…




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    • @RobSandy

      Don’t know what gave you the impression that I am worried. Mainly I was answering a question. My point about alerting the powers that be is that this is a trend, and it is worth halting. Somebody that could otherwise podium might not because if it. You don’t change the rules halfway into a game.

      You could just stop worrying about what other people might be worried about.




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    • So…no rest day swaps for VSP?




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    • @RobSandy

      I get that the site is run by (awesome) guys that do it for the love of it. In fact, I said pretty much the same things when a bunch of folks were in tears about it during the Giro. Alert doesn’t mean reprimand. You could have just said Frank has already posted on it..

      Lol. Again, I’m not worried. But, you go ahead and worry your little head. It’s okay, some of my friends are SJWs – I know it can be tough on those guys to not stick their noses in, so I don’t worry about it.




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    • @BacklashJack

      Good point about “just putting his hand up”.

      “.. What I didn’t understand is that everyone else followed and then stopped,” . That’s the most obvious part, isn’t it? They couldn’t just let him ride away.




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    • @stooge

      I don’t 100% disagree. I certainly think if the attack was already on and anyone had a mechanical at the back of the group, tough shit.

      However, Aru attacked when Froome was asking for a bike change, deliberately. I still think that’s bad form.

      The GC favourites should have just let Aru ride away a bit then chased him down as a group once Froome was back with them.




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    • @RobSandy

      How are they to know that’s what the hand is about? Could just be that he’s going hunger flat/thirsty & needs topping up from the car, in which case it’s the perfect time to attack. Not like Richie was going to take an illegal feed for him this year…




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    • @RobSandy

      I don’t know what Aru was thinking. LeMond thinks he didn’t mean to attack on a mechanical. Aru says he didn’t (but what Aru and Froome say can be taken with a grain of salt – they’re going to be diplomatic. It looked bad.

      The GC favourites had no way of knowing how long it would be. They couldn’t risk Aru summiting long before them. Going after and catching him, but refusing to keep the pace, seemed pretty sensible. Anyway, same result, more or less.




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    • @stooge

      Hopefully there’s some good racing in the mountains to come so we can stop talking about it – I don’t see it was a big deal either way.

      It’s also distracted somewhat from Quintana’s complete no-show at this Tour.




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    • @RobSandy

      It’s not a big deal. I suppose it reinforces expectations, or something. Also, rest days and stages comprised of 180 kilometers or yawning followed by 20 kilometers of racing (if lucky) makes it hard to keep people tuned in. Media has to talk about something. A bit of etiquette drama helps with that.

      Quintana looks tired, huh. I suspect several long, flat, windy stages can be tough for the small guys, as several hill stages are for the big guns. He often comes good toward the end. Maybe the rest days and a bit of lumpy stuff will perk him up? It’s a big gap, but it’s a long race (not a course that would’ve suited him well even in top form, is the problem with it).




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    • @BacklashJack

      Especially agreed with this point.

      The American was also very critical of Froome as he witnessed the three-times champion fiddling with his on-board computer on his new bike before making it back to the front group.

      “It’s so bizarre to see him change his bike and then touch his computer. The main point is ‘get on your bike, get back to the front’,” said LeMond.”

      I was watching the live feed and I see Froomie take his new bike while the race is going away from him and what the fuck does he do? He fucks around with his power meter.

      Holy Merckx on Mount Velo I just about punched my computer! Lost a bit more respect for him right then and there (not that he gives a shit but what a fucking powermeter-addicted-tit!)

      (also not sure why my cut&paste is all in HUGE font–maybe b/c it was quoting LeMan???)




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    • @Buck Rogers

      And then when it actually posts–the font is all the same. Fuck! I need a drink!




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    • I am not sure how many of my fellow Velominati are in the Twittersphere. For those of you who are, I am posting the link to David Buonomo’s account. David is also known as DADOU and is a French sports cartoonist. For those of you who have viewed the Tour within French borders will be familiar with his work. French TV regularly cuts to DADOU drawings, which are constructed while the race unfolds. The humor and speed with which the drawings are posted are fantastic.

