
The inaugural Velominati Super Prestige makes an unscheduled stop this week at the Tour de Suisse. Originally left off the VSP roster, it was decided among the Keepers that the ‘fourth Grand Tour’ is indeed worthy of inclusion in our humble tipping competition. As one of the final hit-outs for many Tour de France contenders, the Swiss race shows who might be ready to step up in July, who’s needing to pull their finger out, and who might be targeting this race as a worthy addition to their palmares. With a couple of TT’s, stages that could go to the sprinters or a daring breakaway, and some of the most picturesque mountain passes in Europe, it has something for everyone, and anyone could win.
Can Motorcus find an ‘extra gear’ and back up his 09 victory? Will the EgoTesticle show signs of his old self on the bike, or just behave like his old self off it? And are the Brothers Grimpeur finally going to do something, anything?
Let us know your thoughts, and make your picks to pick up a sweet Obey The Rules bumper sticker, in the posts section on this page. For a full rundown on the competition scoring etc, visit our VSP Schedule, Rules and Results page.
Good luck!
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1. Roman Kreuzinger
2. Brother Grimpeur the Younger
3. Banged and Felled
4. Pharmstrong
5. Spartacus
(I just want VDV to beat Lance… please can it happen)
1. Cancellara. He’ll defend on home turf.
2. F. Grimpeur. They gotta start doing something but two Saxo’s on the podium? We’ll see.
3. Pharmstrong. He seems to be getting comfy on that third podium spot.
4. CVV. He’s got to finally do something other than get injured. He’s cool.
5. Olivier Joaquin Rodriguez. The little fella has had a solid season thus far, Katouwa has proven itself a strong team, and the Russian Rug Salesman is taking time off.
@Marko
Isn’t Menchov at the Dauphiné?
@Steampunk
Menchov? Who said anything about Menchov? (Marko sheepishly lurks away)
1. Fabian Cancellara
2. Robert Gesink
3. Roman Kreuziger
4. Christian Vande Velde
5. Kim Kirchen
No rationale here whatsoever…
@Marko
He seems to be having a pretty good Dauphiné if that’s any consolation…
well I am new to the Super Prestige, but I love this stuff, so can I just play along?
1. Cancellara will defend even though he says ‘not’
2. Younger Brother Grimpeur ready’s for july
3. Mick Rogers is on
4. Levi-Eggtimer gets a final payback before july
5. LL ‘cool J’ Sanchez….well, just because
1. Armstrong
2. L.L. Sanchez
3. Leipheimer
4. A. Schleck
5. Rogers
Motorcus will not dare use his machine to get over the last mountain with the GC crowd on Stage 5.
err, Stage 6.
@david
I’m sorry we’re losing one of the coolest names in the peloton here. “Spartacus” has a pretty good engine. He can climb for a day or two. And it seems he has the least to hold back in terms of preparation for the Tour. He’s not a GC contender.
1. Fabian CANCELLARA
2. Luis Leon SANCHEZ
3. Roman KREUZIGER
4. Joaquin RODRIGUEZ
5. Tony MARTIN
1. A. Schleck
2. Cancellara
3. Armstrong
4. Michael Rogers
5. Cristian VDV
@Roberto Marques
And the man in Pink draws his picks. Heed this people, this dude knows his shit.
@Marko that was only beginner’s luck…let’s see how we all perform in this Le Tour preparation!
Tony Martin – Suisse is a good race for a future champion to win
LL Cool Sanchez – Because he can never seem to win
Mick Rogers – Going well, playing a supporting role to Martin and looking good for July (but as usual will flatter to deceive in The Big Race)
Gilbert the Great – because it’s not that hard a parcours, but too hard for Motorcus
Joaquin Rodriguez – just because
Worryingly loaded with English-speakers. Might have to dump DZ for Gilbert
Schleck (A)
Rogers
Kloden
Cancellara
Kreuziger
Trying to figure out the theories behind all the picks is fun in itself! Anticipating how the race might unfold to confirm or disconfirm them is making me giddy already. Fucking exciting this Super Prestige thing is. Several of us giving no shrift whatsoever to the youngsters, Martin, Gesink, and Kreuziger. Some of us, Me, Soleur, and Marques, have all veterans on the list. I can’t wait!
@ben, @Souleur, @david, @crossy
Welcome to the VSP, guys! Great to have some more contestants. Now we’re going to have to really get our shit together if we’re going to do anything!!
On that note:
This is not a very hard route this year, but Spartacus (I refuse to believe the motor rumors) is too fat to climb even these mountains. Christ, I have no idea what I’m doing here.
1. F. Grimpeur – Rode well in Luxemburg, the country with almost the coolest flag in Europe (with the winner being the flag they copied, the Netherlands)
2. Kreuziger – Dude is a sick climber but we don’t have enough hills.
3. Pharmstrong – He insists on pissing me off by staying on the leaderboards. I suspect he’ll continue to do so.
4. Lloyd – He’s got potential.
5. Gesink – If he can stay upright, he can do pretty well.
Man, I miss Ullrich.
@david
They are fun. I’m completely nervous now that I’ve committed my choices to the archive. I’ll loose at least a little sleep tonight.
The Giro was a blast – lots of strategery with whether or not to make changes on rest days, etc. Glad you joined in for this round. With a good performance from here on out, anyone could still win the shop apron at the end of the year.
1. Kreuziger. (Arrogant little prick, but can definitely ride and will be very keen to make a point vis-a-vis Vincenzo.)
2. Tony Martin. (Enormous motor, which will be required to be at the service of CavityDouche (that’s a little teeth gag there for ya) come July, but which will hopefully get let off the leash a bit in Switzerland. And, as he showed on Ventoux last year, he knows how to disappear a long way into that pain cave.)
3. LL Cool Sanchez. (No particular reason. Frankly I dunno what I’m doing. But he’s class. And it’s time he showed it.)
4. Spartacus. (He’ll defend. And he’s cool. And not motorised. And it’s not too hilly. And he’s cool. And not motorised.)
5. Little Franky Grimpeur. (He’ll be balls out for the little bro come July, so Bjarn will let him have a crack here.)
I’d like to have found a spot for Twistin Banged and Felled, but I just don’t think he’ll be targeting it – his focus will be to come right from his injuries (again) for July. ET (Texas) will be focussed further down the track. ET (California) just ain’t got it no more. Gesink needs more hills (and traction control). Gilbert is total class – but after the start to the season he’s had, and the consistency he’s shown throughout it, does he have the type of form needed for a stage race like this? I’d love to say “Hell, yeah”, but I don;t think he does.
Finally, since when is the Tour de Suisse the fourth GT? I’m sure I heard Andrew Messick say the Vuelta was 4th (3rd being Giro and 2nd being ToC) ….
@Geof
Yep: ToC is officially the second biggest race in the world. Because, like, that’s what the TV said everyday it was on. Which must have made the Giro no. 1, because it was running at the same time and was way better. Man: I guess that means that Americans still don’t like the French…
Feel the same way about Kreuziger. Exactly my rationale for putting him on the podium.
I have gone to the cave and seen nothing on the walls so…
1. Andy S.
2. Tony M.
3. Fabian C.
4. Robert G.
5. Frank S.
The guy from Texas is going to get his butt dropped.
@Rob If you’ve gone into the cave and have seen nothing on the walls, then that means you’re insensible.
1: Dodger; He knows he will never win Le Tour, so will put it all on the line for another ‘big’ win.
2: GaySink; just so I could say that.
