• Peter Sagan has undergone quite the transformation over the years; starting as a brash and disrespectful neo-pro, he’s blossomed into one of the most exciting and charismatic racers in the bunch. A sort of […]




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Michal Kwiatkowski
      3. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      4. Fernando Gaviria
      5. Greg van Avermaet



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    • Should be a cracker!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kwiatkowski
      3. Boasson Hagen
      4. Matthews
      5. van Avermaet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Julian Alaphilippe
      4. Micheal Matthew
      5. Peter Sagan



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      3. Phillipe Gilbert
      4. Greg Van Avermaet
      5. Julian Alaphilippe



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Fernando Gaviria
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Michael Matthews
      4. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      5. Elia Viviani



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    • Fuck yeah triple. He’s been ill…but…still can’t bet against him.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kwitkowski
      3. GVA
      4. Boasson Hagen
      5. Matthews



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    • It would be awesome if the VSP points for the second half of the season could be updated?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      2. Michal Kwiatkowski
      3. Peter Sagan
      4. Greg Van Avermaet
      5. Alexander Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Three Pete
      2. Matthews
      3. van Avermaet
      4. Boasson Hagen
      5. Kwiatkowski



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    • Clarifying…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Michael Matthews
      3. van Avermaet
      4. Boasson Hagen
      5. Kwiatkowski



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Wellens
      3. van Avermaet
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Gilbert



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    • Finally some action again! Too bad there were no VSPs for the TTT and ITT.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Boasson Hagen
      3. Quiet cough ski
      4. Gv Avermaet
      5. M Matthews



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    • the windmill’s on fire but can’t sprint if his life depends on it …

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Bling
      3. v Avermaet
      4. Trentin
      5. Dumoulin



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaert
      3. Boassen Hagen
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Alaphillipe



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    • @R00tdown

      Three Pete? Clever.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Kwiatkowski
      4. Boassen Hagen
      5. Matthews



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Elia Viviani
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Michal Kwiatkowski
      4. Matteo Trentin
      5. Eddie Boss



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    • 3Pete – After missing most of the tour he has only had this to work towards and when they tell him to win, he wins!

      lotto for the remaining spots as who knows how they will all go over the lumpy course which should have some breakaways.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Edvald Bosson Hagen
      3. Bling
      4. GvA
      5. Trentin



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Michał Kwiatkowski
      4. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      5. Michael Matthews



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermaet
      3. Michal Kwiatkowski
      4. Fernando Gaviria
      5. Edvald Boasson Hagen



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kwiatkowski
      3. Van Avermaet
      4. Michael Matthews
      5. Kristoff



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Matthews
      2. Sagan
      3. Van Avermaet
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Gilbert



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    • All from a breakaway..

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Uranus R
      2. Dumoulin T
      3. Terpstra N
      4. Benoot T
      5. Martin D



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kristoff
      3. Boasen Hagen
      4. Matthews
      5. Van Avermaet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. kwiatkowski
      2. van Avermaet
      3. Peter Sagan
      4. Gaviria
      5. Michael Matthews



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. van Avermaet
      3. Boasson Hagen
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Gilbert



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kwiatkowski
      3. Van Avermaet
      4. Matthews
      5. Boasson Hagen



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Michael Kwiatkowski
      3. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      4. Michael Matthews
      5. Greg van Avermaet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Fernando Gaviria
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Michael Matthews
      4. Michal Kwiatkowski
      5. Greg Van Avermaet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Kwiatkowski
      2. Sagan
      3. Van Avermaet
      4. Alaphillippe
      5. Matthews



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. van Avermaet
      2. Kwiatowski
      3. Sagan
      4. Matthews
      5. Kristoff



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    • I think Gilbert may slip off like Chantal B. but don’t have the guts.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Kwiatkowski
      2. Sagan
      3. GVa
      4. EBH
      5. Matthews



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    • Shit, I’m so glad picks are still open! I totally forgot Eddy Boss. Shame on me!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Matthews
      2. Sagan
      3. Boassen Hagen
      4. Van Avermaet
      5. Kwiatkowski



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. GVA
      2. Bling
      3. Boss Hogg
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Wellens T



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    • History was made. Our country is in the celebration mode now…




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    • @Pali65

      Congrats and enjoy!




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    • Does anyone know what happened to the TV feed in the last few kilometers? I watched for hours only to miss the last 3K. The French announcers were going nuts after Aliphillipe attacked then I watched the final corner, sans riders, for several minutes.




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    • COMPLETELY AMAZING!!! HOW DID HE MANAGE THAT??




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    • @Rick

      A tweet said there was a power outage.

      And yes, hearing the French announcers nearly scream as Alaphilippe, only for the feed to go out and them still convinced he would enter into view with the lead at the flamme rouge fixed camera was a good bit of side theatre.




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    • @xyxax

      Thanks, figured it had to be something technical. The coverage was great all day until the end.




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    • Missing part of race taken from helicopter:

      https://youtu.be/yaJGAboivHk




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    • @Cary

      What he said. Invisible all day then pops up in 3rd wheel, 800m to go.

      What a racer.




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    • @Pali65

      Thanks for posting. That was a heckuva race we missed live.




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    • @JohnB

      Nothwithstanding Lombardia, think this result might have it sewn up for me.

      I could have missed someone scoring highly and beating us both, of course.




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    • @RobSandy

      Well, that “someone” certainly isn’t me! Good luck and I hope you come out on top!




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    • i don’t think there will be a four-peat for Sagan next year in Innsbruck




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    • @Pali65

      i watched this when you first posted it again, and i REALLY liked it for some reason. now, after watching it again, i know why. there’s no announcer yammering away in my ear, telling me shit i don’t need or want to know. bike racing is even more beautiful this way. years ago, Douglas Maicon scored a GORGEOUS goal against Juventus, and the first footage on the ‘net had no play by play. i must have watched that goal a thousand times, no exaggeration at all. still one of the most beautiful things i’ve seen in my life.




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    • @Cary

      i actually found the YouTube link. imagine if all sport was this pure and beautiful to watch:

      https://youtu.be/cwPoqd3t2wE




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    • @Cary

      I have often wished for an SAP option of only crowd noise. I don’t need announcers telling me what is going on when I know as well, or better than they do. The crowd noise would enhance the experience and be a better option than simply muting all sound.




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    • @Cary

      I remember reading some talk of the GC riders thinking this could be a WC for them. Froome, for example.




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    • @RobSandy

      he’s the stongest cyclist of this generation. as Eddy Merckx famously said regarding MSR, “it is only the very strongest riders that will be able to contest the longer races.” Sagan has more gas in the tank at the end of these types of contests.




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    • @Rick

      A lot of the time steephill.tv will have a highlight video that is sans commentary. Always worth a look IMHO.




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    • @wiscot

      That is great to know, thanks!




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    • @Rick

      They are usually listed as “Ambient”.




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    • If I had made a VSP entry, it would’ve been for Sagan to win. After that, I didn’t really care. After the stupid UCI/TdF decision to eject him from the Tour deBacle, he gets the last laugh by winning the Worlds and putting himself in the record books as the only three-peat winner. For him, the curse of the rainbow jersey is that he can’t get it off his back.




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    • @chuckp

      totally on point! he’s really a special rider. good that he’s achieved preeminence now that Cancellara and Boonen have retired.




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    • THIS is the way to approach life! Birmingham UK, Birmingham AL.. what’s the difference!?

      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-41393230?SThisFB




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    • @Cary

      I agree, I’d have done the same …………………………….. if I’d have had the money so to do, that is!




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    • Me to Mrs T: I need to go to Hawaii

      Mrs T: How come?

      Me: Well I booked on the Mnt Haleakala road climb but I thought it was just up the Rhonda just past Ystrad by Nant-ddu but apparently it’s not. So I need to go to Hawaii it seems.

      Mrs T: ……….




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    • @Teocalli

      Want to come cycling with me up the Rhondda tomorrow?

      http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/15-675/

      Have you seen the weather forecast?




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    • @RobSandy

      Well the forecast for here is not too bad……..




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    • @RobSandy

      Ah what a shame entries are closed………




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    • @Teocalli

      Bernard says you can enter on the day! 7am at Coryton if you’re keen to be soaking wet for 8 or 9 hours straight…you get free sandwiches at the end.




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    • @RobSandy

      Many thanks for your message. I am now off line but will be returning on Monday. I will pick up your messages on return.




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    • Late to this party, but what a win!

      I’ll never forget these three wins. Was there in Richmond with wife who was just a few weeks pregnant, now our son is around 18 months and if I’m working on my bike, demands to hold the wrench. He also LOVES riding around in his trailer behind the bike. He’s at a really fun stage.

      Sagan is such an amazing racer. Hard to believe we get to see him doing this!




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    • a good read on Davide Rebellin, as noted, most of these points apply to Valverde, too:

      http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/il-lombardia/#.WdRZ97ZOmaN




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    • @Cary

      Think you posted the wrong link

      http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/eds-rant-davide-rebellin-good-doper-or-bad-doper/

      Not that the article on Lombardia wasn’t nice!




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    • Cary replied 2 weeks ago

      a great Lombardia today. Alaphillipe is really going to be something in these next few years. he and Gaviria have to be the most exciting young riders in the peloton.

      Nibali really put it on ‘em today. i think he’s got, at least, a couple classics wins in him, yet.




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    • @Cary

      Was out and about and missed it. Shame no VSP.

      Did you see De Plus’s crash? Ouch!




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    • Cary replied 2 weeks ago

      @RobSandy

      has to be the crash of the year, even outdoing the Mont du Chat descent yatd sale at the Tour. word is, De Plus escaped serious injury, too. THAT’S good stuff to show the grandkids!




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    • I’ve heard that J. Bakelants crashed at the very same spot with 7 broken ribs and 2 vertebrae as a result.




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    • this afternoon, i watched nbcsn’s 2017 Fleche and Liege coverage. two observations:

      1) Bob Roll’s insights are good, but he’s not a good broadcaster.

      2) Valverde is a real badass, but it’s too bad Philippe Gilbert was damaged this year at Amstel. given his super form it would have been awesome to see him challenge for the win throughout the Ardennes classics.




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    • @Cary

      Bob is sort of a human version of Parkinson’s Law. When he has to make a point quickly he does so very well. When he has time to ramble he will do so. I used to watch his YouTube channel but had to stop because he took several minutes to make a statement that should have taken seconds.




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  • The Women’s road race has to be my favorite one-day road race after Paris-Roubaix and de Ronde van Vlaanderen. Those two races are obviously on a pedestal that no mortal race could ever hope to achieve.

    But […]




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna van der Breggen
      2. Amalie Dideriksen
      3. Coryn Rivera
      4. Annemiek van Vleuten
      5. Chloe Hoskin



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    • I think either

      van der Breggen and van Vleuten could easily win and it would be nice to see van Vleuten do the double rainbow!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. van der Breggen
      2. van Vleuten
      3. Deignan
      4. Vos
      5. Hosking



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Coryn Rivera
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Elisa Longo Borghini
      4. Christine Majerus
      5. Lizzie Deignan



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    • Yes! So pleased to see this on the VSP schedule.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Van der Breggen
      2. Rivera
      3. D’Hoore
      4. Deignan
      5. Dideriksen



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    • Dutch Domination

      Any chance the VSP points are

      going to be updated for the second half of the season?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna ven Der Breggen
      2. Annemeik Van Vleuten
      3. Marianne Vos
      4. Coryn Rivera
      5. Elizabeth Deignan



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    • @JohnB

      Are you also wondering if you’ve managed to creep past me into 1st?

      How do you think you did on San Sebastian? I Delgado’d!




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    • @RobSandy

      Ha! I wish, although the first year there are no prizes, I’m challenging!

      San Sebastian – Kwiatkowski, Dumoulin and Landa all in the wrong order.




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    • @JohnB

      A win is a win!

      I was about 7 points ahead before the TDF. I think I did ok there, probably scored about the same as you. I missed SS so you’ll have come back a bit there, possibly into the lead.

      I did pretty well on the Vuelta though (top 3 in the right order) so who knows now?




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    • @RobSandy

      Spookily enough I got the Vuelta top 3 in order too so still on your wheel. I had hoped for better from Betancur but crash injuries saw him off. That’ll be him ballooning in weight again!