      Link: https://twitter.com/davidbuonomo

      I hope these drawings bring an occasional cycling related smile to each of you.




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    • Sorry, thought I put in the link: https://twitter.com/davidbuonomo




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    • @Buck Rogers

      I noticed Quintana do the same when he changed bikes.




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    • @Rick

      Really great! He’s not the same guy who did the cartoons for Rouleur that were on the cover one time, is he?

      Doesn’t look exactly the same but they are similar.




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    • Surprised there’s not more love for Uran in here. Winning the queen stage of the TdF on a bike stuck in the tallest gear is pretty legendary stuff. Mad props.




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    • @John Irvine

      I guess it got lost in all the drama.

      I kept think “he’s gonna gas soon, surely” and he just kept on trucking. Did his fair share of pulling, too. Legs of steel! He was pretty casual in the post race interview to boot.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      He very well could have been. Everyone on my group ride to the Tour a few years ago was talking about the funny cartoons on the broadcast. I have been following him on twitter to get the cartoons live. I plug the captions into the Google translator for the English version.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Give ’em all old school Avocet computers I say! Speed, distance, time, average speed. What more do you fuckin’ want?

      I think the situation as described by LeMond hits squarely at the lack of passion many fans feel for Froome. He’s just too calculating and addicted to his damn powermeter. He’s a scenario, what if his bloody computer went on the blink mid stage. Could that be considered a “mechanical”? “Steady up lads, I need to switch bikes, my powermeter just crapped out and I need to make sure my ride’s registering on Strava!”

      I think not. Busted derailleur, puncture, broken spokes, those are mechanicals. No working bike computer is tough shit.




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    • i think the peloton does a pretty good job regulating itself. if the riders feel like they need to slow down for some reason, they do it. if they don’t, they don’t. any time people try to impose the black-and-white rule of law on gray areas such as this, it always backfires with many unforseen negative consequences. leave them all alone, and let them race, i say.




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    • @BacklashJack

      I think part of the issue too is that bikes are so hi-tech now, that mechanicals are more common. In the days of The Prophet, it was a steel frame, full Campag groupset, 32 spoke wheels and maybe a six or 7 speed block. Really not much that could be described as fragile. Today’s bikes, I’d suggest are more fragile, especially when you get into electronic shifting.This was the case with bikes pros rode though basically the 80s – bomb proof. Today, not so much.On the flip side, tires and roads are better so fewer punctures than in the past.

      Oh, and Merckx used a V Meter. No batteries required!




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    • i like Strava. i turn the app on, shove the phone in my jersey, and don’t look at it or otherwise even consider it until my ride is over. one thing that initially attracted me to the Rules book, is the reverence for the RIDE. all that stuff: quiet bike. as little as possible between the rider and the experience.

      i do get my ass handed to me on group rides all the time by 25 and 30 year old riders with carbon bikes and power meters, but, that’s what i call efficiency! they do all the work, and i get the workout just by staying in the group! lol

      a 50-80km ride at 30-35kph is what i call a win nowadays, so there’s that for perspective..

      i’ve been accused of being too nostalgic, but i’m happy.




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    • @Pali65

      They loved it! Thanks for your witty wisdom, cheers mate!




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    • @litvi

      I think Teocalli was saying that Quintana fiddled with his computer when changing bikes. But I think Quintana also went along with Aru’s attacks. Hmm. Movistar and Bahrain-Merida attacking when the race leader is having a non-racing problem…sounds familiar.




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    • @RobSandy

      Yes – I was referring to sorting out his computer before chasing back on. Quintana had stuffed it up his jersey so the first thing he did when he got going was to fish it out and fix it on the bar mount then sync it up.

      A sign of the times I guess.




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    • @Teocalli

      Computers, “syncing it up”, powermeters, wattage. What is this madness? Can’t we just have a bloody bike race where you race how you feel? Bernard Hinault said (and I may paraphrase here) “As long as I breathe, I attack.” He certainly didn’t say, I’ll attack within the perameters dictated to me by my carefully calibrated powermeter.”