3: The Eggtimer; He was shit at ToC, he’ll be shit at TdF, and he’ll bore everyone into submission here, taking time in the cronos, and hanging on like a turd on a blanket in the hills.
4: F Schluck; coming into a little bit of form, but still saving it for July. Or maybe just not good enough… calling Dr Fuentes, training plan please.
5: Bruseghin; Can TT, that’s about all he’ll need to do
Argh I feel completely out of form for this….definitely fat.
Martin
Kreuziger
Gilbert
Pharmstrong
Grimpeur the Younger.
Tough decisions….
I’m in.
1.) Schleck senior – he must hate being shown up by his younger brother all the time. I know I am when my brother whips me up the pennines on a 5 speed straight block.
2.) Spartacus – I’m sure his big engine will be running. The hills shouldn’t bother him he can just motor his way up.
3.) Tony Martin – I like Tony Martin. I want to see him get on a podium.
4.) Kreuziger – I like this guy too, but I don’t know why.
5.) CVV – providing he doesn’t fall off within 500m of the start and break, say, his right hip.
@andy
Kudos.
@frank
Thanks – Velominati somehow escaped me for the last year, until my VeloLouisville.com co-conspirator turned me onto it. How fantastic! A cycling website that doesn’t look like hammered shit AND has excellent content AND a fantasy league. For a cyclist/web developer/fantasy sport hound like myself, I was smitten. Chapeau.
Regarding my picks, I maintain that Faboo can do it again this year. There are only 2 mountain stages this year as opposed to 4 last year (by steephill’s reckoning). The queen stage to Crans-Montana does scare me a little, but Faboo’s is dreamy and when I look into his eyes I feel safe.
@ben Nice picks but good luck with that eye “thing”! I too was turned on to the big V not so long ago and am now pathetically being accused by my better 4/5ths that I am spending way too much time here. Luckily she does not add up web time with ride time so I can still get out as much as I want – Welcome.
@david Its a rare day when I am not… and with this jersey still on my back (why is beyond me!) I feel frozen in the head lights, so to speak, when it comes to my picks
I just figured that it isn’t hilly enough for the pure climbers like the Brothers Grimpeur, but also too hilly for the likes of Cancellara. Also the TdF contenders aren’t peaking yet and so it is a good chance for a second-tier rider who can climb and TT (last day will be important), who will be required to work for the team in France.
The only cheeky intervention is that because some of the stages are lumpy with a hill towards the end, there is the opportunity for, say a one-day rider who can climb a little, to make good in a breakaway and be able to hold on over the bigger stages.
This is harder than the Giro, there are far more options.
New to the game here along with my cohort Ben.
1. Andy Schleck
2. Mick Rogers
3. DZ Nuts
4. P. Gilbert
5. Peter Sagen
I will save you from another homoerotic plea as my friend Ben has failed to do. I think Cancellara is truly just making an appearance.
@Dale
HA! Good lord, you two are trouble, I can tell.
Nice picks. I’m starting to think Mick Dundee is the right pick. Christ, this is hard to call, always. What about King Jens? Why has no one pick him?
@ben
Stop it! You’re making us blush!
@ben
Ahhhhhh, good to meet another person who understands Spartacus like I do. But in ToC both he and A. Grimpeur were totally smoking like the proverbial hippies motor-bike so I’m betting against my boy Fabian, I might be going to hell for it…actually I am anyway but I’m feeling regretful already but here goes.
1. Tony Martin-a Fabian understudy, strong climber and strong TT’er
2. F. Grimpeur-looses too much time in TT to win
3. Spartacus-even without good form he will wail on some pussies
4. Peter Sagan-just on a hunch
5. Cameron Meyer-fuck it. Insane, yeah.
I’ve written off all of Lance and his boys. As I will in the TdF. It’s over.
@frank
why do you think no-one has picked Jens? Hmmm?
@Jarvis
Why do I suddenly feel like I need to re-check the start list?
@frank
I picked Cancellara more with my heart than with my head. Couldn’t justify doing the same for Jens. The fact that he’s older than Methuselah doesn’t help. I’m hoping he stays healthy, is part of every breakaway in the Tour and then pulls like the Jens of old. His last TdF? Who should I root for then?
Now that all the Velominati heavy weights have their picks out on the table, and won’t change them unless they just want to declare to everyone what big pussies they are, let me ask this. Is it not obvious how this race will go? God I’m excited to find out. There will be a GC selection on the last climb of Stage 6. The pace will be fast enough that the gap on everyone else will be decisive. The winner will come from this selection and be the one from this selection who has the best time trial on the last stage? True or False?
After that, there are many variables. But, Kruezinger, Martin, F. Schleck, Gesink, etc., are just not going to beat Armstrong, Leipheimer, Sanchez, Rogers, Kloden on that time trial.
@ david: I sure hope the big boys are within a minute or so by stage 6…then let them bleed out their eyeballs, I can’t wait…
I heard someone mention something about a large international competition called the “World Cup”. What the fuck is that?
1. Rogers
kreuziger
Frank
oops premature submission above
1. Rogers – fast becoming a one week specialist.
2. Kreuziger – hate this piece of Eurotrash because he sometimes wears a bandana and his name does not begin with Marco and finish with Pantani.
3. COTHO – the guy has not had a real win since his comeback and will be looking for one but will fall short because I fucking hope he does.
4. Frank “Jermaine” Schleck – not sure why. Just feel sorry for him because he isn’t even the best rider in his family.
5. Kloden – very close to the personification of that first degree oxymoron, “a likeable German”. But I think that just might be because I don’t hear him talk much.
Martin > Rogers. Rogers has his ToC and Martin is looking to make the top step after last year.
Kolobnev, Sagan and Haussler for a stage win.
@dale, @john – Is it my fault Faboo looks like one of the New Kids? (whaaaaat?)
Roulston !! Come on Roly …
@Freditor
Wouldn’t that be something. The cheering in NZ would be so loud the Swiss would be able to hear it over the sound of their motors …
@david
The UCI World Cup was a season-long competition that focused on tallying points for riders based on their performance in one-day races. It followed the Pernod Super Prestige (which is where the VSP gets it’s name) and was followed by the destined-to-fail UCI ProTour.
I can only assume that this person has suffered some sort of trauma to which their mind can only respond by pretending it’s some time between 1989 and 2005.
@frank
All in all, it could be a very good month of July for Spain. On two continents.
@frank I’ll try to convince him there is no World Cup. But, he’s quite delusional, prone to sissy-fits whenever you touch him, and can never reliably get the “ball in the hole”, so to speak. (No, it’s not Cadel Evans.)
@david
About to say: cyclists are exactly unprone to sissy-fits. Nothing sadder than a couple of anorexic rouleurs throwing haymakers at each other on the side of the road after a crash. As a former footballer, I fell more in the Jens Voigt camp of things, and hated those guys who flopped around as though they’d been shot. As with any sport, though, there are some guys you can’t help but respect for being the hardmen of their discipline.
If this doesn’t scream “HTFU,” I don’t know what does. As I recall, Gazza was a minnow the rest of this match…
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Cancellara certainly lived up to his reputation as a superb bike handler. Sixth quickest over the top of the hill and batters them all down the other side, there were some impressive lean-angles there.
Looks like my wildcard selection of Gilbert is a bust.
Did VDV bang and fall? Or did he ride late in the inclement weather? Bit of a poor showing there.
Damn it. I forgot to calculate that Armstrong is going to pull up like a big pussy whenever there’s even a remote chance of danger. Oh well.