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. van Vleuten
      2. Rivera
      3. van der Breggan
      4. Niewiadoma
      5. Broghini



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    • trying again

      VSP PICKS:

      1. van der Breggan
      2. Rivera
      3. van Vleuten
      4. Deignan
      5. Borghini



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. van Vleuten
      2. Rivera
      3. van der Breggan
      4. Niewiadoma
      5. Borghini



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    • @JohnB

      I’ve done some back-if-a-fag packet maths and I reckon I’m on about 180 points and you’re around 10 points behind. So still all to play for.

      I tried to work out who is 3rd but there are a lot of contenders. Think it might be dancollins.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Coryn Rivera
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Elisa Longo Borghini
      4. Lizzie Deignan
      5. Annemiek van Vleuten



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna vd Breggen
      2. Lizzie Deignan
      3. Av Vleuten
      4. Borghini
      5. Vos



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Annemiek van Vleuten
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Vos
      4. Lizzie Deignan
      5. Elisa Longo Borghini



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    • @RobSandy

      I commend your attention to the task. Smoking is bad for you though !




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    • I have to mention Ellen somewhere, we share surname after

      all (not related as far as I know though)

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Vos
      2. Borghini
      3. vd Breggen
      4. Riviera
      5. van Dijk



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. van der Breggen
      2. Coryn Rivera
      3. Chloe Hoskin
      4. van Vleuten
      5. Borghini



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    • Lizzie just had an operation to get her appendix removed. That’s arguably disadvantageous, but I theorise she just wanted to shed those few appendix grammes!

      Also I totally agree with @frank that women’s Worlds is one of the best races on the calendar.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Der Breggen
      2. Ferrand-Prevot
      3. Van Vleuten
      4. Hosking
      5. Deignan



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Vleuten
      2. Ferrand-Prevot
      3. Deignan
      4. Vos
      5. Borghini



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    • Really hoping it’s Vos, despite putting her 2nd here.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. van der Breggen
      2. Vos
      3. van Dijk
      4. van Vleuten
      5. Ferrand-Prevot



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Coryn Rivera
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Bronzini
      4. Van Vleuten
      5. Queen Lizzie



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    • double rainbow

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Vleuten
      2. Vos
      3. Anna van der Breggen
      4. Elvin
      5. Where’s Lizzie



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Annemiek Van Vleuten
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Jolien d’Hoore
      4. Coryn Rivera
      5. Elisa Longo Borghini



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    • To the divine Ms Vos, forgve me for putting you in 4th. Prove me wrong!’

      Rivera rode TOAD in my wee home town of

      West Bend, WI this summer. That’s reason enough for me to put her #1.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Rivera
      2. Deignan
      3. van der Breggen
      4. d”hooore
      5. Vos



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. van Vleuten
      2. van der Breggan
      3. Rivera
      4. Niewiadoma
      5. Broghini



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    • Jay replied 4 weeks ago

      I have pretty much delgadoed most of the VSP season…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Vleuten
      2. Van der Breggen
      3. Guarnier
      4. Rivera, Coryn
      5. D’Hoore



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna Van Der Breggen
      2. Coryn Rivera
      3. Pauline Ferrand Prevot
      4. Elisa Longo Borghini
      5. Annemiek Van Vleuten



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    • @wiscot

      That would be 4th as in 5 – Vos? I guess it could be 4th Runner Up?




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna van der Breggen
      2. Elisa Longo Borghini
      3. Coryn Rivera
      4. Annemiek van Vleuten
      5. Pauline Ferrand-Prevot



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    • xyxax replied 4 weeks ago

      Well, I am excited.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna van der Breggen
      2. Annemiek van Vleuten
      3. Roarin’ Coryn Rivera
      4. The divine Ms. M. Vos
      5. Post-op Lizzie D.



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    • Errrr . . . 4th runner up . . . of course!




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    • Rick replied 4 weeks ago

      Great to see that the new Women’s Elite Road Race Champion adheres to Rule #13. The V is clearly with her.

      Kudos to Ms. Blaak and to her teammates. The Cycling news feed reported that Van der Breggen and Van Vlueten controlled the pack to ensure a Dutch World Championship. That has to be tough for the two biggest favorites but is great teamwork.

      Chapeau to the Dutch women’s team!




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  • Holy fuckballs. I’ve never been this late ever on a VSP. I mean, I’ve missed them entirely – which is another kind of incompetence entirely – but I’m shocked at how quickly this week blew by me. I think I have […]




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      • Here we go again- Contador let me down in the tour so no go this time

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Zakarin
      4. Chaves
      5. Kruijswik



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    • Cary replied 2 months ago




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    • Cary replied 2 months ago

      lemme try again:

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chaves
      3. Aru
      4. Nibali
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Contador
      3. Adam Yates
      4. Aru
      5. S Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Bardet
      3. Contador
      4. Froome
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Chaves



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    • Rick replied 2 months ago

      VSP PICKS:

      1. C Froome
      2. V Nibali
      3. F Aru
      4. I Zakarin
      5. A Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Zakarin



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Esteban Chavez
      4. Ilnur Zakarin
      5. Alberto Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Zakarin
      3. Aru
      4. Nibali
      5. A Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Vincenzo Nibali
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Ilnur Zakarin
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Fabio Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Ilur Zakarin
      4. Rafał Majka
      5. Steven Kruijswijk



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    • close to having Delgado-ed …

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froomey
      2. Kruiswijk
      3. Nibbles
      4. Poels
      5. Kelderman



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    • Wow, that was nearly a Delgado

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Aru
      4. Yates
      5. Zakarin



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    • .

      VSP PICKS:

      1. froome
      2. nibali
      3. aru
      4. adam yates
      5. zakarin



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    • We will see. My preparation went well but you never know how will go. Especially with so many days on the mountains. I will take it day by day. I have the full support of my team. They do an amazing job. My head is in the right place but we will see about the legs.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Barguil
      4. Majka
      5. Kruijswijk



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. froome
      2. nibali
      3. aru
      4. kruijswijk
      5. Yates a



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibbles
      3. Zakarin
      4. Kruijswijk
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chavez
      3. Aru
      4. A Yates
      5. Krashwick



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chavez
      3. Aru
      4. A Yates
      5. Bardet



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    • Thanks for setting this up @frank! Any chance you could calculate the results for the Tour and San Sebastian when you get a moment? I think I did quite well in them and I want me some prizes*!

      *Sod’s Law dictates that now I’ve said that, I will have done badly and I will look like a tool.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Aru
      3. Zakarin
      4. A Yates
      5. Nibali



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    • Who knows really!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Chaves
      2. Bardet
      3. Froomacil
      4. Simon Yates
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Kruijswijk
      4. Chaves
      5. Nibali



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Chaves



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    • Cary replied 2 months ago

      weirdly, i’m actually rooting for Froome to win it.




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    • My attempt to pick who would crash out at the Tour went badly wrong (not just for me), so I give up, and just the usual dice roll. No crashes please.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chaves
      3. Nibali
      4. Bardet
      5. A Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froom
      2. Barguil
      3. Bardet
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Alaphillipe



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome, Dog
      2. Nibali, Shark
      3. Chaves
      4. Kruijswicjk
      5. Majka



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Kruijswijk
      3. Chaves
      4. Poels VV
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Zakarin
      3. A Yates
      4. Kruijswijk
      5. Nibali



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    • Contador to have a bad crash on the first few days and then hunt for stage wins from then on.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibbles
      3. Poels
      4. A. Yates
      5. Zakarin



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Aru
      4. Contador
      5. Yates



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Ilnur Zakarin
      4. Esteban Chaves
      5. Carlos Betancur



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    • Ron replied 2 months ago

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Aru
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Alberto Contador
      4. Ilnur Zakarin
      5. Wout Poels



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. NIBALI, Vincenzo
      2. FROOME, Chris
      3. CHAVES, Esteban
      4. DENNIS, Rohan
      5. YATES, Adam



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    • Any chance we can close out San Sebastian and the TDF?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Contador
      4. Zakarin
      5. Aru



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    • Ccos replied 2 months ago

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Chaves
      4. Zakarin
      5. Are



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    • This time for real

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome Dog
      2. Nibbles
      3. Zakarin
      4. Clenbutador
      5. Aru



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    • Ccos replied 2 months ago

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Chaves
      4. Zakarin
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Aru
      3. Froome
      4. Contador
      5. Bardet



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    • Had a reshuffle. Not many people are tipping Bardet to do well. Not sure why.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Bardet
      4. Yates
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Ilnur Zakarin
      3. Froome
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. NIBALI Vincenzo
      3. CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
      4. CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
      5. ARU Fabio



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    • @RobSandy

      maybe because of the TT…




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    • Cary replied 2 months ago

      @RobSandy

      i didn’t list Bardet based on how destroyed he looked in the last Tour TT. i think he’s toast.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Zakarin
      3. Chaves
      4. Nibali
      5. Adam Yates



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    • Lucky dip really, but I’m guessing

      Froomacil will probably be near the pointy end.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Zakarin
      4. Chaves
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. chavez
      2. froome
      3. nibali
      4. Yates A
      5. Zakarin



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    • Also forgot to say w

      hich Yates!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Zakarin
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Aru



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    • Slight rearrange

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Kruijswijk
      3. Nibbles
      4. Zakarin
      5. Poels VV



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Kruijswijk
      4. Contador
      5. Majka



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    • Interesting. I’ve never seen a VSP where entries could be posted after the race starts. If this keeps up I’ll be re-submitting in a couple of weeks!




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    • @wiscot

      Fortunately it has now closed otherwise there would be a few folk quickly ditching Contador!




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    • Ron replied 2 months ago

      Two exciting finishes so far. Can’t believe Yves managed to hold them off. Nice ride!

      Oh, and the dirtbags going wide to move up at the train crossing – I’d have given those lads a frame pump in the wheels.




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    • @Teocalli

      I think the Contador scenario now playing out emphasizes the wisdom of Hinault when he retired. Hinault, being one of the great GT riders of all time, did not want to suffer the indignity and humiliation currently being experienced by Contador. Hinualt was not happy unless he was a contender. Alas, Bertie may not make top 10 if today is an indication.




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    • @wiscot

      …….or a lack of Steak……




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    • @Teocalli

      You know, I’ve always thought Bertie got a bit of a bum deal on the clenbuterol test. There’s no threshold amount for a positive test and the amount that showed was incredibly small. Other riders I’m sure have tested positive for far more effective drugs which were below the positive threshold.

      I’m hoping he goes out in style, but it seems like that might not be the case. Here’s to hoping he gets at least a stage win in grand style. I think he deserves that.

      Looks like all the other main contenders have come ready to play. That was some fine racing today.




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    • Cary replied 2 months ago

      @wiscot

      a) i excluded Bardet from my list based on his final TdF TT, but included Cotador out of sentimentality and well wishes. one good decision cancels a bad one. story of my life.

      b) agree on Contador getting hosed on the clenbutrol flap. i have watched these last ten years of cycling with a jaundiced perspective, because it’s the same sort of shit e have seen time and time again. the drugs are different, the individuals are different, yet the mechanisms of deceit remain the same. all i see, collectively, are the same riders, guilty of the same shit, scurrying back and forth from one conveniently held position to another. the only differences are, some have produced results, and some have NOT. the only two individuals i respect in the pantheon of whistleblowers are Lemond and Andreu, who both came forward when they still had something SIGNIFICANT to lose. in my eyes, the rest are doing nothing but recriminating and playing dumb, in a sisyphean effort to validate their percieved legacy.

      c) has anybody here watched Icarus yet? if an organization can change urine samples to protect the guilty, another organization can surely do the same to implicate the innocent. why, at this point, should any of us believe ANY of the players in this story to hold some sort of moral high ground? every last agency invoved in this ongoing debacle has demonstrated corruption and incompetence. UCI, WADA, etc, straight down the line. gimme a break. may as well ask the IRS their opinion, too.




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    • Cary replied 2 months ago

      i should qualify that rant by saying that i really don’t believe Lemond ever doped in the first place, so maybe “coming forward” isn’t the best way to describe what he went though. truth lies in action. viewed thru the lens of history, Lemond’s actions are those of an innocent man. and a righteous one.




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    • Cary replied 2 months ago

      sure he did, it is a matter of record, now. yet, why was the Russian Federation allowed by the IOC to compete at the Rio Olympics, again? bullshit on top of bullshit! it’s about money, and only money. once Lance’s career crossed the threshold whereby more money could be made by taking him down, than by looking the other way, the endgame was a foregone conclusion. i am cynical for a reason. follow the money. you’ll never be wrong, but reality spares no disillusion.