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    • @wiscot

      I think it was Boardman on the ITV highlights the other night who described how track riders are allowed to fit a bike computer somewhere on their bike to capture data, but aren’t allowed to look at it during the race, and went on to suggest the same thing is brought in for road racing. Might liven things up.

      Oh, and no race radios either.

      And you kids, get the fuck off my lawn.




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    • Breakaway caught, Kittel wins……yawn.

      Am I the only one that thinks Quickstep and Sky must be laughing their asses off as everyone else chases?




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    • Aru and Quintana fast running out of supporting team for the mountains. Cataldo out for Astana today in the feed station crash.




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    • @Rick

      Yeah, it would have been fun for all the other sprinter teams to sit back and say to EQS, you want the stage win? You chase Bodnar down. We’ll just roll along here.

      Nice to see Danny Martin in some all yellow shoes instead of the yellow and black things he was wearing, so at least there was one positive to the day!

      Would Sagan and Cav been good enough to beat Kittel? I doubt it.




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    • @wiscot

      Kittel is obviously the fastest individual on the planet right now, but it doesn’t mean Cav and Sagan wouldn’t have beaten him. Everything changes with them in – the lead out trains, the composition of those trains, the intermediate sprints, especially for Sagan when it’s a bit lumpy.

      Exciting times ahead for sprint fans I think, with Gaviria, Kittel, Ewan, and other fast younguns with still years to peak. It’s a pity Viviani didn’t get a ride here.




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    • Sagan won one stage after all… The question is if his “second places” would be enough for green jersey with the points from stages where Kittel would stay behind due mountains which wouldn’t deter Sagan from fighting for the win.




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    • @stooge

      Kittel could have a tour for the ages… 6,7, even 8 stages ??? And 2017 will still possibly be remembered not for his performance but instead remembered as Le Tour that Sagan was wrongly bounced from.




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    • @RobSandy

      That’s ridiculous. How can they control their secret motors without “bike computers”?




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    • @Harminator

      Ha! For the win!




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    • @Harminator

      Oh come on! Everyone knows Froome’s bike motor is controlled by Sir Dave Brailsford in the team car. It’s a wee black box with a dial on it with power markings that go up to 11. When Aru attacked, Davy-boy was changing the batteries. Those AA alkaline ones don’t last more than a stage or two.




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    • @Pali65

      Yes. We’ll never know, of course, but you can add to his second places a bunch of points he probably would have went for and picked up outside of final sprints. Next year…




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    • @Randy

      Quite a prospect, isn’t it. He might go close to the record.The high number of pure sprinter’s finishes has certainly helped. Still, so very clearly the fastest. As you say, anything less than total dominance by the green jersey winner will have been remembered as ”… won the green the year Sagan was DQd”. Surely six plus wins would do much to counter that.

      I didn’t realise he’s 29 years old. At a guess, I’d had said he was younger than Viviani, who I know is 28 only because he shares a birthday with a friend. Must be that baby face..




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    • @stooge

      Would Sagan beat Kittel in a pure drag race? I don’t think so. And the Slovak would have to rack up a shit load of points in the minor placings and intermediates to counter Kittel’s wins. Then add into the mix that Kittel would know Sagan was going for the intermediates and I think we’d have had a battle royale. I’d like to see Kittel win 7 or 8. My only beef is that I wish they’d declared a tie with Eddy BH.




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    • Steve Cummings for the win today. Go Steve!




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    • GO BIG STEVIE! GO!




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    • @wiscot

      Hope he has the right Bike Computer fixed……………




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    • @Teocalli

      I bet he’s not looking at it. SteVe rides on pure unrefined V.

      What a guy.




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    • @RobSandy

      Ref #485……….above………




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    • @Teocalli

      Yeah, I got that reference. Tres hilare.

      Just caught up in a bit of Cummings love.

      Err, that sounds gross.




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    • @wiscot

      I don’t think anyone said Sagan would beat Kittel in a pure sprint, did they?The sprint final points as they are, you’re right – Sagan would have to have a sit load of minor placings and intermediates to equal Kittel or better him. He’d already won a stage, though. And there are stages coming up in which Sagan would have a better chance of winning the final and the intermediate than Kittel would. Also, I stand by my main point – with Sagan and Cav still in the race (Demare, too), it’s altogether different – the trains, the composition, basically the sprint as a whole.