@Jarvis – Faboo straight carvin’ on dudes last year:
Smart
@ben
That is some awesome Spartacus porn right there. But, make sure you keep you’re speakers off; that music is NSFL (Not Suitable For Listening).
Sigh: VDV, Sagan, Rogers, and Kirchen already more or less out of the running.
@ben: great video
@all: now that is how you TT! When you curb hop a TT rig to straighten up the lines, thats like thumbing your nose at the course layout people and tellin them to go screw off.
He is riding like he stole something, is there a loaf of bread under his arm??
@ frank: NSFL-I thought it was not safe for listening, it has a zen like homoerotica tone to it but I must say, great video
Cancellara deserves some Melvins or something like that, maybe to the tune of Blood Witch or Dog Island or better yet..Sacrifice!
MY picks aren’t looking too good at the moment. The interesting point to be taken from today’s stage is nothing to do with the Super Prestige, but is all about the battle for the green jersey at the Tour de France. Cavendish put some serious time into Boonen and Hushovd today.
@Jarvis
As a brit I’m totally conflicted with cavendish. On one hand, he’s the best sprinter we’ve ever produced and will keep winning for the next ten years, smash the number of stages won records in all the grand tours and have so many points jerseys he needs a separate house just to store them in and I totally love him for it. On the other hand, he’s an completely arrogant wanker who will rapidly end up with no friends in the peloton and I hate him for it.
Why couldn’t he be nice and fast?
@andyI never found pure sprinters as a group to be nice. Egos, lack of care for anybody else, and maniacal drive to dominate do not make for warm and cuddly.
But strangely, I sort of like the Cav, not sure why but he has a twinkle in his eye even when he’s being a prick.
Velominati, this is Gary. His delicate sensibilities are offended by Mark Cavendish’s two-fingered salute to the media.
“By making an obscene gesture in victory, Cavendish has shamed our sport. He has shown immaturity, but worse than that, a lack of respect for all the suffering that his competitors and he himself has endured in this noble and humbling sport.”
Gary Westby, Velonews letter to the editor.
Gary, harden the fuck up.
@david
Well played, my son. You must have gotten back out on your bike. Did you put on a big, fake handlebar mustache before writing that?
@all
This being the inaugural VSP, we’re adjusting and ammending the rulebook as we go along. Today I’ve added some Minor Stage Race scoring rules, which will apply to the Tour de Suisse.
@all
How about little Frankie Schleck Rule 5-ing the snot out of the bunch, eh?
@andy
You might find it suprising, but I think Cavendish won’t be short of friends in the peloton, it’s just that he’s smart enough to realise that there is a psychological element to being the top sprinter and not being friends with your rivals can help in that department. Seems he get’s on with his team-mates just fine
@ben
Your insistence on referring to Spartacus as “Faboo” has led me to add it to the Lexicon. I think that’s a record for amount-of-time-on-site to name-added-to-lexicon. Keep it up.
@frank @ben
I’ve been trying to ignore that name, but how do you go from Sparticus, to Faboo? It’s akin to calling The Terminator, Pee-wee Hermon (note: I couldn’t think of an outwardly camp person that people in the US would know-of)
Peter Sagan is out, bruised his mangina.
1. Tony Martin-a Fabian understudy, strong climber and strong TT’er
2. F. Grimpeur-looses too much time in TT to win
3. Spartacus-even without good form he will wail on some pussies
4.
Peter Sagan-just on a hunchSimon Gerrans More wild guessing but what’s new?5. Cameron Meyer-fuck it. Insane, yeah.
Unfortunately as Michael Rogers is also out, please put Mr. Kreuziger in 4th
1. A. Schleck
2. Cancellara
3. Armstrong
4.
Michael RogersKreuziger5. Cristian VDV
@Jarvis
Well, that’s just it, isn’t it? It’s so incredibly tongue-in-cheek and so far off the target that it comes around full circle back to “awesome”. Take, for example, the phrase “Faboo straight carvin’ on dudes last year.” It’s at least 87% genius.
@all
REMINDER: If you have a rider who dropped out for any reason (Mick Rogers comes to mind) make sure you post your substitution ASAP.
Please strike Mick Rogers from mine and replace w/Tony Martin
1. Cancellara will defend even though he says ‘not’
2. Younger Brother Grimpeur ready’s for july
3.
Mick Rogers is onTony Martin4. Levi-Eggtimer gets a final payback before july
5. LL ‘cool J’ Sanchez….well, just because
1. Armstrong
2. L.L. Sanchez
3. Leipheimer
4. A. Schleck
5.
RogersTony MartinI’ve been hearing a lot of noise about this international football competition. So, I checked into it. Stage 1 for the USA was on the 12th. They then get five rest days until Stage 2 on the 18th!?! What kind of sport is that? And, I can’t find the general classification standings. I’ve been looking all over. Can someone tell me where I can find them?
Dayaam. Surely I’m not peaking too early again? Or maybe just not recovered from the Giro. Go Martin. Great ride from the mini-Grimp too.
Pharmstrong more than a dark horse here. I think he might try and turn it on.
@Roberto Marques
Why didn’t that occur to me at 10pm last night? Somehow a former winner seems a wiser replacement than Simon Gerrans…Doh!
@frank
Yes, you are correct, it is >87% genius. It’s Faboooo!
cav managed to wipe out a decent handful of his green jersey rivals today. I can’t get any live pictures currently but it looks like a bad one. Hope they are all alright like
@andy
Didn’t look good. The most terrifying part of the photographs of the crash is seeing Cav down and Boonen closing in on him. The sheer size of the Belgian’s shoulders is intimidating…
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-suisse-upt/stage-4/photos/125966
@andy, @Steampunk
Awful sounding. It’s bad when they go down right at the front like that.
@all
Anyone see it or have a video feed? I feel bad for Haussler and Boonen if they are injured; both are just barely recovered from their injuries caused in earlier crashes.
Sounds like it might have been Cavendouche at fault for the crash. If that’s the case, he might have to be dubbed Cavencrash.
@Steampunk
This one, where Tommeke is just starting to come off after riding square into cav’s neck, knowing that he’ll still be at about 30-40kmh at this point, makes me cringe
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-suisse-upt/stage-4/photos/125972
@Steampunk
Thanks for the great photo sequence. (Weird that you have to click “previous” to get the sequence in the right order.) It looks like Petacchi had the sense not to salute after getting a freebie stage like that. Respect to him for that.
@frank: here is a video on youtube
I wonder how many that one will take out of our rosters….
As much as it wouldn’t bother me, I can’t say its Cavs fault entirely, looks like a real accident.
@Souleur
damn. I actually felt Haussler’s head hitting the tarmac there.
I’d like to know the opinion of someone who has sprinted for a finish thinks on fault for that one (I’ve never raced so I’m pretty unsure).
@Souleur
Thanks for the video—not sure I want to watch it too many times, though. Cav did seem to make quite a bit of lateral movement to his left, but it does just look like bad luck. Boonen seemed to be okay. It looks as though he barely hit the ground. Haussler looked pretty scuffed up and that was quite a crack on the ol’ melon. Not good.
Looking again: some nifty handling from Flecha, who managed to squeeze through the middle of the carnage.
