To the few, the merry few, who keep this site going, I’d like to wish you all a safe and happy holiday season. May Santa bring you all the bike-related goodies you wish for, may your calorie intake be reasonable, and may you all sneak a wee ride in somewhere. With all the multi-person jollity the season inevitably brings, a couple of hours of solitude on the bike will be good for everyone.

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Hear hear!

Merry tidings to you all, and may your steeds stay rubber-side-down on the wintery weather.

(NB: I am still here, reading from afar, via RSS, because my phone is a piece of shit that can’t handle the full site)

To the few, the merry few, who keep this site going, I’d like to wish you all a safe and happy holiday season. May Santa bring you all the bike-related goodies you wish for, may your calorie intake be reasonable, and may you all sneak a wee ride in somewhere. With all the multi-person jollity the season inevitably brings, a couple of hours of solitude on the bike will be good for everyone.

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Oh what fun it is to ride on two wheels every day!

Merry Xmas Everybody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A8KT365wlA

May many more, the Keepers, contributors, keep this site on the rivet. Going out tomorrow for solitude to photograph start location at first seconds of dawn—total solitude. Then ride recon gravel route 3hrs—more solitude, serenity, sweat. Merry Christmas!

I did find myself setting a whole bunch of new PRs when I switched to the G+ but a bit surprised it might be apparent on rollers – though I don’t know why I should be surprised as the times I put my #9 bike on the rollers with Conti 4 Season I can definitely feel they are more sluggish – though that could be as much the fact that they just make more noise.  So I guess now I also need to do a 1 hr run on that as that has old Nucleon wheels with bladed spokes.  Not sure I want to start swapping tyres around but if the winter gets bad you never know……….

@RobSandy

@Teocalli

What about the tyres?

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I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

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The G+ is supposed to have less rolling resistance, I’ve seen a study showing 5-6% difference compared to the Corsa CXIII.  This could explain some of your differences on the rollers.

I recently glued on a set of G+, but I only have ridden them 60km or so.  It was a couple of months since I had the CXIII’s on, so I couldn’t do a direct comparison.  My initial impressions are the G+ rolls just fine, but they don’t seem as compliant in ride quality compared to the older Corsas.  More testing/riding to come…

@Teocalli

@RobSandy

@Teocalli

What about the tyres?

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I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

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Just seems like a LOT of difference to be down to hub friction.

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Yeah – I’m thinking spokes rather than hub but it does seem a lot.  Kinda adds some interest to winter miles on the rollers though.  I had expected that the Athena would account for some of the difference vs SR but anything there is not significant so it does seem to be the wheels/spokes unless there was something generating resistance I did not spot with the older wheels in place.

Adds a certain piquant to riding with my buddy when I trash him on the Steel bike.  “Hey But, you realise I’m 15% slower on the bike I just trashed you on……..”.

I have a suspicion though that while there will be a difference some of it is down to something I did not spot and may simply go away.  Anyway may as well service the hubs before the next cross check out of interest.

@RobSandy

@Teocalli

What about the tyres?

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I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene. Both are 25mm. I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

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Just seems like a LOT of difference to be down to hub friction.

@Teocalli

What about the tyres?

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I did discount that as a difference but #1 has Vittoria G+ Graphene Open Corsa and the trad wheels have Vittoria Corsa pre Graphene.  Both are 25mm.  I am also using the same Garmin hub speed sensor for both wheels so the electronics should be the same.

What about the tyres?

Just done an interesting comparison. Normally I ride my Steel bike on the rollers Athena Gruppo, Mavic Pro rims, conventional spoked wheels. I’ve just run the same 1hr rolling routine as I did on Friday but used #1 Bike Gruppo SR, Shamal wheels. In 1hr I “covered” 15% further on #1. Now, I’ve always known that #1 was faster (thankfully) but put that down mainly to weight and overall aero. However on rollers weight and aero of the frame are zero issues so most of the difference I guess is down to the wheels and I assume aero relating to the spokes (not many and bladed vs a forest and round). So tomorrow I’ll swap wheels to the steel bike and see what components make most difference. At least it’s good to know that all that money does have a measurable benefit! (PS It’s not a binding brake on the steel bike – I checked that!).

