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  • I know as well as any of you that I’ve been checked out lately, kind of like Luke Skywalker hiding away on Ahch-To. But unlike Luke – who cut himself off from The Force – I haven’t cut myself off from The V, so I […]

    • The guns maketh the sock.

      (hello, old friend!)

    • Of course—and I know this is really what you’re after: those socks would even nicer if they were white.

    • Holy fuck!  Let me be the first to say that it’s good to hear from you.

      I’m not sold on the neon socks and shoes, but I’m very conservative in that department.  I feel they clash with the rainbow bands.

    • Incidentally: the summer’s footwear will appear thusly. It helps with my left and right.

    • Holy shit Frank, welcome back.

      Sagan can do what the fuck he likes. The end.

    • A-Merckx  I had to check the date there twice.

      Just waiting for Summer……..

    • Well, well, well. Nice to see you back!

      Me? Pure white Shimano R9s are just waiting for their maiden outdoor ride. (I live in WI, so it might be a while.) And, as always, socks will be white, or maybe, just maybe, black, but no colors FFS. This is not the 80s and we are not riding mountain bikes.

      Speaking of shoes, I’ve a sweet pair of blue and white Sidis looking for a new home at a keen price. Size 44.

    • Hey @Frank – how’s the shoulder?

    • Praised be Merckx! So good to see a new post from you Frank that I decided to finally register after years of silent sidelines-watching the site.

      Thought that Velominati has gone the way of the dodo!

      Regarding Sagan: He’s a rockstar, can do whatever the fuck he want, but he’s wearing the rainbow bands, FFS! Black shoes and white socks (with no rainbow bands, mind you) should be mandatory for world champions.

      Happy to see the site and @frank alive and well again.

       

    • Holy shit @Frank’s alive!

      Awesome. Now let’s get this site back on track, sort your mates out, I’ve no doubt they earned it and let’s say the last 7 months were just a dream.

      Socks black or white. None of those fashion statement things please.

    • Well, this is a pleasant surprise.  I assume it was because of all the nostalgic music posts this week that inspired getting the band back together.

      I will be wearing white, traditional length socks for this weekend’s rides.  I’m no Sagan, after all.  On a good day I might be able to out sprint his grandmother.

    • @MangoDave

      Well, this is a pleasant surprise. I assume it was because of all the nostalgic music posts this week that inspired getting the band back together.

      I will be wearing white, traditional length socks for this weekend’s rides. I’m no Sagan, after all. On a good day I might be able to out sprint his grandmother.

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      I will be wearing white, traditional length socks for this weekend’s rides.

       

      Merckx bless you sir, bless you.For you are clearly a righteous man.

    • @Tomás Leal Elgueda

      Praised be Merckx! So good to see a new post from you Frank that I decided to finally register after years of silent sidelines-watching the site.

      Thought that Velominati has gone the way of the dodo!

      Regarding Sagan: He’s a rockstar, can do whatever the fuck he want, but he’s wearing the rainbow bands, FFS! Black shoes and white socks (with no rainbow bands, mind you) should be mandatory for world champions.

      Happy to see the site and @frank alive and well again.

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      dildo more likely than dodo

    • What a pleasant surprise. Just happened to check in, half expecting to see the broom wagon. There’s a place on the internets for this place. What’s next? Cameo appearance from Lance?

    • Frank. Sagan. Socks.

      Life’s good.

    • White sox and black shoes are soooooo uncool… really ? Cheers all

    • @RobSandy

      Holy shit Frank, welcome back.

      Sagan can do what the fuck he likes. The end.

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      I agree Sagan could wear socks with tassels on the back, who the F are we to say. Although I think neon wear can only be worn if you can lay enough smack down to where your friends are unable to heckle you from the throw up in their mouths…

    • Yo Frank! Rule #28! Going to get me some fluoro now!

    • @frank Well at least we know you have internet access… how about using it to email us.

       

    • Good to see you back Frank.  Kind of like old boys weekend here.  Where’s the keg?

       

    • @xyxax

      Come now: we are not animals.

    • @blau

      It only seams reasonable that the right sock height remains at the narrowest point of the leg, a few cm above the ankle. There, the shape of the leg keeps the sock in place without any need for tight elastic bands at the end. Also, they are long enough to be clearly visible, but still let the legs themselves be the main focus of attention, as they should.

      You nailed it my friend; you got your physics and physicals synched.

      @Teocalli: I also thought this was another rerun of some old articles and seeing “2018” for the first time on this site made me blink several times (OK, is also early Monday morning in the office).

      @Steampunk: Presume you have 2 pairs of these shoes, right?

    • @Steampunk

      Incidentally: the summer’s footwear will appear thusly. It helps with my drive-side/non-drive-side.

       

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      Fixed your post

    • @Steampunk

      @xyxax

      Come now: we are not animals.

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      You’re right. Animals would not increase their sock height as the varicose veins head north.

      @MangoDave

      @Steampunk

      Incidentally: the summer’s footwear will appear thusly. It helps with my drive-side/non-drive-side.

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      Fixed your post

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      Always having one greasy shoe and one clean tells me which foot they belong to.  Is that only me?

    • @xyxax

       

       

       

      Incidentally: the summer’s footwear will appear thusly. It helps with my drive-side/non-drive-side.

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      Always having one greasy shoe and one clean tells me which foot they belong to. Is that only me?

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      Seems like you’re doing something wrong!  Never had that problem.

    • @MangoDave @KogaLover

      I’m with @xyxax on this one. If I could interchange the shoes, I’d lose track of everything. One pink. One yellow. Any more than that would be excessive. And extra weight.

       

       

    • @xyxax

      I learned when I were nowt but a kid that my left shoe and right shoe were different shapes.  I guess that’s wa edukashun  duz fur yer.

    • @Teocalli

      @xyxax

      I learned when I were nowt but a kid that my left shoe and right shoe were different shapes. I guess that’s wa edukashun duz fur yer.

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      Now, see?  I got learnt when I was but knee-high to a grasshopper that there were dextrorotatory and laevorotatory optical isomers of a thing called a “shoe”.

      So I went barefoot.

    • oh, and I forgot:  NOSE MAGNETS

       

    • @xyxax

      Me nose is big enough as it is already, thank you very much

    • I know that I am in the minority, however, I still wish the tall sock thing would just die and go away.

      It is like a perpetual bad penny from the supreme twat waffle…

       

    • @Robert Sobon

      I know that I am in the minority, however, I still wish the tall sock thing would just die and go away.

      It is like a perpetual bad penny from the supreme twat waffle…

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      I’m proud to join you in that minority. I even find socks covered in logos offensive. Plain white, or maybe black is the way to go.

    • @wiscot

      To me, the best cuff length is that of Assos. The Spring/Fall sock is what I am thinking of specifically. And, as a benefit to you, little in the way of logo…

    • @Frank Great to have you back and to see some new content! Keep it coming and make it something more substantial than an AOP! And sort things out with your fellow keepers if its not too late.

      Socks: White in the summer and dark charcoal woolie boolies in the winter. Not short but certainly not too long. Winter height should be appropriate to your shoe covers.

      Whilst I’m not a massive fan of dayglo socks at all, Angus is and I’m reluctant to intervene; he’s young and needs to express himself. It also stops him stealing my socks. Especially my V-socks. Especially for ‘cross. I’m also failing miserably at preventing him from riding in non-cycling socks.

      His usual retort is that we’ll have the sock conversation when I can keep up with him.

      Non-cycling sock abuse:

       

      Dayglo monstrosities

      V-Sock Theft

       

       

       

    • @chris

      Remind him who used to wear Nike socks………?

    • @Teocalli

      @chris

      Remind him who used to wear Nike socks………?

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      I think he’s trying to look Euro. It’s a Thing.

      Our juniors go on about it all the time. One of them rode the last club hill climb in a long sleeve baselayer with bib tights over the top, full finger gloves. It was Euro.

       

    • @RobSandy

      @Teocalli

      @chris

      Remind him who used to wear Nike socks………?

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      I think he’s trying to look Euro. It’s a Thing.

      Our juniors go on about it all the time. One of them rode the last club hill climb in a long sleeve baselayer with bib tights over the top, full finger gloves. It was Euro.

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      Bib tights over the top of what? Not his LS base layer? That sounds fucking hideous.

      I hadn’t realised Euro was a thing with the young people. Angus has never mentioned it but he’s a Youth rather than a Junior. Maybe that is still to come. Perhaps they’re referring to this.

      Euro brings to mind Italian teams with arm and leg warmers that match the main colour of their jerseys and a billion sponsor logos. And absolute overkill when it comes to scarves, buffs and snoods. Fortunately, Angus has recently ditched his red legwarmers.

    • @chris

      @RobSandy

      @Teocalli

      @chris

      Remind him who used to wear Nike socks………?

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      I think he’s trying to look Euro. It’s a Thing.

      Our juniors go on about it all the time. One of them rode the last club hill climb in a long sleeve baselayer with bib tights over the top, full finger gloves. It was Euro.

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      Bib tights over the top of what? Not his LS base layer? That sounds fucking hideous.

      Yes, and yes. It was baffling.

      I hadn’t realised Euro was a thing with the young people. Angus has never mentioned it but he’s a Youth rather than a Junior. Maybe that is still to come. Perhaps they’re referring to this.

      Euro brings to mind Italian teams with arm and leg warmers that match the main colour of their jerseys and a billion sponsor logos. And absolute overkill when it comes to scarves, buffs and snoods. Fortunately, Angus has recently ditched his red legwarmers.

      Yep, that’s the thing. And lots of fluoro.

       

    • @RobSandy

      @chris

      @RobSandy

       

      Our juniors go on about it all the time. One of them rode the last club hill climb in a long sleeve baselayer with bib tights over the top, full finger gloves. It was Euro.

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      Bib tights over the top of what? Not his LS base layer? That sounds fucking hideous.

      Yes, and yes. It was baffling.

      Usually, I’d have suggested that it was because he was Welsh and it may have had something to do with sheep but you would have thought the Welsh cycling youth of today would know better given the sterling efforts of Geraint Thomas as a role model.

    • @chris

      That kid has the eye of the Tiger about him! Looking mighty pro for one so young. Good on him!

    • @xyxax

      NOSE MAGNETS

      Are we moving on from nipple lube. This doesn’t sound as comfortable.

    • @chris

      Our juniors go on about it all the time. One of them rode the last club hill climb in a long sleeve baselayer with bib tights over the top, full finger gloves. It was Euro.

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      Bib tights over the top of what? Not his LS base layer? That sounds fucking hideous.

      Yes, and yes. It was baffling.

      Usually, I’d have suggested that it was because he was Welsh and it may have had something to do with sheep but you would have thought the Welsh cycling youth of today would know better given the sterling efforts of Geraint Thomas as a role model.

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      I’d have taken the piss out of him more but even at 15 he can rip my legs off any day of the week so I doubt he’d have cared.

    • @RobSandy

      I’d have taken the piss out of him more but even at 15 he can rip my legs off any day of the week so I doubt he’d have cared.

      I’ve got the same problem with Angus he is about to turn 15 and will happily rip my legs off.

      It’s eight weeks until RVV. We’re riding with a few other A Group riders from the club. I haven’t been on the bike for a month due to a kidney stone and it feels like all the good work I’d put in before Christmas has ebbed away. I’m hoping to get the all clear to train early next week but it’s going to be hard to achieve the sort of form I’m going to need to keep up.

    • @wiscot

      @chris

      That kid has the eye of the Tiger about him! Looking mighty pro for one so young. Good on him!

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      Thanks. He’s at that age where he’s beginning to care more about how he looks on and off the bike. He’s also getting quite good at turning himself inside out racing and training. He was in bits after last nights FTP test.

       

    • @chris

      @wiscot

      @chris

      That kid has the eye of the Tiger about him! Looking mighty pro for one so young. Good on him!

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      Thanks. He’s at that age where he’s beginning to care more about how he looks on and off the bike. He’s also getting quite good at turning himself inside out racing and training. He was in bits after last nights FTP test.

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      The Force is strong with this one.

      Is his FTP higher than yours now? Must be a sobering moment when that first happens.

    • It’s certainly higher than my last test and things will have only got worse since then. He also has the advantage of being considerably lighter than me – if I’m going to ride up hills with him, matching his FTP won’t be sufficient, I’ll need to be 20% up on him.

      A 20% increase on where he is now is doable but he’s only just started ramping up his training. Who knows where he’s going to be by August when we’ll be on holiday near the Pyrenees.

      I don’t need any sobering thoughts, the kidney stone thing has been sobering enough.

       

    • @Frank  Welcome back!! And the shoes shall be white…unless it rains!

    • I know I’m probably in the minority here, but love Sagz’ shoe/sock combo. Of course, this from the guy willing to wear this shoe/sock combo.

    • @xyxax

      I suspect some bike maintenance is in order.

       

      Welcome back @Frank

      I’ve been plaintively checking the site but to no avail…

    • @Phillip Mercer

      In the same vein as the response “Just wear socks” when I complained long ago to a roommate about dirty floors, I may just switch back to wearing black shoes and socks exclusively.

      @chris

      @xyxax

      NOSE MAGNETS

      Are we moving on from nipple lube. This doesn’t sound as comfortable.

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      Nothing could ever replace nipple lube, a substance that I also somehow manage to get all over my shoes and socks.

       

      sigh…

    • Look: a post.

      I am one with the V; the V is VVith me.

    • Ok, fine. Hello Frank et al. Wonder if Sagan will ‘sock’ it to them at next week’s Omloop Het Nieuwsblad! I thought about this at length, for which I undoubtedly deserve to be cuffed.

    • @starclimber

      Ok, fine. Hello Frank et al. Wonder if Sagan will ‘sock’ it to them at next week’s Omloop Het Nieuwsblad! I thought about this at length, for which I undoubtedly deserve to be cuffed.

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      It may be hard to tell as I suspect there will be many pairs of Belgian booties being worn!  The question is, will Sagan “hose” the opposition?

    • @wiscot

      @starclimber

      Ok, fine. Hello Frank et al. Wonder if Sagan will ‘sock’ it to them at next week’s Omloop Het Nieuwsblad! I thought about this at length, for which I undoubtedly deserve to be cuffed.

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      It may be hard to tell as I suspect there will be many pairs of Belgian booties being worn! The question is, will Sagan “hose” the opposition?

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      I’m giving you both a slow handclap for such terrible puns.

      On one hand, if Sagan is going well it’s like he can win these sort of races whenever he wants. On the other hand, these are the most unpredictable races and anything can happen.

      On another note, Spring is on the horizon in the UK. I rode in this morning at 7:30 AM in glorious sunshine with kneewarmers and thin overshoes instead of my full Flandrian best. Felt lovely.

    • @Frank

      VSP?

      I promise I wont mention that the 2017 VSP was never awarded either.

    • @RobSandy

      Snow forecast for the weekend of Strade Bianche in Siena – could do without that!

    • @wiscot

      @RobSandy

      Sagan’s not racing HN, so there’s as much chance of him winning as there is of a VSP happening, a new article appearing, customers getting kit and Keepers getting paid.

    • @Brett

      Sounds like a suggestion to add an additional name to the Lexicon definition of COTHO?

    • I just logged in and wrote this post to remind myself about how this oddball crowd taught me so much about cycling and therefore about life. I will be checking in for further developments.

    • @Brett

      What the hell happened to Fronk? FRAAAAAAAAAAAAANK! Pull out of it, man! Cobble up a Cogal, or something. ‘Please’. I might even attend, again. God help me.

    • @Brett

      @wiscot

      @RobSandy

      Sagan’s not racing HN, so there’s as much chance of him winning as there is of a VSP happening, a new article appearing, customers getting kit and Keepers getting paid.

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      You’re right!

    • @Marcus

      @Brett

      Sounds like a suggestion to add an additional name to the Lexicon definition of COTHO?

      Can’t add enough C’s.

    • I know the combo is horrible but I’s just gotta love me Rule #28

    • @KogaLover

      I know the combo is horrible but I’s just gotta love me Rule #28

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      Are you and ChuckP related by any chance?

    • @wiscot

      No we are not, but I dig his mix of colours. My usual sock choice is plain white though. These are the only non-old-skool socks I have.

    • @KogaLover

      @wiscot

      No we are not, but I dig his mix of colours. My usual sock choice is plain white though. These are the only non-old-skool socks I have.

      But we could be!

      I have a couple pairs of plain black (or mostly black) socks but no plain white. I actually need to get a pair or two of the latter.

    • Some other shoe/sock combos I dare to wear.

    • @chuckp

      What strikes me is not the fact that you wear these combos (way outside of my comfort zone btw, but respect!) but rather the fact that you make an effort to take pics of those. I can see you saving these pictures, and waiting for that solemn moment where you can finally post them…. Would be good for an AOP article or Freudian sockiology.

    • @KogaLover

      @chuckp

      What strikes me is not the fact that you wear these combos (way outside of my comfort zone btw, but respect!) but rather the fact that you make an effort to take pics of those. I can see you saving these pictures, and waiting for that solemn moment where you can finally post them…. Would be good for an AOP article or Freudian sockiology.

      For me, socks are like neckties. A way to make a “statement” and not slavishly follow the crowd or convention. But they don’t always have to be “loud” or “in your face.” For example, these Primal socks.

    • @chuckp

      @KogaLover

       

      For me, socks are like neckties. A way to make a “statement” and not slavishly follow the crowd or convention.

      “Yes, we are all individuals!”

       

       

      “I’m not.”

    • @chuckp

      @KogaLover

      @chuckp

      What strikes me is not the fact that you wear these combos (way outside of my comfort zone btw, but respect!) but rather the fact that you make an effort to take pics of those. I can see you saving these pictures, and waiting for that solemn moment where you can finally post them…. Would be good for an AOP article or Freudian sockiology.

      For me, socks are like neckties. A way to make a “statement” and not slavishly follow the crowd or convention. But they don’t always have to be “loud” or “in your face.” For example, these Primal socks.




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      Plus, making your escape from the kid’s playground can be good sprint training, depending on how irate the parents are…

    • @RobSandy

      @chuckp

      @KogaLover

      For me, socks are like neckties. A way to make a “statement” and not slavishly follow the crowd or convention.

      “Yes, we are all individuals!”

      “I’m not.”

      Anarchists of the world, unite!

    • Gentlemen!!! Some sense please!  I refer you to the amazing Tiesj Benoot at the end of the race where the only items that remained white were his socks and shoes!!! Pro!

    • @chris

      Bib tights over the top of what? Not his LS base layer? That sounds fucking hideous.

      I hadn’t realised Euro was a thing with the young people. Angus has never mentioned it but he’s a Youth rather than a Junior. Maybe that is still to come. Perhaps they’re referring to this.

      Euro brings to mind Italian teams with arm and leg warmers that match the main colour of their jerseys and a billion sponsor logos. And absolute overkill when it comes to scarves, buffs and snoods. Fortunately, Angus has recently ditched his red legwarmers.

      Fuck, I wasn’t ready for that.

    • and, Welcome back @Frank, good to see you peeping about. I too had concerns for the demise of the scriptures. I was starting to think there may be a need for a crusade.

    • @ClydesdaleChris

      and, Welcome back @Frank, good to see you peeping about. I too had concerns for the demise of the scriptures. I was starting to think there may be a need for a crusade.

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      Every ride is a crusade, brother.

    • My latest. Picked up a pair of Fizik R3Bs for cheap on eBay because they had some cosmetic blemishes. Qhubeka Charity socks from Versus (I got a pair in black too). I know … a little subdued for me, eh?

    • With the black Qhubeka socks.

    • @chuckp

      Looking good…

    • @chuckp

      Those hands look like they’re trying to pull your socks down to a reasonable height ;)

       

    • @MangoDave

      @chuckp

      Those hands look like they’re trying to pull your socks down to a reasonable height ;)

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      Agree, socks are too tall. The white of the white socks does not match the white of the shoes. Black socks are better.

    • @KogaLover

      @MangoDave

      @chuckp

      Those hands look like they’re trying to pull your socks down to a reasonable height ;)

      Agree, socks are too tall. The white of the white socks does not match the white of the shoes. Black socks are better.

      No … My legs are too short!

    • chuckp replied 1 year ago

      Newest kicks I’m reviewing for PEZ.  Lake CX402s. Look up their retail price! Heat molding for a custom-like fit. Stiffest yet most comfortable shoes I’ve ridden. But not lounge slippers off the bike.

    • @chuckp

      Wow, they cost! Never really get the heat moulding concept. I’ve had loads of off the peg cycling shoes, all have been comfortable but all have stretched and changed over time, which I take care of with the straps etc. Can you reheat and re-mould them after they have stretched?

    • Not sure if I posted this a while back but I’ve fitted a pair of these as I have a high arch that standard footbeds don’t reach.  Really impressed with the home custom ones.  Stick them in the oven till the indicator changes colour then pop them in your shoes, jump in, cook your feet till they cool and jobs-a-goodun.