@Souleur
Yikes. I would agree it’s an accident, and they were both violating Rule 59. It’s hard to tell who is veering off the most, but it certainly looks like Cavencrash goes off farther than Haussler. I hate how his wheel folds under for about 2 frames before he goes down. Brutal.
according to the bbc, cavendish is mainly road rash but unbroken and likely to race tomorrow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/8742540.stm
no news on the ag2r guy who cartwheels on the right yet
@frank
Actually, the arial shot makes it pretty clear that Haussler is observing Rule 59, and Cav goes way across the road. He should have been regulated for that, if he hadn’t turned himself into a hamburger first.
UCI Rule 2.3.036
Riders shall be strictly forbidden to deviate from the lane they selected when launching into the sprint and, in so doing, endangering others.
Or, more briefly as stated by the Velominati.
Rule 59
Hold your line.
Cavendish moves from the inside to the middle and into Haussler. Young Mark has paid the price for violating Rule 59. Let that be a lesson to those who would casually violate the Rules. (I like how the British announcer says Haussler is the one swinging over, and then apologizes for blaming Cavendish.) Haussler, also deviates a bit off his line, but nothing that would get him santioned. Haussler’s blame in this is violating one of the most sacred of all rules for sprinters: keep your head up and look where you are going. Inexperienced sprinters tend to look down in the great strain of the effort. Given his vision is probably already reduced by oxygen deprivation, he might not even have seen Cavendish coming into him. Then, Haussler loses control of the bike in the strain of the effort, and swings his front wheel into Cav’s pedal.
Proximate cause: Haussler putting his front wheel into Mark’s pedal.
Remote cause: Mark’s violating Rule 59.
I suspect the club of ProTour sprinters is going to blame Haussler entirely. The crash could have been avoided and should have been avoided but for Haussler’s bad technique. A good sprinter should be able to handle someone coming over into them. It happens all the time. And Haussler had room to slide to his left. Or, if he were really slick like McEwen, he should have head-butted Cavendish in the attempt to defend his lane.
No blame there, a true racing crash. both had their heads down and heading for the line, unfortunately they were both heading in opposite directions and rode into each other.
@Steampunk
Oscarito did a pretty good job getting the bike stopped so he didn’t come down, but Flecha went through that gap like he was threading a needle, or perhaps, like an arrow (I’ll get my coat).
Looking at the crash again, I’d attribute that crash to modern cycling technology. Cav veers to the left but Haussler then twists to the right and actually rides into Cav’s front wheel, effectively steps in his foot. Cav’s deep-section front wheel folds and this tucks the bike under him and tips him into the tarmac, Haussler then trips over Cav’s bike. Would it have happened if they were on traditional/old-school 32-hole rims?
Oh and because Rogers has dubiously gone training at altitude:
Tony Martin – Suisse is a good race for a future champion to win
LL Cool Sanchez
Mick RogersTommy LovkvistGilbert the Great
Joaquin Rodriguez
Jeeeeeeez. Burger making on an industrial scale…nothing worse than a full superman over the bars. Agree with the sentiments that that was just an accident though.
@Jarvis – like what you did there ;)
@Jarvis
Yeah, both had their heads down, as do most sprinters, whether that’s a good idea or not. Saying sprinters should have their heads up during an all-out sprint is kind of like telling drivers they should sneeze with their eyes open.
I still maintain it’s all Cav; Haussler does twitch right before they go down, but Cav actually turns his wheel into Haussler’s path right at the moment he twitches, and Haussler’s sweet-ass Cervelo plows over Cav’s front wheel, as shown here:
All in all, the crash would never have happened if Cav had held his line in the first place and as such he’s clearly in the wrong, but I agree it was just two bike riders going for the line and running into each other. It happens.
I have to say, we (I) are getting very close to armchair quarterbacking here. Lets review the following insightful film to refresh our collective memory that we are not racing on the ProTour and as such should perhaps reserve judgment.
Cavendouche. That’s all.
So Dodger out, Martin in please…
1:
Dodger; He knows he will never win Le Tour, so will put it all on the line for another ‘big’ win.Tony Martin2: GaySink; just so I could say that.
3: The Eggtimer; He was shit at ToC, he’ll be shit at TdF, and he’ll bore everyone into submission here, taking time in the cronos, and hanging on like a turd on a blanket in the hills.
4: F Schluck; coming into a little bit of form, but still saving it for July. Or maybe just not good enough… calling Dr Fuentes, training plan please.
5: Bruseghin; Can TT, that’s about all he’ll need to do
Pure racing crash. Having witnessed several TdF sprints on the finishing line, they are fucking frightening.
folding that carbon wheel hurt about as much as any road rash…I hate seeing good equipement go to the trash heap
Sigh. I’m not armchair quarterbacking. I may be high school varsity quarterbacking and not NFL quarterbacking, but I am actually quarterbacking. The sacred rule has been handed down to me from first class sprinters. And it’s one I practice continually. And, it’s false that asking a sprinter to keep his head up is like asking a driver not to close his eyes while sneezing. Most of them manage it.
Steegemans with beautiful technique on the Champs.
Cippollini with his head up the entire way. Just a beautiful sprinter. Go to the slow mo at the end.
Cavendish has head down for a moment, captured in the one frame posted. His technique is this and has been for a long time. He has his head up, and looking forward, as he should for like 4 or so pedal strokes. Then, for a brief moment he looks down and then quickly back up. Then his head is up for another 4 pedal strokes. That’s fine. He can see where he is going doing that, since his head is only down instantaneously. Some other sprinters will do this as well. You can see some of them fighting hard to look up and managing it, except for Haussler. Some of them have trained themselves to have their heads up the entire time, as they should.
Haussler has head down for his entire sprint, and when he starts moving off his line into Cavendish, his head is deeply buried in his lap. At the end of a sprint at high speeds, most are going to have tunnel vision of some sort. And what’s left of your visual field usually starts wobbling all over the place as well.
What is this, a blame Cavendish cabal, because he’s actually Cavendouche?
“I didn’t see Cavendish coming,” Haussler said. “He drove into my wheel and before I knew it, I went down and was lying on the ground. I could have won the stage today.”
Big surprise there. Heh. “He drove into my wheel”. Cavendish will have some things to say about that, I’m sure.
good point david
velonews reports: Mark Cavendish (HTC-Columbia) is being penalized and fined for causing a crash near the finish of the fourth stage of the Tour of Switzerland on Tuesday.
Cavendish is being sanctioned 25 points in the sprinter competition and 30 seconds on the general classification. He also is being fined 200 Swiss francs.
Cavendish appeared to change his line in the sprint, veering into Cervelo’s Heinrich Haussler, causing a crash that brought down a dozen riders. Heinrich’s team announced later that he was leaving the race due to a deep cut on his arm.
“I didn’t see Cavendish coming,” Haussler said in a team statement. “He drove into my wheel and before I knew it, I went down and was lying on the ground. I could have won the stage today.”
*note* Souleur would have asked, ‘piss no you didn’t see him, you had your head down’….but then I am no reporter either
I would just keep my mouth shut, it was an accident and either one coulda been blamed
@Jarvis
Geez: and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. I’d missed Oscarito—thanks. Boonen, too, deserves some credit. He had no chance to avoid the pileup, but he did an impressive job of slowing the bike down fast before he hit Cav.
Haussler to hospital as a precaution and has abandoned. Arnaud Coyot likely broken hip. Boonen fell on his bad knee, but say he’ll be okay.
Cav penalized 30 seconds for “irregular sprinting.” It’s all academic, but I can’t help feeling that Ciolek forced MC-Douche (as the kids would call him—or just C-Douche, or C-Diddy) to jump earlier than he would have liked. Not sure he would have been able to sustain that pace to the line.