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    • @Cary

      …and I took Bardet out based on your comments. Who’s the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows the fool?




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    • Cary replied 2 months ago

      @RobSandy

      i’ve been trying to figure that out since i was in the Marine Corps. no answers yet.




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    • Some time ago I read a scientific article on this contaminated meat stuff that purportedly was from a reliable scientific source, I can’t remember whether it was around the Contador incident or another one so I will make that disclaimer. Basically what it came to, is that for Clenbuterol (etc) to be retained in meat in sufficient quantity to give a positive test in an athlete then either the bull would have to have a dose that would probably kill it or the athlete would have to eat the figurative bull between two bread vans. Since then I’ve always been a bit cynical over contaminated food – unless the contamination was direct into the food ie from a malicious source. If I ever get really bored I may try to find the article.




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    • Ron replied 2 months ago

      I finally paid to watch cycling this years (cycling.tv) and now the Vuelta is blacked out in the U.S. Great!




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    • @Ron

      Ron,

      I watched the Sporza feed on Steephill.tv yesterday – live! Ok, it’s in Dutch, but hey, you can’t have it all!




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    • @Joe Bloggs

      I got your jist and appreciate the informed comment. Yeah, Bertie should have retired a while back, but I guess when teams throw big $$ at you it’s hard to turn down.




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    • Cary replied 2 months ago

      @wiscot

      Robbie McEwen had a very interesting observation regarding this upon his own retirement years ago. as i recall, it was something like “a rider must compete until they are done racing.” meaning, if a rider retires too soon, before the spirit and willingness to compete at the pro level is exhausted, they will struggle to adjust to life after cycling. as a fan, i always liked McEwen. nobody in his day had his race savvy and killer instinct. that he’s articulated the dynamics of racing at the top levels so as to be better understood by punters like me is a big plus, too.




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    • Cary replied 2 months ago

      check this out, if y’all haven’t already. Froome advocating the 3 second rule, implemented during the TdF. as a viewer, i surely noticed the difference at the Tour, and it seems like a good idea:

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-froome-advocates-three-second-rule-for-flat-stages/




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    • @wiscot

      The NBC Sports Gold cycling package (I think I paid $29.00 for 6 months) is broadcasting the Vuelta live on its website. Well worth it for those of us in the USA.




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    • @dancollins

      I’m in the US but get my TV “over the air” these days. Cut the cable a few years back. That’s not too bad a price though . . .




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    • @wiscot

      I only get “over the air”, too. But the NBC Sports Gold is something that you can get through your computer, tablet or (maybe) a smart TV app. I put the app on my tablet so I can watch from anywhere. Well, except from my place of employment – they would frown at that.




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    • @MangoDave

      I believe Dave is correct. I don’t think you need a TV subscription to NBC Sports. As long as you have access to the internet, you can buy the NBC Sports Gold cycling package app. I watch it on my laptop and on my smartphone.




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    • Froome has a time-sapping mechanical, Contador crashes out.




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    • Froome has a mechanical – with none of the benefits of the Yellow Jersey!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Kruijswijk
      2. Bardet
      3. Yates
      4. Froome
      5. Aru



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    • We have highlights on Itv4. Which means I have to endure that Watchfinder bastard again.




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    • @RobSandy

      WFH with Eurosport on the Mac in the background. Well maybe work in the background actually.




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    • Commuted to my office today on my white bike! Everyone needs a white bike. Simple, clean, sexy! As much as I like my flashy Tommasini paint job, I love having a white/black bike and wearing white/black kit. A moving Peugeot jersey!!




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    • @Ron

      Photos please. (or it didn’t happen!)

      Is there a most combative rider award at the Vuelta? We all know Thomas DeGendt was robbed of that award at the Tour, but here he is again at the Vuelta doing the same thing. Kicking ass and taking names every day in breakaways. Chapeau!




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    • @Teocalli

      complete asininity. sending Barguil home with a parcours this hilly is folly.




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    • @Cary

      Barguil is a short timer with Sunweb. He is signed with a new team next year so Sunweb owes him nothing. His personal results will benefit another team next year. Why keep him in the race if he is not going to be a team player?

      I would bet money that the decision to send him home had something to do with team morale.




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    • @Rick

      nothing’s better for morale than results, and Barguil was their best shot at that. has to be more to the story than that.




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    • @Rick

      Barguil refused to bring Kelderman back to the peloton after the latter suffered a puncture. Correct decision I think.




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    • @KogaLover

      I concur.




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    • @Rick

      Agreed. I read a quote from Barguil to the effect that he didn’t want to ride for GC and was prepared to lose time to put himself in that situation. Sounds like Sunweb have a talented prima donna on their hands (for a while longer, at any rate.) One things for sure, Hinault never intimated and such sentiments and except for races such as the Tour where he was undisputed leader, he was known to be a very loyal teammate.

      I doubt Tom Dumoulin will be sorry to see Barguil go if that’s his attitude and actions.




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    • @Cary

      Turns out we were right about Bardet after all.

      Typical that the year I might win the VSP the points aren’t being calculated and there doesn’t seem to be any prizes!

      Doesn’t matter, I didn’t enter for the prizes. Like I don’t race for points..




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    • @RobSandy

      chapeau to Bardet on a very well contested grand tour season. don’t we kinda have to look at this as proof of clean racing? ten years ago, you wouldn’t see a rider of Bardet’s caliber dying like he has. i’ll not forget that final TdF TT, he looked thoroughly eviscerated.




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    • @Cary

      Yeh, I like him. He’s a battler and looks fucking good on a bike.

      I’d like think he could win the Tour one day, although he might have to wait for Froome to retire!




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    • @RobSandy

      Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?




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    • @Teocalli

      i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.




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    • @RobSandy

      he kindareminds me of Robert Millar in his heyday.




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    • @Teocalli

      If it transpired we were down at the in-laws that weekend, probably a good chance.

      I’ve broached the subject and I’ll let you know.




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    • @Cary

      Let me know if you’re ever in South Wales and I’ll take you out. I even know where to get good coffee.

      You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?




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    • @Cary

      You’d always be welcome to come and stay here.




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    • @RobSandy

      Fingers crossed.

      Re short steep climbs – that’s kinda the Surrey Hills for you – and I live on the top of one. In fact I think it’s about the second highest. Pretty hard to find a flat ride from here. I do often yearn for one. Though it does mean that grabbing a quick hour to hour and a half from work can give a decent workout.




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    • @RobSandy

      yeah. actually, that’s exactly my game!




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    • @Cary

      This is what it’s like round here.

      https://www.strava.com/activities/707430920




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    • @Teocalli

      though this forum seems to be on an, at least temporary, hiatus, it would be just great if the remaining contributors could make the best of what’s left. i really appreciate this.




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    • @RobSandy

      that looks outstanding, i wish i had terrain like this locally, but it’s pan-flat, and windy here. i have to go out of town for even moderate hills, though the hilly rides just outside my metro area are SUPER nice. heaven on earth, really. nice ride, by the way.




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    • @Cary

      It was brutal. Some of the gradients are silly – 30% ish. Funny thing is, you could do a similar ride up the valley floors and miss out nearly all the hills. It’s a great place to live for a road cyclist round here. And the mountain biking is good too. There’s a reason we churn out loads and loads of pros.




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    • @Cary

      We’re still here, chatting about bikes and rides and riders.




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    • @RobSandy

      for sure, cycling is LIFE! as a fan, and a rider, i’m not going anywhere.




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    • @RobSandy

      And that looks like fun ! Cheers




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    • Alessandro De Marchi (BMC), Alexis Gougeard (AG2R-La Mondiale), Thomas De Gendt (Lotto Soudal) and Arnaud Courteille (FDJ) have maintained an average speed of 42.8km/h in the first two hours of racing.

      That’s my average speed for my 10 mile PB. And look at the parcours they have done that on?

      Animals.




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    • @RobSandy

      That’s why they get paid to ride, and we don’t!




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    • @Teocalli

      i just took my new Masi out for a 30k hellfest. while i was suffering like a stray dog in a gutter, i kept looking at my chrome luggs, and was duly fortified by the visage. the communication from the road, provided by Reynolds steel, an appreciated bonus. road cycling is so much more than heart rate and wattage. a GREAT day in my life, among many, provided by a finely crafted and properly equipped machine.




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    • @Cary

      Nice




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    • I watched today’s stage courtesy of Steephill. I was hoping for some fireworks on the 28k climb to the summit finish. In the end, the GC contenders finished mostly together. Zakarin attacked and gained time to move into third place overall (which screwed my VSP picks).

      It seems these days everyone in Grand Tours rides to preserve their podium place rather than to win.




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    • @Rick

      Maybe that’s it… But dang, the Sky train and Froome have mastered the tempo and power meter. Attacks get out ahead and as they come back out of the red, they slowly get reeled back in with steady Sky tempo that’s gotta be just near the limit. Nibali today got out front and then was pegged right at 10 sec and allowed to dangle out there. Wout Poels leads tempo in front and still finishes with lead group at end today ?!? So strong. More than a few attacks today were gobbled up and dropped out the back yes ? Lopez has looked super strong these past couple of days for sure. Cheers



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    • @Rick

      for me, excessive focus on hr and power has sucked a bit of the joy out of some group riding, and even watching certain races. i know people that cannot talk about anything else on a group ride. i have seen SO many crashes and other avoidable blunders on local rides due to lack of proper awareness and focus. indeed, the idea that made the Velominati rules, and this community so attractive to me initially, was the embrace of the ride, and the awareness and soft focus necessary to fully EXPERIENCE it. cycling on many levels, has turned into a live action SIMS game.




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    • @Rick

      Suits me – I’ve now got the top 3 in the right order. Wont last.

      I guess the reason no one launches attacks against Froome and Sky is simply that they can’t. The pace is so high that to attack from it is just too much.

      Unless you’re Lopez and can ride away from everyone, at altitude, and cross the line on your own without seemingly needing to breathe. Hmm….




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    • @Cary

      Agreed. I for one have removed my bike computer. I let my phone record my ride so after I’ve finished I can see how far, how hard, how fast I went. During the ride I go with feel.




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    • @davidlhill

      i do the same. i turn on Strava, and shove the phone in a jersey pocket. i must say that many of the data-driven riders i know are FAR fitter than i am.




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    • I had to give up doing mtb navigator events when I could no longer read the map on the go as I needed to stop and get out reading glasses. I’ll soon not be able to read the Garmin anyway.




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    • in the “thoroughly unrelated to the Vuelta” dept: Jobst Brandt made it onto a Clif Bar. i am a little surprised he hasn’t had a writeup on this site. surely a cycling icon, maybe in no small part due to this image of him on the Gavia.




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    • So who’s going to win the TT today, and how many minutes will Froome’s lead be by the end?




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    • @Teocalli

      Didn’t Bardet get done for it last year? Seems AG2R don’t learn.

      Did you also see Taylor Phinney got DQ’d from the Tour of Britain?




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    • @RobSandy

      Yeah did see that re Phinney. He said it was a split second decision – I guess he did not know the Highway Code re the flashing lights. I guess in the US they just keep crossing when the bells are ringing. Maybe he does not realise how fast some of our trains run over here compared to a 5 mile freight train in the US…….




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    • @Teocalli

      I think he was completely aware – but he was out the back in the cars so I imagine he thought he might not get back on again. Feel for him actually.




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    • @RobSandy

      Are the organisers taking the V-line by placing the TT and hardest climbs after the second rest day swaps?

      Not that it matters to me having Delgado’ due rose induced lethargy.




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    • @chris

      Frank seems to have removed rest day swaps this year. Accident or design, it’s fine by me.

      Did you notice that Froome was talking about how the GC favourite wouldn’t be going full gas in the TT to save themselves for the mountain days to come…then went full gas and smashed it.




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    • @RobSandy

      Yes I saw that… mind games !




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    • @Ron

      I’m sure I’ve told you this before but you are not old my friend. Plenty of time left before that!




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    • @Ron

      I hope the guys who used to tackle you weren’t made of tarmac. Crashing hurts, heal up quick.




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    • @Ron

      Lucky man! Could have been much worse! Hope you feel better soon.

