Categories: Reverence

Reverence? Tubs

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We can mimic the pros in many ways; kit, bikes, shaving our legs. Even if we’ll never ride like them, we can try (mostly in vain) to look like them. We’ll buy a piece of equipment because our favourite pro endorses it, or even adopt trends that the peloton have, such as alloy classic bend bars, slamming a 140mm stem, or putting those plastic sticky things across the bridge of our noses (yep, I actually did this in the mid 90’s when Tinker Juarez was rocking them on the mtb World Cup circuit. It didnt help a bit, and I looked like a twat). There are many pro traits that are certainly frowned upon and should never be attempted, like wearing the rainbow bands or maillot jaune. Then there are things we would love to be able to do, like snort cocaine with 18 yo models, but there’s as much chance of that as Cav finishing the Vuelta. And finally, there’s things that we can do, but are probably too cautious or conservative to do.

Like running tubs.

We know that every pro bike has the tyres glued to the rims, but how many of us actually own a set of tubs?  How many would like to own a set? How many get the fear of Merckx put up them at the mere thought of getting caught miles from home with a flat? Ok, I hear you say, they’re only for racing, but how many of us are good enough to benefit from the reduced chance of a pinch flat on the cobbles, or the decreased rolling resistance from a 100 gram weight saving? I’m not seeing many hands… anyone, anyone? But still, I want some!

I’ve been on a mission to find a light set of wheels for Il Profetta, and scouring eBay and TradeMe has coughed up quite a few sets of tubs. Some going pretty cheap too. Several times I’ve been poised to push the ‘buy now’ button, but like a kid too scared to jump into the river from the highest bridge in town, I keep pulling back from the edge. It’s like, I might hit the water wrong and break my neck, but probably won’t. At worst, my shorts might fall down while scrabbling back up the bank to dry land, with the other kids pointing and laughing. It’s a risk I’m not willing to take. Clinchers are like having extra-strong elastic in the trunks, plus a drawstring for back up. Tubs on a punter’s bike are like a pair of Speedos on a fat bastard.

Just as I was ready to give up the idea of tubs altogether, we received an impassioned email out of the blue from an enthusiastic sew-up fan going by the moniker of “Tubolari”. He suggested in no uncertain terms that it was less than hardcore to ride clinchers or even to use tyre levers to remove them. The most surprising thing was, he wasn’t a grizzled old Italian mechanic or former Belgian domestique, but has only been riding for a year. Is it merely a case of wet-behind-the-ears zeal, or is he onto something? Should we all be digging out under the house and storing a stash of tubulars in there to age them? Let’s see…

Tubolari’s reasons for riding tubulars:

  1. You get to say you ride tubulars with a smug grin.
  2. It is an appropriate procedure to simply ask for tubulars in determining whether or not a bike shop is a REAL bike shop even if you don’t plan on buying tubulars.
  3. Tubulars are generally relegated to the lightly used sections of a store thus making you more hardcore because you need to blow dust off of the packaging just to read the specs that you’ve already read online.
  4. Personally, I use tape (Velox Jantex 76 Competition tubular tape) and that pretty much takes the hassle out of it. I think though, it makes me less hardcore than those who use glue.
  5. I love it when a machine breaks (tubbie flats), it shows that a machine is just as vulnerable as a human. I love to bring my machine back to working order like a doctor. It also gives me a reason to don my Campy cap and sing Italian tunes like in Breaking Away.
  6. Subjective qualities:
    1.  I take a corner at speed with tubs (Gommitalia Challenge $30 a pop) and feel the bump (I begin to panic) but the tubbies have already deflected around the rock and I’m safe, I grin and press on.
    2. I take a corner at speed with clinchers (Continental Grand Prix 3000, $75 a pop) and feel the the bump (I begin to panic) and jump about what feels like half  a foot sideways (I check my shorts, they are dry), I press on.
  7. I joined a charity ride as a volunteer (ride guide), I am the official tubular tire repair/changer mechanic and get my own car, walky talky and office. The office I use will be for participants to drop off their tires and wheels for spares so I can SAG them on the ride. Not bad for starting road biking last year right?
  8. Piling spare tubs in your jersey gives others a conversation piece when on tours with your local club.
  9. Merckx rode tubulars so it seems only fitting ;).
  10. Tubulars are like wine, you like some, you don’t like others. Some go well with Steel and some go well with Carbon Fiber.

Some compelling points for sure, and it’s hard to argue with his passion. Or is it? Keeper Gianni loves an argument, and can refute the strongest of opinions with a sneer, or just by hitting the reply button;

Yeah, yeah, senor Tubolari,  talk to me in a year when you have peeled off, opened up, patched, re-sewn, re-glued, and re-glued more a bunch of tubolaris. Sure you may get laid more often riding tubulars, but trying to get a girl’s bra off with all that tubasti glue on your mitts is tough.
I’ve done my time with them and moved on, tubless road clinchers is where I’m heading, the great beyond. Come with me.
Cheers, Gianni

Think I’m gonna sit on the fence on this one for a while longer, and leave my pro tyre-emulation to these or these for now…

Brett

Don't blame me

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  • @grumbledook
    Think you might be speaking to a different point. And we might be getting close to a religious discussion as I certainly don't have proof. But I make no assertion about what tyre pressure/width will do to affect rolling resistance.