She was ugly from the front
She was ugly from the front
She was ugly from the front
And I said ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly
- Lyle Lovett
’nuff said.
Hey, Level 1! Excellent.
@Souleur
Yours came in after I basically parroted your intel. Second time that Cav is penalized for cutting off a Cervelo rider in under a year.
@Geof
Lyle will do that…
@Jarvis
Makes me lonely for the 1994 Champs sprint when Abdujackingoff went into the barriers.

Fuck me the anti-Cavendish feeling is strong here and in the race jury. Not the tidiest sprint ever but full-of-shit Haussler is going to have to do some back-tracking once he sees the video. He had a great year in ’09 and this year has turned into a complete twat.
Oh and Cav didn’t veer off his line, he went perfectly straight, just diagonally compared to the others…
@Geof
Now are getting somewhere, thank you, well played. Some Toshiro Mifune, some Lyle Lovett, this place is starting to get some real class.
I’m not blaming anyone in this sprint but I’m glad HH is taking on C Douche. I like HH. Where is my man Thor in all this?
@frank
Abdujackingoff! He f’ed that up. I think he rode himself into that barrier then had to crawl across the line…Hardman(spoken in a Jon Stewart falsetto)
@john @frank
don’t see his wheel bending though, probably a good job as well. If Abdu’s wheel had folded like Cav’s did today he would have probably have been catapaulted striaght down into the ground and ripped the lower part of his face off.
Here, a picture of Haussler riding into Cavendish.

@Jarvis
That picture really hurts me. My god, look how flat that wheel is. He won’t be riding home on that one, that’s for sure.
It has to be said that Cav ran into Haussler, not the other way around. See the sequence below; yellow line is the Hero of our Story, Haussler, and Red is the Big Bad Wolf, Cav:
If anything, Haussler is moving away from Cav. End of.
Boing??
Wait a tick! Did Gaysink manage to stay upright in a crash??? Doth mine eyes deceive me?
There’s irony for ya.
@frank
Irony, indeed! It should be noted, however, that he finished 37th, so this shot is some five minutes after the initial crash. Reports also indicate that Gesink bounced off the side barrier and crashed three frames later…
@Steampunk
And broke his wrist?
@frank
Naturally.
Replace Rogers with Martin:
1. Martin
2. Kreuziger
3. COTHO
4. Frank Schleck
5. Kloden
Re: Haussler, great tweet from Our Robbie McEwen yesterday, “i asked H.Haussler loaded q tday,”did ur team win or lose last nite?” he said, “f*$kn lost”. So he is definitely aussie”
@frank
Actually it looks like he’s in danger of snapping his skinny ankle on that big ol’ wheel lying directly in front of his unclipped foot. Are we sure he survived the impact unscathed?
Equally as remarkably, Twistin Banged and Felled also appears to have made it through another day.
Almost wish he had: he’s twenty minutes off the pace already and I wouldn’t mind switching in somebody else. But that’s dirty pool to wish someone harm, so I retract.
It looks like Salvador Dali laced C-Diddy’s wheel!
@brett
What actually troubles me about this crash is that C-Diddy’s wheel seemed to buckle BEFORE he got tagged by Hein-Haus. Am I right? If so, it doesn’t say much for those deep dish carbon rims that they buckle just because, what, you turn a bit sharpish and get a bit over to one side…
@Geof
and then in the ‘after’ shots, Cavendouche’s wheel seems to have straightened back into a half normal shape?!? What kind of a wet noodle is that?
@Marcus
ah the beauty of carbon – unidirectional flex
PS Cav is a muppet who loves to ‘squeeze’ the sprinters line. IMO bloody dangerous
@Geof
nah – no way – he leans to drive his right leg, in doing so angles his deep dishes under HH’s wheel at the very moment he is leaning opposite direction, as they both then swing through the vertical axis with power on opposing, leg HH’s wheel ‘rides over’ the muppet’s. This motion is assisted by the rotational direction of each others tyres (much same way that open wheel race cars ‘launch’ the behind car if they get a wheel clash)
@crossy
Thanks. Very reassuring. Maybe Brett will be able to sell me those Zipps one day after all …
@Geof Another confidence builder for you. Lucky for the dog though. Aluminum wheels would have hurt him badly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLNTuxFdvvg
@david
Yeah, seen that before. Love the way the dog just wonders off as if to say “What? Me?” Brett – those Zipps may have to gather a bit more dust …
@david
That Steegemans sprint is the coolest thing ever. I love that they switched to that side-view camera. You can see the power in his stroke so clearly.
He was obviously peaking.
Tour de Suisse riders delay stage in Cavendish protest
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tour-de-suisse-riders-delay-stage-in-cavendish-protest-26610?CPN=RSS&SOURCE=BRGENHOME
Surely a peloton-wide breach of Rule 5.
@Guy

Couldn’t agree more. This is a Rule 5 Protest:
Great photo. Love the guy from the Sopranos there keeping things under control.
@Guy Absolutely a serious Rule 5 infraction. “”We just want to send a message to Cavendish to ask him for more respect,” said AG2R directeur sportif Gilles Mas to AFP.” Giles, harden the fuck up.
That’s such a great photo
On the subject of Rule 5 – I’m eating Rule 5 pie as today this arrived
Boy it is really difficult for me to understand the animosity against Cavendish. In comments on blogs or news sites, lots of folks saying, “Fuck you, Cavendish”, blah, blah, blah. As if he did it intentionally, which clearly he did not. He’s a pretty clean sprinter. I understand the Velominati’s disdain for his salutes lacking all style. (Although, I liked the telephone call salute, once, just after picking up HTC as a sponser.) It can’t be the fact that he says publicly he’s the fastest sprinter from 200 meters, can it? The dispute he’s had with Griepel? The two-fingered salute to the media? All of these things together? I’m missing something.
Maybe refined sensibilities, or something.
@Guy
OH HOLY FUCK.
@david
He didn’t do it intentionally, it was a racing accident. He was at fault, though.
It’s also definitely not his “I’m the fastest man in the world” attitude because (a) he is and (b) if that was the case, I’d have to hate Cipo and I loved that dude.
I think it’s his cavalier attitude and his apparent disrespect for the history and culture of the sport (Wiggo seems to border on this, too, btw). The premeditated salutes are disrespectful to the other sprinters, his sprinting in the stage of last year’s Tour when he was regulated was a problem, too – not to mention the fact that he never takes responsibility for his mistakes. If he’d come out after the stage in the Tour and said, “I balled that one up, fellas. Sorry about that.” it would be one thing, but instead he calls it the worst sporting decision by the judges in history. And in this case, if he apologized for jeopardizing his colleague’s livelihood by potentially ruining their seasons, it might be another matter.
For me, it all kinda adds up into a pattern that makes him seem like a poor sport and that makes it hard to respect him.
Pretty much what I said Frank
There is a difference between being the best and being the best and a dickhead.
Humility covers over a multitude of sins.
@Frank – a perfect assessment of Cavendish and why I don’t care for him. Cipo was cocky, and knew he was a badass, but had class, style, and charisma. Cav is fast but also a twatwaffle.
@frank @Cyclops @bikenerd. Thanks. I seriously was asking for some explanation of the animosity, not making any points. But, I still don’t get it. Some sportsmanship gene I don’t have, apparently.