      I had a narrow one myself on Monday helping a pal get a duck hunting boat out of a lake in southern Indiana. I was carrying the front of the boat up the metal trailer ramp and my legs slipped out from under me. The bow of the boat came down hard on the upper inside of my right kneecap. Small scrape and some pain, but all seems to be ok. Just as well: I’m riding the Door County century this weekend.

      Aqua Blue Sport. Worst jersey ever? No sponsor name on the front. What genius designed that? Discuss.




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    • Thanks, guys. This is my commuter bike, so just cheapo Tektro V’s paired with Avid levers. Very nice pull action, but modulating with one hand/brake is NOT easy.

      So sore can barely move my right arm and my right knee is swollen as hell. Very sore, but I don’t think it’s anything long-term.

      It all happened so fast, as crashes usually do. Went down hard though, one of those where you get a weird taste in your mouth from the impact (not blood).

      Dropping a boat on yourself? Ouch!




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    • This is the attitude that is ruining Grand Tours. If Lemond would have had this attitude he The Professor would have another Tour win.

      I am not trying to pick on Kelderman, many riders seem to have this attitude these days.

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kelderman-i-will-fight-for-the-vuelta-a-espana-podium/

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kelderman-nibali-and-zakarin-are-my-vuelta-a-espana-rivals-not-froome/




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    • @Rick

      i blame the rise of data-driven cycling for this, and many other ills. data clearly works, though. Kelderman is likely correct in his assessment.




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    • @Cary

      It is not just Kelderman. It is Uran sucking wheels the entire Tour, happy to finish second by less than a minute. Data isn’t it is the riding to finish second or third or tenth that is ruining the sport. I blame the everyone gets a trophy culture.




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    • @Ron

      You just need a smart phone and run something like Strava on it. Smartphones have GPS inbuilt. Only potential downside is log rides as it does tend to chew the battery vs the capacity of a dedicated GPS. Might be better on newer phones though.




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    • Damn fine result today! Does anyone deserve a GT stage win more than Thomas de Gendt? No-one, that’s who. The guy’s been busting his balls since the start of the Tour.

      Nice effort by Bertie today. A lot to play for on the Angliru tomorrow. The final classification isn’t set yet – although my VSP was doomed from the start.




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    • @Rick

      Not sure that’s true. Zakarin and Kelderman have a pretty good low-key battle going on. But the only one’s racing to win are Froome and Nibali, for sure. And Contador is racing everyone.

      They need to have a good long look at Rule #70.




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    • Chapeau, Senor Contador.




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    • @Rick

      Hear, hear.

      Also, if VSP gets scored, I have the top three in the right order.




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    • @RobSandy

      Congrats to you, Sir. I had the first two in order and Zakarin in fourth. His attack yesterday sunk my chances.




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    • *sank my chances.




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    • @Ron

      Teocalli is right – I have a smartphone. My newer one is far better on battery life, especially as the screen isn’t on. I start the ride, start the app, turn off the screen and put the phone in my back pocket and forget about it. I also take a small external battery as the law of states that the one time it does kill the battery is the one time I need the phone to work as a phone!




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    • @Rick

      Nice. I had Contador correct in fourth, NITRO’d Froome and Nibbles.

      Summing up the Vuelta, I’m still not a big Froome fan, but the man deserves respect. Got the sprinter’s jersey in the end, too. Contador was fun to watch as he went out fighting. I keep thinking how the race would have gone if he hadn’t had such a bad day on Stage 3.




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    • @MangoDave

      I agree regarding Froome. He is a bike racer, period.




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    • Froome is surely a champion. i was rooting for him to win this Vuelta. he’s taken so many shots at this race, you know this was a big deal for him.

      i mean look at the guy. he looks like a survivor of some POW camp. he’s walking the walk, in terms of what it means to be a Tour champion. maybe he’s even redefining the term. he, Bardet, and Contador have made this a very interesting summer.




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    • He still looks terrible on a bike winky smiley




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    • @Cary

      Re-reading the Hardmen and wonder whether Froome will make it to the next one. When Sky mentioned he wanted to take the double, I thought, OK that will happen and soon he was already leading the GC as if it was effortless. I think a bit more drama and showing of a bit more suffering would improve his image.He’s a good cyclist for sure.




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    • @KogaLover

      Froome is a champion, of that there’s no doubt. One of the great GT riders? Certainly, and a Giro win would cement that. Hardman? Hmmmm . . . not so sure. Age will catch up with Froome and as dominant as he has been, he’s not getting younger and the competition seems to be stiffening.

      I’m still very meh about him though. He doesn’t get me as emotionally engaged as say Dumoulin, Bardet, and a host of other riders.,




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    • @chris

      Agreed. I think this year, in both the Tour and Vuelta, the victories didn’t come quite so easily. I think if he wins a GT with a scrappier, come-from-behind performance, that’ll win over a lot of folks.




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    • Ok, ok. I’m a bit busy at work and don’t have time to pen an article on this. While Froome’s Tour-Vuelta double is amazing, it pales into comparison to Giovanni Battaglin’s 1981 Vuelta-Giro double. Fortunately, the good old “comic” Cycling Weekly has done the honors.

      http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/grand-tour-doubles-giovanni-battaglin-825

      Impressive or what?




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    • @wiscot

      super impressive. also impressive, this year’s Il Lombardia route: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/il-lombardia-returns-to-the-muro-di-sormano-and-como-finish/

      if it’s a dry race, this will be one for the ages.




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    • Cary replied 1 month ago

      from Iljo Keisse’s Kamioenschapp van Vlaanderen Strava. this parcours looks like a LOT of fun. 195km or rollers. yes, please!




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    • Cary replied 1 month ago

      *of rollers.. lolz




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    • Hey all! Sorry I’ve been MIA of late. Changed jobs at the end of June. My daughter’s high school golf season was August-September. Just had a lot of stuff going on. Fortunately, time enough to ride. Just ticked over 4,000 miles for the year yesterday, so everything after that is a bonus. My and rest of the PEZ crew’s thoughts on El Pistolero’s retirement. I know Alberto can be a bit of a polarizing figure, but I can’t help but like him. Cheers!

      http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/adios-alberto-the-pez-crew-looks-back-at-his-best/#.Wc1hCkyZPdQ




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  • This week we are currently in is the most boring week of the year. After three weeks of non-stop Tour de France coverage, we slip, without any warning whatsoever, back into the doldrums of loving a sport that […]




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  • frank wrote a new post, Route Finding 3 months, 1 week ago · 

    I have memories of my life before Cycling, but as the years wear slowly on my mind their edges become less pronounced, like water wearing away at a sharp stone. My memories of Cycling, which start at the age of […]




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    • the older i get, the less appetite i have for “adventure”. my life has been “adventurous” enough already, is my usual train of thought. nevertheless, i am always thrilled when i get an opportunity to go ride somewhere else. twice a year, i get the hell out of town for a weekend to go do something new on my bike, or at least do something i don’t do often. gotta freshen the well somehow.




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    • Reading this as an avid MTBiker it has a completely different taste. Though Velominati is rather road cycling realm cycling opens another universes once you are willing to leave paved roads and to go for uncharted paths in the woods. And yes, finding the way on the map and then making the hypothesis reality is certainly one of the great pleasures in cycling.




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    • I don’t take many journeys by bike, car or train without craning my neck at a glimpse of unknown tarmac, wondering ‘where does that road go…?’.

      I’m also completely obsessed with maps – spend a lot of time on Bing maps with the Ordnance Survey maps turned on, looking for those squiggles.




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    • Being a former avid boyscout, I still enjoy scrutinizing maps.

      Yet, as Switzerland is still not my homecountry, and me not always having a fair idea where I am (with almost every village -even the one where I live- ending with ****-ikon , like Buttikon, confusing!) I tend to be less adventurous (ok, the risk of meeting sudden unanticipated and steep hills just around the corner, stuck in the big ring, plays a wee role as well). But, when back in the Netherlands, where I have no fixed routes, and more familiar with the topography, I ride as far as I want anywhere and then turn back. Going there as from Saturday this week!




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    • @KogaLover

      this is always fun i like doing things this way. i’m not a huge fan of maps, really, as i looked at enough of them in the Marine Corps to last well into my next life.




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    • When I’m out and about locally, I like to follow the mantra of “I don’t know where I am, but I’m not lost.” The beauty of the States is that most roads (well, here in WI at any rate), are usually on a grid pattern so getting totally lost is kinda impossible so long as you have a decent sense of awareness and direction.




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    • Great article! I love maps and still use them, considering I don’t have a gps device on my bike and still use a basic cell phone.

      Oh man, the only way I can stand the frequent trips to eastern NC to visit the in-laws is by looking at all the country lanes running along the new highways, wishing I was on a bicycle and not in a car. With all the crazy motorists, I find myself riding more and more on the quietest routes and at really off-peak hours. Besides, nothing beats starting a weekend morning with a nice two-hour loop, back before the VMH is even out of bed.




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    • mapped 58mi allroad route December 2015 because I had sent my frame to Toronto – no riding, may as well map a route – perfected this *essential route* thru 2016 – motivated to collaborate, sponsor and support it as The Saluda Roubaix race April 2017 – overheard race director David Hall with his team, “have no idea how he found some of these roads.” P.S. can someone figure out how to define *essential route* for the Lexicon here




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    • fotos via UNPULL




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    • @Pali65

      I once crashed while on a wanderlust of sorts on my mountain bike and for a brief moment thought I might have to call my wife for help. I had more panic from the idea that I would have to describe where I was as “I’m right here” than from any injuries.

      I found the spot on the Maprika app and since it wasn’t called “nearly broke my hip rock” I could point out the trails to her “just in case.”




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    • Ron replied 3 months ago

      Ha, I have this weird issue where if I try to think about a route I haven’t ridden in awhile, I find myself getting confused. But once I jump on the bike, I find myself just going, not thinking, and getting it right. Relatedly, when someone asks me for driving directions I either a) can’t tell them how to go because I don’t know road names, as I’m watching drivers and trying not to get run over, not looking at signs b) can tell them how to go, but halfway through I realize my route isn’t all passable via car c) can’t tell them how to go since I live my life in a little bubble, going the same places daily/weekly. I’m a big time creature of habit.




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    • Cary replied 3 months ago

      @universo

      this looks gorgeous and fun. i did my first gravel ride in May, and it was awesome. hitting trails like this on a road bike at 40kph was pretty outrageous.




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    • VbyV replied 3 months ago

      This one was a few years ago. I love it when the pavement runs out.




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    • @Cary

      Yup. Gravel is fun. I did the Bear 100 in northern WI this spring. 180 kms – 90%+ on gravel. For the last 30 kms the man with the hammer was sitting on my stem laughing at me and slapping me in the face while laughing hysterically. I’ll miss the Hibernator 100 in October, but I’ll be back for the Bear next year. It puts all other century rides into some serious perspective . . .




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    • Cary replied 3 months ago

      @wiscot

      i don’t think i could do 180k on gravel. my ride in may was a hilly 105k and i was completely bonked for the last 12k.




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    • @Cary

      I hear ya! The Bear is pretty undulating with some pretty soft gravel most of the way. Many climbs have to be done seated otherwise your rear wheel spins out. The ride is unsupported. Four water stops (including one gas station) and that’s it. The forecast this year was between 80-100% chance of rain. Half the registrants (70 of 140) didn’t show,which is a big deal as it’s a pay-on-the-day gig. It started out chilly (mid 30s) and stayed dry until about a minute after we finished! Had it rained during the last two hours I’d have crawled into the woods to die and be eaten by whatever fancied my carcass. Good times!




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    • I like this topic. When the sign says Closed, I go there. Five by Five.




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    • As a former Moto tourer and aspiring bike tourer I am with you on the route planning. I used to be known as the navigator in my motorcycle riding group cause I knew all the best back roads, using you’re squiggly line theory :D




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  • Somethings gone amuck with the rest day swaps code. I’ll see if I can get them working in time, but worst case is that no one swaps, which is not a terrible worst case…




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  • I’m putting my money on the little pocket rocket from Columbia. Bardet is due to. I’m hoping my fifth place for Froome is giving him a higher place than he gets, but I want the points when he inevitably

    proves me wrong and wins.