    • @Teocalli

      Now that type of heat moulding DOES make sense to me.

    • @chuckp

      I do have a pair of Lake shoes, cheaper ones, and they are as comfy as my Sidis tbh. The CX402 sound great, but fortunately I got a pair of Sidi Laser Vernice at about 70% off at the end of last year; I’ve only used them twice, so that prevents me feeling the need to reach for my credit card and buy more Lakes.

    • chuckp replied 1 year ago

      @Steve Trice

      @chuckp

      I do have a pair of Lake shoes, cheaper ones, and they are as comfy as my Sidis tbh. The CX402 sound great, but fortunately I got a pair of Sidi Laser Vernice at about 70% off at the end of last year; I’ve only used them twice, so that prevents me feeling the need to reach for my credit card and buy more Lakes.

      When I think of Lake shoes, what comes to mind immediately is Andy Hampsten in the ’88 Giro.

    • @chuckp

      What a great photo that is. Isn’t the harrowed face of Cioccioli a throw back? Remove the headband, make the pic black and white, and he could be in a race with Coppi.

    • In Frank’s bio: “his interests outside of Cycling and drinking are Cycling and drinking”  Not entirely true.  You’re a guitarist as well!  I totally understand.  It complicates things a little when you struggle with the mind numbing choice of whether to spend part of your future retirement money on new wheels or that Mesa-Boogie combo that you’ve been lusting after.  Yes, this time I went with the Boogie and some pickups.

    • Today’s shoe and sock combo

    • His socks are too high.  Also, he needs some white shorts with the World Champion kit.  For guidance see the Cipo.  The end.

    • This is a test

    • Okay, now that we’ve addressed the bike and the rider, what about riding itself?
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 3: TAKE IT EASY, YOU’RE NOT A PRO. All this talk about “hardmen” (by the way, the book was a trifle, barely worth the effort) is irrelevant to you. So are Greg LeMond (his correct name) sayings, “V,” and the other lures to try to make you feel guilty about not pedaling like a crazed madman every inch (sic, dammit) of every ride. You are not a professional bike rider and never will be one. (Ignore this commandment if you are a professional bike rider, which is unlikely if you are reading this). Take it easy on your rides, relax, enjoy the scenery, don’t emulate everything the pros do (except for the few, it’s not a lucrative career path anyway). If it helps you ride, you can even use a motor. And while you’re at it, stop referring to legs as “guns.” It’s confusing, and besides guns are used to scare off possums and kill people.

    • Closely related is COMMANDMENT NUMBER 5: DON’T RIDE ON ROCKS. Cobblestones are an anachronism. There are better ways to build roads now. With few exceptions, you are not in Belgium (and even Belgium has paved roads), and you certainly are not Eddy Merckx (see Commandment Number 3). And why bother to ride “off road” or to seek out gravel (i.e., small rocks)? What’s so bad about nice, smooth pavement? What are you if you try to avoid it—a masochist? Do you also drive your cars into potholes? Sheesh, use your noggin.

    • I cannot overemphasize the next riding precept: COMMANDMENT NUMBER 6: BE EXTRA SAFE ON DOWNHILLS. Unfortunately, when you ride a bike, sooner or later, you are bound to crash—even if you have bike handling skills akin to Peter Sagan (you don’t, see Commandment Number 3). The higher the speed of your crash, the greater the probability of injury (and pain hurts). Conversely, the lower your speed, the greater your chance of avoiding a crash in the first place. All things being equal, you go faster on downhills as compared to flats or climbs. (It’s a matter of simple physics.) Thus, you need to pay extra attention to managing your speed on downhills. Apply Commandment Number 2 (Take It Easy), work your brakes often (what else are they for?), don’t try to pass, and you’ll make it just fine.

    • One got left off, out of order.   It’s a riding precept that is important but poorly understood:  COMMANDMENT NUMBER 4:  STAY OUT OF THE RAIN.  Didn’t your mother teach you anything?  You can catch a cold in the rain, or even pneumonia.  Moreover, wet roads leads to slips and crashes.  Why would you want that?  More to the point, why would you think it’s virtuous to make a special effort to ride in the rain.  Do you also rush to your car to drive in a deep snowstorm because it’s cool to fishtail?  Use your common sense.  Stay indoors, drink hot chocolate, and work on crossword puzzles.  It’ll clear up soon.  If you really must cycle, hop on your indoor trainer.  (It’s not an answer that the pros ride in the rain on race days, see Commandment Number 3.  Also, truth be told, the pros would like the day off too.)

    • In sum:

      The Cycling Commandments: The New And Improved Testament.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 1: GET A LIFE.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 2: NOBODY GIVES A CRAP.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 3: TAKE IT EASY, YOU’RE NOT A PRO.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 4: STAY OUT OF THE RAIN.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 5: DON’T RIDE ON ROCKS.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 6: BE EXTRA SAFE ON DOWNHILLS.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 7: OBEY THE TRAFFIC RULES.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 8: GET A HEALTHY BALANCE.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 9: SAVE YOUR MONEY.
      COMMANDMENT NUMBER 10: RESPECT THE ADVERTISERS.

    • @Stendhal

      … or just ride your bike to how you feel.

    • @sthilzy

      I could not have said it better.  Peace.

    • @Stendhal

      What a load of crap. Leave the site. Step away from the keyboard. You missed the comet. Don’t show up now and try to redefine the vibe. You might have better luck trying to redecorate Graceland.

      Cobbles an anachronism? Yep. Stick with that. Stay away. Roubaix? Flanders? Nothing to see here.

      You have so many golden ideas and such stellar writing. Why don’t you start your own site and build up a following for your original, witty and insightful commandments. I, for one would visit, well….never!

       

    • @Harminator

      The French diplomat Talleyrand said, “I never abandon a party before it has abandoned itself.”  Velominati abandoned itself.  What vibe is active?  My comments are obviously facetious although valid in some aspects.  If they stimulate this site to revive itself, so much the better.  I have a copy of The Rules signed by a principal author.

       

    • The faithful are still here. Just like the Force, the Velominati is not something anybody owns or controls, but an entity that binds our community together. We have no need for new Rules or new cult leaders. We seek suffering and the faint moments of glory (even if only imagined by ourselves) that result from that pursuit.

      @Stendhal has had his Martin Luther moment. He can now start his own site and those who care to follow are welcome to do so.

      It is worth nothing that Phil Gaimon has some “new rules” and his are actually funny. He’s got a great community, and I encourage you to try and troll that.

    • Need to get the “V” going stronger….. It would be great to have some new jerseys…… my older long sleeve winter jersey gets serious respect / comments….. what will it take to get he jerseys and this site going again???

      Regards
      Bill
      (Duntov)

    • @Duntov

      Need to get the “V” going stronger….. It would be great to have some new jerseys…… my older long sleeve winter jersey gets serious respect / comments….. what will it take to get he jerseys and this site going again???

      Regards
      Bill
      (Duntov)

      You’d have to get Frank to pull his head out of the sand and engage with his community again. Good luck with that.

       

      Pop on over to https://ontherivet.net/ while you are waiting though.

  • Peter Sagan has undergone quite the transformation over the years; starting as a brash and disrespectful neo-pro, he’s blossomed into one of the most exciting and charismatic racers in the bunch. A sort of […]

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Michal Kwiatkowski
      3. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      4. Fernando Gaviria
      5. Greg van Avermaet
    • Should be a cracker!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kwiatkowski
      3. Boasson Hagen
      4. Matthews
      5. van Avermaet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Julian Alaphilippe
      4. Micheal Matthew
      5. Peter Sagan
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      3. Phillipe Gilbert
      4. Greg Van Avermaet
      5. Julian Alaphilippe
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Fernando Gaviria
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Michael Matthews
      4. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      5. Elia Viviani
    • Fuck yeah triple. He’s been ill…but…still can’t bet against him.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kwitkowski
      3. GVA
      4. Boasson Hagen
      5. Matthews
    • It would be awesome if the VSP points for the second half of the season could be updated?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      2. Michal Kwiatkowski
      3. Peter Sagan
      4. Greg Van Avermaet
      5. Alexander Kristoff
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Three Pete
      2. Matthews
      3. van Avermaet
      4. Boasson Hagen
      5. Kwiatkowski
    • Clarifying…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Michael Matthews
      3. van Avermaet
      4. Boasson Hagen
      5. Kwiatkowski
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Wellens
      3. van Avermaet
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Gilbert
    • Finally some action again! Too bad there were no VSPs for the TTT and ITT.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Boasson Hagen
      3. Quiet cough ski
      4. Gv Avermaet
      5. M Matthews
    • the windmill’s on fire but can’t sprint if his life depends on it …

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Bling
      3. v Avermaet
      4. Trentin
      5. Dumoulin
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Van Avermaert
      3. Boassen Hagen
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Alaphillipe
    • @R00tdown

      Three Pete?  Clever.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. GVA
      3. Kwiatkowski
      4. Boassen Hagen
      5. Matthews
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Elia Viviani
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Michal Kwiatkowski
      4. Matteo Trentin
      5. Eddie Boss
    • 3Pete – After missing most of the tour he has only had this to work towards and when they tell him to win, he wins!

      lotto for the remaining spots as who knows how they will all go over the lumpy course which should have some breakaways.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Edvald Bosson Hagen
      3. Bling
      4. GvA
      5. Trentin
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg van Avermaet
      3. Michał Kwiatkowski
      4. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      5. Michael Matthews
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Greg Van Avermaet
      3. Michal Kwiatkowski
      4. Fernando Gaviria
      5. Edvald Boasson Hagen
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kwiatkowski
      3. Van Avermaet
      4. Michael Matthews
      5. Kristoff
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Matthews
      2. Sagan
      3. Van Avermaet
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Gilbert
    • All from a breakaway..

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Uranus R
      2. Dumoulin T
      3. Terpstra N
      4. Benoot T
      5. Martin D
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kristoff
      3. Boasen Hagen
      4. Matthews
      5. Van Avermaet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. kwiatkowski
      2. van Avermaet
      3. Peter Sagan
      4. Gaviria
      5. Michael Matthews
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. van Avermaet
      3. Boasson Hagen
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Gilbert
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Sagan
      2. Kwiatkowski
      3. Van Avermaet
      4. Matthews
      5. Boasson Hagen
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Peter Sagan
      2. Michael Kwiatkowski
      3. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      4. Michael Matthews
      5. Greg van Avermaet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Fernando Gaviria
      2. Peter Sagan
      3. Michael Matthews
      4. Michal Kwiatkowski
      5. Greg Van Avermaet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Kwiatkowski
      2. Sagan
      3. Van Avermaet
      4. Alaphillippe
      5. Matthews
    • I think Gilbert may slip off like Chantal B. but don’t have the guts.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Kwiatkowski
      2. Sagan
      3. GVa
      4. EBH
      5. Matthews
    • Shit, I’m so glad picks are still open! I totally forgot Eddy Boss. Shame on me!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Matthews
      2. Sagan
      3. Boassen Hagen
      4. Van Avermaet
      5. Kwiatkowski
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. GVA
      2. Bling
      3. Boss Hogg
      4. Kwiatkowski
      5. Wellens T
    • History was made. Our country is in the celebration mode now…

    • @Pali65

      History was made. Our country is in the celebration mode now…

      0

      Congrats and enjoy!

    • Does anyone know what happened to the TV feed in the last few kilometers? I watched for hours only to miss the last 3K. The French announcers were going nuts after Aliphillipe attacked then I watched the final corner, sans riders, for several minutes.

    • COMPLETELY AMAZING!!!  HOW DID HE MANAGE THAT??

    • @Rick

      A tweet said there was a power outage.

      And yes, hearing the French announcers nearly scream as Alaphilippe, only for the feed to go out and them still convinced he would enter into view with the lead at the flamme rouge fixed camera was a good bit of side theatre.

    • @xyxax

      @Rick

      A tweet said there was a power outage.

      And yes, hearing the French announcers nearly scream as Alaphilippe, only for the feed to go out and them still convinced he would enter into view with the lead at the flamme rouge fixed camera was a good bit of side theatre.

      0

      Thanks, figured it had to be something technical. The coverage was great all day until the end.

    • Missing part of race taken from helicopter:

      https://youtu.be/yaJGAboivHk

    • @Cary

      COMPLETELY AMAZING!!! HOW DID HE MANAGE THAT??

      0

      What he said. Invisible all day then pops up in 3rd wheel, 800m to go.

      What a racer.

    • @Pali65

      Missing part of race taken from helicopter:

      https://youtu.be/yaJGAboivHk

      0

      Thanks for posting. That was a heckuva race we missed live.

    • @JohnB

      It would be awesome if the VSP points for the second half of the season could be updated?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Edvald Boasson Hagen
      2. Michal Kwiatkowski
      3. Peter Sagan
      4. Greg Van Avermaet
      5. Alexander Kristoff
      1

      Nothwithstanding Lombardia, think this result might have it sewn up for me.

      I could have missed someone scoring highly and beating us both, of course.

    • @RobSandy

      Well, that “someone” certainly isn’t me! Good luck and I hope you come out on top!

    • i don’t think there will be a four-peat for Sagan next year in Innsbruck

    • @Pali65

      Missing part of race taken from helicopter:

      https://youtu.be/yaJGAboivHk

      0

      i watched this when you first posted it again, and i REALLY liked it for some reason.  now, after watching it again, i know why.  there’s no announcer yammering away in my ear, telling me shit i don’t need or want to know.  bike racing is even more beautiful this way.  years ago, Douglas Maicon scored a GORGEOUS goal against Juventus, and the first footage on the ‘net had no play by play.  i must have watched that goal a thousand times, no exaggeration at all.  still one of the most beautiful things i’ve seen in my life.

    • @Cary

      @Pali65

      Missing part of race taken from helicopter:

      https://youtu.be/yaJGAboivHk

      0

      i watched this when you first posted it again, and i REALLY liked it for some reason. now, after watching it again, i know why. there’s no announcer yammering away in my ear, telling me shit i don’t need or want to know. bike racing is even more beautiful this way. years ago, Douglas Maicon scored a GORGEOUS goal against Juventus, and the first footage on the ‘net had no play by play. i must have watched that goal a thousand times, no exaggeration at all. still one of the most beautiful things i’ve seen in my life.

      0

      i actually found the YouTube link.  imagine if all sport was this pure and beautiful to watch:

    • @Cary

      @Cary

      @Pali65

      Missing part of race taken from helicopter:

      https://youtu.be/yaJGAboivHk

      0

      i watched this when you first posted it again, and i REALLY liked it for some reason. now, after watching it again, i know why. there’s no announcer yammering away in my ear, telling me shit i don’t need or want to know. bike racing is even more beautiful this way. years ago, Douglas Maicon scored a GORGEOUS goal against Juventus, and the first footage on the ‘net had no play by play. i must have watched that goal a thousand times, no exaggeration at all. still one of the most beautiful things i’ve seen in my life.

      0

      i actually found the YouTube link. imagine if all sport was this pure and beautiful to watch:

      https://youtu.be/cwPoqd3t2wE

      0

      I have often wished for an SAP option of only crowd noise. I don’t need announcers telling me what is going on when I know as well, or better than they do. The crowd noise would enhance the experience and be a better option than simply muting all sound.

    • @Cary

      i don’t think there will be a four-peat for Sagan next year in Innsbruck

      0

      I remember reading some talk of the GC riders thinking this could be a WC for them. Froome, for example.

    • @RobSandy

      @Cary

      COMPLETELY AMAZING!!! HOW DID HE MANAGE THAT??

      0

      What he said. Invisible all day then pops up in 3rd wheel, 800m to go.

      What a racer.

      0

      he’s the stongest cyclist of this generation.  as Eddy Merckx famously said regarding MSR, “it is only the very strongest riders that will be able to contest the longer races.”  Sagan has more gas in the tank at the end of these types of contests.

    • @Rick

      A lot of the time steephill.tv will have a highlight video that is sans commentary. Always worth a look IMHO.

    • @wiscot

      @Rick

      A lot of the time steephill.tv will have a highlight video that is sans commentary. Always worth a look IMHO.

      0

      That is great to know, thanks!

    • @Rick

      @wiscot

      @Rick

      A lot of the time steephill.tv will have a highlight video that is sans commentary. Always worth a look IMHO.

      0

      That is great to know, thanks!

      0

      They are usually listed as “Ambient”.

    • If I had made a VSP entry, it would’ve been for Sagan to win. After that, I didn’t really care. After the stupid UCI/TdF decision to eject him from the Tour deBacle, he gets the last laugh by winning the Worlds and putting himself in the record books as the only three-peat winner. For him, the curse of the rainbow jersey is that he can’t get it off his back.

    • @chuckp

      If I had made a VSP entry, it would’ve been for Sagan to win. After that, I didn’t really care. After the stupid UCI/TdF decision to eject him from the Tour deBacle, he gets the last laugh by winning the Worlds and putting himself in the record books as the only three-peat winner. For him, the curse of the rainbow jersey is that he can’t get it off his back.

      1

      totally on point!  he’s really a special rider.  good that he’s achieved preeminence now that Cancellara and Boonen have retired.

    •  

      THIS is the way to approach life!  Birmingham UK, Birmingham AL..  what’s the difference!?

      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-41393230?SThisFB

    • @Cary

      THIS is the way to approach life! Birmingham UK, Birmingham AL.. what’s the difference!?

      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-41393230?SThisFB

      0

      I agree, I’d have done the same …………………………….. if I’d have had the money so to do, that is!

    • Me to Mrs T:  I need to go to Hawaii

      Mrs T:  How come?

      Me:  Well I booked on the Mnt Haleakala road climb but I thought it was just up the Rhonda just past Ystrad by Nant-ddu but apparently it’s not.  So I need to go to Hawaii it seems.

      Mrs T:  ……….

    • @Teocalli

      Me to Mrs T: I need to go to Hawaii

      Mrs T: How come?

      Me: Well I booked on the Mnt Haleakala road climb but I thought it was just up the Rhonda just past Ystrad by Nant-ddu but apparently it’s not. So I need to go to Hawaii it seems.

      Mrs T: ……….

      0

      Want to come cycling with me up the Rhondda tomorrow?

      http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/15-675/

      Have you seen the weather forecast?

    • @RobSandy

      Well the forecast for here is not too bad……..

    • @RobSandy

      Ah what a shame entries are closed………

    • @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Ah what a shame entries are closed………

      0

      Bernard says you can enter on the day! 7am at Coryton if you’re keen to be soaking wet for 8 or 9 hours straight…you get free sandwiches at the end.

    • @RobSandy

      Many thanks for your message.  I am now off line but will be returning on Monday.  I will pick up your messages on return.

    • Late to this party, but what a win!

      I’ll never forget these three wins. Was there in Richmond with wife who was just a few weeks pregnant, now our son is around 18 months and if I’m working on my bike, demands to hold the wrench. He also LOVES riding around in his trailer behind the bike. He’s at a really fun stage.

      Sagan is such an amazing racer. Hard to believe we get to see him doing this!

    • a good read on Davide Rebellin, as noted, most of these points apply to Valverde, too:

       

      http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/il-lombardia/#.WdRZ97ZOmaN

       

       

    • @Cary

      Think you posted the wrong link

      http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/eds-rant-davide-rebellin-good-doper-or-bad-doper/

      Not that the article on Lombardia wasn’t nice!

    • a great Lombardia today.  Alaphillipe is really going to be something in these next few years.  he and Gaviria have to be the most exciting young riders in the peloton.

      Nibali really put it on ‘em today.  i think he’s got, at least, a couple classics wins in him, yet.

    • @Cary

      a great Lombardia today. Alaphillipe is really going to be something in these next few years. he and Gaviria have to be the most exciting young riders in the peloton.

      Nibali really put it on ‘em today. i think he’s got, at least, a couple classics wins in him, yet.

      0

      Was out and about and missed it. Shame no VSP.

      Did you see De Plus’s crash? Ouch!

    • @RobSandy

      @Cary

      a great Lombardia today. Alaphillipe is really going to be something in these next few years. he and Gaviria have to be the most exciting young riders in the peloton.

      Nibali really put it on ‘em today. i think he’s got, at least, a couple classics wins in him, yet.

      0

      Was out and about and missed it. Shame no VSP.

      Did you see De Plus’s crash? Ouch!

      0

      has to be the crash of the year, even outdoing the Mont du Chat descent yatd sale at the Tour.  word is, De Plus escaped serious injury, too.  THAT’S good stuff to show the grandkids!

    • I’ve heard that J. Bakelants crashed at the very same spot with 7 broken ribs and 2 vertebrae as a result.

    • this afternoon, i watched nbcsn’s 2017 Fleche and Liege coverage.  two observations:

      1)  Bob Roll’s insights are good, but he’s not a good broadcaster.

      2)  Valverde is a real badass, but it’s too bad Philippe Gilbert was damaged this year at Amstel.  given his super form it would have been awesome to see him challenge for the win throughout the Ardennes classics.