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very interesting!  i have two virtually identical bikes, and the one with the heavier wheels is the faster of the two.  weird how that can be!  i am very interested in what you learn from this wheel swap experiment.

@Rick

@Teocalli

It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

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Musettes at dawn?

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Bidons at high noon.

@Teocalli

It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

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Musettes at dawn?

@Rick

@Teocalli

It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

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“slithering lizard”, was it? i appreciated how she backed down from the statement later, without really apologizing. i laughed a little too hard.

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I thought that the comment was amusing, but also embarrassingly undignified. It betrayed a large degree of lingering bitterness, as though Froome is the head Fancy Bear himself. It’s clear that the self-deception which doping athletes develop to maintain their sanity whilst cheating is being employed by the Wiggins family, to convince themselves that Brad’s use of a fat-stripping intramuscular injection for a previously unknown condition was totally necessary, and gained him no sporting advantage whatsoever.

@Teocalli

It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

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“slithering lizard”, was it?  i appreciated how she backed down from the statement later, without really apologizing.  i laughed a little too hard.

It would seem that the Wiggins household is not best buddies with the Froome household…….

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That is a shame. The wives seemed to be such good friends.

Well spotted sir, well spotted! Yet still no room on the jersey for GSK? For shame Sir Dave, for shame!

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2017/dec/14/chris-froome-failed-drug-test-live-webchat

about time!:

http://www.velonews.com/2017/12/news/lance-armstrong-will-invited-guest-flanders_453344

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hmm – might withdraw my entry.

http://www.velonews.com/2017/12/news/lance-armstrong-will-invited-guest-flanders_453344

Geraint Thomas needs to get the fuck out of there asap.

Agreed. He’s given him some of his best years and all they’ve done is screw him.

Who knows.  The other part I read said that any effect would be limited to events like Sprinting (athletics) and Weightlifting but would be limited but any benefit would be limited to questionable.

@wiscot

As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”. By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs. They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it. What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all. Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

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From the cyclingnews link that explains some of the asthma rules:

• Asthma is typically treated with inhaled corticosteroids (eg. Fluticasone/Flovent – not prohibited in competition), and bronchodilators (inhaled beta 2-agonists such as salbutamol/albuterol).
• Oral or injected beta 2-agonists can have anabolic effects and are banned in and out of competition.

so it would appear that the route of administration of the medication can be a factor and it’s possible to get a benefit beyond the dilation of the lungs.

@wiscot

As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”. By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs. They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it. What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all. Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

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So, in short, to have such a high level of salbuterol in one’s system would be hard to do while using the inhaler in a manner consistent with sound medical advice?

It stinks to high heaven for sure. You’d think given all the previous busts for salbuterol and the penalties handed out, that the team would be careful. But you know what, for all Sky’s outwardly “clean” image and claims of “marginal gains” and top class organization with fancy buses and team cars, I think it’s just a fucking sham. Geraint Thomas needs to get the fuck out of there asap.

As I understand it you get no benefit as such from “overdosing”.  By that I mean that if someone without Asthma uses an inhaler they do not get any benefit from further dilating the channels in your lungs.  They only expand to the norm for that individual and that’s it.  What an Ashma sufferer will get is relief from swelling and narrowing of the lung channels.

I’ve known a couple of people with life threatening Asthma and a serious attack is not funny at all.  Particularly for one guy I went to school with as he also had an adverse reaction to pure Oxygen.

@Rick

 

I’d like to hear the opinion of any Velominati who have asthma issues and what they have to say.

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I have asthma and I usually have a quick puff of my blue inhaler before a race. But if I was the race leader and in contention for the overall win of a Grand Tour and be REALLY FUCKING CAREFUL about getting the dose absolutely right and err on the side of caution.

Lets see what comes out but it fucking stinks.

@RobSandy

@Rick

Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

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Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

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Given Sky’s budget and previous stances on drugs, I am amazed at the incompetence of their medical staff. The whole “jiffy bag” fiasco was something that should never have happened and Sky’s handling (or mishandling) of the matter made it worse. Now this. I don’t have asthmna, but apparently the dosage in each inhaler is easy to ascertain. As is the threshold that would trigger a positive test. I’m no mathematician, but it shouldn’t be too hard to look at the numbers and figure out how many puffs a day from a regulated inhaler you can take.  The whole thing stinks of marginal gains gone wrong.