    VSP PICKS:

    1. Quintana Roo
    2. Bardet
    3. The Door
    4. Aru
    5. Froome



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  • As many of you know, I write a monthly column for Cyclist Magazine where I answer Dear Abby-esque questions, and the most recent query pertained to whether I consider the Tour the best race of the year, or whether […]




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Pinot
      5. Quintana



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Fuglsang
      3. Quintana
      4. Froome
      5. Aru



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    • Porte FTW (fingers crossed!)

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Contador
      5. Aru



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    • Got to be time for another of us Aussies to go to the top step.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Contador
      5. Five faces



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froomie
      2. Fucking Quintana
      3. Pass the Porte
      4. Aru
      5. Pass the Pinot



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Aru
      5. Valverde



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. (hey) Froomey
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Fuglsang



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Vroem-vroem Froome
      2. POSH (Porte Out Starboard Home)
      3. V-ana
      4. Contador Toreador
      5. Bird’s song (Fuglsang)



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    • Error Please type something…What is occurring with my VSP picks?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Romain Bardet
      5. Fabio Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Aru
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Valverde
      2. Porte
      3. Bardet
      4. Pinot
      5. Benoot



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    • i would love to see Valvecap win the Tour, just to see how badly everyone would SHIT. lol




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    • @Cary

      He did say he was fully committed to supporting Quintana. Probably as usual by riding off up the road……….




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    • One of the the top 5 will crash or get sick or something but which one…but the gamble is to leave one out of the picks altogether. So controversially I’m going with Froomey not making it to Paris, not even running. Porte has peaked too soon, so that leaves it clear for Nairo.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Bardet
      4. Fugslang
      5. Mollema



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Contadoe



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Contador
      4. Quintana
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Fabio Aru
      5. Alberto Contador



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    • Fortress Froome and Skybots can be had this year.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome



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    • This is not the order I want them to win…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • Trying to think how to come up with a set that has a wild factor. I was thinking Quintana might lose enough in the TTs so moved him off the podium but then is Aru likely to rock the TTs without fitting a rocket pack? Ok the TTs are not long but……….so out with Aru and out with Contador. Somehow he hasn’t seem quite the same since overdosing on Spanish steak.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Birdsong
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Bardet
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador



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    • Not much logic in my picks, other than Froome can’t keep up his robotic performances indefinitely.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Valverde



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte



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    • I give up trying to use the boxes to enter my picks. Technology has failed me once again.

      1. Porte

      2. Froome

      3. Quintana

      4. Aru

      5. Contador

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte



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    • @Chickenmcnasty

      You are not trying to use IE are you?




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    • @Chickenmcnasty

      Also I see you got one pick. Don’t hit return between entries use the mouse or the down arrow key.




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    • Wishful thinking, mostly




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Froome
      4. Contador
      5. Valverde



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Bardet
      3. Valverde
      4. Chaves
      5. Contador



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    • the brain disagrees but this list is following my heart…




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Aru
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Quintana
      3. Froome
      4. Aru
      5. Bardet



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    • Hmm, I’ve very curious to see how I personally react to the Tour this year. With a 14 month old on hand, job, wife, grad school, etc. I barely have time to ride, much less watch cycling. I hardly paid attention to the Giro. I almost feel guilty that I’m not that into watching pro cycling these days. But, I’ve always been a person who tries out new things, can become immersed, then moves on. I hope this never happens with my joy of riding, but I wonder if the Tour will lure me back in. We’ll see.

      Kicks off on Canada Day, nice one for our northern buddies! I was on Prince Edward Island five years ago on my honeymoon. Damn, I loved the Gentle Island.




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    • @Ron

      Ron, if you don’t know about it, steephill.tv sounds like your answer. Lots of clips, highlights, photos, links to articles. The best place to go for one-stop Tour coverage. You could fit it in to your crazy scheduler somewhere!




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    • Here goes the usual shite guesswork. I just want a clean, competitive race with no accidents. A few more TT kms would be nice, but Prudhomme hates TTs despite the fact that the Giro is screaming at him that it makes for a better race.

      I’ll go way out on a limb and predict another green jersey for Pinchy.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Chavez
      4. Quintana
      5. Porte



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    • If you are watching on Sunday when it goes through Henri-Chapelle watch out for a bunch of folk in vintage kit. L’eroica Limburg are doing a ride over there from Valkenburg to watch it go through. I should be there hopefully, in Brooklyn colours.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Alberto Contador
      5. Fabio Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Froome
      4. Bardet
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Chris
      2. PORTE Richie
      3. QUINTANA Nairo
      4. ARU Fabio
      5. CONTADOR Alberto



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    • Nice open Tour by the look of things,

      Potre best on paper at this stage but has a habit of loosing time when he shouldn’t.

      Valverde I good form too – might light it up and make it interesting!

      Hard to leave El Pistola off this list but too many guys i the mix!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie “1 bad day” Porte
      2. The faces of Nairo Quintana
      3. Froomacil
      4. Pinot Noir
      5. Valverde



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    • I would love Richie to win but I think for him to win his team has to be perfect and I just don’t think BMC have it…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Nairo Quintana
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Chris Froome
      4. Fabio Aru
      5. Romain Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Aru
      3. Bardet
      4. Porte
      5. Contador



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    • @wiscot

      Also, technically you are in the breeding and blimping stage of life so…




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Bardet
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Contador
      5. Aru



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    • Bardet tin, Pinot out.

      not sure why I put Pinot in originally. Got my French favs mixed up.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie “1 bad day” Porte
      2. The faces of Nairo Quintana
      3. Froomacil
      4. Bardet
      5. Valverde



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    • question: has there ever been a grand tour team stacked deeper than Team Sky for this Tour? Froome’s lieutenants would be team leaders elsewhere.




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    • Froom will win it I guess.

      My choice would be Valverde, but the reason I will watch le Tour is Sagan and his show & pursuit of another Green jersey.




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    • @Pali65

      Sagan truly animates every event he participates.




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    • @Erik

      That was almost a poem.




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    • I think Froome will pull his best form out of the hat to beat Bardet and Porte in the last week.

      Quintana looked tired in the Giro and I don’t see him racing fresher.

      But what do I know?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador



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    • @RobSandy

      Given that the only difference between our picks is that you’ve gone for Froome over Bardet, I think you’ve probably nailed it.

      Or fucked it up just slightly less horribly than I have.




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    • @frahronk The v-site is broken, paragraphs don’t work and it’s infected with nasty little social media likey likey things. /newpara If we must have social media buttons, can we have a little “that’s shite” turd button?




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    • @chris

      I’d love it if Bardet won the Tour. But like I’ve said before, never bet on the guy you want to win.




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    • @chris

      Best thing is, the ‘Like’ buttons don’t work either!

      Suits me, I don’t like anything.




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    • @RobSandy

      They seem to work for me, I’ve just liked your post. Perhaps the system recognises your likeless, cynical soul.

      Disclaimer: I only clicked like to test it. I generally do my liking anonymously, in private and elsewhere. I am British, after all, and wouldn’t want anyone to see me show emotion.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nairo Quintana
      2. Alejandro Valverde
      3. Richie Porte
      4. Warren Barguil
      5. Dan Martin



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    • Interesting interview with Froome on the Beeb – has some detailed observations

      about going in to the pain cave: http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/40436886

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Fuglsang
      5. Bardet



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    • Froome wins, that’s what he does. Seen the Sky team? You could start a war with that lot, three of them capable of a top five or even a podium.

      Tempted to pick Porte over Quintana for second but I think the Movistar machine will swing it for the impassive Colombian.

      The rest? Pick any two from a dozen or so rising stars, nearly men, and super-domestiques

      .

      VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
      3. PORTE Richie
      4. BARDET Romain
      5. ARU Fabio



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    • @Teocalli

      Much envy

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Vroem-vroem Froome
      2. POSH (Porte Out Starboard Home)
      3. V-ana
      4. Contador Toreador
      5. Bird’s song (Fuglsang)



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    • @Teocalli

      Should be amazing! Next year I’ll be at Limburg (although I doubt it will be close to the tdf next year–but one can hope!).




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Quintana
      3. Froome
      4. Bertie
      5. Valverde



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    • @chris

      I like your idea, but 95% of what’s on Social Media is generally classifiable as “shite.” I like to think the V-site shite is a better class of shite. Designer shite if you will, for a discerning audience.




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    • I guess as a Brit I should be rooting for Froomey/Sky but the last few months shenanegins make me not want to see another tour dominated by the Sky Train.




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    • @chris

      @sthilzy

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Froomey
      3. Quintana
      4. Porte
      5. Pinot



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Aru



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Contador
      5. Aru



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    • Going with some non-obvious choices. Time will tell if there is enough chaos for this to come to pass.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Jacob Fugslang
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Roman Bardet
      4. Nairo Quintana
      5. Alejandro Valverde



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    • Astana has two guys. Does that work? Cannondale has all the US rep’s. I like Cannondale. Quintana and the double… that’s gotta be tough. TdF starts with a TT and at same time

      I’ll be in Louisville watching the USAC Juniors race for Nat’s. Louisville will be infinitely more fun. Cheers all.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. PORTE Richie
      3. BARDET Romain
      4. QUINTANA Nairo
      5. CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto



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    • @Geraint

      i was thinking the last Grand Tour team as deep as team Sky was maybe ’71 Molteni, with Swerts, Bruyere, Huysmans, Deschoenmaker. when you’ve got four champions for lieutenants, anything less than victory is a surprise.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Pinot
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Fulsang
      5. Bardet



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    • Bit obvious…but here goes!




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Alberto Contador
      5. Alejandro Valverde



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Thibault Pinot
      3. Froome
      4. Bardet
      5. Quintana



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    • Why is it that no one eve asks me to take part in studies like this?




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    • @chris

      And that is hard to believe !




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    • @Randy C

      The results of the study are hard to believe or it’s hard to believe they didn’t ask me?




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    • @chris

      An athlete of your caliber would almost certainly skew the results.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Bardet
      5. Fugslang



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nairo Quintana
      2. Alejandro Valverde
      3. Alberto Contador
      4. Fabio Aru
      5. Richie Porte



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    • Hsrd to pick against Froome

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Valverde
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador



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    • @RobSandy

      A fairly low calibre. Theres enough other stuff sloshing around in there after last night that you probably struggle to find any EPO.




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Fuglsang
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet



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    • Let’s just hope there isn’t too much overdoing it with the yellow and green bits, beyond the jersey itself.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Aru
      5. Quintana



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Contador
      5. Aru



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    • Cant wait




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Alejandro Valverde
      4. Romain Bardet
      5. Jacob Fuglsang



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    • @chris

      Maybe I meant Kalibe then. Although that’s alcohol free…




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    • @RobSandy

      Kaliber.

      joke ruined by fat fingers…




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    • This list has a kinda familiar

      ring to it

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome Dog
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Clenbutador
      5. Adam Yates



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    • I’m hoping for some exciting racing, though my picks aren’t very exciting.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome, Chris
      2. Porte, Richie
      3. Bardet, Romain
      4. Quintana, Nairo
      5. Aru, Fabio



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Aru
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Porte
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Nairo Quintana
      3. Alberto Contador
      4. Romain Bardet
      5. Adam Yates



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    • Here goes nothing

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Contador
      4. Fuglsang
      5. Aru



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    • I’m putting my money on the little pocket rocket from Columbia. Bardet is due to. I’m hoping my fifth place for Froome is giving him a higher place than he gets, but I want the points when he inevitably

      proves me wrong and wins.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana Roo
      2. Bardet
      3. The Door
      4. Aru
      5. Froome



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Bardet
      3. Froome
      4. Quintana
      5. Fuglsang



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Valverde
      3. Contador
      4. Fuglsang
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. R. Porte
      2. C. Froome
      3. E. Chaves
      4. R. Bardet
      5. Valverde



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    • Crazy with Contador.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Contador
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet



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    • Best moment of last year’s edition ? Was it Froome attacking over the top for big descent off the front or was it Froome and Thomas hitching on to Sagan and Bodnar for an attack off the front ? Either way, anyone seeing Teams Porte, Nairo, Bardet pulling off that kinda race action ? We shall see… anyways, The Sky Train/Froome Fortress, unless misfortune strikes, is very, very strong.

      btw @chris hard to believe the idea put forth that it doesn’t work !!!

      cheers all




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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • @wiscot

      If by “discerning” you mean “shite,” then yes.