    • @Cary

      this afternoon, i watched nbcsn’s 2017 Fleche and Liege coverage. two observations:

      1) Bob Roll’s insights are good, but he’s not a good broadcaster.

      2) Valverde is a real badass, but it’s too bad Philippe Gilbert was damaged this year at Amstel. given his super form it would have been awesome to see him challenge for the win throughout the Ardennes classics.

      0

      Bob is sort of a human version of Parkinson’s Law. When he has to make a point quickly he does so very well. When he has time to ramble he will do so. I used to watch his YouTube channel but had to stop because he took several minutes to make a statement that should have taken seconds.

    • Has ‘The Bikes’ and ‘The Rides’ gone to archive only (i.e. no posts) for anyone else?

      Is this truly the end?

    • @RobSandy

      I was going straight to archive this morning. Still am.

      The V-site has had crashes and off days in the past but @Frank seemed to get a handle on things pretty quickly. I’m not confident though.

      Maybe it’s time for a coup de grâce if all it is ever going to do is dribble on with a handful of people posting.

      It’s frustrating not to be able to tell people they’re wrong.

    • @chris

      @RobSandy

      I was going straight to archive this morning. Still am.

      The V-site has had crashes and off days in the past but @Frank seemed to get a handle on things pretty quickly. I’m not confident though.

      Maybe it’s time for a coup de grâce if all it is ever going to do is dribble on with a handful of people posting.

      It’s frustrating not to be able to tell people they’re wrong.

      0

      What a shame. Well in that case I’m going to get a photo of my nearly-finished Progetto up for posterity.

    •  

      @chris

       

      0

      What a shame. Well in that case I’m going to get a photo of my nearly-finished Progetto up for posterity.

      0

      ARSE

    • @RobSandy

      @chris

      0

      What a shame. Well in that case I’m going to get a photo of my nearly-finished Progetto up for posterity.

      0

      ARSE

      0

      Not able to post it?

    • @chris

      @RobSandy

      @chris

      0

      What a shame. Well in that case I’m going to get a photo of my nearly-finished Progetto up for posterity.

      0

      ARSE

      0

      Not able to post it?

      0

      Nope.

    • @RobSandy

      @chris

      @RobSandy

      @chris

      0

      What a shame. Well in that case I’m going to get a photo of my nearly-finished Progetto up for posterity.

      0

      ARSE

      0

      Not able to post it?

      0

      Nope.

      0

      Empires dissolve and peoples disappear, the V passes not away.

      You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

       

    • @chris

      You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

      Excuse me what? There’s a what?
    • And just when the bikes conversation was getting interesting ? Was there a reminder that it was the same conversation being had for the umpteenth time ? And now… no bike fotos ?!?! NO BIKE FOTOS !? Ahhh man…

    • Anyone else having problems with the site?

    • @Rick

      Anyone else having problems with the site?

      0

      Yep, most of the site seems to be shut down.

    • @RobSandy

      @chris

      You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

      Excuse me what? There’s a what?
      0

      It seems a bit Anti-V but yes, there is a Velominati Facebook page. Here.

      Not much on it apart from posts announcing posts on here and people complaining about missing kit.

    • @chris

      @RobSandy

      @chris

      You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

      Excuse me what? There’s a what?
      0

      It seems a bit Anti-V but yes, there is a Velominati Facebook page. Here.

      Not much on it apart from posts announcing posts on here and people complaining about missing kit.

      0

      I just had a quick browse and that’s the conclusion I came to!

    • wow.  is this it, then?

    • @RobSandy

      @Rick

      Anyone else having problems with the site?

      0

      Yep, most of the site seems to be shut down.

      0

      Thanks, hope it comes back soon.

    • @RobSandy

      @chris

      @RobSandy

      @chris

      You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

      Excuse me what? There’s a what?
      0

      It seems a bit Anti-V but yes, there is a Velominati Facebook page. Here.

      Not much on it apart from posts announcing posts on here and people complaining about missing kit.

      0

      I just had a quick browse and that’s the conclusion I came to!

      0

      The is some great stuff in there. The two Keepers’ tours are well documented in the photo section.

    • @chris

      Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year.  Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

    • @Teocalli

      @chris

      Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year. Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

      0

      With the exception of the Ronde, next years calendar is looking very middle eastern.

      There aren’t many places serving recovery beverages over here though.

    • @chris

      I’m planning on the RVV too – entries open Friday morning.

      Italy’s only a short hop from the Middle East?

    • @Teocalli

      @chris

      Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year. Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

      0

      I was hoping you had been knighted a new Keeper after your 1-2-1 with @Frank last week? Anything come out of that?

    • @KogaLover

      @Teocalli

      @chris

      Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year. Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

      0

      I was hoping you had been knighted a new Keeper after your 1-2-1 with @Frank last week? Anything come out of that?

      0

      Frank fell off a ladder and broke his shoulder so didn’t go.

    • @RobSandy

      @KogaLover

      @Teocalli

      @chris

      Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year. Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

      0

      I was hoping you had been knighted a new Keeper after your 1-2-1 with @Frank last week? Anything come out of that?

      0

      Frank fell off a ladder and broke his shoulder so didn’t go.

      0

      As he said!

    • I love coming to this site and do so on a near daily basis. I’ll be damned if I’ll look at a friggin’ facebook page every day. I’m sure it’s probably easier to host and maintain, but this site is/was a special wee oasis for those who chose to come here. Throwing it on facebook just seems wrong.

    • I’ m picturing Charlton Heston riding horseback along a beach, and coming across a giant statue of Frank, head protruding from the sand…….

    • At least I have my V socks to remember you guys.

    • @wiscot

      I love coming to this site and do so on a near daily basis. I’ll be damned if I’ll look at a friggin’ facebook page every day. I’m sure it’s probably easier to host and maintain, but this site is/was a special wee oasis for those who chose to come here. Throwing it on facebook just seems wrong.

      0

      I, too, enjoy visiting here, it’s got an entirely different feel than the other internets.  I still haven’t been able to join in a cogal, FFS.  It can’t end yet.

      This is really ruining my day.

    • I’m posting the picture just as a test.  If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

      This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice.  He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel.  Or a Jaegher.  Or a ….

    • @MangoDave

      Yeah – I’m juggling my retirement gift for myself.  Here is my leading candidate at the moment.  Though also fancy here but don’t really want to wait 12 months or more!

      Also will be going on a frame building course in the Summer and will make (at least) one myself.

    • @wiscot

      It’s been on FB for yonks.

    • All will be revealed in my book, “Death Of The V: How Frank fucked his friends for fame and fortune and became a COTHO.”

    • @Brett

      Ouch. And then there was one. Does that mean you’ve handed back the keys to the V-bunker?

      i’m not sure it’s a story I want to hear but is there a plan or is the site going to be left to slowly decay?

      Whatever happens it was good riding with you guys.

    • @Teocalli

      @wiscot

      It’s been on FB for yonks.

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      Ha! Just shows how often I go on FB. I have a page (is that the right term?) but I have to say I never post anything and barely look at it from one end of a month to the other. That whole situation where people like to make out their lives are just one fabulous moment after another causing others to develop massive anxiety disorders because they FOMO, just depresses the hell out of me.

    • @chris

      Who the fuck would know. You guys seem to know more than us.

      Maybe this is Frank’s new project:

      https://velominati.de/

    • @Brett

      Chill Brett, I’ve no idea whats going on.

      Like others here, I’ve enjoyed this site, had some fun and made some friends.

      It’s sad to see it coming apart.

    • Yes, it has been fun. Thanks to you all for the camaraderie. I love coming here and do so daily. It would be very sad for it to go away.

    • @MangoDave

      I’m posting the picture just as a test. If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

      This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice. He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel. Or a Jaegher. Or a ….

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      If a Slim Chance is the last bike foto posted on this site before it drifts in to forgotten spaces well then I suppose that that would be apropos. Cool bike ! Cheers

    • @Brett

      I think it was Frank who said that “extraordinary allegations require extraordinary truth”?

    • I have been lurking around for years but do not post much. Anyway, from what I gather from this site @Frank seems pretty dedicated to it, and the community. I know he fell, and hope he recovers quickly. I just hope its not more serious then what’s been said.

    • @Randy C

      @MangoDave

      I’m posting the picture just as a test. If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

      This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice. He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel. Or a Jaegher. Or a ….

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      If a Slim Chance is the last bike foto posted on this site before it drifts in to forgotten spaces well then I suppose that that would be apropos. Cool bike ! Cheers

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      Or this?

    • @RobSandy

      @Randy C

      @MangoDave

      I’m posting the picture just as a test. If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

      This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice. He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel. Or a Jaegher. Or a ….

      0

       

      If a Slim Chance is the last bike foto posted on this site before it drifts in to forgotten spaces well then I suppose that that would be apropos. Cool bike ! Cheers

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      Or this?




      0

      Cunts! Last try before I sulk off.

    • @wiscot

      @Teocalli

      @wiscot

      It’s been on FB for yonks.

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      Ha! Just shows how often I go on FB. I have a page (is that the right term?) but I have to say I never post anything and barely look at it from one end of a month to the other. That whole situation where people like to make out their lives are just one fabulous moment after another causing others to develop massive anxiety disorders because they FOMO, just depresses the hell out of me.




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      You’ve just summarised pretty much everything wrong with the world. And yes, Facebook has a lot to answer for. However, our cycling club is run on FB so I use it pretty frequently.

      The other problem is I’ve got a technical problem with my build and now have nowhere to go to ask for help. I asked my actual friends, on Facebook, and they just took the piss. And I’m fucked if I’m taking it to a bike shop at this stage.

    • @RobSandy

      Well we are still here for now, so ask away.

      Re FB – it’s a pretty sad reflection on the world when the arbiter of whether you are a moral person or care about something is whether you share a comment or picture on FB and not what you actually do in life itself.

      Hopefully this place is taking only a short diversion into the Dark Side and the V-force will be stabilised before too long.

    • @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Well we are still here for now, so ask away.

      Re FB – it’s a pretty sad reflection on the world when the arbiter of whether you are a moral person or care about something is whether you share a comment or picture on FB and not what you actually do in life itself.

      Hopefully this place is taking only a short diversion into the Dark Side and the V-force will be stabilised before too long.

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    • That’s the FD, the cable running from the cable stop (which is a little cage on the seat tube) to the mounting bolt fouls on the back of the derailleur itself. The cable stop can’t be moved and there doesn’t seem to be any for/aft adjustment of the derailleur mount either.

      I can’t see it’d be a good thing to run a set up like this, apart from anything else the cable either hooks around the back of the rivet or frees itself and runs straight, so cable tension goes all to shit.

    • @RobSandy

      Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt.  Gruppo lead the other way.

    • @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt. Gruppo lead the other way.

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      As I said in the Bikes, it would probably be better but I don’t know if it would solved completely.

      Also, have all my pics posted or just the one of the FD?

    • @Teocalli

      The other oddness (and I wonder if these things are related), is that although the braze-on mount has substantial room for up and down adjustment, if I move the FD down much, the back end of the spring hits the cable stop cage on the seat tube, chips the paint and prevents the derailleur moving fully in.

      Fore/aft adjustment of the mount would solve both of these problems but it doesn’t seem as if you can do it.

      There’s no way you could run a compact as the spring would foul on the cable stop.

      I could clip the very end of the spring off which would help, but seems a bit drastic.

    • @Marcus

      @Brett

      I think it was Frank who said that “extraordinary allegations require extraordinary truth”?

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      Well, it IS a fact that plenty of money has been taken for V Kit that will never ever be delivered.

      Where the money is I have no idea, but I do know I don’t have kit.

    • @RobSandy

      @Teocalli

      The other oddness (and I wonder if these things are related), is that although the braze-on mount has substantial room for up and down adjustment, if I move the FD down much, the back end of the spring hits the cable stop cage on the seat tube, chips the paint and prevents the derailleur moving fully in.

      Fore/aft adjustment of the mount would solve both of these problems but it doesn’t seem as if you can do it.

      There’s no way you could run a compact as the spring would foul on the cable stop.

      I could clip the very end of the spring off which would help, but seems a bit drastic.

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      Can’t visualise that.  Don’t get re fore/aft as normally if you have a round seat tube then the alignment of the cage to the chain sets the mount position.  I can’t visualise how moving up/down for a compact should make matters worse.

    • @Teocalli

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      Can’t visualise that. Don’t get re fore/aft as normally if you have a round seat tube then the alignment of the cage to the chain sets the mount position. I can’t visualise how moving up/down for a compact should make matters worse.

      Yep its difficult to explain and the picture doesn’t show it. But I’ve had to set the cage higher than it should be so the back end of the spring doesn’t hit the cable stop. If the derailleur was lower it’d hit it as the cage swung.

       

    • @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt. Gruppo lead the other way.

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      I would try Teocalli’s suggestion first.  You might be surprised how big of a difference it can make sometimes.

    • @MangoDave

      @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt. Gruppo lead the other way.

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      I would try Teocalli’s suggestion first. You might be surprised how big of a difference it can make sometimes.

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      Shimano has a “tool” they provide that a person is supposed to use to establish the best route for the cable in to the mech. Naturally I wouldn’t use it. I’ve played around with threading the cable in to the lever arm on each side of the bolt to get best action on a 105 FD on my cross bike.

    • Froome confirms Giro participation. I have to admit that despite the rumors I never thought he would race the Giro.

       

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

    • @Rick

      Froome confirms Giro participation. I have to admit that despite the rumors I never thought he would race the Giro.

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

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      Me neither, I thought it was a bit of bluff.

      Chapeau to him. I’m quite impressed he’s taken that risk.

    • @RobSandy

      @RobSandy

      @Rick

      Froome confirms Giro participation. I have to admit that despite the rumors I never thought he would race the Giro.

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

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      Me neither, I thought it was a bit of bluff.

      Chapeau to him. I’m quite impressed he’s taken that risk.

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      Agreed. I thought a potential 5th TdF win would keep him out of the Italian Grand Tour. If Froomey has show us anything over the last few years it is that he is a bike racer. Glad to see him take up the challenge.

      The Giro could be the best GT of the year by far with Froome and Dumoulin racing.

    • wow.  Froome does not lack balls.

    • @Cary

      wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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      I think the Giro parcours is announced today. Is it Froome-friendly?

       

    • @wis

      @Cary

      wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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      I think the Giro parcours is announced today. Is it Froome-friendly?

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      Nibali thinks so:

      http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/giro-ditalia/vincenzo-nibali-2018-giro-ditalia-route-suits-chris-froome-361029

    • @Cary

      wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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      It is rumored that Froome was offered 2 million reasons to ride the Giro.

    • wow.  a bit of a compromise, still, i think:

      Russia banned from Olympics; athletes can compete as neutrals – NBC Sports https://apple.news/AU4y_GyYpSdGbAQ_o5UuKSw

    • Massive props to Froomey for racing the Giro, big balls indeed. Still…

      Froome To Win Record For Devaluing Three Grand Tours In A Row

       

    • @Rick

      Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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      I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

    • @RobSandy

      @Rick

      Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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      I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

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      Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

      Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

      As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

    • @Rick

      @RobSandy

      @Rick

      Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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      I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

      0

      Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

      Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

      As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

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      Given Sky’s budget and previous stances on drugs, I am amazed at the incompetence of their medical staff. The whole “jiffy bag” fiasco was something that should never have happened and Sky’s handling (or mishandling) of the matter made it worse. Now this. I don’t have asthmna, but apparently the dosage in each inhaler is easy to ascertain. As is the threshold that would trigger a positive test. I’m no mathematician, but it shouldn’t be too hard to look at the numbers and figure out how many puffs a day from a regulated inhaler you can take.  The whole thing stinks of marginal gains gone wrong.

      I don’t see how a ban can be avoided. This will tarnish Froome’s reputation and likely hit him in the pocket – will he be eligible for the Giro and Tour, and if so, will they want him?

      I’d like to hear the opinion of any Velominati who have asthma issues and what they have to say.

    • @wiscot

      @Rick

       

      I’d like to hear the opinion of any Velominati who have asthma issues and what they have to say.

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      I have asthma and I usually have a quick puff of my blue inhaler before a race. But if I was the race leader and in contention for the overall win of a Grand Tour and be REALLY FUCKING CAREFUL about getting the dose absolutely right and err on the side of caution.

      Lets see what comes out but it fucking stinks.

    • @wiscot

      As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”.  By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs.  They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it.  What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

      I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all.  Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

    • @Teocalli

      @wiscot

      As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”. By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs. They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it. What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

      I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all. Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

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      So, in short, to have such a high level of salbuterol in one’s system would be hard to do while using the inhaler in a manner consistent with sound medical advice?

      It stinks to high heaven for sure. You’d think given all the previous busts for salbuterol and the penalties handed out, that the team would be careful. But you know what, for all Sky’s outwardly “clean” image and claims of “marginal gains” and top class organization with fancy buses and team cars, I think it’s just a fucking sham. Geraint Thomas needs to get the fuck out of there asap.

    • @MangoDave

      Who knows.  The other part I read said that any effect would be limited to events like Sprinting (athletics) and Weightlifting but would be limited but any benefit would be limited to questionable.

    • @wiscot

      Geraint Thomas needs to get the fuck out of there asap.

      Agreed. He’s given him some of his best years and all they’ve done is screw him.

    • At least a balanced view with facts http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42350159

    • I think many here (are there many here anymore?) might find this useful:

      https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2017/dec/14/chris-froome-failed-drug-test-live-webchat

       

    • Coincidence or inspiration?

       

    • @chuckp

      Well spotted sir, well spotted! Yet still no room on the jersey for GSK? For shame Sir Dave, for shame!

    • It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

    • @Teocalli

      It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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      That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

    • @Rick

      @Teocalli

      It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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      That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

      0

      “slithering lizard”, was it?  i appreciated how she backed down from the statement later, without really apologizing.  i laughed a little too hard.

    • On a similar subject, I see Nibbles is still bleating that Froome would be nothing without the Sky train.  IMHO he’s somewhat forgetting that in 2012 Froome did the hard miles to take Wiggo to victory and in finishing second he still beat Nibbles into third.  I think most folk would admit that Froome could easily have won in 2012 had he been given freedom to ride away.

    • @Cary

      @Rick

      @Teocalli

      It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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      That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

      0

      “slithering lizard”, was it? i appreciated how she backed down from the statement later, without really apologizing. i laughed a little too hard.

      0

      I thought that the comment was amusing, but also embarrassingly undignified. It betrayed a large degree of lingering bitterness, as though Froome is the head Fancy Bear himself. It’s clear that the self-deception which doping athletes develop to maintain their sanity whilst cheating is being employed by the Wiggins family, to convince themselves that Brad’s use of a fat-stripping intramuscular injection for a previously unknown condition was totally necessary, and gained him no sporting advantage whatsoever.

    • @Rick

      @Teocalli

      It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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      That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

      0

      Musettes at dawn?

    • Just done an interesting comparison.  Normally I ride my Steel bike on the rollers Athena Gruppo, Mavic Pro rims, conventional spoked wheels.  I’ve just run the same 1hr rolling routine as I did on Friday but used #1 Bike Gruppo SR, Shamal wheels.  In 1hr I “covered” 15% further on #1.  Now, I’ve always known that #1 was faster (thankfully) but put that down mainly to weight and overall aero.  However on rollers weight and aero of the frame are zero issues so most of the difference I guess is down to the wheels and I assume aero relating to the spokes (not many and bladed vs a forest and round).  So tomorrow I’ll swap wheels to the steel bike and see what components make most difference.  At least it’s good to know that all that money does have a measurable benefit!  (PS It’s not a binding brake on the steel bike – I checked that!).

       

    • @wiscot

      @Rick

      @Teocalli

      It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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      That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

      0

      Musettes at dawn?

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      Bidons at high noon.

    • @Teocalli

      Just done an interesting comparison. Normally I ride my Steel bike on the rollers Athena Gruppo, Mavic Pro rims, conventional spoked wheels. I’ve just run the same 1hr rolling routine as I did on Friday but used #1 Bike Gruppo SR, Shamal wheels. In 1hr I “covered” 15% further on #1. Now, I’ve always known that #1 was faster (thankfully) but put that down mainly to weight and overall aero. However on rollers weight and aero of the frame are zero issues so most of the difference I guess is down to the wheels and I assume aero relating to the spokes (not many and bladed vs a forest and round). So tomorrow I’ll swap wheels to the steel bike and see what components make most difference. At least it’s good to know that all that money does have a measurable benefit! (PS It’s not a binding brake on the steel bike – I checked that!).

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      very interesting!  i have two virtually identical bikes, and the one with the heavier wheels is the faster of the two.  weird how that can be!  i am very interested in what you learn from this wheel swap experiment.

    • So #1 wheels on Steel Pina and I get near as damn it, the same distance in 1 hr.  So there would appear to be minimal loss to an Gruppo Athena group set vs Gruppo SR on a Roller setup and it is down to the wheels.  So next is to service the semi vintage hubs as they are old Chorus (practically vintage) and check out that they are not worn before putting it all down down to the extra resistance from the spokes.