I don’t see how a ban can be avoided. This will tarnish Froome’s reputation and likely hit him in the pocket – will he be eligible for the Giro and Tour, and if so, will they want him?

I’d like to hear the opinion of any Velominati who have asthma issues and what they have to say.

@RobSandy

@Rick

Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

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Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

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Agree with all of that. It looks extremely bad if it was on purpose or accidental.

@Rick

Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

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Given the history with Team Sky and asthma medications it is difficult to believe this is a coincidence. The doc gave me the wrong dose, I ate bad chicken, I had a twin who vanished are all suspect excuses.

Part of my wants to believe that this was a simple error by the doc or an elevated result from dehydration. However, I have become more realistic (cynical) over the past decade, particularly when Sky never seems to have a bad day.

As long as the rewards are sufficient the bad guys/cheaters will always be at least one step ahead of those trying to catch them. Asthma medication and Team Sky seem to be a trend and it is difficult to believe it is a coincidence.

Quelle suprise: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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I’m surprised. But also very disappointed. What a stupid thing to get wrong (assuming the Doc just got the dose wrong).

http://chainslapmag.com/2017/12/froome-win-record-devaluing-three-grand-tours-row/

Russia banned from Olympics; athletes can compete as neutrals – NBC Sports https://apple.news/AU4y_GyYpSdGbAQ_o5UuKSw

wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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It is rumored that Froome was offered 2 million reasons to ride the Giro.

@Cary

wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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I think the Giro parcours is announced today. Is it Froome-friendly?

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Nibali thinks so:

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/giro-ditalia/vincenzo-nibali-2018-giro-ditalia-route-suits-chris-froome-361029

wow. Froome does not lack balls.

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I think the Giro parcours is announced today. Is it Froome-friendly?

@RobSandy

@Rick

Froome confirms Giro participation. I have to admit that despite the rumors I never thought he would race the Giro.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

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Me neither, I thought it was a bit of bluff.

Chapeau to him. I’m quite impressed he’s taken that risk.

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Agreed. I thought a potential 5th TdF win would keep him out of the Italian Grand Tour. If Froomey has show us anything over the last few years it is that he is a bike racer. Glad to see him take up the challenge.

The Giro could be the best GT of the year by far with Froome and Dumoulin racing.

Froome confirms Giro participation. I have to admit that despite the rumors I never thought he would race the Giro.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

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Me neither, I thought it was a bit of bluff.

Chapeau to him. I’m quite impressed he’s taken that risk.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-confirms-giro-ditalia-participation/

@Teocalli

@RobSandy

Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt. Gruppo lead the other way.

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I would try Teocalli’s suggestion first. You might be surprised how big of a difference it can make sometimes.

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Shimano has a “tool” they provide that a person is supposed to use to establish the best route for the cable in to the mech. Naturally I wouldn’t use it. I’ve played around with threading the cable in to the lever arm on each side of the bolt to get best action on a 105 FD on my cross bike.

@RobSandy

Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt. Gruppo lead the other way.

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I would try Teocalli’s suggestion first.  You might be surprised how big of a difference it can make sometimes.

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Can’t visualise that. Don’t get re fore/aft as normally if you have a round seat tube then the alignment of the cage to the chain sets the mount position. I can’t visualise how moving up/down for a compact should make matters worse.

@Teocalli

The other oddness (and I wonder if these things are related), is that although the braze-on mount has substantial room for up and down adjustment, if I move the FD down much, the back end of the spring hits the cable stop cage on the seat tube, chips the paint and prevents the derailleur moving fully in.

Fore/aft adjustment of the mount would solve both of these problems but it doesn’t seem as if you can do it.

There’s no way you could run a compact as the spring would foul on the cable stop.

I could clip the very end of the spring off which would help, but seems a bit drastic.

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Can’t visualise that.  Don’t get re fore/aft as normally if you have a round seat tube then the alignment of the cage to the chain sets the mount position.  I can’t visualise how moving up/down for a compact should make matters worse.

@Brett

I think it was Frank who said that “extraordinary allegations require extraordinary truth”?

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Well, it IS a fact that plenty of money has been taken for V Kit that will never ever be delivered.