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    • What the heck. Froome is already older than Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault and Indurain were when they won their fifth Tours. So’s Valverde, but I’m picking he and Bardet can get something from the descent finishes. With less than 40km of time trials the race is made for Bardet, but Valverde looks smarter and more durable to me…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Valverde
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Froome
      5. Chaves



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    • After sitting out the Giro because my picks did not register, and then delgadoing the Tour de Suisse, I am jumping back into the fray. Although, my picks seem rather lemming-like… And we’re off for a three-week adventure just like that.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Froome
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Robert Gesink
      5. Alberto Contador



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Bardet
      4. Contador
      5. Quintana



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    • Gah, having such an off year. Shots in the dark…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Nairo Quintana
      3. Romain Bardet
      4. Richie Porte
      5. Alberto Contador



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    • Predictable choice. Expecting Quintana to be the ‘nearly man’ once again.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Pinot
      4. Contador
      5. Bardet



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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Quintana
      5. Aru



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    • Holy shit. Just remembered at the last minute. Literally figuratively the last minute!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Aru
      5. Izagirre Ion



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    • Ya’ll watching the start of this TT? Raining, wet and all the corners and road paint. Nacer Bouhanni may as well get off his bike and walk around the corners as fast as he’s taken some of ’em. And he’s making a catch too ?!? Super exciting… yahhhnnn… Wouldn’t that be classic suck yes? Day 1 and someone finds themselves a pile of time back after they dump it in a wet slick corner full of road paint.




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    • Not that far away in Valkenburg and its pissing it down and has been since the early hours. Would have had an epic ride this morning but managed to take a wrong turn – again and did the bleedin’ short course – again. Somewhat miffed as along with another guy we are sure we didn’t miss a sign but clearly we must have. Oh well, off to see the TdF go by tomorrow.




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    • @Randy C

      Valverde down and slid in the barriers hard – didn’t look like he was getting up anytime quickly.




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    • One down. More proof that it never pays to bet for or against Valverde. Hope he’s not too injured. Looked like a hard fall.




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    • As much as I truly detest Malmerde and wish that he would just go away from cycling forever, I never wish him any harm or that he will crash.

      Hope he is fine and not hurt too awfully bad.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Broken kneecap. Sounds painful.

      On the plus side, Go G! I am absolutely made up for the guy, especially after the Giro. Stage win an Maillot Jaune, probably for a good few days too. Legend.




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    • That was a stupid start to the TdF… So, the main goal of the opening stage for the racers was to stay upright ?? And here we are with an entirely upset set of circumstances to kick everything off as a result of a stupid course that had no business being raced in the rain. Wonder if anyone setting this up thought, well geeze, wouldn’t this be a real beauty if it rains ? Stupid stage. My opinion.




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    • Richie Porte looked like a mightily relieved man.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      why do people dislike him? is it the doping connection, or is he some kind of arrogant among arrogants? this isn’t a troll, i’m asking an honest question. he doesn’t seem any better or worse than many of the other higher profile pro tour riders, to me.




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    • @Teocalli

      At least you got 100k in; I got zero… How many heightmeters?




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    • This could be perfect, Thomas follows team orders and rides in support of Froome but with only a few mountain stages has no jour sans, finishes with him everyday and wins.




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    • @ChrisO

      relieved not to crash?




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    • @Cary

      For most it’s the way he skated through Puerto under full protection of the Spanish Federation – http://www.velominati.com/racing/how-the-mighty-fall/ and has since seemed to get better & better despite advancing years…




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    • @Mikael Liddy

      very interesting. i had noticed that some riders seemingly skate through untouched, while others are hammered. i have been quite unaware Spain’s national federation had behaved this way.




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    • @Cary

      Sorry, just seeing this.

      It is the completely unrepentant doper who is obviously still on the sauce and doesn’t bother really hiding his past or showing any concern or shame about it. Not to mention the way he attacked like FUCK Cuddles flat that cost Cuddles the Vuelta and gave Malmerde the victory.

      The guy has no class or integrity or honour and is everything that is wrong with the sport and everything that the sport is trying to cleanse itself of and get ride of.




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    • For our TdF excursion we had what I believe was an official TdF Photo bike. He’s a few of the pics he took as the TdF went through. Either side of this wee storm it was a nice day.




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    • @RobSandy

      Exactly. The ITV interviewer grabbed him on the turbo and asked was he happy to get through and Porte just couldn’t have agreed any harder.




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    • @ChrisO

      He was probably also relieved that he won’t have the pressure of being anywhere close to leading the race. He gave away The Tour in the first stage.




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    • @Rick

      He’s let quite a big time gap open to Froome already which he’s going to have to work hard to close. 30 odd seconds is never trivial.

      I’m not surprised any of the other main contenders didn’t finish closer to the top of the stage rankings, but I’m surprised that none of them were any closer to Froome – didn’t a lot of these guys beat Froome in a TT in the Dauphine?




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    • @RobSandy

      Sky are winning because they used very cheaty skinsuits on Stage 1. Or so some FDJ aligned French boffin has alleged.




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    • @chris

      Apparently, they have been used in competiton prior to The Tour and have been approved by the UCI.



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    • @chris

      Touche.




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    • Changing the subject, anyone know why Kwiatkowski was wearing black while the rest of Sky are wearing white? Is that some sort of cheat too?




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    • @RobSandy

      If you are referring to stage 2, I thought he was wearing a black rain jacket. I don’t recall whether he was wearing black during the ITT.




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    • @Rick

      I’d also assumed it was a Gabba type rain jacket.




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    • @chris

      I believe that Phil mentioned that he was wearing a black rain jacket.




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    • @Rick

      I am convinced that he was wearing what looked exactly like a black version of the jersey that the other riders were wearing. I noticed a different Sky rider wearing a black gillet with the white sleeves of the jersey sticking out, but I’m sure Kwiatkowski was all in black.

      Now, of course, I can’t find any photos to back up my claim.




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    • @Rick

      This is the best I can do – that’s Kwiat just ahead of Froome. Looks to me like a normal jersey but in black. Also noticed he was wearing a different helmet.




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    • @RobSandy

      Good find. I thought it was a black rain jacket but not sure. Perhaps he forgot to get his white jersey in the laundry?




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    • @Rick

      Not convinced. It doesn’t seem to have the new Sky Castelli horizontal line motif seen on the Aero Race jersey but does seem to have the relatively thick horizontal black pocket trim across the tops of the pockets of the Gabba 3.

      I think being the club kit secretary has turned me into a bit of a spotter…




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    • @chris

      Nice find. That makes sense as I believe that riders who are not in approved kit are fined. Latitude is given for rain gear in bad weather.

      Not that it matters but I saw a podium photo of Sky for the top team presentation. Eight were wearing white while the only non conformist was wearing yellow.




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    • Sagan unclips and STILL wins. what an animal!




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    • @Cary

      Not the first time. Believe 2015 WC championships saw a similar Saganical (i coined that word back then but never made it to the Lexicon)




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    • Sagan is a phenomenal rider but he looks like a fucking clown.

      In the name of all that is holy… what was he wearing around his neck. Pink ski goggles? The cap looked stupid enough with his hair doing a comic turn, he really didn’t need to accessorize it.

      Sorry but I just can’t feel the love, however many bike races he wins.




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    • @ChrisO

      The goggles that he wore on the podium were not worn during the stage. He was wearing traditional black framed shades when he crossed the finish line. He may well have been wearing pink ski goggles on the podium. I am 100% sure that this was sponsor mandated as they were plastered with the company logo. I would also be willing to bet that the podium hat was sponsor ordered as well.

      It is hard to argue that he sometimes looks like a clown. Below is a photo of him at the UCI awards last year. I find him refreshing and entertaining and am willing to let Peter be Peter. I think he is the best ambassador for the sport in decades.




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    • BTW: I meant to post that on the other thread with the backstage pass…




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    • @Buck Rogers

      To do him some credit (which I’m sure you wont agree with) he was riding hard to try and do the Movistar double-threat of having Valverde and Quintana both as GC contenders.

      But everyone else rode that corner and 1 rider crashed there. That’s not dangerous conditions, that’s someone overcooking it.

      What are the organisers going to say? “Sorry lads, bit wet out, everyone take it easy”. We don’t want that.




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    • Fuck! Sagan just took Cav out badly! Curious as to how badly they punish him?




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Yes, I am a big Sagan fan but that was unacceptable.




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    • @Rick

      Yup. I have always loved Sagan but that was really bad. Relegated to last on the stage for sure, I wonder if anything other punishment?




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Shit, they are describing it on live text. Sounds like Cav has done a collarbone, tour over?

      What about G? Anyone else get taken out in either crash?

      The more racing I do, the more pro bunch sprints shit me up.




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    • @RobSandy

      Thomas and Froome looked fine across the line.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Fuck Sagan. That was unacceptable. He put Cav into the barriers with an elbow. I don’t want to hear any bullshit about “Oh, I had to or I was going to crash myself” – Sagan is probably the best bike handler in the peloton. He should be thrown out of the race – but they won’t because he’s good for ratings and world champ.




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    • @wiscot

      Exactly what I was thinking and it makes me cringe to think it. They will not throw him out b/c he is WAYYYYY to popular but man, that was pretty vicious. Cav was questionably trying to get throw an opening that was closing but Sagan just fucked him straight into the barriers. No excuse.




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    • Via Twitter:

      1m

      Selon @BorjaCuadrado, la Dimension Data demande l’expulsion du Tour de France de Peter Sagan, pour son geste sur Cavendish. #TDF2017




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    • @Rick

      “RT @SophieSmith86: Roger Hammond and Rolf Aldag remonstrating with judges after Cavendish crash. Hammond calling for Sagan to go home. #tdf…”




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    • @wiscot

      From the overhead Sagan had a lot of space to his left so there’s no way he can try to use that as an excuse.

      Cycling News are saying there was some sort of tiff going on between Sagan and Greipel over Sagan being a twat in the intermediate sprint.




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    • Disqualification, relegation or a haircut and a ban on trucker caps?




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    • Cav was actually in front of Sagan so no way he didn’t know he was there. It wasn’t Sagan’s space.

      But the other thing to look at in that finish is Demare. He comes three metres to his left in the last 10-20 and nearly takes Bouhanni out as well, who just manages to check and avoid Demare’s rear wheel.

      But of course they aren’t going to DQ the first French sprint winner in more than 10 years.

      Funny that French TV hasn’t shown the usual overhead shots.




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    • @ChrisO

      You mean the same Demare that climbed into the backseat of his team car to get up the Cipressa when he “won” MSR in ’16??? Nah, no one would ever question him.




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    • @chris

      All three???




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    • @RobSandy

      Thomas did go down in the earlier crash but looked like he scrubbed a lot of speed before going over the debris of the crash. Could not spot whether Froome went down or just got held up.




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    • According to Cycling News Sagan docked 30 seconds: 18:06:08 CEST

      Here is the revised top 10 on the stage after Sagan’s demotion.

      1 Arnaud Demare (Fra) FDJ 04:53:54 2 Alexander Kristoff (Nor) Katusha-Alpecin 00:00:00 3 André Greipel (Ger) Lotto Soudal 00:00:00 4 Nacer Bouhanni (Fra) Cofidis, Solutions Credits 00:00:00 5 Adrien Petit (Fra) Direct Energie 00:00:00 6 Jurgen Roelandts (Bel) Lotto Soudal 00:00:00 7 Michael Matthews (Aus) Team Sunweb 00:00:00 8 Manuele Mori (Ita) UAE Team Emirates 00:00:00 9 Tiesj Benoot (Bel) Lotto Soudal 00:00:00 10 Zdenek Stybar (Cze) Quick-Step Floors 00:00:00




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    • @ChrisO

      It must be a first for Brouhaha not to have cause a sprint finish controversy?




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    • @Buck Rogers

      or Four????




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    • @chris

      Rest assured, he nearly took out Greipel but that was prior to the Sagan incident. Greipel’s rear wheel flailing all over the shop as he struggles to get back on his line.




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    • Demare says that Sagan is being penalised 80 points. Not sure if that is official or not?




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    • In a GIF that I unfrotunately am unable to post but can be viewed here: Daniel Vassbund @Smoothedan It appears that Cav’s handlebars hit Sagans forearm and push it and the elbow forward.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      My understanding is that Sagan is penalized 30 seconds so he forgoes the 30 points from today’s stage. In addition he is penalized 50 points for a total of 80 points penalty.




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    • Twitterati now reporting Sagan has been expelled from the TDF for dangerous riding.