One thing that catches my attention is the claim that premediated salutes show disrespect for his competitors. Maybe. But just because he’s assuming beforehand he will win, and showing it? Hardly a grave breach. And, none of his salutes mocked his competitors, like Cipollini’s over-the-shoulder-Good-Lord-how-come-all-of-you-are-so-far-behind-me-look salute. / Admitting mistakes? The relegation last year was really iffy. He was right to be pissed, given the Green jersey was at issue. Iffy calls shouldn’t be made when big things are at stake. And, you know my assessment this TdS stage. Yeah, he violated the UCI rule, and should have been sanctioned, but, the crash shouldn’t have happened because Haussler was just out of control. So, I don’t see he has any reason to admit any mistake other than the fact that he violated the UCI rule, which he has already done. And, then, if French teams want to hold up the race like big pussies, Cavendish is right to respond with contempt. Silliness like that deserves a contemptuous response./ No humility? The demand for public displays of humility are to appease people with psychological problems, or else are ways other players try to gain power in the public realm. /Does not show respect for the history and traditions of the sport? I don’t know. I’d be willing to listen to more on that. But, I do recall M Cav saying before the 08′ TdF that he really wanted to finish the race. He didn’t think it was fair to the organizers or the fans that he would start with the intention of quitting when the race got to the mountains. Note how different that attitude is to Cipollini’s. In fact, aside from dopers, one could argue that no one has shown more lack of respect for the TdF than Cipollini. And, M Cav has worked hard to get himself into a position where he can finish the race and compete for the Green Jersey. I doubt Cipo gave it half as much effort.
I am now as big a fan of Cavendish as ever. I used to not much care for him, because his sprinting lacked the elegance that Cipollini’s had. But, now I’m going to take up his cause. I’m really starting to like his defiance in the face of the unbalanced attacks on him. Instead of a floppy, flacid public persona designed to appease the masses, young Mark has his heart on his sleeve and is going to tell it like he sees it. Perhaps, I’m wrong, but I would suggest some mediation on Rule 5 may be needed for those who respond so negatively to him.
How ’bout some killer Rule 9 action out there today, huh? Man, I just love a good day of racing in the rain.
And, a fellow tall feller, too, to boot. Nice.
You obviously aren’t married. :)
“A gentle answer turns away wrath.”
@david
with you all the way on Cav. The answer you are looking for though is that Cav is easy to hate. At times he makes it look too easy and that is why people don’t like him and probably because he didn’t take much time to announce that he was the best of the best and stomp on all the established spinters. There is a huge amount of hypocrisy surrounding the criticism of Cav.
Let’s have a look at some of these established sprinters:
McEwen: long in the tooth, but like Cav is now, when he was younger was considered brash, arrogant (remember those one-handed wheelies?), reckless/dangerous (remember that headbutt?)
Steegmans: Beat Boonen once, when he was his lead-out. Done nothing since other than get blown off his bike by a hurricane
Boonen: Not as fast as he was, can’t really crticise other people after his last couple of years. Maybe not wayward riding, but wayward living can be just as reckless
And that it’s, run out of sprinters.
It’s a shame for Haussler as he was clearly back to form, but he should HTFU and accept that accidents happen, besides it’ll give him more time at the bar. It’s not like Cav took him across the road and into the barriers, the sprint was a lot more wild as they came around Ciolek
@frank
your graphic – once around Ciolek, each rider is one a line that will eventually cross the other.
frame 3 – both with outside cranks down
frame 4 – as the inside cranks come down bodies lean with it and they come together.
also, forgetting that Cipo used to taunt other sprinters for losing by telling they knew nothing about tactics and had he bothered to race he would have whipped their arses. Hardly respectful, but hey, this is sprinting. Sprinters are (generally) alpha-males and with that comes a certain arrogance for without it they wouldn’t be able to get a place at the top-table.
@Guy: that is a serious ticket!!!
I would only be so lucky, but maybe one day
btw: 1969 was a great year!
@Souleur, @Guy

Just reviewed the profile – that’s a proper ride, too!
It’s probably inaccurate to call Boonen and Hushovd all-out sprinters. They’re fast as hell, but they’re more all-rounders and Classics threats. Which makes it easier to appreciate them. Can’t help thinking that the Green Jersey race last year wouldn’t have been close if Hushovd had had the HTC Columbia lead-out train. C-Douche is faster—no question—but he gets an awful lot of help.
For what it’s worth, I’m a big fan of panache and irreverence, but C-Diddy is flat-out arrogant. He’s a bit impish, and good for a laugh, but I think Frank’s point about him not appreciating his sport’s history and heritage is a good one; it hurts his character. Spitting in front of opponents (whether they need to HTFU or not): classy!
@souleur cheers for the comments. Looking forward to it in an odd way. We’re going up to the Rapha Cycle Club in London tomorrow for their etape evening. Should be fun. Good stage of the TdS to watch before as well.
WRT to Cav. I love him. He’s proper world class and he’s a Brit. I don’t buy all the Italian style bollocks. And the teams that protested today need to suck it up. They demonstrated why France hasn’t had a Tour winner for such a long time.
@Cyclops Heh. You’re right. I don’t doubt I might have a different attitude were it so. Then, again, I might be married and still believe what I said is true. ;-)
@Steampunk Last year Boonen said he didn’t do any sprint training. That’s pretty remarkable.
@Guy
Helmets off to you! Thats a seriously competative, poular score! There was a great write up about it recently – think in one of the UK mags… or maybe Ride…?
Need to change my tips! – not sure that is Kosher at this time… but here goes anyway!
Cancellara
Schleck (A) OUT Schleck (F) IN
Rogers OUT Martin IN
Kloden
Kreuziger
@crossy
Mate, you might want to reconsider the Schleck change, because that will cost you 4 points. Whereas Martin for Rogers is free because Rogers pulled out, so no penalty.
@brett, @crossy
Actually, changing of picks is only allowed on rest days, and we don’t have any in this race, so only DNF-substitutions go. Technically, you have to do those within 24 hours, but we’ll give you a passer on this one. Kind of like with Geof and his socks.
Jeebus. I go on a road trip for a few days and look what happens. This place is so full of comments I’ll never catch up, the whole peloton protests Cav (has that ever happened), and we find out Geof wears ankle socks (which I’ve been known to do). I’ve been doing some fun riding, ride report on Beartooth Pass to come and tour de blast on Saturday. Keep up the solid work all.
Alright! Now we come to it! The climb up the Albulapass! Will young Tony Martin hang on? Will Faboo turn on the motor? Will Armstrong show us he’s taking the TdF seriously. Will Frank attack? <– That seems very likely. Too exciting!
C.F. Pelkey, commenting on the TdS on Velonews: “Indeed, he has. [Cavendish] is reportedly off riding some high mountain roads today. So we’re going to gamble and say that he opted to just keep a low profile after that tumble on Tuesday. Seriously, even if he did act like a jerk – if the spitting rumor is true – after the crash, anyone with a conscience has to feel pretty bad for causing that crash. While I’ve seen several folks try to apply some of the blame to Haussler – he did have his head down – I have to agree with the race jury and place responsibility for that one squarely on the shoulders of “the Manx Missile.”
There are two sorts of blame or guilt that many are confusing. In a way, the jury is not blaming Cavendish. They are only determining whether or not he violated UCI Rule 2.3.036.
Riders shall be strictly forbidden to deviate from the lane they selected when launching into the sprint and, in so doing, endangering others.