Where the money is I have no idea, but I do know I don’t have kit.

The other oddness (and I wonder if these things are related), is that although the braze-on mount has substantial room for up and down adjustment, if I move the FD down much, the back end of the spring hits the cable stop cage on the seat tube, chips the paint and prevents the derailleur moving fully in.

Fore/aft adjustment of the mount would solve both of these problems but it doesn’t seem as if you can do it.

There’s no way you could run a compact as the spring would foul on the cable stop.

I could clip the very end of the spring off which would help, but seems a bit drastic.

@RobSandy

Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt. Gruppo lead the other way.

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As I said in the Bikes, it would probably be better but I don’t know if it would solved completely.

Also, have all my pics posted or just the one of the FD?

Does it clear if you route the cable to the other side of the compression bolt.  Gruppo lead the other way.

I can’t see it’d be a good thing to run a set up like this, apart from anything else the cable either hooks around the back of the rivet or frees itself and runs straight, so cable tension goes all to shit.

@RobSandy

Well we are still here for now, so ask away.

Re FB – it’s a pretty sad reflection on the world when the arbiter of whether you are a moral person or care about something is whether you share a comment or picture on FB and not what you actually do in life itself.

Hopefully this place is taking only a short diversion into the Dark Side and the V-force will be stabilised before too long.

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Well we are still here for now, so ask away.

Re FB – it’s a pretty sad reflection on the world when the arbiter of whether you are a moral person or care about something is whether you share a comment or picture on FB and not what you actually do in life itself.

Hopefully this place is taking only a short diversion into the Dark Side and the V-force will be stabilised before too long.

@Teocalli

@wiscot

It’s been on FB for yonks.

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Ha! Just shows how often I go on FB. I have a page (is that the right term?) but I have to say I never post anything and barely look at it from one end of a month to the other. That whole situation where people like to make out their lives are just one fabulous moment after another causing others to develop massive anxiety disorders because they FOMO, just depresses the hell out of me.

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You’ve just summarised pretty much everything wrong with the world. And yes, Facebook has a lot to answer for. However, our cycling club is run on FB so I use it pretty frequently.

The other problem is I’ve got a technical problem with my build and now have nowhere to go to ask for help. I asked my actual friends, on Facebook, and they just took the piss. And I’m fucked if I’m taking it to a bike shop at this stage.

@Randy C

@MangoDave

I’m posting the picture just as a test. If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice. He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel. Or a Jaegher. Or a ….

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If a Slim Chance is the last bike foto posted on this site before it drifts in to forgotten spaces well then I suppose that that would be apropos. Cool bike ! Cheers

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Or this?

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Cunts! Last try before I sulk off.

@MangoDave

I’m posting the picture just as a test. If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice. He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel. Or a Jaegher. Or a ….

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If a Slim Chance is the last bike foto posted on this site before it drifts in to forgotten spaces well then I suppose that that would be apropos. Cool bike ! Cheers

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Or this?

I think it was Frank who said that “extraordinary allegations require extraordinary truth”?

I’m posting the picture just as a test. If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice. He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel. Or a Jaegher. Or a ….

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If a Slim Chance is the last bike foto posted on this site before it drifts in to forgotten spaces well then I suppose that that would be apropos. Cool bike ! Cheers

@Teocalli

@wiscot

It’s been on FB for yonks.

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Ha! Just shows how often I go on FB. I have a page (is that the right term?) but I have to say I never post anything and barely look at it from one end of a month to the other. That whole situation where people like to make out their lives are just one fabulous moment after another causing others to develop massive anxiety disorders because they FOMO, just depresses the hell out of me.

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Not to mention the impression that you are morally judged on whether you “share” some picture, quote etc or not.  Since when did “share” on FB become the moral arbiter of our lives?

Surely we can drag this place back from it’s small excursion to the Dark Side……..

Chill Brett, I’ve no idea whats going on.

Like others here, I’ve enjoyed this site, had some fun and made some friends.

It’s sad to see it coming apart.

Who the fuck would know. You guys seem to know more than us.

Maybe this is Frank’s new project:

https://velominati.de/

@wiscot

It’s been on FB for yonks.