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    • @Rick

      According to the BBC Sagan is disqualified.




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    • Wow! Kicked out? Really?

      I agree with relegation to last, fining him, taking away a shit load of points but DQ’ing him?

      I don’t agree with that. A bit BS if you ask me.

      Those dudes are crazy with elbows and fighting for position, whatnot in the sprints. Not saying what he did was at all okay, but to throw him out … too much in my opinion.




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    • I think Sagan was at fault but DQ is too harsh… relegation and loss of points would have been enough.

      And I still want to see an overhead to look at Demare’s move.




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    • They were both in the wrong, it seems to me. Sagan veered off his line, and Cav was going for something that wasn’t there. He was going down either way, I reckon. DQ is too harsh.




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    • Make of it what you will. https://streamable.com/t/j7gqb

      The whole bunch had veered to the right. It seems to me that Sagan feels Cav up on him, sticks the elbow out to protect himself / keep balance (Cav already going down).

      Was he DQd for the elbow? That didn’t cause the crash. Was it for the line? He was riding his line parallel with the rest of the bunch, more or less, who had all been veered right behind Demare. Whatever the reason or reasons, a DQ is BS.

      Hope Cav isn’t as banged up as he seems to be, and that tomorrow’s drama is confined to an eventful GC battle.




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    • @stooge

      That’s an interesting video analysis.

      The jury should have looked at Demare’s line, too. He had a clear path to the finish line ahead of him and instead veered abruptly to his left.




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    • @stooge

      It starts too late.

      I agree it wasn’t the elbow that sent him down but the video needs to start while they are under the shadow of the tree – that’s when Cavendish is next to Sagan, who then moves across on him.

      And Chris Boardman also made the point about Demare. How can you DQ Sagan and do nothing to Demare?




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    • Interesting tweet from Greipel:

      Sometimes I should watch images before I say something. Apologies to as I think that decision of the judge is too hard.




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    • does anybody else remember Sagan’s shoulder check on the Kemmelberg a few months ago?

      a DQ is maybe too harsh, today, but he’s gotten away with his share of unnecessary physicality in the past. he’s wearing a world champion jersey. people are going to notice him first.




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    • It is now being reported that Cav is out with a broken shoulder.




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    • Rule #59 violation is the reason for Sagan’s DQ. Bit too harsh I guess.

      http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#59

      Remember Cav’s silver medal in RIO?

      https://youtu.be/869ytxoJsF8




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    • Cav officially out of Tour now according to team tweet:

      Unfortunately, @MarkCavendish has been forced to withdraw from #TDF2017.




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    • Sure seams to me like Cav was making a line where there wasn’t going to be one. And the only way he was gonna get thru was to put his head and shoulder in to Sagan (reminds me of stage 1 in UK). Sagan gets bumped to the left and his right elbow’s gonna swing out to counter.

      So, the tour so far:

      1) Stupid stage 1 leaves Movistar shortchanged and main GC contenders at 30 sec disadvantage cause they chose not to bomb around tight turns w/wet road paint on TT bikes.

      2) Cav and Sagan out.

      3) Barring misfortune the Sky Train could win with either Thomas or Froome.

      Too bad the women’s Giro isn’t being televised.




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    • The whole incedent might have taken 1.5 seconds. Should descisions made by instinct and body movements that are in reaction to very small forces be judged from poor camera angles by people who have no experience of those speeds and situations? The jury may have been too hasty. Not that they don’t have experience but they too are probably working with the same camera angles.

      I am of the opinion that Cav was too aggressive and got caught out. His leaning into Sags is the start of the chain of events. Why did that happen? Not because of Sags. The elbow may be physics at best or defensive at worst I do not think Sags did I it to get rid of the competition.




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    • An after thought, I like them both – a lot. They both have class and a sense of humor while being fucking pro both on and off the bike. They are friends and know that this is pro racing. My bet is that they will go on as usual. This is just unfortunate for both.




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    • @Rob

      terribly so. some of these finishing stretches in grand tours lately are terribly technical. racers are going to race. sprint finishes look great on TV, and there are a LOT more top speed guys in the peloton now than ever before. there are a dozen Abdujaparovs, Cippolinis, and McEwens contesting every finish now. a certain amount of this carnage is inevitable, with things as they are.




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    • Give me a break!!! Cavendish knows the issues with a stage at the end…. Sagan did not throw an elbow or take him out…… I have had more sever bumps in a social recovery ride at my local bike shop on a Saturday AM !!!!!!

      Saga has been disqualified…. geeeez….just move on…… If everyone on the tour had the same thing (punishment) dolled out to them for bumps..elbows here and there and several other “SO CALLED” unacceptable behaviors there would be about the riders left in the tour….

      FUCKING GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is racing NOT a FUCKING knitting circle!!!!! If you can’t handle the bumps, and elbows, cut-offs etc etc …then get off the M—EFFING BIKE!!!!

      In other words SEE RULE NUMBER 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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    • @Duntov

      Did you read as far down as Rule #43?




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    • @chris

      Yup most of the comments here and on the rest of the ‘net do not go far enough back. The elbow was not the issue Sagan came straight across to where Cavendish already had the space and the wheel and rode into him. Maybe a DQ was a bit much but it did put another rider out so on that context it could be called fair. Another thought may be to have a points and time deduction plus a Yellow Card where another Yellow would result in a DQ.




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    • @Duntov

      I think you need to look in a mirror wrt your penultimate para.




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    • @Randy C

      You still banging that drum?!

      No-one was disadvantaged – if you’re a bike racer and you choose to ride slower than other guys in the same race you’re not going to win!

      If anyone was stupid it was Valverde for overcooking it into a tight corner in the wet.




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    • @chris

      That number of exclamation marks alone is a clear Rule #43 violation.




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    • @RobSandy

      That and excessive use of Caps Lock.




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    • @chris

      I DON’T SEE THE PROBLEM




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    • I won’t bore you with my analysis of the sprint, I’ve got nothing to add not already said. I will say, as sad as it is to see Sagan and Cav out, incidents like that are part of what makes cycling and the TDF great. If I want no contact and clean speed in marked lanes I’ll watch athletics. I love the chaos, the confusion, the complexity of slightly technical finishes. Sprints have always been dirty and juries always inconsistent – I like having something to analyze and argue about. When wax the last time the first week was crash free? It’s part of what makes the tour amazing. I’d hate to see a tour with nothing but clean sprints that test nothing other than speed. I can’t wait to see how today’s stage pans out and to see how the battle for points takes shape over the next week.




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    • @Cary

      There’s always been a bunch of quality sprinters and always been carnage. McEwen wrestling Cooke on the line in Paris for the green anyone? It’s not like those guys were winning every sprint by lengths or crashing on every sprint – it just seems that way through the mists of time. I think you’re both right – they’ll be back and thru won’t change how they ride, and a certain amount of carnage is inevitable.




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    • @dyalander

      bloodsport is fun until it surpasses its ability to pay for itself. an individual like Sagan, Cavendish, or in days gone by, Cippolini or McEwen, is bigger than the arena in which they participate. or Lance Armstrong was right about everything he’s currently villified for.




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    • @Cary

      It’s hardly a blood sport; I haven’t really expressed my point very well. Clearly the element of danger contributes to the spectacle. I’ve seen a lot of people posting that Sagan’s DQ has ruined the spectacle. My point is simply that it is the spectacle. Even the inconsistent jury decisions – it all adds interest. I wouldn’t want to make it more dangerous but nor would I want to sanitize it either.




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    • @dyalander

      it is, and i agree. as a fan, though, i’d rather have a Cavendish or Sagan, in one piece, contesting for the duration of the race, than to lose both in one throw. i’d hate to see the Tour turn into a meat grinder that cannot differentiate between prime beef and horsemeat.




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    • the best thing that could happen from yesterday’s stupidity would be if Sagan were to take this as an opprortunity to reinvent himself, as Jalabert did after Armentieres in 1994.

      clearly, he’s going to struggle to win BIG races, just like Lemond did. everyone in the peloton will knife each other in the liver to get his wheel in a classic. he animated almost the entire spring season, and has nothing to show for it. he’s the most talented all around rider of his generation. what could he do if he weighed less, for example? the sport is really his oyster.




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    • @RobSandy

      Oooh . . . you do like to stir things, don’t you? (You know what here!)




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    • @wiscot

      WHAT?




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    • @RobSandy

      wot ;)




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    • Damn, Aru did the business and looked the business today. That Italian champ’s jersey looked very sweet with minimal graphics. Kinda old school and the bike and helmet were nicely done.

      Dan Martin looked good too. I think this will be a great Tour if riders like Aru and Martin adopt an aggressive approach to things. Noting ventured, nothing gained guys . . . and the Green Jersey competition might actually be exciting . . .




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    • @wiscot

      Fucking love Dan Martin. Old school rider. Not very polished but I would rather drink with him than almost anyone in the pro peloton. Really hope he manages to get a stage win or two.

      And yes, great stage today. Aru did look really great.




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    • @chris

      I think @RobSandy was just demonstrating the proper implementation of Rule #43 there.




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    • @TheVid

      Unless we have another outbreak of Terry Pratchett coming round.




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    • @wiscot

      Here is hoping that Aru and Martin can animate what is setting up to be another Sky snooze fest. Regarding the Maillot vert, I am looking forward to an interesting competition and hope anyone but Demare or Bouhanni wins. Nothing against the hosts but I just don’t think either of these sprinters are Rule #43 compliant.

      Maillot vert




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    • @wiscot

      Yep, great attack, and he looked fantastic. Never been a big fan – his descending efforts in the 2015 Giro, among others, brings back memories of several face-palm moments – but I love the way he goes after it when he feels good. During the Giro, I learned of the amazing lengths he went to to get enough racing as a junior, travel wise, and that increased my respect for the guy. He certainly isn’t lacking in the heart department. Was great to see Martin finish so strongly, too. That’s gotta boost his confidence for a good result.

      Froome’s little blistering turn of speed looked ominous. Porte looked good too, apart from grinding that big gear again when he took over. Contador and Quintana looked tired. A lot of folks aren’t fond of the course, but I liked the TT start – if you didn’t show up ready, you were gonna lose time and couldn’t just build up slowly til the last half of the tour. And there looks to be a lot in it for the more punchy riders. I think the GC might be more interesting than some expected. Hope so

      Chaves lost some big time. Form was unknowable, but I thought he might be in with a chance for top 5. I picked him in lieu of Aru. Doh!




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    • @stooge

      And, though the green jersey comp may turn out to be an exciting one, in twenty years time, rightly or wrongly, whoever wins it will be recalled as the guy who won it that year Sagan was DQd. So whoever wins it better win it real good.




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    • @stooge

      To finish first, first you have to finish.




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    • Funny enough Slovak TV bought the rights for airing whole stages and Slovaks are so pissed off that no one wants to watch Tour de “Fraud” anymore… Conspiracies about “French wanted a French Green jersey winner, but they had to eliminate Sagan first, DD owner part of the TdF organizers team, etc…” are all around.

      As I see this, the long series of Cav sending fellow sprinters to the deck was finally punished as expected. Only a pity that Peter got the bill. He wanted 7 consecutive Maillot vert trophy and that feat is apparently over.




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    • @Pali65

      There are all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories getting around about Sagans DQ, let alone opinions of the incident itself, and from all corners of the globe. I was just reading about how it is the French and the English that are conspiring behind the scenes. It is a reminder of how much reach the TDF has, and that a huge part of the audience only really follow racing once a year (a fact not forgotten in the DQ decision itself, I’m sure). It’s all quite amusing.




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    • @wiscot, @Buck Rogers, @stooge let’s just get one thing clear. While Aru’s bike, kit & accessory choices are all correct ingredients for looking fantastic, none of that makes up for the horrific manner in which he actually drives the bike along.

      He makes Froome’s stem staring, spider humping a lightbulb, pedalling action look attractive!




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    • @Mikael Liddy

      You’ll get no argument from me. Double that when descending. Triple it if it’s wet.




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    • @Pali65

      Is there actually – ” the long series of Cav sending fellow sprinters to the deck “. I’m not counting but my impression is that he’s the one hat seems to mostly end up on the deck.




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    • @Mikael Liddy

      I think Dan Martin also looks pretty horrific when he’s laying down the V. The only one of the contenders I’d actually enjoy watching is Bardet – hope he does well.