      You say Sagan would need a shitload of minor placings and intermediates to counter the wins, yet that if Kittel wa aware of this that we’d have a battle royal. It’s all a bit inconsistent…

      In any case, it is backward speculation, which is a worse kind of speculation than forward, both being not particularly constructive.




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    • Good god, Landa might as well be reading a book, looks so damn calm and relaxed.

      And damn, that Aru jersey looks slick!




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    • Well the last 2 minutes were exciting. Not too different from a sprint stage in that regard. But good on Aru for lighting it up, and Bardet, Uran and Martin to pile on. Froome may well take it, but will he win a stage?




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    • Dang I’m working on site all this week till tonight and only got the ticker feed but I thought Froome was 18 secs up on Aru yesterday so 7 secs down today with 4 bonus secs for Aru ……. what did I miss for Aru to be 6 secs clear in Yellow…………..




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    • Ahh he lost 22 secs the ticker I have is wrong…………




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    • For those keeping score at home, Aru lost 40 seconds to Froome in the opening TT.




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    • Surely there could not be a double standard favoring the French. Demare clearly deviated from his line in Stage 4. While Sagan was booted, Demare escaped punishment and took the stage. Bouhanni punches a Quickstep rider and gets a laughable punishment. Now, three riders take water bottles and two get 20-second penalties. Bardet clearly accepts a bottle but receives no sanction.

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-tour-shouldnt-come-down-to-water-bottles-and-incompetence/




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    • @Rick

      Alas, the home team (riders) tend to get passes on some things. A little light reading on the Giro and Vuelta will show the same thing. C’est la vie du Tour!




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    • @wiscot

      They’re still pissed that the Italian’s stole Fignon’s Giro in ’84 and gave it to Moser (Talk about a Grand Tour favouring one of their own–probably the worst abuse in this sort in my lifetime).




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    • Well the end of that stage has really put the shit amongst the pigeons.

      Race on. Bardet for the stage win today.




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    • @RobSandy

      Certainly could have livened things up.




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    • Just noticed that the stage today follows a route I rode when on holiday last May – the bit from near the Col d’Agnes down to Massat, then they climb up part of the Col de Porte but turn off up a super-steep bit of road.

      Looking forwards to seeing it on tellybox!




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    • Aru – cool as a cucumber today.




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    • @stooge

      Ging to be tough when he becomes isolated so easily. Getting to be a lot of people he can’t ignore. Landa coming into the frame sets things up interestingly. Could be a good 3rd week for a change.




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    • @Ron

      I was thinking the same thing. While everyone else was humping light bulbs and inhaling wasps, Landa was putting on a master class how to pedal with a magnificent stroke.




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    • Oh man… just watched the stage and what a great last 10k or so. And up till then was Sunweb, BMC, Sunweb, BMC… all for obvious reason and then wha la… the Sky Train up front and Astana / Aru ??? Oooops… Great teamwork by Sky Train.

      So, we have a brutal, brutal uphill sprint finish with Bling, GVA, EBH and Gilbert ! Could it get better ??? Yes of course, there coulda been the World Champ in the mix. But just watching those dudes come around the corner and start their sprint from so far back you just know they had to be feeling much pain near the top to mash it up the hill from so far back.

      That was fun to watch for sure. Cheers all




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    • C’mon the Whale Shark! All the way!

      Another mechanical for Froome? Sounds like Sky need some new mechanics. I don’t know of anyone else who has so many mechanicals – and at such critical times . . .




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    • @wiscot

      Puncture seemingly – tough to name on the mechanics.




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    • newfound respect for Dan Martin




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    • @BaltoSteve

      Pure fucking Class Act! He is my new favorite rider hands down.