    • @Teocalli

      What about the tyres?

    • @RobSandy

      @Teocalli

      What about the tyres?

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      I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene.  Both are 25mm.  I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

    • @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      @Teocalli

      What about the tyres?

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      I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

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      Just seems like a LOT of difference to be down to hub friction.

    • @RobSandy

      @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      @Teocalli

      What about the tyres?

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      I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

      0

      Just seems like a LOT of difference to be down to hub friction.

      0

      Yeah – I’m thinking spokes rather than hub but it does seem a lot.  Kinda adds some interest to winter miles on the rollers though.  I had expected that the Athena would account for some of the difference vs SR but anything there is not significant so it does seem to be the wheels/spokes unless there was something generating resistance I did not spot with the older wheels in place.

      Adds a certain piquant to riding with my buddy when I trash him on the Steel bike.  “Hey But, you realise I’m 15% slower on the bike I just trashed you on……..”.

      I have a suspicion though that while there will be a difference some of it is down to something I did not spot and may simply go away.  Anyway may as well service the hubs before the next cross check out of interest.

       

    • @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      @Teocalli

      What about the tyres?

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      I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

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      The G+ is supposed to have less rolling resistance, I’ve seen a study showing 5-6% difference compared to the Corsa CXIII.  This could explain some of your differences on the rollers.

      I recently glued on a set of G+, but I only have ridden them 60km or so.  It was a couple of months since I had the CXIII’s on, so I couldn’t do a direct comparison.  My initial impressions are the G+ rolls just fine, but they don’t seem as compliant in ride quality compared to the older Corsas.  More testing/riding to come…

    • @MangoDave

      I did find myself setting a whole bunch of new PRs when I switched to the G+ but a bit surprised it might be apparent on rollers – though I don’t know why I should be surprised as the times I put my #9 bike on the rollers with Conti 4 Season I can definitely feel they are more sluggish – though that could be as much the fact that they just make more noise.  So I guess now I also need to do a 1 hr run on that as that has old Nucleon wheels with bladed spokes.  Not sure I want to start swapping tyres around but if the winter gets bad you never know……….

    • Well it’s nothing if it’s not consistent.  So checked the rear hub on the old Chorus wheel and it’s smooth as butter.  So ran the same 1 hr with rear wheel old style spokes and front wheel Shamal.  Net distance is about half way between the two.  Maybe I will stick the G+ on the old style spoke wheels as I have a pair in the garage that have a couple of splits from punctures but should be OK on the rollers and see what result that gives (bit of glue and internal patch – what can go wrong……).  I can definitely feel the extra resistance with the old style wheel and I can’t spin them up to the same top speed as the Shamal.

       

    • To the few, the merry few, who keep this site going, I’d like to wish you all a safe and happy holiday season. May Santa bring you all the bike-related goodies you wish for, may your calorie intake be reasonable, and may you all sneak a wee ride in somewhere. With all the multi-person jollity the season inevitably brings, a couple of hours of solitude on the bike will be good for everyone.

    • @wiscot

      To the few, the merry few, who keep this site going, I’d like to wish you all a safe and happy holiday season. May Santa bring you all the bike-related goodies you wish for, may your calorie intake be reasonable, and may you all sneak a wee ride in somewhere. With all the multi-person jollity the season inevitably brings, a couple of hours of solitude on the bike will be good for everyone.

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      Oh what fun it is to ride on two wheels every day!

      Merry Xmas Everybody

    • @wiscot

      To the few, the merry few, who keep this site going, I’d like to wish you all a safe and happy holiday season. May Santa bring you all the bike-related goodies you wish for, may your calorie intake be reasonable, and may you all sneak a wee ride in somewhere. With all the multi-person jollity the season inevitably brings, a couple of hours of solitude on the bike will be good for everyone.

      1

      Hear hear!

      Merry tidings to you all, and may your steeds stay rubber-side-down on the wintery weather.

      (NB: I am still here, reading from afar, via RSS, because my phone is a piece of shit that can’t handle the full site)

    • Merry Christmas fellow Velominati! Trust there’s a n+1 be it whole bike or, components, clothing, ride entry, subscriptions! (New bike day for both our boys!)

    • This is an absolute shame. Last year’s jersey was fantastic: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aru-to-change-design-of-italian-champions-jersey-before-first-races/

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    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna van der Breggen
      2. Amalie Dideriksen
      3. Coryn Rivera
      4. Annemiek van Vleuten
      5. Chloe Hoskin
    • I think either

      van der Breggen and van Vleuten could easily win and it would be nice to see van Vleuten do the double rainbow!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. van der Breggen
      2. van Vleuten
      3. Deignan
      4. Vos
      5. Hosking
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Coryn Rivera
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Elisa Longo Borghini
      4. Christine Majerus
      5. Lizzie Deignan
    • Yes! So pleased to see this on the VSP schedule.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Van der Breggen
      2. Rivera
      3. D’Hoore
      4. Deignan
      5. Dideriksen
    • Dutch Domination

      Any chance the VSP points are

      going to be updated for the second half of the season?

       

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna ven Der Breggen
      2. Annemeik Van Vleuten
      3. Marianne Vos
      4. Coryn Rivera
      5. Elizabeth Deignan
    • @JohnB

      Are you also wondering if you’ve managed to creep past me into 1st?

      How do you think you did on San Sebastian? I Delgado’d!

    • @RobSandy

      Ha! I wish, although the first year there are no prizes, I’m challenging!

      San Sebastian – Kwiatkowski, Dumoulin and Landa all in the wrong order.

    • @JohnB

      A win is a win!

      I was about 7 points ahead before the TDF. I think I did ok there, probably scored about the same as you. I missed SS so you’ll have come back a bit there, possibly into the lead.

      I did pretty well on the Vuelta though (top 3 in the right order) so who knows now?

    • @RobSandy

      Spookily enough I got the Vuelta top 3 in order too so still on your wheel. I had hoped for better from Betancur but crash injuries saw him off. That’ll be him ballooning in weight again!

       

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. van Vleuten
      2. Rivera
      3. van der Breggan
      4. Niewiadoma
      5. Broghini
    • trying again

      VSP PICKS:

      1. van der Breggan
      2. Rivera
      3. van Vleuten
      4. Deignan
      5. Borghini
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. van Vleuten
      2. Rivera
      3. van der Breggan
      4. Niewiadoma
      5. Borghini
    • @JohnB

      I’ve done some back-if-a-fag packet maths and I reckon I’m on about 180 points and you’re around 10 points behind. So still all to play for.

      I tried to work out who is 3rd but there are a lot of contenders. Think it might be dancollins.

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Coryn Rivera
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Elisa Longo Borghini
      4. Lizzie Deignan
      5. Annemiek van Vleuten
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna vd Breggen
      2. Lizzie Deignan
      3. Av Vleuten
      4. Borghini
      5. Vos
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Annemiek van Vleuten
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Vos
      4. Lizzie Deignan
      5. Elisa Longo Borghini
    • @RobSandy

      @JohnB

      I’ve done some back-if-a-fag packet maths and I reckon I’m on about 180 points and you’re around 10 points behind. So still all to play for.

      I tried to work out who is 3rd but there are a lot of contenders. Think it might be dancollins.

      0

      I commend your attention to the task. Smoking is bad for you though !

    • I have to mention Ellen somewhere, we share surname after

      all (not related as far as I know though)

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Vos
      2. Borghini
      3. vd Breggen
      4. Riviera
      5. van Dijk
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. van der Breggen
      2. Coryn Rivera
      3. Chloe Hoskin
      4. van Vleuten
      5. Borghini
    • Lizzie just had an operation to get her appendix removed. That’s arguably disadvantageous, but I theorise she just wanted to shed those few appendix grammes!

      Also I totally agree with @frank that women’s Worlds is one of the best races on the calendar.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Der Breggen
      2. Ferrand-Prevot
      3. Van Vleuten
      4. Hosking
      5. Deignan
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Vleuten
      2. Ferrand-Prevot
      3. Deignan
      4. Vos
      5. Borghini
    • Really hoping it’s Vos, despite putting her 2nd here.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. van der Breggen
      2. Vos
      3. van Dijk
      4. van Vleuten
      5. Ferrand-Prevot
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Coryn Rivera
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Bronzini
      4. Van Vleuten
      5. Queen Lizzie
    • double rainbow

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Vleuten
      2. Vos
      3. Anna van der Breggen
      4. Elvin
      5. Where’s Lizzie
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Annemiek Van Vleuten
      2. Anna van der Breggen
      3. Jolien d’Hoore
      4. Coryn Rivera
      5. Elisa Longo Borghini
    • To the divine Ms Vos, forgve me for putting you in 4th. Prove me wrong!’

      Rivera rode TOAD in my wee home town of

      West Bend, WI this summer. That’s reason enough for me to put her #1.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Rivera
      2. Deignan
      3. van der Breggen
      4. d”hooore
      5. Vos
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. van Vleuten
      2. van der Breggan
      3. Rivera
      4. Niewiadoma
      5. Broghini
    • I have pretty much delgadoed most of the VSP season…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Van Vleuten
      2. Van der Breggen
      3. Guarnier
      4. Rivera, Coryn
      5. D’Hoore
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna Van Der Breggen
      2. Coryn Rivera
      3. Pauline Ferrand Prevot
      4. Elisa Longo Borghini
      5. Annemiek Van Vleuten
    • @wiscot

      To the divine Ms Vos, forgve me for putting you in 4th. Prove me wrong!’

      Rivera rode TOAD in my wee home town of

      West Bend, WI this summer. That’s reason enough for me to put her #1.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Rivera
      2. Deignan
      3. van der Breggen
      4. d”hooore
      5. Vos
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      That would be 4th as in 5 – Vos? I guess it could be 4th Runner Up?

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna van der Breggen
      2. Elisa Longo Borghini
      3. Coryn Rivera
      4. Annemiek van Vleuten
      5. Pauline Ferrand-Prevot
    • Well, I am excited.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Anna van der Breggen
      2. Annemiek van Vleuten
      3. Roarin’ Coryn Rivera
      4. The divine Ms. M. Vos
      5. Post-op Lizzie D.
    • Errrr . . . 4th runner up . . . of course!

    • Great to see that the new Women’s Elite Road Race Champion adheres to Rule #13. The V is clearly with her.

      Kudos to Ms. Blaak and to her teammates. The Cycling news feed reported that Van der Breggen and Van Vlueten controlled the pack to ensure a Dutch World Championship. That has to be tough for the two biggest favorites but is great teamwork.

      Chapeau to the Dutch women’s team!

       

  • Holy fuckballs. I’ve never been this late ever on a VSP. I mean, I’ve missed them entirely – which is another kind of incompetence entirely – but I’m shocked at how quickly this week blew by me. I think I have […]

      • Here we go again- Contador let me down in the tour so no go this time

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Zakarin
      4. Chaves
      5. Kruijswik
    • lemme try again:

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chaves
      3. Aru
      4. Nibali
      5. Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Contador
      3. Adam Yates
      4. Aru
      5. S Yates
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Bardet
      3. Contador
      4. Froome
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Chaves
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. C Froome
      2. V Nibali
      3. F Aru
      4. I Zakarin
      5. A Yates
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Zakarin
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Esteban Chavez
      4. Ilnur Zakarin
      5. Alberto Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Vincenzo Nibali
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Ilnur Zakarin
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Fabio Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Ilur Zakarin
      4. Rafał Majka
      5. Steven Kruijswijk
    • close to having Delgado-ed …

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froomey
      2. Kruiswijk
      3. Nibbles
      4. Poels
      5. Kelderman
    • Wow, that was nearly a Delgado

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Aru
      4. Yates
      5. Zakarin
    • .

      VSP PICKS:

      1. froome
      2. nibali
      3. aru
      4. adam yates
      5. zakarin
    • We will see. My preparation went well but you never know how will go. Especially with so many days on the mountains. I will take it day by day. I have the full support of my team. They do an amazing job. My head is in the right place but we will see about the legs.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Barguil
      4. Majka
      5. Kruijswijk
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. froome
      2. nibali
      3. aru
      4. kruijswijk
      5. Yates a
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibbles
      3. Zakarin
      4. Kruijswijk
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chavez
      3. Aru
      4. A Yates
      5. Krashwick
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chavez
      3. Aru
      4. A Yates
      5. Bardet
    • Thanks for setting this up @frank! Any chance you could calculate the results for the Tour and San Sebastian when you get a moment? I think I did quite well in them and I want me some prizes*!

       

      *Sod’s Law dictates that now I’ve said that, I will have done badly and I will look like a tool.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Aru
      3. Zakarin
      4. A Yates
      5. Nibali
    • Who knows really!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Chaves
      2. Bardet
      3. Froomacil
      4. Simon Yates
      5. Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Kruijswijk
      4. Chaves
      5. Nibali
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Chaves
    • weirdly, i’m actually rooting for Froome to win it.

    • My attempt to pick who would crash out at the Tour went badly wrong (not just for me), so I give up, and just the usual dice roll.  No crashes please.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Chaves
      3. Nibali
      4. Bardet
      5. A Yates
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froom
      2. Barguil
      3. Bardet
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Alaphillipe
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome, Dog
      2. Nibali, Shark
      3. Chaves
      4. Kruijswicjk
      5. Majka
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Kruijswijk
      3. Chaves
      4. Poels VV
      5. Bardet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Zakarin
      3. A Yates
      4. Kruijswijk
      5. Nibali
    • Contador to have a bad crash on the first few days and then hunt for stage wins from then on.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibbles
      3. Poels
      4. A. Yates
      5. Zakarin
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Aru
      4. Contador
      5. Yates
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Ilnur Zakarin
      4. Esteban Chaves
      5. Carlos Betancur
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Aru
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Vincenzo Nibali
      3. Alberto Contador
      4. Ilnur Zakarin
      5. Wout Poels
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. NIBALI, Vincenzo
      2. FROOME, Chris
      3. CHAVES, Esteban
      4. DENNIS, Rohan
      5. YATES, Adam
    • Any chance we can close out San Sebastian and the TDF?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Contador
      4. Zakarin
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Chaves
      4. Zakarin
      5. Are
    • This time for real

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome Dog
      2. Nibbles
      3. Zakarin
      4. Clenbutador
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Froome
      3. Chaves
      4. Zakarin
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nibali
      2. Aru
      3. Froome
      4. Contador
      5. Bardet
    • Had a reshuffle. Not many people are tipping Bardet to do well. Not sure why.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Bardet
      4. Yates
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Ilnur Zakarin
      3. Froome
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. NIBALI Vincenzo
      3. CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
      4. CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
      5. ARU Fabio
    • @RobSandy

      maybe because of the TT…

    • @RobSandy

      Had a reshuffle. Not many people are tipping Bardet to do well. Not sure why.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Bardet
      4. Yates
      5. Aru
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      i didn’t list Bardet based on how destroyed he looked in the last Tour TT.  i think he’s toast.

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Zakarin
      3. Chaves
      4. Nibali
      5. Adam Yates
    • Lucky dip really, but I’m guessing

      Froomacil will probably be near the pointy end.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Zakarin
      4. Chaves
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. chavez
      2. froome
      3. nibali
      4. Yates A
      5. Zakarin
    • Also forgot to say w

      hich Yates!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Zakarin
      4. Adam Yates
      5. Aru
    • Slight rearrange

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Kruijswijk
      3. Nibbles
      4. Zakarin
      5. Poels VV
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Nibali
      3. Kruijswijk
      4. Contador
      5. Majka
    • Interesting. I’ve never seen a VSP where entries could be posted after the race starts. If this keeps up I’ll be re-submitting in a couple of weeks!

    • @wiscot

      Interesting. I’ve never seen a VSP where entries could be posted after the race starts. If this keeps up I’ll be re-submitting in a couple of weeks!

      0

       

      Fortunately it has now closed otherwise there would be a few folk quickly ditching Contador!

    • Two exciting finishes so far. Can’t believe Yves managed to hold them off. Nice ride!

      Oh, and the dirtbags going wide to move up at the train crossing – I’d have given those lads a frame pump in the wheels.

    • @Teocalli

      @wiscot

      Interesting. I’ve never seen a VSP where entries could be posted after the race starts. If this keeps up I’ll be re-submitting in a couple of weeks!

      0

      Fortunately it has now closed otherwise there would be a few folk quickly ditching Contador!

      0

      I think the Contador scenario now playing out emphasizes the wisdom of Hinault when he retired. Hinault, being one of the great GT riders of all time, did not want to suffer the indignity and humiliation currently being experienced by Contador. Hinualt was not happy unless he was a contender. Alas, Bertie may not make top 10 if today is an indication.

    • @wiscot

      @Teocalli

      @wiscot

      Interesting. I’ve never seen a VSP where entries could be posted after the race starts. If this keeps up I’ll be re-submitting in a couple of weeks!

      0

      Fortunately it has now closed otherwise there would be a few folk quickly ditching Contador!

      0

      I think the Contador scenario now playing out emphasizes the wisdom of Hinault when he retired. Hinault, being one of the great GT riders of all time, did not want to suffer the indignity and humiliation currently being experienced by Contador. Hinualt was not happy unless he was a contender. Alas, Bertie may not make top 10 if today is an indication.

      0

      …….or a lack of Steak……

    • @Teocalli

      @wiscot

      @Teocalli

      @wiscot

      Interesting. I’ve never seen a VSP where entries could be posted after the race starts. If this keeps up I’ll be re-submitting in a couple of weeks!

      0

      Fortunately it has now closed otherwise there would be a few folk quickly ditching Contador!

      0

      I think the Contador scenario now playing out emphasizes the wisdom of Hinault when he retired. Hinault, being one of the great GT riders of all time, did not want to suffer the indignity and humiliation currently being experienced by Contador. Hinualt was not happy unless he was a contender. Alas, Bertie may not make top 10 if today is an indication.

      0

      …….or a lack of Steak……

      0

      You know, I’ve always thought Bertie got a bit of a bum deal on the clenbuterol test. There’s no threshold amount for a positive test and the amount that showed was incredibly small.  Other riders I’m sure have tested positive for far more effective drugs which were below the positive threshold.

      I’m hoping he goes out in style, but it seems like that might not be the case. Here’s to hoping he gets at least a stage win in grand style. I think he deserves that.

      Looks like all the other main contenders have come ready to play. That was some fine racing today.

    • @wiscot

      @Teocalli

      @wiscot

      @Teocalli

      @wiscot

      Interesting. I’ve never seen a VSP where entries could be posted after the race starts. If this keeps up I’ll be re-submitting in a couple of weeks!

      0

      Fortunately it has now closed otherwise there would be a few folk quickly ditching Contador!

      0

      I think the Contador scenario now playing out emphasizes the wisdom of Hinault when he retired. Hinault, being one of the great GT riders of all time, did not want to suffer the indignity and humiliation currently being experienced by Contador. Hinualt was not happy unless he was a contender. Alas, Bertie may not make top 10 if today is an indication.

      0

      …….or a lack of Steak……

      0

      You know, I’ve always thought Bertie got a bit of a bum deal on the clenbuterol test. There’s no threshold amount for a positive test and the amount that showed was incredibly small. Other riders I’m sure have tested positive for far more effective drugs which were below the positive threshold.

      I’m hoping he goes out in style, but it seems like that might not be the case. Here’s to hoping he gets at least a stage win in grand style. I think he deserves that.

      Looks like all the other main contenders have come ready to play. That was some fine racing today.

      0

      a)  i excluded Bardet from my list based on his final TdF TT, but included Cotador out of sentimentality and well wishes.  one good decision cancels a bad one.  story of my life.

      b)  agree on Contador getting hosed on the clenbutrol flap.  i have watched these last ten years of cycling with a jaundiced perspective, because it’s the same sort of shit e have seen time and time again.  the drugs are different, the individuals are different, yet the mechanisms of deceit remain the same.  all i see, collectively, are the same riders, guilty of the same shit, scurrying back and forth from one conveniently held position to another.  the only differences are, some have produced results, and some have NOT.  the only two individuals i respect in the pantheon of whistleblowers are Lemond and Andreu, who both came forward when they still had something SIGNIFICANT to lose.  in my eyes, the rest are doing nothing but recriminating and playing dumb, in a sisyphean effort to validate their percieved legacy.

      c)  has anybody here watched Icarus yet?  if an organization can change urine samples to protect the guilty, another organization can surely do the same to implicate the innocent.  why, at this point, should any of us believe ANY of the players in this story to hold some sort of moral high ground?  every last agency invoved in this ongoing debacle has demonstrated corruption and incompetence.  UCI, WADA, etc, straight down the line.  gimme a break.  may as well ask the IRS their opinion, too.

    • i should qualify that rant by saying that i really don’t believe Lemond ever doped in the first place, so maybe “coming forward” isn’t the best way to describe what he went though.  truth lies in action.  viewed thru the lens of history, Lemond’s actions are those of an innocent man. and a righteous one.