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    • Where’d I get the +1 badge from? I think I preferred my VSP leader’s Rainbows…




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    • @RobSandy

      Isn’t that because he’s borrowed Shane McGowan’s teeth?

      Image result




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    • @stooge

      There is no Anglo French collusion to discredit Sagan or contrive to place a Frenchman in Green after years of hurt caused by English domination of yellow. None whatsoever. And there was no digital manipulation of the finish line photos.




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    • @RobSandy

      Your role in Pirates of the Caribbean in another thread.




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    • @chris

      Brilliant!




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    • @Teocalli

      Arrrr!

      @sthilzy started it anyway.




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    • @stooge

      Nah, nah, nah. I’d still rather watch Aru any day. Being Italian rather than Kenyan/English, there’s a bit more passion to the boy.




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    • @chris

      Wow! Shane’s teeth look pretty good in that pic! Usually they look like an abandoned graveyard. While I’m here, I have to brag about seeing the Pogues twice in 24 hours back in the early 80s. They played the Queen Margaret Union at Glasgow Uni on a Friday and didn’t finish until after midnight. Then, on Saturday night they played the Barrowlands in Glasgow’s east end. I don’t think Shane was sober the entire time!

      Lend me ten pounds and I’ll buy you a drink . . .




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    • WTF? I hear talk that Bora want Sagan reinstated. Ye cannae dae that! He’s out. He’s missed at least two stages. What kind of precedent would it set? This is not a rider missing a time cut through injury or illness. The race jury threw Sagan out for dangerous riding. Ok, so he are Cav are having a bit of a lovefest over it, but Pinchy is out. It’ll be a huge mistake to let him back in.




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    • @wiscot

      Lawyers are involved. I do not think they expect him to be reinstated that is just their opening bargaining position. The Bora council’s claim is that by rule a rider can only be expelled from the race if he is given the chance to present his case and Sagan was not given this chance. My guess is that they are ultimately looking for monetary damages from the UCI and/or ASO.




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    • @wiscot

      His team will have to drop back 2 stages and pace him back up.




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    • @wiscot

      Have you seen the reports of Cav and his family getting abuse on social media. There are some truly sick people out there.




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    • @Teocalli

      I have indeed. There are some positive things about social media – and some very bad things as well. Being able to hurl despicable invective anonymously being the chief expression of the latter.




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    • @Rick

      Bora might have a case for damages for lost PR/media exposure. Sagan gets a lot of press and that is now lost. They can’t reinstate him though. The UCI will happily say to ASO – “this one’s all yours.”




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    • @Pali65

      Great story. Glad they came around to the joke.




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    • @wiscot

      I heard that if the fine is less than 200 francs that they need not consult with the rider.

      As for social media, I think team directors taking to twitter, making allegations of violence, and dictating what must be done, prior to any decision, is way out of order. I get that emotions are high, but there should be a rule around this sort of thing, and it too needs to be enforced.

      It’s a shame it has ended up in court.




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    • Copied and pasted from UCI Cycling Regulations:

      12.2.006 The Commissaires Panel may judge the matter only if the offending party has had a chance to defend his point of view or if, being present when summoned, he fails to respond.




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    • Have you seen Demare forcing his way around Katusha guy in the sprint no matter what? Is this negligence to hit the brakes business as usual or a dangerous reckless riding? Any penalties due?




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    • @Pali65

      Demare has done that twice now. I have to believe that if he was not French there would have been penalties. I don’t understand how they can kick Sagan out and not punish Demare for the Tuesday stage. Then he veered off of his line again today.




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    • @Rick

      Today Demare kinda kept his line, but he should have been relegated for cutting off Bouhanni on Tuesday. But he’s French and this is Le Tour. Patriotisme!




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    • http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a-statement-from-cyclingnews-contributor-philippa-york/

      Chapeau to Phillipa and all the best. And let me be one of the first to say “fuck off” to the inevitable haters who are about to crawl out from under their rocks. Even in 2017, it takes a lot of courage for a high profile person (particularly a former sportsman) to come out in this way. Good luck and best wishes with your new life.




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    • I hope we don’t see any haters around here, wiscot. One thing I find pleasant about cycling is that the fans/participants seem to be a bit more educated and open-minded than the average American ball sports fan.

      With the scary political, environmental, and economic situations going on around the world, my need to care about personal choices of individuals is so far down on the list of things I think we need to be discussing. I really don’t care what bathroom someone wants to use when we have a moron potentially provoking nuclear war.




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    • @Ron @wiscot I’m sure there’ll be haters but hopefully not here.

      The abuse Cav and his family have received suggests it’ll be inevitable. I hope not.

      @Phillipa York Chapeau and all the best. I still look forwards to your columns.




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    • @RobSandy

      Even with his whole team he’ll never catch up. Not now they’ve lifted the road closures.




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    • @chris

      Indeed. For all the fun we have at our own and each other’s expense around here, I like to think we keep things a bit more mature than some other sites that invite postings/comments.

      I’ll be very, very disappointed if we get any Pippa haters on here.




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    • @chris

      I understand correctly he left for Monaco with his wife? He might not want to come back.




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    • @chris

      Arrr, tis be a joke you scurvy sea-dog!




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    • @RobSandy

      You need to change your username and icon thingy if you’re going to carry on with this piracy malarkey.

      Although I’m not sure how you’d keep it cycling themed. @Seaman Sandy’s Scratchy Chamois?




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    • @ChrisO

      I’m sure Cycling Weekly would have preferred the name Robert Millar to be used, purely for promotional purposes.

      Obviously I have no direct experience but I’d imagine a transition of this kind is much more of a ‘whole life change’ than getting married, so any link to the previous part of one’s life (even if just by a name) probably feels like a negative one.

      I don’t know but I can see why Phillipa has made this choice.

      On another, related note, I remember reading rumours about this a long time ago. Hopefully Phillipa has an easier and happier time now it’s been made completely public. I think she’s been very brave, it’s clearly not a decision that’s been made lightly and I wish her all the best (but I will continue to remember her days as a badass racing cyclist with fondness).




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    • @chris

      May I suggest Captain Pugwash?




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    • @Randy C

      I’ve been thinking that it is relatively easy to conceive a semi soft barrier with a soft landing zone behind that could be uses in the last few hundred meters of potential sprint stages. The idea being that crashes go over the barrier rather than bouncing back into the roadway.

      Would be easy to transport to each day. What is would need is a designate amount of space in a finish area particularly width free of obstruction but that may be no bad thing. The downside is for spectators as you may end up with no spectator space left and the spectacle reduced to F1 with massive run off zones.

      I thought that barriers with projecting feet had been eradicated in the finish zone anyway but seemingly not from the ones the other day.

      It could also be that weird result that the safer you make it the more dangerously the riders ride.




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    • @wiscot

      Roger the Cabin-Boy




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    • @RobSandy

      Aye, aye, Seaman Staines!




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    • @Pali65

      Will be visiting our office in Bratislava coming Tuesday, so I am keen to hear what the sentiment about Sagan is.




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    • I don’t think it would be difficult to design. The sort of heavy padded blocks they have in children’s ballpits or around rugby goalposts for example could presumably be adapted and stacked in a vehicle which could lay them out in stretches pretty quickly. Or could be fitted over the barriers like a sleeve perhaps.

      But I suspect part of the problem is scale and cost. How many sports are there where you need a long continuous barrier which simultaneously separates spectators and protects human bodies impacting at 50-60km/h? I can’t actually think of anything else.




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    • @ChrisO

      Skiing?




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    • Though I’m not sure that drilling holes in the road for the flex-posts and catch netting is necessarily a good idea………




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    • What’s the French for “won it by a baw hair?”

      C’mon ASO, get crazy – give the stage a joint winner. I’m a big Kittel fan but I like Eddy BH too. That would have been sweet to give a joint victory. I don’t think either would have minded and it’s good PR and a nice trivial question for the future.




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    • “Trivia” not “trivial”. D’oh!




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    • @Teocalli

      A really good night out?




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    • @wiscot

      Yeah I thought that too. That was taking technology too far.




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    • @chris

      or @RobScurvy?




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    • @Teocalli

      If ASO can produce a photo with enough resolution to clearly show Kittel as the winner, then fine. Otherwise, it’s a tie. Of course, too bloody late now. Imagine how much fun that would have been to have Der Pompadour and Eddy B on the podium together. It would have been a superb “feel-good” moment for the race, the riders and the fans.




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    • @wiscot

      Come on guys, it wasn’t even that close:

      According to L’Equipe, the Tissot time keepers have calculated Kittel’s winning margin as just 0.0003 of a second or just 6mm in distance considering the speed he was travelling.




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    • @Rick

      The post regarding the time above reminds me of this classic:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4upY8UWrsU




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    • @Rick

      Hadn’t seen that one before! Olympic Hide-and-Seek? Seems as legit as some of the shite that are now recognized as Olympic “sports.”




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    • @wiscot

      Ditto. Brilliant. Who won the tie break?




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    • @Rick

      I concur – on both fronts.




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    • @wiscot

      Then you should be comfortable with this outcome, which Kittel won by almost a full quarter of an inch. ;)

      I read that the camera at the finish line takes 10,000 frames per second. They put that technology to use today.




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    • Kittel is really going well. can he climb well enough to keep the maillot vert all the way to Paris?




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    • also, this year’s sprint finishes are the hairiest i can remember seeing in any grand tour in my lifetime. could the three second rule have backfired? with less pressure on GC contenders, is there a clearer path in the closing kilometers for the various sprint trains to really pour it on?




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    • *three kilometer rule..




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    • @KogaLover

      Be prepared that everbody is a cycling expert in Slovakia nowadays and it is completely certain that Sagan is 100% innocent. But you can show a great insight in our matters when you claim that previous government of Mrs. Radičová (read Raditschova) is to blame. Let me know then how it went… :)




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    • @Cary

      You either were not following Le Tour in the late 80’s/early ’90’s or you have long term memory loss. I do not think that any cyclist or sprinter today can match The Tashkent Terror Abdoujaparov for amazing crashes and crazyarse sprints!

      Dude is still full on sprinting in that first pic, right through the barrier!




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    • @Buck Rogers

      They used to call him Abdu-push-em-off.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nt4x3nuzfQ




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    • @Rick

      Ha! Yup, he is the undisputed Argy-Bargy-Craziest sprinter in the history of cycling!

      Guy was Fucking NUTS! No fear at all!




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Seeing that crash on the Champs still gives me chills.




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    • @Rick

      And the crazy thing about it. as you can see in the vid that you posted, was that he put himself into the barriers! No one was even within a fucking foot of him!

      And as for recent crashes–did you see how Museeuw managed to stay upright even with being totally put into the barriers when Abdu closed the door on him? Cav could learn a bit from him.




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    • Will Damare make it through today – 5 mins out the back and a long way to go……




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    • @Teocalli

      the answer may depend on how close his team car is.




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    • @Rick

      Ha! You beat me to it!!!

      Demare(d) will need another fucking “Cipressa Ride”!




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Abdu was one nutcase among other more rational riders. Bouhanni was knocking people around yesterday at 2km to go while Kreuziger led the peloton at 70kph. we’re a LONG way from Cippolini and Abdujaparov grabbing jerseys here.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Abdu was one nutcase among other more rational riders. Bouhanni was knocking people around yesterday at 2km to go while Kreuziger led the peloton at 70kph. we’re a LONG way from Cippolini and Abdujaparov grabbing jerseys here.

      the second pic is Armentiere in ’94. Abdu didn’t cause that, the cop and Wilfried Nellisen did.




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    • @Buck Rogers

      Ha Ha!




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    • @Rick

      @9:55 with 105 Km to go – team car must have broken down too………




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    • @Teocalli

      Wow, even with a generous elimination time he may see zeros on the clock if he makes the finish line today.




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    • @Rick

      @14 mins now with a group including Luke Rowe.




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    • @Teocalli

      From Letour live updates:

      14:36 Démare at fifteen minutes

      Arnaud Démare is sick but he hasn’t pulled out in the feed zone. He’s going on, helped by his team-mates Mickaël Delage and Ignatas Konovalovas. The Frenchman is encouraged a lot by the crowd on the road side. He’ll try to reach Les Rousses in the time cut.




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    • Assuming “sick” means he is allergic to the mountains.




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    • @Rick

      Ha!

      Oh man, I love karma.




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