And he did. But now aside from that, is he blameworthy? Did he sprint poorly? Was he negligent or reckless? That’s hardly clear. The race jury has not the competence to make that assessment. The rules and conventions governing the common practice of sprinters determines that. And, according to those unofficial rules, moving into the lanes of others is not itself negligent or reckless. It happens all the time. And, as Jarvis has pointed out, it’s not like C Diddy drove Haussler into the barricades. C Diddy’s lane change is fairly smooth and nothing radical. (I would add here that the course finish is highly irregular. The barricades are not parallel at points, and the lines on the street were all whacky. C Diddy may well have thought he was in the right lane) But now let’s look at Haussler. Even though the UCI Rule says everyone is to maintain their lane, common practice says you do not get to bury your head in your lap for 100 meters and then cry foul when someone comes into your lane unseen. Lane shifts occur all the time in final 300 meters of a sprint, and you have to be ready for them. That’s competent sprinting. Further, you do not get to lose control of your bike, excessively leaning it back and forth, so that your front wheel is wildly swinging left and right, and then complain that someone got too close to you and drove into your wheel. It’s expected, common practice, that sprinters will be so close as to touch. That’s why young Mark is saying he’s not totally to blame. He’s saying he’s to blame for violating UCI Rules, but that he’s not to blame for violating the rules and conventions of competent sprinting. Haussler is not to blame for violating UCI rules, but he is to blame for violating the unofficial rules of competent sprinting. If McEwen, despite what he’s recently said, were in Haussler’s position, they just would have bumped each other with no harm done. Or, McEwen would have head butted Cavendish–which would have been too fucking cool.
So the TdS is over right now, right? We can cancel the final stages and just leave Gesink in yellow? Because that would be good for me. Before he tumbles tomorrow. Not a good salute by any stretch of the imagination—and a nasty wobble to boot. He looked very good on the climb, though. Hint of what he could do if he wasn’t so busy breaking wrists, etc.
@Steampunk
Dude, I love that guy. Tall, Dutch. Shit, that’s enough right there, but aside from his generally poor skill at staying upright, he has some serious grinta. I have been unable to find the footage of it, but there was a mountain top finish in the Vuelta last year where he attacked soooooooo hard, head down, just powered and keep sprinting until everyone was off his wheel. Coolest attack I’ve ever seen in a bike race in recent memory.
Rad.
@frank
I’d love to see him have a good Tour. He’s one of those guys who could be in the mix and make it more interesting if he didn’t crash out early all the time. Unfortunately, the early stages seem tougher than usual, and I don’t see him hanging in long enough…
…and we’re probably flogging a dead horse with the C-Douche stuff, but reports today say the protest was a result of him spitting on Haussler immediately after the crash. I missed that part of the story and thought they were just protesting his unsafe riding.
Me, just 10 minutes ago: Where is Faboo on the Stage 6 results list? (http://06.live-radsport.ch/details_18120/Tour_de_Suisse__Etappe_6.html)
Me, just now: Oh… I see, he hadn’t finished until just a few minutes ago, 23 minutes down. DAMN.
@ben
He’s going to have to straight carve up some dudes BIG TIME on the TT. 23 minutes down, it almost seems not an impossible gap for him.
@Steampunk
He’s exactly the kind of rider I love to love. I just keep on hopin’ that little guy can get the girl in the end. Even just the tension of hoping he keeps from falling off is enough to make any race exciting! Reading the live report, I was thinking, “don’t crash – don’t crash!”
@frank
Yep: and each turn on the descent had me worried. He lost close to a minute from the top, but he got there in one piece.
Gesink is a freakin stud!
With that form, I think he moves up the TdF consideration list as not a dark horse, but a worthy rider. Wow, even the brothers Grimpeur were human today.
I suppose the real question is was Andy in it for a training ride today, or was he trying to make time on Martin and podium?? To me, he looked either to comfy or he didn’t have it but it was hard to tell.
oh, and yes, I thought Gesink over-cooked it on a couple of those corners, he is no El Falco by any standard
@Souleur
Rabobank could be interesting with both Gesink and Menchov showing good form. But I refuse to get too excited yet. Both seem to spend way too much time falling over.
@Steampunk The real interesting question is A. Schleck. He did not look impressive in CA. He did not look impressive today. Is he really a Contador contender? Can he train himself into TdF form? Did he do so last year? I don’t recall.
@david
I can only imagine he’s just sitting in and working himself into form, but today was a little untidy, wasn’t it? Goodness knows he’s too good and too young to be losing the thread like this. I’d feel better about this, though, if Saxo Bank already had a sponsor lined up. Hope it’s not riding on the Tour. My instinct is that he’s okay, or else we might have heard something at some point already. He had a rough winter/spring, but he seems to be coming along.
@steampunk: we hope so….
I will give him this, he may be holding his cards close to his chest which does a few things
-it takes pressure off his team/teammates and himself…ok fair enough
-however, it also can be a distraction in that no mention of a ‘good’ effort was made in preparation of the prom and the ‘quietness’ of spring can be distacting, in that the domestiques want to KNOW they are riding for the man who will win
or he may indeed be sucking hind tit here and bluffing
Side Note… just went on the TdS website, and this article jumped out at me. http://www.tds.ch/tourdesuisse/generated/article/radsport/2010/06/17/12239600000.html
Rivella, I love that stuff!
Oh and right now, I think I have zero points. Great :(
@Guy congrats for being at Letape this year…last year when I was in Champs Elysses on the final day of the Tour I really thought about participating on this year Letape…but I kind of gave up after I saw the profile of the stage and how many Euros I was going to spend…even with my wife “allowing” me to go Rule #11 (in fact she was focusing on shopping in Paris)…
Regarding this TdS looks like it can be the first VSP without a winner!
@frank
Cool – many thanks – guess it helps if I read the rules, right?!
@ben
23 minutes – thats some bonk!
I am liking Rodriguez’ chances In these last few stages. He beat Gesink at Pais Vasco in a hilly 22km TT by 33′… And I also think Armstrong might make a showing, what with all this rage (and Rage Against the Machine) he’s been all a-twittering as of late. But know who I’m really rooting for? Morabito. Swiss dude, Swiss bike, swiss race. You know he’s all out.
Meanwhile, Faboo could give a hoot. Dude got his druthers in the spring, and I respect that. I assume he’ll be focusing on the Worlds double he missed out on…
@Ben
Dammit, I was going to put J-Rod in my original selection, and again when Dodger pulled out. I had doubts about Martin hanging in the mountains, should’ve gone with my instincts there. It’s a tough game, this VSP!
I can only hope that Lofkvist and Martin can pull something special out in the TT. Going off the Prologue times, then they’re in with a chance of the top-5, but it will be a long-shot and they might end up 6th & 7th.
Hmmm – a tall skinny Rabobank rider who slays ‘em in the mountains. Have we heard this story before … ? Eck – mouth washed out. Om – bad thoughts banished.
@Souleur
This from A. Schleck: “If I compare myself to this time last year, I am ahead…I am better than I was then.” Good news?
Schleck claims he wanted to try an attack early on the final climb. If he had stuck on the wheels, he would have finished with his brother, but he wanted to see how he could go. He also said that the false flat at the top gave him trouble.
We went to an Etape evening at the Rapha Cycle Club in London last night. Looks like the hardest climb is the first (Col de Marie Blanque) so get over that and you’re ok.
I was quite surprised by how unprepared some of the other attendees were in terms of riding and awareness of the route. Remember the ride is 1 month today.
3 sample questions, all genuine:
1. The Marie Blanque is the first climb. How many are there. (Answer, after that you have the Col du Soulor and Col du Tourmalet)?