    • sure he did, it is a matter of record, now.  yet, why was the Russian Federation allowed by the IOC to compete at the Rio Olympics, again?  bullshit on top of bullshit!  it’s about money, and only money.  once Lance’s career crossed the threshold whereby more money could be made by taking him down, than by looking the other way, the endgame was a foregone conclusion.  i am cynical for a reason.  follow the money.  you’ll never be wrong, but reality spares no disillusion.

    • @Cary

      a) i excluded Bardet from my list based on his final TdF TT, but included Cotador out of sentimentality and well wishes. one good decision cancels a bad one. story of my life.

       

      …and I took Bardet out based on your comments. Who’s the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows the fool?

       

    • @RobSandy

      @Cary

      a) i excluded Bardet from my list based on his final TdF TT, but included Cotador out of sentimentality and well wishes. one good decision cancels a bad one. story of my life.

      …and I took Bardet out based on your comments. Who’s the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows the fool?

      0

      i’ve been trying to figure that out since i was in the Marine Corps.  no answers yet.

    • Some time ago I read a scientific article on this contaminated meat stuff that purportedly was from a reliable scientific source, I can’t remember whether it was around the Contador incident or another one so I will make that disclaimer.  Basically what it came to, is that for Clenbuterol (etc) to be retained in meat in sufficient quantity to give a positive test in an athlete then either the bull would have to have a dose that would probably kill it or the athlete would have to eat the figurative bull between two bread vans.  Since then I’ve always been a bit cynical over contaminated food – unless the contamination was direct into the food ie from a malicious source.  If I ever get really bored I may try to find the article.

    • I finally paid to watch cycling this years (cycling.tv) and now the Vuelta is blacked out in the U.S. Great!

    • @Ron

      I finally paid to watch cycling this years (cycling.tv) and now the Vuelta is blacked out in the U.S. Great!

      0

      Ron,

      I watched the Sporza feed on Steephill.tv yesterday – live! Ok, it’s in Dutch, but hey, you can’t have it all!

    • @Joe Bloggs

      Never mind the brackets (as the Sex Pistols didn’t say) my spelling and punctuation in that post were shit!




      0

      I got your jist and appreciate the informed comment. Yeah, Bertie should have retired a while back, but I guess when teams throw big $$ at you it’s hard to turn down.

    • @wiscot

      @Joe Bloggs

      Never mind the brackets (as the Sex Pistols didn’t say) my spelling and punctuation in that post were shit!

      0

      I got your jist and appreciate the informed comment. Yeah, Bertie should have retired a while back, but I guess when teams throw big $$ at you it’s hard to turn down.

      0

      Robbie McEwen had a very interesting observation regarding this upon his own retirement years ago.  as i recall, it was something like “a rider must compete until they are done racing.”  meaning, if a rider retires too soon, before the spirit and willingness to compete at the pro level is exhausted, they will struggle to adjust to life after cycling.  as a fan, i always liked McEwen.  nobody in his day had his race savvy and killer instinct.  that he’s articulated the dynamics of racing at the top levels so as to be better understood by punters like me is a big plus, too.

    • check this out, if y’all haven’t already.  Froome advocating the 3 second rule, implemented during the TdF.  as a viewer, i surely noticed the difference at the Tour, and it seems like a good idea:

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-froome-advocates-three-second-rule-for-flat-stages/

    • @wiscot

      The NBC Sports Gold cycling package (I think I paid $29.00 for 6 months) is broadcasting the Vuelta live on its website. Well worth it for those of us in the USA.

    • @dancollins

      @wiscot

      The NBC Sports Gold cycling package (I think I paid $29.00 for 6 months) is broadcasting the Vuelta live on its website. Well worth it for those of us in the USA.

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      I’m in the US but get my TV “over the air” these days. Cut the cable a few years back. That’s not too bad a price though . . .

    • @wiscot

      @dancollins

      @wiscot

      The NBC Sports Gold cycling package (I think I paid $29.00 for 6 months) is broadcasting the Vuelta live on its website. Well worth it for those of us in the USA.

      0

      I’m in the US but get my TV “over the air” these days. Cut the cable a few years back. That’s not too bad a price though . . .

      0

      I only get “over the air”, too.  But the NBC Sports Gold is something that you can get through your computer, tablet or (maybe) a smart TV app.  I put the app on my tablet so I can watch from anywhere.  Well, except from my place of employment – they would frown at that.

    • @MangoDave

      I believe Dave is correct. I don’t think you need a TV subscription to NBC Sports. As long as you have access to the internet, you can buy the NBC Sports Gold cycling package app. I watch it on my laptop and on my smartphone.

    • Froome has a time-sapping mechanical, Contador crashes out.

    • Froome has a mechanical – with none of the benefits of the Yellow Jersey!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Kruijswijk
      2. Bardet
      3. Yates
      4. Froome
      5. Aru
    • We have highlights on Itv4. Which means I have to endure that Watchfinder bastard again.

    • @RobSandy

      WFH with Eurosport on the Mac in the background.  Well maybe work in the background actually.

    • Commuted to my office today on my white bike! Everyone needs a white bike. Simple, clean, sexy! As much as I like my flashy Tommasini paint job, I love having a white/black bike and wearing white/black kit.  A moving Peugeot jersey!!

    • @Ron

      Commuted to my office today on my white bike! Everyone needs a white bike. Simple, clean, sexy! As much as I like my flashy Tommasini paint job, I love having a white/black bike and wearing white/black kit. A moving Peugeot jersey!!

      0

      Photos please. (or it didn’t happen!)

      Is there a most combative rider award at the Vuelta? We all know Thomas DeGendt was robbed of that award at the Tour, but here he is again at the Vuelta doing the same thing. Kicking ass and taking names every day in breakaways. Chapeau!

    • Barguil thrown out by Sunweb for not following team orders http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sunweb-send-barguil-home-from-vuelta-after-disagreements-over-tactics/

    • @Teocalli

      Barguil thrown out by Sunweb for not following team orders http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sunweb-send-barguil-home-from-vuelta-after-disagreements-over-tactics/

      0

      complete asininity.  sending Barguil home with a parcours this hilly is folly.

    • @Cary

      @Teocalli

      Barguil thrown out by Sunweb for not following team orders http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sunweb-send-barguil-home-from-vuelta-after-disagreements-over-tactics/

      0

      complete asininity. sending Barguil home with a parcours this hilly is folly.

      0

      Barguil is a short timer with Sunweb. He is signed with a new team next year so Sunweb owes him nothing. His personal results will benefit another team next year. Why keep him in the race if he is not going to be a team player?

      I would bet money that the decision to send him home had something to do with team morale.

    • @Rick

      @Cary

      @Teocalli

      Barguil thrown out by Sunweb for not following team orders http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sunweb-send-barguil-home-from-vuelta-after-disagreements-over-tactics/

      0

      complete asininity. sending Barguil home with a parcours this hilly is folly.

      0

      Barguil is a short timer with Sunweb. He is signed with a new team next year so Sunweb owes him nothing. His personal results will benefit another team next year. Why keep him in the race if he is not going to be a team player?

      I would bet money that the decision to send him home had something to do with team morale.

      0

      nothing’s better for morale than results, and Barguil was their best shot at that.  has to be more to the story than that.

    • @Rick

      Barguil refused to bring Kelderman back to the peloton after the latter suffered a puncture. Correct decision I think.

    • @KogaLover

      @Rick

      Barguil refused to bring Kelderman back to the peloton after the latter suffered a puncture. Correct decision I think.

      0

      I concur.

    • @Rick

      @KogaLover

      @Rick

      Barguil refused to bring Kelderman back to the peloton after the latter suffered a puncture. Correct decision I think.

      0

      I concur.

      0

      Agreed. I read a quote from Barguil to the effect that he didn’t want to ride for GC and was prepared to lose time to put himself in that situation. Sounds like Sunweb have a talented prima donna on their hands (for a while longer, at any rate.) One things for sure, Hinault never intimated and such sentiments and except for races such as the Tour where he was undisputed leader, he was known to be a very loyal teammate.

      I doubt Tom Dumoulin will be sorry to see Barguil go if that’s his attitude and actions.

    • @Cary

      @RobSandy

      @Cary

      a) i excluded Bardet from my list based on his final TdF TT, but included Cotador out of sentimentality and well wishes. one good decision cancels a bad one. story of my life.

      …and I took Bardet out based on your comments. Who’s the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows the fool?

      0

      i’ve been trying to figure that out since i was in the Marine Corps. no answers yet.

      0

      Turns out we were right about Bardet after all.

      Typical that the year I might win the VSP the points aren’t being calculated and there doesn’t seem to be any prizes!

      Doesn’t matter, I didn’t enter for the prizes. Like I don’t race for points..

    • @RobSandy

      @Cary

      @RobSandy

      @Cary

      a) i excluded Bardet from my list based on his final TdF TT, but included Cotador out of sentimentality and well wishes. one good decision cancels a bad one. story of my life.

      …and I took Bardet out based on your comments. Who’s the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows the fool?

      0

      i’ve been trying to figure that out since i was in the Marine Corps. no answers yet.

      0

      Turns out we were right about Bardet after all.

      Typical that the year I might win the VSP the points aren’t being calculated and there doesn’t seem to be any prizes!

      Doesn’t matter, I didn’t enter for the prizes. Like I don’t race for points..

      0

      chapeau to Bardet on a very well contested grand tour season.  don’t we kinda have to look at this as proof of clean racing?  ten years ago, you wouldn’t see a rider of Bardet’s caliber dying like he has.  i’ll not forget that final TdF TT, he looked thoroughly eviscerated.

    • @Cary

      Yeh, I like him. He’s a battler and looks fucking good on a bike.

      I’d like think he could win the Tour one day, although he might have to wait for Froome to retire!

    • @RobSandy

      Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

    • @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

      0

      i wanna do a cogal in England.  i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain.  i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

    • @RobSandy

      @Cary

      Yeh, I like him. He’s a battler and looks fucking good on a bike.

      I’d like think he could win the Tour one day, although he might have to wait for Froome to retire!

      0

      he kindareminds me of Robert Millar in his heyday.

    • @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

      0

      If it transpired we were down at the in-laws that weekend, probably a good chance.

      I’ve broached the subject and I’ll let you know.

    • @Cary

      @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

      0

      i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

      0

      Let me know if you’re ever in South Wales and I’ll take you out. I even know where to get good coffee.

      You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

    • @Cary

      @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

      0

      i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

      0

      You’d always be welcome to come and stay here.

    • @RobSandy

      @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

      0

       

      If it transpired we were down at the in-laws that weekend, probably a good chance.

      I’ve broached the subject and I’ll let you know.




      0

      Fingers crossed.

      Re short steep climbs – that’s kinda the Surrey Hills for you – and I live on the top of one.  In fact I think it’s about the second highest.  Pretty hard to find a flat ride from here.  I do often yearn for one.  Though it does mean that grabbing a quick hour to hour and a half from work can give a decent workout.

       

    • @RobSandy

      @Cary

      @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

      0

      i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

      0

      Let me know if you’re ever in South Wales and I’ll take you out. I even know where to get good coffee.

      You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

      1

      yeah. actually, that’s exactly my game!

    • @Cary

       

      @Cary

      @Teocalli

       

      You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

      1

      yeah. actually, that’s exactly my game!

      0

      This is what it’s like round here.

      https://www.strava.com/activities/707430920

    • @Teocalli

      @Cary

      @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Any chance you might get a pass for the Surrey Soup Cogal on the 16th?

      0

       

      i wanna do a cogal in England. i’ve been all over the world, but the closest i’ve been to Europe is Rota, Spain. i’ll leave the coffee at home, even.

      0

       

      You’d always be welcome to come and stay here.




      1

      though this forum seems to be on an, at least temporary, hiatus, it would be just great if the remaining contributors could make the best of what’s left.  i really appreciate this.

    • @RobSandy

      @Cary

      @Cary

      @Teocalli

      You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

      1

       

      yeah. actually, that’s exactly my game!

      0

       

      This is what it’s like round here.

      https://www.strava.com/activities/707430920




      0

      that looks outstanding, i wish i had terrain like this locally, but it’s pan-flat, and windy here.  i have to go out of town for even moderate hills, though the hilly rides just outside my metro area are SUPER nice.  heaven on earth, really.  nice ride, by the way.

    • @Cary

      @RobSandy

      @Cary

      @Cary

      @Teocalli

      You do like lots of short, very steep climbs don’t you?

      1

      yeah. actually, that’s exactly my game!

      0

      This is what it’s like round here.

      https://www.strava.com/activities/707430920

      0

      that looks outstanding, i wish i had terrain like this locally, but it’s pan-flat, and windy here. i have to go out of town for even moderate hills, though the hilly rides just outside my metro area are SUPER nice. heaven on earth, really. nice ride, by the way.

      0

      It was brutal. Some of the gradients are silly – 30% ish. Funny thing is, you could do a similar ride up the valley floors and miss out nearly all the hills. It’s a great place to live for a road cyclist round here. And the mountain biking is good too. There’s a reason we churn out loads and loads of pros.

    • @Cary

       




      1

       

      though this forum seems to be on an, at least temporary, hiatus, it would be just great if the remaining contributors could make the best of what’s left. i really appreciate this.

      We’re still here, chatting about bikes and rides and riders.

    • @RobSandy

      @Cary

      1

      though this forum seems to be on an, at least temporary, hiatus, it would be just great if the remaining contributors could make the best of what’s left. i really appreciate this.

      We’re still here, chatting about bikes and rides and riders.

      0

      for sure, cycling is LIFE!  as a fan, and a rider, i’m not going anywhere.

    • @RobSandy

      And that looks like fun ! Cheers

    • Alessandro De Marchi (BMC), Alexis Gougeard (AG2R-La Mondiale), Thomas De Gendt (Lotto Soudal) and Arnaud Courteille (FDJ) have maintained an average speed of 42.8km/h in the first two hours of racing. 

      That’s my average speed for my 10 mile PB. And look at the parcours they have done that on?

      Animals.

    • @RobSandy

      Alessandro De Marchi (BMC), Alexis Gougeard (AG2R-La Mondiale), Thomas De Gendt (Lotto Soudal) and Arnaud Courteille (FDJ) have maintained an average speed of 42.8km/h in the first two hours of racing.

      That’s my average speed for my 10 mile PB. And look at the parcours they have done that on?

      Animals.

      0

      That’s why they get paid to ride, and we don’t!

    • @Teocalli

      i just took my new Masi out for a 30k hellfest.  while i was suffering like a stray dog in a gutter, i kept looking at my chrome luggs, and was duly fortified by the visage.  the communication from the road, provided by Reynolds steel, an appreciated bonus.  road cycling is so much more than heart rate and wattage.  a GREAT day in my life, among many, provided by a finely crafted and properly equipped machine.

    • @Cary

      @Teocalli

      i just took my new Masi out for a 30k hellfest. while i was suffering like a stray dog in a gutter, i kept looking at my chrome luggs, and was duly fortified by the visage. the communication from the road, provided by Reynolds steel, an appreciated bonus. road cycling is so much more than heart rate and wattage. a GREAT day in my life, among many, provided by a finely crafted and properly equipped machine.

      0

      Nice

    • I watched today’s stage courtesy of Steephill. I was hoping for some fireworks on the 28k climb to the summit finish. In the end, the GC contenders finished mostly together. Zakarin attacked and gained time to move into third place overall (which screwed my VSP picks).

      It seems these days everyone in Grand Tours rides to preserve their podium place rather than to win.

    • @Rick

      I watched today’s stage courtesy of Steephill. I was hoping for some fireworks on the 28k climb to the summit finish. In the end, the GC contenders finished mostly together. Zakarin attacked and gained time to move into third place overall (which screwed my VSP picks).

      It seems these days everyone in Grand Tours rides to preserve their podium place rather than to win.

      Maybe that’s it… But dang, the Sky train and Froome have mastered the tempo and power meter. Attacks get out ahead and as they come back out of the red, they slowly get reeled back in with steady Sky tempo that’s gotta be just near the limit. Nibali today got out front and then was pegged right at 10 sec and allowed to dangle out there. Wout Poels leads tempo in front and still finishes with lead group at end today ?!? So strong. More than a few attacks today were gobbled up and dropped out the back yes ? Lopez has looked super strong these past couple of days for sure. Cheers
    • @Rick

      @Randy C

      @Rick

      I watched today’s stage courtesy of Steephill. I was hoping for some fireworks on the 28k climb to the summit finish. In the end, the GC contenders finished mostly together. Zakarin attacked and gained time to move into third place overall (which screwed my VSP picks).

      It seems these days everyone in Grand Tours rides to preserve their podium place rather than to win.

      Maybe that’s it… But dang, the Sky train and Froome have mastered the tempo and power meter. Attacks get out ahead and as they come back out of the red, they slowly get reeled back in with steady Sky tempo that’s gotta be just near the limit. Nibali today got out front and then was pegged right at 10 sec and allowed to dangle out there. Wout Poels leads tempo in front and still finishes with lead group at end today ?!? So strong. More than a few attacks today were gobbled up and dropped out the back yes ? Lopez has looked super strong these past couple of days for sure. Cheers
      0

      I agree that Sky has become very skilled at riding to power numbers. I was surprised that no one attacked in the last kilometer, or 500 meters. They all just rode to the finish with Froome.

      0

      for me, excessive focus on hr and power has sucked a bit of the joy out of some group riding, and even watching certain races.  i know people that cannot talk about anything else on a group ride.  i have seen SO many crashes and other avoidable blunders on local rides due to lack of proper awareness and focus.  indeed, the idea that made the Velominati rules, and this community so attractive to me initially, was the embrace of the ride, and the awareness and soft focus necessary to fully EXPERIENCE it.  cycling on many levels, has turned into a live action SIMS game.

    • @Rick

      I watched today’s stage courtesy of Steephill. I was hoping for some fireworks on the 28k climb to the summit finish. In the end, the GC contenders finished mostly together. Zakarin attacked and gained time to move into third place overall (which screwed my VSP picks).

      It seems these days everyone in Grand Tours rides to preserve their podium place rather than to win.

      0

      Suits me – I’ve now got the top 3 in the right order. Wont last.

      I guess the reason no one launches attacks against Froome and Sky is simply that they can’t. The pace is so high that to attack from it is just too much.

      Unless you’re Lopez and can ride away from everyone, at altitude, and cross the line on your own without seemingly needing to breathe. Hmm….

    • @Cary

      for me, excessive focus on hr and power has sucked a bit of the joy out of some group riding, and even watching certain races. i know people that cannot talk about anything else on a group ride. i have seen SO many crashes and other avoidable blunders on local rides due to lack of proper awareness and focus. indeed, the idea that made the Velominati rules, and this community so attractive to me initially, was the embrace of the ride, and the awareness and soft focus necessary to fully EXPERIENCE it. cycling on many levels, has turned into a live action SIMS game

      Agreed. I for one have removed my bike computer. I let my phone record my ride so after I’ve finished I can see how far, how hard, how fast I went. During the ride I go with feel.

       

    • @davidlhill

      @Cary

      for me, excessive focus on hr and power has sucked a bit of the joy out of some group riding, and even watching certain races. i know people that cannot talk about anything else on a group ride. i have seen SO many crashes and other avoidable blunders on local rides due to lack of proper awareness and focus. indeed, the idea that made the Velominati rules, and this community so attractive to me initially, was the embrace of the ride, and the awareness and soft focus necessary to fully EXPERIENCE it. cycling on many levels, has turned into a live action SIMS game

      Agreed. I for one have removed my bike computer. I let my phone record my ride so after I’ve finished I can see how far, how hard, how fast I went. During the ride I go with feel.

      0

      i do the same.  i turn on Strava, and shove the phone in a jersey pocket.  i must say that many of the data-driven riders i know are FAR fitter than i am.

    • I had to give up doing mtb navigator events when I could no longer read the map on the go as I needed to stop and get out reading glasses.  I’ll soon not be able to read the Garmin anyway.

    • in the “thoroughly unrelated to the Vuelta” dept:   Jobst Brandt made it onto a Clif Bar.  i am a little surprised he hasn’t had a writeup on this site.  surely a cycling icon, maybe in no small part due to this image of him on the Gavia.

    • So who’s going to win the TT today, and how many minutes will Froome’s lead be by the end?

    • @Teocalli

      Didn’t Bardet get done for it last year? Seems AG2R don’t learn.

       

      Did you also see Taylor Phinney got DQ’d from the Tour of Britain?

    • @RobSandy

      Yeah did see that re Phinney.  He said it was a split second decision – I guess he did not know the Highway Code re the flashing lights.  I guess in the US they just keep crossing when the bells are ringing.  Maybe he does not realise how fast some of our trains run over here compared to a 5 mile freight train in the US…….