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Ha! Just shows how often I go on FB. I have a page (is that the right term?) but I have to say I never post anything and barely look at it from one end of a month to the other. That whole situation where people like to make out their lives are just one fabulous moment after another causing others to develop massive anxiety disorders because they FOMO, just depresses the hell out of me.

Ouch. And then there was one. Does that mean you’ve handed back the keys to the V-bunker?

i’m not sure it’s a story I want to hear but is there a plan or is the site going to be left to slowly decay?

Whatever happens it was good riding with you guys.

It’s been on FB for yonks.

Yeah – I’m juggling my retirement gift for myself.  Here is my leading candidate at the moment.  Though also fancy here but don’t really want to wait 12 months or more!

Also will be going on a frame building course in the Summer and will make (at least) one myself.

I’m posting the picture just as a test.  If it actually works, @RobSandy, try it with your build photo.

This pic does open up an internal conflict with me – this old Chris Chance was pretty nice.  He’s back in business and I’m really tempted to pick up the new frame with modern steel.  Or a Jaegher.  Or a ….

I love coming to this site and do so on a near daily basis. I’ll be damned if I’ll look at a friggin’ facebook page every day. I’m sure it’s probably easier to host and maintain, but this site is/was a special wee oasis for those who chose to come here. Throwing it on facebook just seems wrong.

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I, too, enjoy visiting here, it’s got an entirely different feel than the other internets.  I still haven’t been able to join in a cogal, FFS.  It can’t end yet.

This is really ruining my day.

@KogaLover

@Teocalli

@chris

Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year. Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

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I was hoping you had been knighted a new Keeper after your 1-2-1 with @Frank last week? Anything come out of that?

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Frank fell off a ladder and broke his shoulder so didn’t go.

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As he said!

@Teocalli

@chris

Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year. Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

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I was hoping you had been knighted a new Keeper after your 1-2-1 with @Frank last week? Anything come out of that?

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Frank fell off a ladder and broke his shoulder so didn’t go.

@chris

Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year. Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

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I was hoping you had been knighted a new Keeper after your 1-2-1 with @Frank last week? Anything come out of that?

I’m planning on the RVV too – entries open Friday morning.

Italy’s only a short hop from the Middle East?

@chris

Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year. Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

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With the exception of the Ronde, next years calendar is looking very middle eastern.

There aren’t many places serving recovery beverages over here though.

Hmm – should we try a Non Keepers Tour next year.  Some Italian Strada in Tuscany maybe?

@chris

@RobSandy

@chris

You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

Excuse me what? There’s a what?

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It seems a bit Anti-V but yes, there is a Velominati Facebook page. Here.

Not much on it apart from posts announcing posts on here and people complaining about missing kit.

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I just had a quick browse and that’s the conclusion I came to!

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The is some great stuff in there. The two Keepers’ tours are well documented in the photo section.

@Rick

Anyone else having problems with the site?

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Yep, most of the site seems to be shut down.

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Thanks, hope it comes back soon.

@RobSandy

@chris

You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

Excuse me what? There’s a what?

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It seems a bit Anti-V but yes, there is a Velominati Facebook page. Here.

Not much on it apart from posts announcing posts on here and people complaining about missing kit.

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I just had a quick browse and that’s the conclusion I came to!

@chris

You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

Excuse me what? There’s a what?

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It seems a bit Anti-V but yes, there is a Velominati Facebook page. Here.

Not much on it apart from posts announcing posts on here and people complaining about missing kit.

Anyone else having problems with the site?

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Yep, most of the site seems to be shut down.

You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

@chris

@RobSandy

@chris

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What a shame. Well in that case I’m going to get a photo of my nearly-finished Progetto up for posterity.

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ARSE

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Not able to post it?

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Nope.

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Empires dissolve and peoples disappear, the V passes not away.

You could stick it on the Velominati FB page.

@RobSandy

@chris

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What a shame. Well in that case I’m going to get a photo of my nearly-finished Progetto up for posterity.

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ARSE

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Not able to post it?

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Nope.

@chris

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What a shame. Well in that case I’m going to get a photo of my nearly-finished Progetto up for posterity.

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ARSE

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Not able to post it?

@chris

 

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What a shame. Well in that case I’m going to get a photo of my nearly-finished Progetto up for posterity.

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ARSE