      Here’s his quote at the finish today: Reporter says–You would be in yellow if not for that stage 9 crash. Martin replies: It’s all ‘What if’, you know? I might have been in yellow and then lost five minutes because everyone attacks the hell out of me. The situation is the situation, and we’re always going to wonder ‘What if?’ but this is the hand we’ve been dealt. Maybe all these seconds I’ve been picking up, they would never have let me go.”

      No excuses. Racing day to day. Man I hope that he can make the podium but not too sure how he time trials compared to the others (I know he is no Froomie but not sure about compared to Aru, Bardet and Uran).




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    • @Teocalli

      Comment was posted in haste when I heard he had a “wheel problem.” Apologies.




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    • @wiscot

      On the highlights Froome did say he had a wheel problem – so you were not wrong.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Love Martin’s pluck. He can hardly stand up straight and is taking it to the best riders on the planet.

      However, I can’t figure out why no one is talking about Uran.




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    • Movistar is not having a good Tour. Valverde out early, and for all practical purposes, Quintana out now, too.




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    • @Teocalli

      Yeah, to me “wheel problem” and puncture are two different things!

      BTW, did Bauke not look completely awesome today? I like the clean look of the Trek kit and the red shoes were a fantastic choice. 100% rooting for Dan Martin, but style-wise, it’s just not there, is it?




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    • @wiscot

      Broken spoke

      Looked great, totally happy for the guy to take a stage win (apparently he’s one of the nicest guys in the pro peloton too), but his style is awkward and choppy. But, seems to be the way these days, so many super strong guys who look like they are fighting the bike (Froome, Mollema, D Martin).



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    • @sthilzy

      How much more crappier my picks can get?! http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/tour-de-france/quintana-on-dismal-tour-this-is-a-big-blow-for-everyone_443899

      Rest day swaps?

      Eddy Merckx

      Bernard Hinault

      Miguel Indurain

      Philippe Thys

      Greg LeMond




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    • @sthilzy

      No swaps!

      I’m quite happy for the standings to say exactly as they are, maybe with Bardet moving up to 2nd. Wouldn’t mind Contador sneaking into the top 5 either…




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    • @sthilzy

      I think even substituting those names, you’d still score more points than me!




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    • The green jersey competition is great – looks like it could be decided in Paris. But I fear it may bode ill for Dan Martin’s podium chances. The team can’t work for Kittel and him.




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    • Rick replied 1 month ago

      @John Irvine

      Dan may have doomed his own podium chances today by being caught out.




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    • @Rick

      True, but I think he may see himself in a position to do something over the next few days. From what I’ve read, 6th or 7th mean as much to Dan as 60th or 70th. I think he wants on that podium.




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    • Rick replied 1 month ago

      @wiscot

      I hope you are right, I am really rooting for him. I thought that I read that he felt ill on the rest day. Something seems to be going through the Quickstep team. I don’t think Kittel was feeling well today either.




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    • @Rick

      Agreed. Today should have been a good day for EQS, but something wasn’t right. Hopefully they got their “bad” day out of the way . . .




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    • @RobSandy

      Hmm…I love it when a plan comes together!




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    • Rick replied 1 month ago

      @wiscot

      Danny Boy is in great form but he is tactically challenged.




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    • Oooh. How hungry is Duran Duran? As hungry as a wolf? Go for it wee man! Bardet too.

      Bummed for Kittel. I’m sure Matthews wanted green, but not this way – it was shaping up nicely for a showdown in Paris.




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    • @Cary

      @stooge

      Cool or a tool.. Just kidding of course..




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    • Even though red is not my color, Bauke looked awesome yesterday! What a win!!




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    • If only the Lotto Jumbo kit was as cool as the Bianchi bikes they ride . . . awful looking kit.

      Damn, wouldn’t it be fine to see Uran and Drapac-Cannondale win?




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    • Rick replied 1 month ago

      @wiscot

      I like these better than the yellow kits of years past. The only reason is the black jerseys make it easy to pick out the GC leader’s yellow jersey again.

      I think it would be great to see Uran and C-D win. For what it is worth, they have my favorite kit in the peloton.




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    • @Rick

      I don’t think Uran has done enough to deservingly win. Bardet accused him of sitting in the wheels yesterday, and I think he had a point. Uran certainly didn’t deny it.