    • @Teocalli

      @RobSandy

      Yeah did see that re Phinney. He said it was a split second decision – I guess he did not know the Highway Code re the flashing lights. I guess in the US they just keep crossing when the bells are ringing. Maybe he does not realise how fast some of our trains run over here compared to a 5 mile freight train in the US…….

      0

      I think he was completely aware – but he was out the back in the cars so I imagine he thought he might not get back on again. Feel for him actually.

    • @RobSandy

      So who’s going to win the TT today, and how many minutes will Froome’s lead be by the end?

      0

      Are the organisers taking the V-line by placing the TT and hardest climbs after the second rest day swaps?

      Not that it matters to me having Delgado’ due rose induced lethargy.

    • @chris

      @RobSandy

      So who’s going to win the TT today, and how many minutes will Froome’s lead be by the end?

      0

      Are the organisers taking the V-line by placing the TT and hardest climbs after the second rest day swaps?

      Not that it matters to me having Delgado’ due rose induced lethargy.

      0

      Frank seems to have removed rest day swaps this year. Accident or design, it’s fine by me.

      Did you notice that Froome was talking about how the GC favourite wouldn’t be going full gas in the TT to save themselves for the mountain days to come…then went full gas and smashed it.

    • @RobSandy

      @chris

      @RobSandy

      So who’s going to win the TT today, and how many minutes will Froome’s lead be by the end?

      0

      Are the organisers taking the V-line by placing the TT and hardest climbs after the second rest day swaps?

      Not that it matters to me having Delgado’ due rose induced lethargy.

      0

      Frank seems to have removed rest day swaps this year. Accident or design, it’s fine by me.

      Did you notice that Froome was talking about how the GC favourite wouldn’t be going full gas in the TT to save themselves for the mountain days to come…then went full gas and smashed it.

      0

      Yes I saw that… mind games !

       

    • @Ron

      I’m sure I’ve told you this before but you are not old my friend.  Plenty of time left before that!

    • @Ron

       

      On a brighter note, I zip tied the mount in place. Getting old sucks. I used to take an impact like that in contact sports daily and not even notice. Not today, not today my friends.

      0

      I hope the guys who used to tackle you weren’t made of tarmac. Crashing hurts, heal up quick.

    • @Ron

      Unrelated to the Vuelta, but want to out myself for a stupid move. Riding to the library last night, heading down this big hill leading out of my neighborhood. For some reason, the world-class university has decided to not light this part of campus at all. I lean down to turn on a light mounted on my fork. The mount slips and goes down the fork, with the light pinging into the spokes. So leaning forward, half off the bike, I grab my left (front) brake way too hard. It’s a v-brake and works great, but modulation is difficult as it’s so smooth.

      I go (insert what ass over tea kettle phrase you like here) head first over the bike, landing on my shoulder and elbow. Surprisingly, I only drew a few scrapes and blood. But today, my entire right torso is sore as heck, as is my right elbow and knee. Oh, and neck. I commuted to work today, but couldn’t imagine a 200k + stage. Those bastards are HardMen.

      On a brighter note, I zip tied the mount in place. Getting old sucks. I used to take an impact like that in contact sports daily and not even notice. Not today, not today my friends.

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      Lucky man! Could have been much worse! Hope you feel better soon.

      I had a narrow one myself on Monday helping a pal get a duck hunting boat out of a lake in southern Indiana. I was carrying the front of the boat up the metal trailer ramp and my legs slipped out from under me. The bow of the boat came down hard on the upper inside of my right kneecap. Small scrape and some pain, but all seems to be ok. Just as well: I’m riding the Door County century this weekend.

      Aqua Blue Sport. Worst jersey ever? No sponsor name on the front. What genius designed that? Discuss.

    • Thanks, guys. This is my commuter bike, so just cheapo Tektro V’s paired with Avid levers. Very nice pull action, but modulating with one hand/brake is NOT easy.

       

      So sore can barely move my right arm and my right knee is swollen as hell. Very sore, but I don’t think it’s anything long-term.

       

      It all happened so fast, as crashes usually do. Went down hard though, one of those where you get a weird taste in your mouth from the impact (not blood).

      Dropping a boat on yourself? Ouch!

    •  

      This is the attitude that is ruining Grand Tours. If Lemond would have had this attitude he The Professor would have another Tour win.

      I am not trying to pick on Kelderman, many riders seem to have this attitude these days.

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kelderman-i-will-fight-for-the-vuelta-a-espana-podium/

       

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kelderman-nibali-and-zakarin-are-my-vuelta-a-espana-rivals-not-froome/

    • @Rick

      This is the attitude that is ruining Grand Tours. If Lemond would have had this attitude he The Professor would have another Tour win.

      I am not trying to pick on Kelderman, many riders seem to have this attitude these days.

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kelderman-i-will-fight-for-the-vuelta-a-espana-podium/

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kelderman-nibali-and-zakarin-are-my-vuelta-a-espana-rivals-not-froome/

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      i blame the rise of data-driven cycling for this, and many other ills.  data clearly works, though.  Kelderman is likely correct in his assessment.

    • @Cary

      @Rick

      This is the attitude that is ruining Grand Tours. If Lemond would have had this attitude he The Professor would have another Tour win.

      I am not trying to pick on Kelderman, many riders seem to have this attitude these days.

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kelderman-i-will-fight-for-the-vuelta-a-espana-podium/

      http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kelderman-nibali-and-zakarin-are-my-vuelta-a-espana-rivals-not-froome/

      0

      i blame the rise of data-driven cycling for this, and many other ills. data clearly works, though. Kelderman is likely correct in his assessment.

      0

      It is not just Kelderman. It is Uran sucking wheels the entire Tour, happy to finish second by less than a minute. Data isn’t it is the riding to finish second or third or tenth that is ruining the sport. I blame the everyone gets a trophy culture.

    • @Ron

      You just need a smart phone and run something like Strava on it.  Smartphones have GPS inbuilt.  Only potential downside is log rides as it does tend to chew the battery vs the capacity of a dedicated GPS.  Might be better on newer phones though.

    • Damn fine result today! Does anyone deserve a GT stage win more than Thomas de Gendt? No-one, that’s who. The guy’s been busting his balls since the start of the Tour.

      Nice effort by Bertie today. A lot to play for on the Angliru tomorrow. The final classification isn’t set yet – although my VSP was doomed from the start.

    • @Rick

       

      0

      That is my point. No one races anymore.

      0

      Not sure that’s true. Zakarin and Kelderman have a pretty good low-key battle going on. But the only one’s racing to win are Froome and Nibali, for sure. And Contador is racing everyone.

      They need to have a good long look at Rule #70.

    • Chapeau, Senor Contador.

    • @Rick

      Chapeau, Senor Contador.

      0

      Hear, hear.

      Also, if VSP gets scored, I have the top three in the right order.

    • @RobSandy

      @Rick

      Chapeau, Senor Contador.

      0

      Hear, hear.

      Also, if VSP gets scored, I have the top three in the right order.

      0

      Congrats to you, Sir. I had the first two in order and Zakarin in fourth. His attack yesterday sunk my chances.

    • *sank my chances.

    • @Ron

      @davidlhill

      @Cary

      for me, excessive focus on hr and power has sucked a bit of the joy out of some group riding, and even watching certain races. i know people that cannot talk about anything else on a group ride. i have seen SO many crashes and other avoidable blunders on local rides due to lack of proper awareness and focus. indeed, the idea that made the Velominati rules, and this community so attractive to me initially, was the embrace of the ride, and the awareness and soft focus necessary to fully EXPERIENCE it. cycling on many levels, has turned into a live action SIMS game

      Agreed. I for one have removed my bike computer. I let my phone record my ride so after I’ve finished I can see how far, how hard, how fast I went. During the ride I go with feel.

      0

      Uh, as someone who still loves the size, simplicity, and durability of plain old Nokia “brick” phones, how does this work? Do you need a sensor on the bike or can the phone do it alone?

      I like to know distance and total time, for fun and for charting parts-life, and would LOVE to get even my basic computers off the bike. Please enlighten me.

      0

      Teocalli is right – I have a smartphone. My newer one is far better on battery life, especially as the screen isn’t on. I start the ride, start the app, turn off the screen and put the phone in my back pocket and forget about it. I also take a small external battery as the law of states that the one time it does kill the battery is the one time I need the phone to work as a phone!

    • @Rick

      @RobSandy

      @Rick

      Chapeau, Senor Contador.

      0

      Hear, hear.

      Also, if VSP gets scored, I have the top three in the right order.

      0

      Congrats to you, Sir. I had the first two in order and Zakarin in fourth. His attack yesterday sunk my chances.

      0

      Nice.  I had Contador correct in fourth, NITRO’d Froome and Nibbles.

      Summing up the Vuelta, I’m still not a big Froome fan, but the man deserves respect.  Got the sprinter’s jersey in the end, too.  Contador was fun to watch as he went out fighting.  I keep thinking how the race would have gone if he hadn’t had such a bad day on Stage 3.

    • @MangoDave

      @Rick

      @RobSandy

      @Rick

      Chapeau, Senor Contador.

      0

      Hear, hear.

      Also, if VSP gets scored, I have the top three in the right order.

      0

      Congrats to you, Sir. I had the first two in order and Zakarin in fourth. His attack yesterday sunk my chances.

      0

      Nice. I had Contador correct in fourth, NITRO’d Froome and Nibbles.

      Summing up the Vuelta, I’m still not a big Froome fan, but the man deserves respect. Got the sprinter’s jersey in the end, too. Contador was fun to watch as he went out fighting. I keep thinking how the race would have gone if he hadn’t had such a bad day on Stage 3.

      0

      I agree regarding Froome. He is a bike racer, period.

    • Froome is surely a champion.  i was rooting for him to win this Vuelta.  he’s taken so many shots at this race, you know this was a big deal for him.

      i mean look at the guy.  he looks like a survivor of some POW camp.  he’s walking the walk, in terms of what it means to be a Tour champion.  maybe he’s even redefining the term.  he, Bardet, and Contador have made this a very interesting summer.

    • He still looks terrible on a bike winky smiley

    • @Cary

      Re-reading the Hardmen and wonder whether Froome will make it to the next one. When Sky mentioned he wanted to take the double, I thought, OK that will happen and soon he was already leading the GC as if it was effortless. I think a bit more drama and showing of a bit more suffering would improve his image.He’s a good cyclist for sure.

    • @KogaLover

      @Cary

      Re-reading the Hardmen and wonder whether Froome will make it to the next one. When Sky mentioned he wanted to take the double, I thought, OK that will happen and soon he was already leading the GC as if it was effortless. I think a bit more drama and showing of a bit more suffering would improve his image.He’s a good cyclist for sure.

      0

      Froome is a champion, of that there’s no doubt. One of the great GT riders? Certainly, and a Giro win would cement that. Hardman? Hmmmm . . . not so sure. Age will catch up with Froome and as dominant as he has been, he’s not getting younger and the competition seems to be stiffening.

      I’m still very meh about him though. He doesn’t get me as emotionally engaged as say Dumoulin, Bardet, and a host of other riders.,

    • @chris

      @wiscot

      @KogaLover

      @Cary

      Re-reading the Hardmen and wonder whether Froome will make it to the next one. When Sky mentioned he wanted to take the double, I thought, OK that will happen and soon he was already leading the GC as if it was effortless. I think a bit more drama and showing of a bit more suffering would improve his image.He’s a good cyclist for sure.

      0

      Froome is a champion, of that there’s no doubt. One of the great GT riders? Certainly, and a Giro win would cement that. Hardman? Hmmmm . . . not so sure. Age will catch up with Froome and as dominant as he has been, he’s not getting younger and the competition seems to be stiffening.

      I’m still very meh about him though. He doesn’t get me as emotionally engaged as say Dumoulin, Bardet, and a host of other riders.,

      0

      I found it hard to like him but he’s been chipping away; attacking over summits and with Sagan last year, letting Aru know who was boss at the tour this year and not being content enough with the double that he had to get stuck into the sprinters going for the points jersey. I can’t help but like that.

      0

      Agreed. I think this year, in both the Tour and Vuelta, the victories didn’t come quite so easily. I think if he wins a GT with a scrappier, come-from-behind performance, that’ll win over a lot of folks.

    • Ok, ok. I’m a bit busy at work and don’t have time to pen an article on this. While Froome’s Tour-Vuelta double is amazing, it pales into comparison to Giovanni Battaglin’s 1981 Vuelta-Giro double. Fortunately, the good old “comic” Cycling Weekly has done the honors.

      Grand Tour Doubles – Giovanni Battaglin

      Impressive or what?

    • @wiscot

      Ok, ok. I’m a bit busy at work and don’t have time to pen an article on this. While Froome’s Tour-Vuelta double is amazing, it pales into comparison to Giovanni Battaglin’s 1981 Vuelta-Giro double. Fortunately, the good old “comic” Cycling Weekly has done the honors.

      http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/grand-tour-doubles-giovanni-battaglin-825

      Impressive or what?

      0

      super impressive.  also impressive, this year’s Il Lombardia route:  http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/il-lombardia-returns-to-the-muro-di-sormano-and-como-finish/

      if it’s a dry race, this will be one for the ages.

    • from Iljo Keisse’s Kamioenschapp van Vlaanderen Strava.  this parcours looks like a LOT of fun.  195km or rollers.  yes, please!

    • *of rollers..  lolz

       

    • Hey all! Sorry I’ve been MIA of late. Changed jobs at the end of June. My daughter’s high school golf season was August-September. Just had a lot of stuff going on. Fortunately, time enough to ride. Just ticked over 4,000 miles for the year yesterday, so everything after that is a bonus. My and rest of the PEZ crew’s thoughts on El Pistolero’s retirement. I know Alberto can be a bit of a polarizing figure, but I can’t help but like him. Cheers!

      http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/adios-alberto-the-pez-crew-looks-back-at-his-best/#.Wc1hCkyZPdQ

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    I have memories of my life before Cycling, but as the years wear slowly on my mind their edges become less pronounced, like water wearing away at a sharp stone. My memories of Cycling, which start at the age of […]

    • the older i get, the less appetite i have for “adventure”.  my life has been “adventurous” enough already, is my usual train of thought.  nevertheless, i am always thrilled when i get an opportunity to go ride somewhere else.  twice a year, i get the hell out of town for a weekend to go do something new on my bike, or at least do something i don’t do often.  gotta freshen the well somehow.

    • Reading this as an avid MTBiker it has a completely different taste. Though Velominati is rather road cycling realm cycling opens another universes once you are willing to leave paved roads and to go for uncharted paths in the woods. And yes, finding the way on the map and then making the hypothesis reality is certainly one of the great pleasures in cycling.

    • I don’t take many journeys by bike, car or train without craning my neck at a glimpse of unknown tarmac, wondering ‘where does that road go…?’.

      I’m also completely obsessed with maps – spend a lot of time on Bing maps with the Ordnance Survey maps turned on, looking for those squiggles.

    • Being a former avid boyscout, I still enjoy scrutinizing maps.

      Yet, as Switzerland is still not my homecountry, and me not always having a fair idea where I am (with almost every village -even the one where I live- ending with ****-ikon  , like Buttikon, confusing!) I tend to be less adventurous (ok, the risk of meeting sudden unanticipated and steep hills just around the corner, stuck in the big ring, plays a wee role as well). But, when back in the Netherlands, where I have no fixed routes, and more familiar with the topography, I ride as far as I want anywhere and then turn back. Going there as from Saturday this week!

    • @KogaLover

      Being a former avid boyscout, I still enjoy scrutinizing maps.

      Yet, as Switzerland is still not my homecountry, and me not always having a fair idea where I am (with almost every village -even the one where I live- ending with ****-ikon , like Buttikon, confusing!) I tend to be less adventurous (ok, the risk of meeting sudden unanticipated and steep hills just around the corner, stuck in the big ring, plays a wee role as well). But, when back in the Netherlands, where I have no fixed routes, and more familiar with the topography, I ride as far as I want anywhere and then turn back. Going there as from Saturday this week!

      this is always fun  i like doing things this way.  i’m not a huge fan of maps, really, as i looked at enough of them in the Marine Corps to last well into my next life.

    • When I’m out and about locally, I like to follow the mantra of “I don’t know where I am, but I’m not lost.” The beauty of the States is that most roads (well, here in WI at any rate), are usually on a grid pattern so getting totally lost is kinda impossible so long as you have a decent sense of awareness and direction.

    • Great article! I love maps and still use them, considering I don’t have a gps device on my bike and still use a basic cell phone.

      Oh man, the only way I can stand the frequent trips to eastern NC to visit the in-laws is by looking at all the country lanes running along the new highways, wishing I was on a bicycle and not in a car. With all the crazy motorists, I find myself riding more and more on the quietest routes and at really off-peak hours. Besides, nothing beats starting a weekend morning with a nice two-hour loop, back before the VMH is even out of bed.

    • @Pali65

      Reading this as an avid MTBiker it has a completely different taste. Though Velominati is rather road cycling realm cycling opens another universes once you are willing to leave paved roads and to go for uncharted paths in the woods. And yes, finding the way on the map and then making the hypothesis reality is certainly one of the great pleasures in cycling.

      I once crashed  while on a wanderlust of sorts on my mountain bike and for a brief moment thought I might have to call my wife for help. I had more panic from the idea that I would have to describe where I was as “I’m right here” than from any injuries.

      I found the spot on the Maprika app and since it wasn’t called “nearly broke my hip rock” I could point out the trails to her “just in case.”

    • Ha, I have this weird issue where if I try to think about a route I haven’t ridden in awhile, I find myself getting confused. But once I jump on the bike, I find myself just going, not thinking, and getting it right. Relatedly, when someone asks me for driving directions I either a) can’t tell them how to go because I don’t know road names, as I’m watching drivers and trying not to get run over, not looking at signs b) can tell them how to go, but halfway through I realize my route isn’t all passable via car c) can’t tell them how to go since I live my life in a little bubble, going the same places daily/weekly. I’m a big time creature of habit.

    • @universo

      mapped 58mi allroad route December 2015 because I had sent my frame to Toronto – no riding, may as well map a route – perfected this *essential route* thru 2016 – motivated to collaborate, sponsor and support it as The Saluda Roubaix race April 2017 – overheard race director David Hall with his team, “have no idea how he found some of these roads.” P.S. can someone figure out how to define *essential route* for the Lexicon here

      this looks gorgeous and fun.  i did my first gravel ride in May, and it was awesome.  hitting trails like this on a road bike at 40kph was pretty outrageous.

    • This one was a few years ago.  I love it when the pavement runs out.

    • @Cary

      @universo

      mapped 58mi allroad route December 2015 because I had sent my frame to Toronto – no riding, may as well map a route – perfected this *essential route* thru 2016 – motivated to collaborate, sponsor and support it as The Saluda Roubaix race April 2017 – overheard race director David Hall with his team, “have no idea how he found some of these roads.” P.S. can someone figure out how to define *essential route* for the Lexicon here

      this looks gorgeous and fun. i did my first gravel ride in May, and it was awesome. hitting trails like this on a road bike at 40kph was pretty outrageous.

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      Yup. Gravel is fun. I did the Bear 100 in northern WI this spring. 180 kms – 90%+ on gravel. For the last 30 kms the man with the hammer was sitting on my stem laughing at me and slapping me in the face while laughing hysterically. I’ll miss the Hibernator 100 in October, but I’ll be back for the Bear next year. It puts all other century rides into some serious perspective . . .

    • @wiscot

      @Cary

      @universo

      mapped 58mi allroad route December 2015 because I had sent my frame to Toronto – no riding, may as well map a route – perfected this *essential route* thru 2016 – motivated to collaborate, sponsor and support it as The Saluda Roubaix race April 2017 – overheard race director David Hall with his team, “have no idea how he found some of these roads.” P.S. can someone figure out how to define *essential route* for the Lexicon here

      this looks gorgeous and fun. i did my first gravel ride in May, and it was awesome. hitting trails like this on a road bike at 40kph was pretty outrageous.

      0

      Yup. Gravel is fun. I did the Bear 100 in northern WI this spring. 180 kms – 90%+ on gravel. For the last 30 kms the man with the hammer was sitting on my stem laughing at me and slapping me in the face while laughing hysterically. I’ll miss the Hibernator 100 in October, but I’ll be back for the Bear next year. It puts all other century rides into some serious perspective . . .

      0

      i don’t think i could do 180k on gravel.  my ride in may was a hilly 105k and i was completely bonked for the last 12k.

    • @Cary

      I hear ya! The Bear is pretty undulating with some pretty soft gravel most of the way. Many climbs have to be done seated otherwise your rear wheel spins out. The ride is unsupported. Four water stops (including one gas station) and that’s it. The forecast this year was between 80-100% chance of rain. Half the registrants (70 of 140) didn’t show,which is a big deal as it’s a pay-on-the-day gig. It started out chilly (mid 30s) and stayed dry until about a minute after we finished! Had it rained during the last two hours I’d have crawled into the woods to die and be eaten by whatever fancied my carcass. Good times!