    What i have been told (and I don't pretend to understand the physics involved) is that rolling resistance, whether high or low, has very little effect on bike speed.

    You speak of "feel" - that is a subjective measure that can be influenced by many variables other than the rolling resistance of a tyre. Your example changed the wheels, which might change many things other than just rolling resistance - for instance, the level of "road noise"/vibration through different shape/width/material rims, etc (note, those things aren't rolling resistance).

    As I say, the fella who told me this has a big brain and is one of the guys who started off Baum, so I respect his opinions on bikes. And I am certainly not making any comments as to the rideability of different tyres/wheels, etc.

    Should we get Leonard Zinn on board...

  • @Minion

    No, they don't weigh the same. ENVE: 1.45 tub's 295 g, 2.45 tub's 355 g, 45 clincher 440 g.

    Braking is not worse with clinchers. (I ride ENVE tubulars and clinchers. So I can compare.) I don't need/use a tool to mount/dismount my clincher tires. So I don't consider this an issue. But you may run into trouble with carbon clinchers when you have a blow out. That is for sure. (Maybe I switch to tubbies for the road when I ruined my first carbon clincher rim ...)

    Note: The United Healthcare pro cycling team uses ENVE clincher rims w/ Maxxis tires. And they are pretty successful. So it can't be all bad. In the late 80's early 90's Panasonic pro team used to ride the very first edition of the Conti GP clincher tires. (I used them too and never ran flat with those. But they are no longer available as foldable clincher.)

  • Clinchulars like Albert mentioned will also have a similar effect.

    My fat arse pedalling a bike down the street causes rolling resistance.

  • @Marcus

    It's not only feel. I am consistently faster with the ENVE wheelset compared to the other one. If somebody is willing to donate $3000 I would get myself some SRM cranks and do some measurements, i.e. record the speed/time achieved with the same power of pedaling.

  • @grumbledook
    Maybe spend the $3k on a reading comprehension course. Your proposed experiment would not isolate rolling resistance - this is the only issue i raised. You are talking about many different variables there - am guessing wheel weight might be a big influence...

  • Zipp 404 carbon clinchers are 1600 grams a pair. Mavic cosmic carbones with an al track are just under 1600 grams. There is no weight advantage in that case, of course they're heavier than tubs.

  • All right Brett, we might as well have this discussion sometime on the site. My very first proper racing bike came with tubs so I was taught how to properly mount and repair them. Everyone probably should have this experience so I would encourage all to own one set of tubular wheels and become proficient with them.

    I reckon Bertie Contador has not glued or patched a sew-up tire in a long time; pros use them because they are lighter, maybe ride better and they have mechanics. Paris-Roubaix has been won on Michelin Pro-3 clinchers and Francais-de-Joux (sp?) have done P-R with tubeless clinchers.

    I have 25mm michelin clinchers on my bike now so I can have lower tire pressure still less pinch flats and like Marcus said, I'm hoping the tubeless clinchers get better and lighter as I would love to be a Campa Shamal tubeless guy.

  • @Marcus

    Yes, you are right, I would have to spend another 3k to get the ENVE tubular wheels with the same rim depth and spoke count to compare to tubulars or find comparable carbon clincher wheel with a slightly larger diameter to prove my statement regarding the the rolling resistance of the same tire on different rims. But I don't have this money left nor do I feel the urge to make you go faster by convincing you that I am right. But I am very sure that on rough tarmac you will be able to measure significant differences between the setups mentioned above. This may not make you go faster than your cycling fellows. But you will be faster than you've been before. Rolling resistance does matter! (You may want to have a look here.)

  • I reckon.

    Good one Bretto.

    @Gianni

    That's why I got them, to find out and see what the differences are. I like em. And you get hiiiiiggggghhhh off the glue.

  • I don't see why you would buy a pair of deep section carbon wheels in anything other than tubular, you may as well combine the inconvenience of glue with the unreliability of a carbon braking surface.

    I have two sets of tubs, both at the speciality end of the spectrum (32h Nemesis with Pave CGs; deep section carbon rims). The deep section wheels are a recent addition, but what with riding them an increasing amount, I am more and more relazed about riding tubs all the time. What I would like is an everyday, 28 spoke count. The Coles look interesting.

    I have a pair of Hed Ardennes FRs (clinchers) that with Michelin Pro3Races and latex tubes are a beautiful ride. These would be awesome in a tub, although then couldn't use Michelins (although I like Vittorias, especially because of their new fancy interchangeable valve thingy, which beats the hell out of a traditional valve extender).

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