      I’d personally be very pleased to see Bardet win. I think him and Dan Martin have been the most aggressive riders so far.

      I almost felt sorry for Aru yesterday, each time he bridged back up to the lead group Bardet or Martin had another pop off the front and dropped him again.




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    • Anyone watching the La Course stage? Queen Lizzie looking regal on the front with 6km to go.




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    • @LeoTea

      Following the live text. Lizzie and Van Vleuten smashing it.




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    • Great result for AVV after the Olympics. Lizzie was looking good on tempo but just couldn’t make the acceleration.




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    • @Randy C

      Yeah, totally agree. He didn’t seem to have his mountain legs on in Week 1 – he just about hung on. He’s looking as strong as the rest of the GC group but not stronger. It’s partially why I’m rooting for Bardet.

      Far less dominance than before. I think he could be attacked and be put under a lot of pressure today.

      OR, he’s been saving it for this stage and is going to go for the win. I can’t see him being satisfied with doing ‘just enough’ to win via the TT on Saturday, I think he’d like to put the race to be today.

      We shall see very soon!




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    • Boring versus not boring. Enough. Can I just give a shout out to Thomas de Gent an Tiesj Benoot? These guys have been working their asses of in break after break. Chapeau to both.

      Oh, and all the “Froome will win on Friday in the TT.” talk. Tony Martin might take exception to that as he’s not been doing nearly as much work at Froome the past few days. Of course, I’m well aware that it’s not about who wins the stage but the time gaps. Mind you, 24kms is pretty stingy . . .




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    • @wiscot

      I took that comment by @RobSandy to suggest Froome would win the overall on TT day, not take the stage win. Lucky for us, the time gaps of the leaders is pretty small, otherwise 24km wouldn’t be very interesting. I would love to see Tony Martin crush everyone, regardless of the podium fight.




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    • @MangoDave

      I know, but Froome will certainly be trying to win as he hasn’t won a stage of this Tour – yet and that’s his last, best opportunity.

      Yup, the see the Whale Shark in full flight would bea marvelous sight to see, but 24kms is hardly enough to really start drooling.




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    • @wiscot

      Yep, I meant that Froome would try and go for the stage win yesterday on D’Izoard.

      Chapeau to Uran for closing that gap, Froome was flying. And further chapeau to Uran for likely finishing 2nd in the Tour, potentially winning the thing, without putting in a single attack that wasn’t in the last 10m of a stage.

      On a more positive note, I was thrilled for Warren Barguil yesterday, what a ride.




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    • @RobSandy

      I have to say I’m very happy that Bardet and Barguil are doing so well. They both ride in a positive way and I think in Bardet, the French actually have a potential Tour winner. AG2R have ridden a fine race. Sunweb have to be happy campers too: A giro win and two of the Tour’s main classifications in one season. Uran? Maybe a bit more aggressive would have been nice, but a GT podium finish is a GT podium finish.




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    • Damn! Who knew a careful reading of the race manual could pay such big dividends? Kudos to EBH for being alert, smart and in the right place at the right time. A very well-deserved win for the Norwegian.




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    • @wiscot

      Fuck it! I had a nice beer & high fat snack going down in anticipation of a deluxe flame rouge finale and then there was that fkn roundabout and the clear picture from the chopper…Was really hoping Keukeleire would get a run at it. Matt White needs to cop that one. Big missed opportunity.




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    • Cary replied 1 month ago

      what if Romain Bardet can win the TT? he’s beaten Froome before, in the 2015 Tour de Romandie. wouldn’t that be something! this race does not lack for drama.




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    • Cary replied 1 month ago

      @wiscot

      yes that was quite nice. winning a Tour stage alone like that must feel outrageous. did you happen to catch the Norwegian highlight broadcast? i thought the announcer was gonna have a heart attack.




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    • Cary replied 1 month ago

      please go away Floyd. take Tyler, Kimmage, Walsh, etc., with you while you’re at it. your 15 minutes are up.

      http://cycling.today/floyd-landis-contadors-coach-was-my-drug-dealer/




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