    • I like this topic.  When the sign says Closed, I go there.  Five by Five.

    • As a former Moto tourer and aspiring bike tourer I am with you on the route planning. I used to be known as the navigator in my motorcycle riding group cause I knew all the best back roads, using you’re squiggly line theory :D

       

    • @Pali65

      I thirst for the chance to find myself lost on roads l recognize faintly or not at all! Then, all is new; l’m 8 riding my first big kid’s bike and searching for the edge of the world. I can time travel both directions!

    • @Perry Engstrom

      You reminded me of a strong experience I had as a kid. With my first bike I dared to ride out of my home city and suddenly I saw another city sign and till today I can recall the strong feeling of the very moment. I felt like Amundsen, Livingstone and Humboldt – my childhood heroes. Sounds odd, I know. But I was hooked and I never stopped scouting the unknown.

      More than 40 years later I am still on that trail and found some beautiful roads yesterday…

  • Somethings gone amuck with the rest day swaps code. I’ll see if I can get them working in time, but worst case is that no one swaps, which is not a terrible worst case…

  • I’m putting my money on the little pocket rocket from Columbia. Bardet is due to. I’m hoping my fifth place for Froome is giving him a higher place than he gets, but I want the points when he inevitably

    proves me wrong and wins.

    VSP PICKS:

    1. Quintana Roo
    2. Bardet
    3. The Door
    4. Aru
    5. Froome
  • As many of you know, I write a monthly column for Cyclist Magazine where I answer Dear Abby-esque questions, and the most recent query pertained to whether I consider the Tour the best race of the year, or whether […]

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Pinot
      5. Quintana
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Fuglsang
      3. Quintana
      4. Froome
      5. Aru
    • Porte FTW (fingers crossed!)

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Contador
      5. Aru
    • Got to be time for another of us Aussies to go to the top step.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Contador
      5. Five faces
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froomie
      2. Fucking Quintana
      3. Pass the Porte
      4. Aru
      5. Pass the Pinot
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Aru
      5. Valverde
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. (hey) Froomey
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Fuglsang
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Vroem-vroem Froome
      2. POSH (Porte Out Starboard Home)
      3. V-ana
      4. Contador Toreador
      5. Bird’s song (Fuglsang)
    • Error Please type something…What is occurring with my VSP picks?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Romain Bardet
      5. Fabio Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Aru
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Valverde
      2. Porte
      3. Bardet
      4. Pinot
      5. Benoot
    • i would love to see Valvecap win the Tour, just to see how badly everyone would SHIT.  lol

    • @Cary

      i would love to see Valvecap win the Tour, just to see how badly everyone would SHIT. lol

      0

      He did say he was fully committed to supporting Quintana.  Probably as usual by riding off up the road……….

    • One of the the top 5 will crash or get sick or something but which one…but the gamble is to leave one out of the picks altogether.  So controversially I’m going with Froomey not making it to Paris,  not even running.  Porte has peaked too soon, so that leaves it clear for Nairo.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Bardet
      4. Fugslang
      5. Mollema
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Contadoe
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Contador
      4. Quintana
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Fabio Aru
      5. Alberto Contador
    • Fortress Froome and Skybots can be had this year.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
    • This is not the order I want them to win…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador
    • Trying to think how to come up with a set that has a wild factor.  I was thinking Quintana might lose enough in the TTs so moved him off the podium but then is Aru likely to rock the TTs without fitting a rocket pack?  Ok the TTs are not long but……….so out with Aru and out with Contador.  Somehow he hasn’t seem quite the same since overdosing on Spanish steak.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Birdsong
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Bardet
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador
    • Not much logic in my picks, other than Froome can’t keep up his robotic performances indefinitely.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Aru
      5. Valverde
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
    • I give up trying to use the boxes to enter my picks. Technology has failed me once again.

      1. Porte

      2. Froome

      3. Quintana

      4. Aru

      5. Contador

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
    • @Chickenmcnasty

      I give up trying to use the boxes to enter my picks. Technology has failed me once again. 1. Porte 2. Froome 3. Quintana 4. Aru 5. Contador VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      0

      You are not trying to use IE are you?

    • @Chickenmcnasty

      Also I see you got one pick.  Don’t hit return between entries use the mouse or the down arrow key.

    • Wishful thinking, mostly

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Froome
      4. Contador
      5. Valverde
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Bardet
      3. Valverde
      4. Chaves
      5. Contador
    • the brain disagrees but this list is following my heart…

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Aru
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Quintana
      3. Froome
      4. Aru
      5. Bardet
    • Hmm, I’ve very curious to see how I personally react to the Tour this year. With a 14 month old on hand, job, wife, grad school, etc. I barely have time to ride, much less watch cycling. I hardly paid attention to the Giro. I almost feel guilty that I’m not that into watching pro cycling these days. But, I’ve always been a person who tries out new things, can become immersed, then moves on. I hope this never happens with my joy of riding, but I wonder if the Tour will lure me back in. We’ll see.

      Kicks off on Canada Day, nice one for our northern buddies! I was on Prince Edward Island five years ago on my honeymoon. Damn, I loved the Gentle Island.

    • @Ron

      Hmm, I’ve very curious to see how I personally react to the Tour this year. With a 14 month old on hand, job, wife, grad school, etc. I barely have time to ride, much less watch cycling. I hardly paid attention to the Giro. I almost feel guilty that I’m not that into watching pro cycling these days. But, I’ve always been a person who tries out new things, can become immersed, then moves on. I hope this never happens with my joy of riding, but I wonder if the Tour will lure me back in. We’ll see. Kicks off on Canada Day, nice one for our northern buddies! I was on Prince Edward Island five years ago on my honeymoon. Damn, I loved the Gentle Island.

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      Ron, if you don’t know about it, steephill.tv sounds like your answer. Lots of clips, highlights, photos, links to articles. The best place to go for one-stop Tour coverage. You could fit it in to your crazy scheduler somewhere!

    • Here goes the usual shite guesswork. I just want a clean, competitive race with no accidents. A few more TT kms would be nice, but Prudhomme hates TTs despite the fact that the Giro is screaming at him that it makes for a better race.

      I’ll go way out on a limb and predict another green jersey for Pinchy.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Chavez
      4. Quintana
      5. Porte
    • If you are watching on Sunday when it goes through Henri-Chapelle watch out for a bunch of folk in vintage kit.  L’eroica Limburg are doing a ride over there from Valkenburg to watch it go through.  I should be there hopefully, in Brooklyn colours.

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Alberto Contador
      5. Fabio Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Froome
      4. Bardet
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Chris
      2. PORTE Richie
      3. QUINTANA Nairo
      4. ARU Fabio
      5. CONTADOR Alberto
    • Nice open Tour by the look of things,

      Potre best on paper at this stage but has a habit of loosing time when he shouldn’t.

      Valverde I good form too – might light it up and make it interesting!

      Hard to leave El Pistola off this list but too many guys i the mix!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie “1 bad day” Porte
      2. The faces of Nairo Quintana
      3. Froomacil
      4. Pinot Noir
      5. Valverde
    • I would love Richie to win but I think for him to win his team has to be perfect and I just don’t think BMC have it…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Nairo Quintana
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Chris Froome
      4. Fabio Aru
      5. Romain Bardet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Aru
      3. Bardet
      4. Porte
      5. Contador
    • @wiscot

      @Ron

      Hmm, I’ve very curious to see how I personally react to the Tour this year. With a 14 month old on hand, job, wife, grad school, etc. I barely have time to ride, much less watch cycling. I hardly paid attention to the Giro. I almost feel guilty that I’m not that into watching pro cycling these days. But, I’ve always been a person who tries out new things, can become immersed, then moves on. I hope this never happens with my joy of riding, but I wonder if the Tour will lure me back in. We’ll see. Kicks off on Canada Day, nice one for our northern buddies! I was on Prince Edward Island five years ago on my honeymoon. Damn, I loved the Gentle Island.

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      Ron, if you don’t know about it, steephill.tv sounds like your answer. Lots of clips, highlights, photos, links to articles. The best place to go for one-stop Tour coverage. You could fit it in to your crazy scheduler somewhere!

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      Also, technically you are in the breeding and blimping stage of life so…

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Bardet
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Contador
      5. Aru
    • Bardet tin, Pinot out.

      not sure why I put Pinot in originally. Got my French favs mixed up.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie “1 bad day” Porte
      2. The faces of Nairo Quintana
      3. Froomacil
      4. Bardet
      5. Valverde
    • question:  has there ever been a grand tour team stacked deeper than Team Sky for this Tour?  Froome’s lieutenants would be team leaders elsewhere.

    • Froom will win it I guess.

      My choice would be Valverde, but the reason I will watch le Tour is Sagan and his show & pursuit of another Green jersey.

    • @Pali65

      Froom will win it I guess. My choice would be Valverde, but the reason I will watch le Tour is Sagan and his show & pursuit of another Green jersey.

      Sagan truly animates every event he participates.

    • @Erik

      Picks don’t show up. But they are mapped. So, just in case: Quintana Porte Contador Froome Pinot Richie’s jour sans will be Quintana’s saving grace. Contador podium is really just romance. Froome will gamely hang on but this won’t be his year. His fourth will come with a vengeance next year. And Pinot is just too good to be ignored.

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      That was almost a poem.

    • I think Froome will pull his best form out of the hat to beat Bardet and Porte in the last week.

      Quintana looked tired in the Giro and I don’t see him racing fresher.

      But what do I know?

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador
    • @RobSandy

      I think Froome will pull his best form out of the hat to beat Bardet and Porte in the last week. Quintana looked tired in the Giro and I don’t see him racing fresher. But what do I know? VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador
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      Given that the only difference between our picks is that you’ve gone for Froome over Bardet, I think you’ve probably nailed it.

      Or fucked it up just slightly less horribly than I have.

    • @frahronk The v-site is broken, paragraphs don’t work and it’s infected with nasty little social media likey likey things. /newpara If we must have social media buttons, can we have a little “that’s shite” turd button?

       

    • @chris

      @RobSandy

      I think Froome will pull his best form out of the hat to beat Bardet and Porte in the last week. Quintana looked tired in the Giro and I don’t see him racing fresher. But what do I know? VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador
      0

      Given that the only difference between our picks is that you’ve gone for Froome over Bardet, I think you’ve probably nailed it. Or fucked it up just slightly less horribly than I have.

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      I’d love it if Bardet won the Tour. But like I’ve said before, never bet on the guy you want to win.

    • @chris

      @frahronk The v-site is broken, paragraphs don’t work and it’s infected with nasty little social media likey likey things. /newpara If we must have social media buttons, can we have a little “that’s shite” turd button?

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      Best thing is, the ‘Like’ buttons don’t work either!

      Suits me, I don’t like anything.

    • @RobSandy

      They seem to work for me, I’ve just liked your post. Perhaps the system recognises your likeless, cynical soul.

      Disclaimer: I only clicked like to test it. I generally do my liking anonymously, in private and elsewhere. I am British, after all, and wouldn’t want anyone to see me show emotion.

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nairo Quintana
      2. Alejandro Valverde
      3. Richie Porte
      4. Warren Barguil
      5. Dan Martin
    • Interesting interview with Froome on the Beeb – has some detailed observations

      about going in to the pain cave: http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/40436886

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Fuglsang
      5. Bardet
    • Froome wins, that’s what he does. Seen the Sky team? You could start a war with that lot, three of them capable of a top five or even a podium.

      Tempted to pick Porte over Quintana for second but I think the Movistar machine will swing it for the impassive Colombian.

      The rest? Pick any two from a dozen or so rising stars, nearly men, and super-domestiques

      .

      VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
      3. PORTE Richie
      4. BARDET Romain
      5. ARU Fabio
    • @Teocalli

      If you are watching on Sunday when it goes through Henri-Chapelle watch out for a bunch of folk in vintage kit. L’eroica Limburg are doing a ride over there from Valkenburg to watch it go through. I should be there hopefully, in Brooklyn colours.

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      Much envy

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Vroem-vroem Froome
      2. POSH (Porte Out Starboard Home)
      3. V-ana
      4. Contador Toreador
      5. Bird’s song (Fuglsang)
    • @Teocalli

      If you are watching on Sunday when it goes through Henri-Chapelle watch out for a bunch of folk in vintage kit. L’eroica Limburg are doing a ride over there from Valkenburg to watch it go through. I should be there hopefully, in Brooklyn colours.

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      Should be amazing!  Next year I’ll be at Limburg (although I doubt it will be close to the tdf next year–but one can hope!).

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Quintana
      3. Froome
      4. Bertie
      5. Valverde
    • @chris

      @frahronk The v-site is broken, paragraphs don’t work and it’s infected with nasty little social media likey likey things. /newpara If we must have social media buttons, can we have a little “that’s shite” turd button?

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      I like your idea, but 95% of what’s on Social Media is generally classifiable as “shite.” I like to think the V-site shite is a better class of shite. Designer shite if you will, for a discerning audience.

    • I guess as a Brit I should be rooting for Froomey/Sky but the last few months shenanegins make me not want to see another tour dominated by the Sky Train.

    • @chris

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Contadoe
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      @sthilzy

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Bardet
      2. Froomey
      3. Quintana
      4. Porte
      5. Pinot
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Aru
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Contador
      5. Aru
    • Going with some non-obvious choices.  Time will tell if there is enough chaos for this to come to pass.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Jacob Fugslang
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Roman Bardet
      4. Nairo Quintana
      5. Alejandro Valverde
    • Astana has two guys. Does that work? Cannondale has all the US rep’s. I like Cannondale. Quintana and the double… that’s gotta be tough. TdF starts with a TT and at same time

      I’ll be in Louisville watching the USAC Juniors race for Nat’s. Louisville will be infinitely more fun. Cheers all.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. PORTE Richie
      3. BARDET Romain
      4. QUINTANA Nairo
      5. CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
    • @Geraint

      Froome wins, that’s what he does. Seen the Sky team? You could start a war with that lot, three of them capable of a top five or even a podium. Tempted to pick Porte over Quintana for second but I think the Movistar machine will swing it for the impassive Colombian. The rest? Pick any two from a dozen or so rising stars, nearly men, and super-domestiques . VSP PICKS:

      1. FROOME Christopher
      2. QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
      3. PORTE Richie
      4. BARDET Romain
      5. ARU Fabio

      i was thinking the last Grand Tour team as deep as team Sky was maybe ’71 Molteni, with Swerts, Bruyere, Huysmans, Deschoenmaker.  when you’ve got four champions for lieutenants, anything less than victory is a surprise.

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Pinot
      5. Bardet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Fulsang
      5. Bardet
    • Bit obvious…but here goes!

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Alberto Contador
      5. Alejandro Valverde
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Thibault Pinot
      3. Froome
      4. Bardet
      5. Quintana
    • Why is it that no one eve asks me to take part in studies like this?

    • @chris

      Why is it that no one eve asks me to take part in studies like this?

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      And that is hard to believe !

    • @Randy C

      @chris

      Why is it that no one eve asks me to take part in studies like this?

      0

      And that is hard to believe !

      0

      The results of the study are hard to believe or it’s hard to believe they didn’t ask me?

       

    • @chris

      @Randy C

      @chris

      Why is it that no one eve asks me to take part in studies like this?

      0

      And that is hard to believe !

      0

      The results of the study are hard to believe or it’s hard to believe they didn’t ask me?

      0

      An athlete of your caliber would almost certainly skew the results.

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Bardet
      5. Fugslang
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Nairo Quintana
      2. Alejandro Valverde
      3. Alberto Contador
      4. Fabio Aru
      5. Richie Porte
    • Hsrd to pick against Froome

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Valverde
      4. Quintana
      5. Contador
    • @RobSandy

      A fairly low calibre. Theres enough other stuff sloshing around in there after last night that you probably struggle to find any EPO.

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Fuglsang
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet
    • Let’s just hope there isn’t too much overdoing it with the yellow and green bits, beyond the jersey itself.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Aru
      5. Quintana
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Porte
      4. Contador
      5. Aru
    • Cant wait

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Alejandro Valverde
      4. Romain Bardet
      5. Jacob Fuglsang
    • @chris

      Maybe I meant Kalibe then. Although that’s alcohol free…

    • @RobSandy

      Kaliber.

      joke ruined by fat fingers…

    • This list has a kinda familiar

      ring to it

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome Dog
      2. Richie Porte
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Clenbutador
      5. Adam Yates
    • I’m hoping for some exciting racing, though my picks aren’t very exciting.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome, Chris
      2. Porte, Richie
      3. Bardet, Romain
      4. Quintana, Nairo
      5. Aru, Fabio
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Aru
      2. Froome
      3. Quintana
      4. Porte
      5. Bardet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Nairo Quintana
      3. Alberto Contador
      4. Romain Bardet
      5. Adam Yates
    • Here goes nothing

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Bardet
      3. Contador
      4. Fuglsang
      5. Aru
    • I’m putting my money on the little pocket rocket from Columbia. Bardet is due to. I’m hoping my fifth place for Froome is giving him a higher place than he gets, but I want the points when he inevitably

      proves me wrong and wins.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana Roo
      2. Bardet
      3. The Door
      4. Aru
      5. Froome
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Bardet
      3. Froome
      4. Quintana
      5. Fuglsang
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Valverde
      3. Contador
      4. Fuglsang
      5. Bardet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. R. Porte
      2. C. Froome
      3. E. Chaves
      4. R. Bardet
      5. Valverde
    • Crazy with Contador.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Contador
      2. Froome
      3. Porte
      4. Quintana
      5. Bardet
    • Best moment of last year’s edition ? Was it Froome attacking over the top for big descent off the front or was it Froome and Thomas hitching on to Sagan and Bodnar for an attack off the front ? Either way, anyone seeing Teams Porte, Nairo, Bardet pulling off that kinda race action ? We shall see… anyways, The Sky Train/Froome Fortress, unless misfortune strikes, is very, very strong.

      btw @chris hard to believe the idea put forth that it doesn’t work !!!

      cheers all

    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador
    • @wiscot

      @chris

      @frahronk The v-site is broken, paragraphs don’t work and it’s infected with nasty little social media likey likey things. /newpara If we must have social media buttons, can we have a little “that’s shite” turd button?

      0

      I like your idea, but 95% of what’s on Social Media is generally classifiable as “shite.” I like to think the V-site shite is a better class of shite. Designer shite if you will, for a discerning audience.

      0

      If by “discerning” you mean “shite,” then yes.

    • What the heck. Froome is already older than Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault and Indurain were when they won their fifth Tours. So’s Valverde, but I’m picking he and Bardet can get something from the descent finishes. With less than 40km of time trials the race is made for Bardet, but Valverde looks smarter and more durable to me…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Valverde
      2. Bardet
      3. Porte
      4. Froome
      5. Chaves
    • After sitting out the Giro because my picks did not register, and then delgadoing the Tour de Suisse, I am jumping back into the fray.  Although, my picks seem rather lemming-like…  And we’re off for a three-week adventure just like that.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Quintana
      2. Porte
      3. Froome
      4. Bardet
      5. Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Richie Porte
      2. Chris Froome
      3. Nairo Quintana
      4. Robert Gesink
      5. Alberto Contador
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Bardet
      4. Contador
      5. Quintana
    •  

    • Gah, having such an off year. Shots in the dark…

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Chris Froome
      2. Nairo Quintana
      3. Romain Bardet
      4. Richie Porte
      5. Alberto Contador
    • Predictable choice. Expecting Quintana to be the ‘nearly man’ once again.

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Quintana
      3. Pinot
      4. Contador
      5. Bardet
    • VSP PICKS:

      1. Porte
      2. Froome
      3. Contador
      4. Quintana
      5. Aru
    • Holy shit. Just remembered at the last minute. Literally figuratively the last minute!

      VSP PICKS:

      1. Froome
      2. Porte
      3. Quintana
      4. Aru
      5. Izagirre Ion
    • Ya’ll watching the start of this TT? Raining, wet and all the corners and road paint. Nacer Bouhanni may as well get off his bike and walk around the corners as fast as he’s taken some of ’em. And he’s making a catch too ?!? Super exciting… yahhhnnn… Wouldn’t that be classic suck yes? Day 1 and someone finds themselves a pile of time back after they dump it in a wet slick corner full of road paint.

    • Not that far away in Valkenburg and its pissing it down and has been since the early hours.  Would have had an epic ride this morning but managed to take a wrong turn – again and did the bleedin’ short course – again.  Somewhat miffed as along with another guy we are sure we didn’t miss a sign but clearly we must have.  Oh well, off to see the TdF go by tomorrow.

    • @Randy C

      Ya’ll watching the start of this TT? Raining, wet and all the corners and road paint. Nacer Bouhanni may as well get off his bike and walk around the corners as fast as he’s taken some of ’em. And he’s making a catch too ?!? Super exciting… yahhhnnn… Wouldn’t that be classic suck yes? Day 1 and someone finds themselves a pile of time back after they dump it in a wet slick corner full of road paint.

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      Valverde down and slid in the barriers hard – didn’t look like he was getting up anytime quickly.

    • One down. More proof that it never pays to bet for or against Valverde. Hope he’s not too injured. Looked like a hard fall.

    • As much as I truly detest Malmerde and wish that he would just go away from cycling forever, I never wish him any harm or that he will crash.

      Hope he is fine and not hurt too awfully bad.

    • @Buck Rogers

      As much as I truly detest Malmerde and wish that he would just go away from cycling forever, I never wish him any harm or that he will crash. Hope he is fine and not hurt too awfully bad.

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      Broken kneecap. Sounds painful.

      On the plus side, Go G! I am absolutely made up for the guy, especially after the Giro. Stage win an Maillot Jaune, probably for a good few days too. Legend.

    • That was a stupid start to the TdF… So, the main goal of the opening stage for the racers was to stay upright ?? And here we are with an entirely upset set of circumstances to kick everything off as a result of a stupid course that had no business being raced in the rain. Wonder if anyone setting this up thought, well geeze, wouldn’t this be a real beauty if it rains ? Stupid stage. My opinion.

    • Richie Porte looked like a mightily relieved man.

    • @Buck Rogers

      As much as I truly detest Malmerde and wish that he would just go away from cycling forever, I never wish him any harm or that he will crash.

      Hope he is fine and not hurt too awfully bad.

      why do people dislike him?  is it the doping connection, or is he some kind of arrogant among arrogants?  this isn’t a troll, i’m asking an honest question.  he doesn’t seem any better or worse than many of the other higher profile pro tour riders, to me.

    • @Teocalli

      Not that far away in Valkenburg and its pissing it down and has been since the early hours. Would have had an epic ride this morning but managed to take a wrong turn – again and did the bleedin’ short course – again. Somewhat miffed as along with another guy we are sure we didn’t miss a sign but clearly we must have. Oh well, off to see the TdF go by tomorrow.

      0

      At least you got 100k in; I got zero… How many heightmeters?

    • This could be perfect, Thomas follows team orders and rides in support of Froome but with only a few mountain stages has no jour sans, finishes with him everyday and wins.

       

    • @ChrisO

      relieved not to crash?

    • @Cary

      @Buck Rogers

      As much as I truly detest Malmerde and wish that he would just go away from cycling forever, I never wish him any harm or that he will crash.

      Hope he is fine and not hurt too awfully bad.

      why do people dislike him? is it the doping connection, or is he some kind of arrogant among arrogants? this isn’t a troll, i’m asking an honest question. he doesn’t seem any better or worse than many of the other higher profile pro tour riders, to me.

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      For most it’s the way he skated through Puerto under full protection of the Spanish Federation – http://www.velominati.com/racing/how-the-mighty-fall/ and has since seemed to get better & better despite advancing years…

    • @Mikael Liddy

      @Cary

      Hmmm, link didn’t work. http://www.velominati.com/racing/how-the-mighty-fall/

      very interesting.  i had noticed that some riders seemingly skate through untouched, while others are hammered.  i have been quite unaware Spain’s national federation had behaved this way.

    • truth be told, if i had my own country supporting my indiscretions, i’d likely continue doing exactly what i was doing, given the amount of money at stake.

    • @Cary

      Sorry, just seeing this.

      It is the completely unrepentant doper who is obviously still on the sauce and doesn’t bother really hiding his past or showing any concern or shame about it.  Not to mention the way he attacked like FUCK Cuddles flat that cost Cuddles the Vuelta and gave Malmerde the victory.

      The guy has no class or integrity or honour and is everything that is wrong with the sport and everything that the sport is trying to cleanse itself of and get ride of.

    • For our TdF excursion we had what I believe was an official TdF Photo bike.  He’s a few of the pics he took as the TdF went through.  Either side of this wee storm it was a nice day.

    • @RobSandy

      @ChrisO

      relieved not to crash?

      0

      Exactly. The ITV interviewer grabbed him on the turbo and asked was he happy to get through and Porte just couldn’t have agreed any harder.

    • @ChrisO

      @RobSandy

      @ChrisO

      relieved not to crash?

      0

      Exactly. The ITV interviewer grabbed him on the turbo and asked was he happy to get through and Porte just couldn’t have agreed any harder.

      0

      He was probably also relieved that he won’t have the pressure of being anywhere close to leading the race. He gave away The Tour in the first stage.

    • @Rick

      @ChrisO

       

      @ChrisO

      relieved not to crash?

      0

      Exactly. The ITV interviewer grabbed him on the turbo and asked was he happy to get through and Porte just couldn’t have agreed any harder.

      0

      He was probably also relieved that he won’t have the pressure of being anywhere close to leading the race. He gave away The Tour in the first stage.

      0

      He’s let quite a big time gap open to Froome already which he’s going to have to work hard to close. 30 odd seconds is never trivial.

      I’m not surprised any of the other main contenders didn’t finish closer to the top of the stage rankings, but I’m surprised that none of them were any closer to Froome – didn’t a lot of these guys beat Froome in a TT in the Dauphine?

    • @RobSandy

      @Rick

      @ChrisO

      @ChrisO

      relieved not to crash?

      0

      Exactly. The ITV interviewer grabbed him on the turbo and asked was he happy to get through and Porte just couldn’t have agreed any harder.

      0

      He was probably also relieved that he won’t have the pressure of being anywhere close to leading the race. He gave away The Tour in the first stage.

      0

      He’s let quite a big time gap open to Froome already which he’s going to have to work hard to close. 30 odd seconds is never trivial.

      I’m not surprised any of the other main contenders didn’t finish closer to the top of the stage rankings, but I’m surprised that none of them were any closer to Froome – didn’t a lot of these guys beat Froome in a TT in the Dauphine?

      0

      Sky are winning because they used very cheaty skinsuits on Stage 1. Or so some FDJ aligned French boffin has alleged.

       

    • @chris

      @RobSandy

      @Rick

      @ChrisO

      @ChrisO

      relieved not to crash?

      0

      Exactly. The ITV interviewer grabbed him on the turbo and asked was he happy to get through and Porte just couldn’t have agreed any harder.

      0

      He was probably also relieved that he won’t have the pressure of being anywhere close to leading the race. He gave away The Tour in the first stage.

      0

      He’s let quite a big time gap open to Froome already which he’s going to have to work hard to close. 30 odd seconds is never trivial.

      I’m not surprised any of the other main contenders didn’t finish closer to the top of the stage rankings, but I’m surprised that none of them were any closer to Froome – didn’t a lot of these guys beat Froome in a TT in the Dauphine?

      0

      Sky are winning because they used very cheaty skinsuits on Stage 1. Or so some FDJ aligned French boffin has alleged.

      Apparently, they have been used in competiton prior to The Tour and have been approved by the UCI.
    • @chris

      Touche.

    • Changing the subject, anyone know why Kwiatkowski was wearing black while the rest of Sky are wearing white? Is that some sort of cheat too?

    • @RobSandy

      Changing the subject, anyone know why Kwiatkowski was wearing black while the rest of Sky are wearing white? Is that some sort of cheat too?

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      If you are referring to stage 2, I thought he was wearing a black rain jacket. I don’t recall whether he was wearing black during the ITT.

    • @Rick

      @RobSandy

      Changing the subject, anyone know why Kwiatkowski was wearing black while the rest of Sky are wearing white? Is that some sort of cheat too?

      0

      If you are referring to stage 2, I thought he was wearing a black rain jacket. I don’t recall whether he was wearing black during the ITT.

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      I’d also assumed it was a Gabba type rain jacket.

    • @chris

      I believe that Phil mentioned that he was wearing a black rain jacket.

    • @Rick

      @chris

      I believe that Phil mentioned that he was wearing a black rain jacket.

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      I am convinced that he was wearing what looked exactly like a black version of the jersey that the other riders were wearing. I noticed a different Sky rider wearing a black gillet with the white sleeves of the jersey sticking out, but I’m sure Kwiatkowski was all in black.

      Now, of course, I can’t find any photos to back up my claim.

    • @Rick

      This is the best I can do – that’s Kwiat just ahead of Froome. Looks to me like a normal jersey but in black. Also noticed he was wearing a different helmet.

    • @RobSandy

      @Rick

      This is the best I can do – that’s Kwiat just ahead of Froome. Looks to me like a normal jersey but in black. Also noticed he was wearing a different helmet.

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      Good find. I thought it was a black rain jacket but not sure.  Perhaps he forgot to get his white jersey in the laundry?

    • @Rick

      @RobSandy

      @Rick

      This is the best I can do – that’s Kwiat just ahead of Froome. Looks to me like a normal jersey but in black. Also noticed he was wearing a different helmet.

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      Good find. I thought it was a black rain jacket but not sure. Perhaps he forgot to get his white jersey in the laundry?

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      Not convinced. It doesn’t seem to have the new Sky Castelli horizontal line motif seen on the Aero Race jersey but does seem to have the relatively thick horizontal black pocket trim across the tops of the pockets of the Gabba 3.

      I think being the club kit secretary has turned me into a bit of a spotter…

    • @chris

      @Rick

      @RobSandy

      @Rick

      This is the best I can do – that’s Kwiat just ahead of Froome. Looks to me like a normal jersey but in black. Also noticed he was wearing a different helmet.

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      Good find. I thought it was a black rain jacket but not sure. Perhaps he forgot to get his white jersey in the laundry?

      0

      Not convinced. It doesn’t seem to have the new Sky Castelli horizontal line motif seen on the Aero Race jersey but does seem to have the relatively thick horizontal black pocket trim across the tops of the pockets of the Gabba 3.

      I think being the club kit secretary has turned me into a bit of a spotter…

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      Nice find. That makes sense as I believe that riders who are not in approved kit are fined. Latitude is given for rain gear in bad weather.

      Not that it matters but I saw a podium photo of Sky for the top team presentation. Eight were wearing white while the only non conformist was wearing yellow.

    • Sagan unclips and STILL wins.  what an animal!

    • @Cary

      Sagan unclips and STILL wins. what an animal!

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      Not the first time. Believe 2015 WC championships saw a similar Saganical (i coined that word back then but never made it to the Lexicon)

    • Sagan is a phenomenal rider but he looks like a fucking clown.

      In the name of all that is holy… what was he wearing around his neck. Pink ski goggles? The cap looked stupid enough with his hair doing a comic turn, he really didn’t need to accessorize it.

      Sorry but I just can’t feel the love, however many bike races he wins.

    • @ChrisO

      Sagan is a phenomenal rider but he looks like a fucking clown.

      In the name of all that is holy… what was he wearing around his neck. Pink ski goggles? The cap looked stupid enough with his hair doing a comic turn, he really didn’t need to accessorize it.

      Sorry but I just can’t feel the love, however many bike races he wins.

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      The goggles that he wore on the podium were not worn during the stage. He was wearing traditional black framed shades when he crossed the finish line. He may well have been wearing pink ski goggles on the podium. I am 100% sure that this was sponsor mandated as they were plastered with the company logo. I would also be willing to bet that the podium hat was sponsor ordered as well.

      It is hard to argue that he sometimes looks like a clown. Below is a photo of him at the UCI awards last year. I find him refreshing and entertaining and am willing to let Peter be Peter. I think he is the best ambassador for the sport in decades.

    • BTW: I meant to post that on the other thread with the backstage pass…

    • @Buck Rogers

       

      And what the fuck was Malmerde doing anyways? He was supposed to support Quintana at this tour, which he stated that he whole-heartedly would, and yet he goes out 110% on a fuckingly known wet and crazy course and just tries to kill it for himself? He should have doubly been careful knowing that he was a supporter for Quintana’s GC ambitions. What an ass but totally keeping with his lack of character.

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      To do him some credit (which I’m sure you wont agree with) he was riding hard to try and do the Movistar double-threat of having Valverde and Quintana both as GC contenders.

      But everyone else rode that corner and 1 rider crashed there. That’s not dangerous conditions, that’s someone overcooking it.

      What are the organisers going to say? “Sorry lads, bit wet out, everyone take it easy”. We don’t want that.

    • Fuck!  Sagan just took Cav out badly!  Curious as to how badly they punish him?

    • @Buck Rogers

      Yes, I am a big Sagan fan but that was unacceptable.

    • @Rick

      @Buck Rogers

      Yes, I am a big Sagan fan but that was unacceptable.

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      Yup.  I have always loved Sagan but that was really bad.  Relegated to last on the stage for sure, I wonder if anything other punishment?

    • @Buck Rogers

      @Rick

      @Buck Rogers

      Yes, I am a big Sagan fan but that was unacceptable.

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      Yup. I have always loved Sagan but that was really bad. Relegated to last on the stage for sure, I wonder if anything other punishment?

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      Shit, they are describing it on live text. Sounds like Cav has done a collarbone, tour over?

      What about G? Anyone else get taken out in either crash?

      The more racing I do, the more pro bunch sprints shit me up.

    • @RobSandy

      @Buck Rogers

      @Rick

      @Buck Rogers

      Yes, I am a big Sagan fan but that was unacceptable.

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      Yup. I have always loved Sagan but that was really bad. Relegated to last on the stage for sure, I wonder if anything other punishment?

      0

      Shit, they are describing it on live text. Sounds like Cav has done a collarbone, tour over?

      What about G? Anyone else get taken out in either crash?

      The more racing I do, the more pro bunch sprints shit me up.

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      Thomas and Froome looked fine across the line.

    • @Buck Rogers

      Fuck! Sagan just took Cav out badly! Curious as to how badly they punish him?

      0

      Fuck Sagan. That was unacceptable. He put Cav into the barriers with an elbow. I don’t want to hear any bullshit about “Oh, I had to or I was going to crash myself” – Sagan is probably the best bike handler in the peloton. He should be thrown out of the race – but they won’t because he’s good for ratings and world champ.

    • @wiscot

      @Buck Rogers

      Fuck! Sagan just took Cav out badly! Curious as to how badly they punish him?

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      Fuck Sagan. That was unacceptable. He put Cav into the barriers with an elbow. I don’t want to hear any bullshit about “Oh, I had to or I was going to crash myself” – Sagan is probably the best bike handler in the peloton. He should be thrown out of the race – but they won’t because he’s good for ratings and world champ.

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      Exactly what I was thinking and it makes me cringe to think it.  They will not throw him out b/c he is WAYYYYY to popular but man, that was pretty vicious.  Cav was questionably trying to get throw an opening that was closing but Sagan just fucked him straight into the barriers.  No excuse.

    • Via Twitter:

      1m

      Selon @BorjaCuadrado, la Dimension Data demande l’expulsion du Tour de France de Peter Sagan, pour son geste sur Cavendish. #TDF2017

    • @Rick

      Via Twitter:

      1m

      Selon @BorjaCuadrado, la Dimension Data demande l’expulsion du Tour de France de Peter Sagan, pour son geste sur Cavendish. #TDF2017

       

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      “RT @SophieSmith86: Roger Hammond and Rolf Aldag remonstrating with judges after Cavendish crash. Hammond calling for Sagan to go home. #tdf…”

    • @wiscot

      @Buck Rogers

      Fuck! Sagan just took Cav out badly! Curious as to how badly they punish him?

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      Fuck Sagan. That was unacceptable. He put Cav into the barriers with an elbow. I don’t want to hear any bullshit about “Oh, I had to or I was going to crash myself” – Sagan is probably the best bike handler in the peloton. He should be thrown out of the race – but they won’t because he’s good for ratings and world champ.

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      From the overhead Sagan had a lot of space to his left so there’s no way he can try to use that as an excuse.

      Cycling News are saying there was some sort of tiff going on between Sagan and Greipel over Sagan being a twat in the intermediate sprint.

    • Disqualification, relegation or a haircut and a ban on trucker caps?

    • Cav was actually in front of Sagan so no way he didn’t know he was there. It wasn’t Sagan’s space.

      But the other thing to look at in that finish is Demare. He comes three metres to his left in the last 10-20  and nearly takes Bouhanni out as well, who just manages to check and avoid Demare’s rear wheel.

      But of course they aren’t going to DQ the first French sprint winner in more than 10 years.

      Funny that French TV hasn’t shown the usual overhead shots.

    • @ChrisO

      Cav was actually in front of Sagan so no way he didn’t know he was there. It wasn’t Sagan’s space.

      But the other thing to look at in that finish is Demare. He comes three metres to his left in the last 10-20 and nearly takes Bouhanni out as well, who just manages to check and avoid Demare’s rear wheel.

      But of course they aren’t going to DQ the first French sprint winner in more than 10 years.

      Funny that French TV hasn’t shown the usual overhead shots.

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      You mean the same Demare that climbed into the backseat of his team car to get up the Cipressa when he “won” MSR in ’16???  Nah, no one would ever question him.

    • @chris

      Disqualification, relegation or a haircut and a ban on trucker caps?

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      All three???

    • @RobSandy

      @Buck Rogers

      @Rick

      @Buck Rogers

      Yes, I am a big Sagan fan but that was unacceptable.

      0

      Yup. I have always loved Sagan but that was really bad. Relegated to last on the stage for sure, I wonder if anything other punishment?

      0

      Shit, they are describing it on live text. Sounds like Cav has done a collarbone, tour over?

      What about G? Anyone else get taken out in either crash?

      The more racing I do, the more pro bunch sprints shit me up.

      0

      Thomas did go down in the earlier crash but looked like he scrubbed a lot of speed before going over the debris of the crash.  Could not spot whether Froome went down or just got held up.

    • According to Cycling News Sagan docked 30 seconds:
      18:06:08 CEST

      Here is the revised top 10 on the stage after Sagan’s demotion.

      1 Arnaud Demare (Fra) FDJ 04:53:54
      2 Alexander Kristoff (Nor) Katusha-Alpecin 00:00:00
      3 André Greipel (Ger) Lotto Soudal 00:00:00
      4 Nacer Bouhanni (Fra) Cofidis, Solutions Credits 00:00:00
      5 Adrien Petit (Fra) Direct Energie 00:00:00
      6 Jurgen Roelandts (Bel) Lotto Soudal 00:00:00
      7 Michael Matthews (Aus) Team Sunweb 00:00:00
      8 Manuele Mori (Ita) UAE Team Emirates 00:00:00
      9 Tiesj Benoot (Bel) Lotto Soudal 00:00:00
      10 Zdenek Stybar (Cze) Quick-Step Floors 00:00:00

    • @ChrisO

      Cav was actually in front of Sagan so no way he didn’t know he was there. It wasn’t Sagan’s space.

      But the other thing to look at in that finish is Demare. He comes three metres to his left in the last 10-20 and nearly takes Bouhanni out as well, who just manages to check and avoid Demare’s rear wheel.

      But of course they aren’t going to DQ the first French sprint winner in more than 10 years.

      Funny that French TV hasn’t shown the usual overhead shots.

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      It must be a first for Brouhaha not to have cause a sprint finish controversy?

       

    • @Buck Rogers

      @chris

      Disqualification, relegation or a haircut and a ban on trucker caps?

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      All three???

      0

      or Four????

    • @chris

      @ChrisO

      Cav was actually in front of Sagan so no way he didn’t know he was there. It wasn’t Sagan’s space.

      But the other thing to look at in that finish is Demare. He comes three metres to his left in the last 10-20 and nearly takes Bouhanni out as well, who just manages to check and avoid Demare’s rear wheel.

      But of course they aren’t going to DQ the first French sprint winner in more than 10 years.

      Funny that French TV hasn’t shown the usual overhead shots.

      0

      It must be a first for Brouhaha not to have cause a sprint finish controversy?

      0

      Rest assured, he nearly took out Greipel but that was prior to the Sagan incident. Greipel’s rear wheel flailing all over the shop as he struggles to get back on his line.

    • Demare says that Sagan is being penalised 80 points.  Not sure if that is official or not?

    • In a GIF that I unfrotunately am unable to post but can be viewed here:
      Daniel Vassbund
      @Smoothedan
      It appears that Cav’s handlebars hit Sagans forearm and push it and the elbow forward.

    • @Buck Rogers

      Demare says that Sagan is being penalised 80 points. Not sure if that is official or not?

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      My understanding is that Sagan is penalized 30 seconds so he forgoes the 30 points from today’s stage. In addition he is penalized 50 points for a total of 80 points penalty.

    • Twitterati now reporting Sagan has been expelled from the TDF for dangerous riding.

    • Link: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/peter-sagan-disqualified-from-tour-de-france/

    • @Rick

      According to the BBC Sagan is disqualified.

    • Wow!  Kicked out?  Really?

      I agree with relegation to last, fining him, taking away a shit load of points but DQ’ing him?

      I don’t agree with that.  A bit BS if you ask me.

      Those dudes are crazy with elbows and fighting for position, whatnot in the sprints.  Not saying what he did was at all okay, but to throw him out … too much in my opinion.

    • I think Sagan was at fault but DQ is too harsh… relegation and loss of points would have been enough.

      And I still want to see an overhead to look at Demare’s move.