2. With gearing, when you’re talking about 34×27, is the 34 the big one on the front?
3. What’s should my heart rate be on a climb?
keep us updated Guy. How did you go about getting a ticket for that? I assume based on the questions, there were no qualifiers to get in.
To the Etape or the event last night?
Oooo – I’m a level 2!
Andy Schleck on Levi Leipheimer yesterday: “Levi was, for me, also pretty okay.” Poor Levi. His career summed up in three words: “also pretty okay.”
@Guy
What’s the rapha cycle club like? I keep meaning to go in there everytime I’m in London and drool on stuff I can’t afford. I also keep meaning to go to look mum no hands, I might make a special effort to go to watch the Tourmalet stage.
As for qu2., 34 is on the front and it would be the small ring on a compact (50/34) chainset
Burghardt might get his second win here
@Guy
Couple things:
I cannot believe you get to go to the Rapha Cycling club. As a devout Rouleur fan, Rapha is kind of Zues to me.
Having ridden in the region quite a bit, Marie Blanque is very steep, but not long. The second climb, the Soulor you will feel, and the Tourmalet is brutishly long but not that steep. The notion that “you’re ok” after the first climb and with two big ones to come is a tad optimistic, I’m afraid.
When we did L’Etape in ’03, there were 8000 starters and 3000 finishers. Brutal. And taht’s just another stage for the boys doing the Tour. They’ll have done it the day before and they’ll do it again the next day.
Time for a new German breakaway specialist?
@frank It’s a very nice place indeed.and I walked out with their new ltd edition Tourmalet jersey which was nice.
I’m well aware that the other 2 aren’t a walk in the park, but the 5 doing the talk have all ridden the last 5 etapes so have some basis. What they were getting at was that the toughest climb is the first, so mentally you know you can do the other two if you feed and drink well. I’m a useless climber so if I go there expecting to get beaten I may as well stay home. I’m trying to be a little positive.
@Andy. I know that some people think Rapha is pretentious but the people running it just love cycling and their attention to detail is amazing. The club is a great place, albeit only open for 3 months. Those questions weren’t mine by the way!
@Guy
HA! That is brilliant. Good tactic. Stay positive. Well done.
Man, I’m jealous – such a cool experience!
In ’03, looking at the profile, we thought it was 80km downhill to the finish from the top of the last pass; turned out it was 50km of riding over undulating farm roads, with another 1km of vertical covered on steep climbs. Started to rain at the end, and as we entered the town, those steep climbs turned into cobbled climbs. Epic.
@frank
Damn, I didn’t realize until now I made the Lexicon. I am humbled. I never understood “Spartacus” anyway.
In the word(s) of Wakko Warner: http://rafiki100.tripod.com/faboo.wav
That’s easy: (220 – (Your Age) – (Rear Cog)) * (1 + % gradient)
(220 – 32 – 27) * (1.10) = 177 BPM for a 10% gradient. SOLVED!
@guy: the Etape, how do you get around to doing one and qualifying?
or better yet, being from the USA and having to go through the difficulty of travel, which event would you recommend for a travel/destination. I know its off topic, but something I have considered doing.
thanks!
@frank. It’s the only way I’ll finish ;)
@Ben do you think I’ll be able to calculate that on the Tourmalet :D
@souleur. Most of the places go to French riders. My folks have a place out there so we had an address to use but the friend Im riding it with runs a Trek dealership. He emailed the MD of Trek UK to see if he had any contacts and the next thing we knew he’d got us places, a hotel, free Trek kit and access to the Trek Travel feed zones (that could be a huge benefit on the day as we can avoid the bedlam in the public ones). We fly out on the 14th (I’m shooting a wedding in Paris on the 10th so its a busier weekend than I’d like). We meet up with the Trek lads in Lourdes on the 17th and stay together that night, then ride and back to the hotel on the 18th, flying home on the 20th.
in the UK you can only enter through a company like Sporting Tours otherwise. Quite costly. I hear the Italian Gran Fondos can be easier to get into.
@Souleur, @Guy
You can only get the entry form in the French Velo magazine, I think. It used to be you could get it online and enter, which is what we did. But it’s a mess now, unfortunately.
There are other cool Cyclosportives in Europe and I can’t encourage you strongly enough to do one, it is a life’s memory. I did LBL one year, and there is one for Flanders, too. I’m sure there are more.
The Keepers are doing a week in Belgium next year around the cobbled classics – so you could always join us there, too!
That would be awesome.
@frank @guy
I sued to love the idea of Rapha and I still really like what Rouleur do, but…I starting to struggle to understand them. I’ve always wondered how they could possibly exist in the UK, there just didn’t seem to be the market for them to be able to promote themselves as they do and rumours out there would suggest that they really need to get their boutique shops and sales in America working well and quickly.
@frank
the keepers are going to be in Belgium next spring? Might have to make the journey there as well.
@Jarvis. If yesterday was any indication there are a lot of people buying. It was very busy at the tills.
@frank
@frank – your handy lines are only relative to the camera angle – compare them to the road markings – both riders are veering almost equally – that said I still think Cav more to blame….also question whether his wheel folded before impact?
crikey, Kim Kirchen had a suspected heart attack last night. Currently in hospital in zurich, but stable
That’s pretty scary: I hope he’s okay. Is it too callous for me to make a change?
1. Fabian Cancellara
2. Robert Gesink
3. Roman Kreuziger
4. Christian Vande Velde
5. Kim Kirchen—replace with Jakob Bugle song
@frank: oh buddy, that is freakin incredible!
That is a dream come true!! Not only to ride the cobbles but to be on the Muur and slapping their arse up the mother!!! My buddies would die at home to see that
Keep me posted, seriously, i need time to set my calendar and procure the funds/time from my wife etc….
whats the best way to stay posted??
Man, am I fucking gutted today or what.
Shot a wedding yesterday and was setting a shot up outside, walked backwards to get the angle I wanted and my left foot went into a hidden drain cover causing me to fall with it trapped in there and twist horribly. It’s swollen up big time now and badly bruised.
Fuck.
We’re going to start needing a Sickbay/Bench on here, for all those with injuries.
@Guy Been following your immanent Etape and this really is a drag. If it happened in the bedroom I’d say harden up but at work, just the worst. Ice her up stay off as much as possible and remember it may not behave badly on the bike – hope it is not that bad and you have time – this is not the worst because sometime time off the bike is ok and makes you rested and strong when you start up. Just have to let go the planned training and relax in the knowledge that it will be fine – good luck!
Cheers gents. Spoke to a mate of mine who’s a physio and he’s advised 3 days off the bike with RICE as much as possible. It does seem very unlikely that it’ll impact the Etape ride, and I did manage to save the camera and still shoot the wedding.
So, Rule 5 as applied to photography.
@Guy
Hang in there. I had a bad sprain this past spring. On crutches for almost two weeks before I started limping everywhere. I found, however, that once the swelling had gone down, I could pedal. Bumps were a little sore for awhile, but you can get on the bike. Yes: RICE and stay off it and you should be okay. Good luck!
I’m walking on it ok this morning, not much pain at all, just some swelling.
Congrats Frank. Armstrong down 12 sec to F Schleck. *^$^%$!!!
@results
Arse
@all
WFT?? The Keepers are out for a day suffering like Sweet Baby Jesus on the Cross, and I come back and my boy won the race?? No idea what happened; I’ll have to sync up and then I’ll get the VSP results out later today.
I can’t believe Pharmdog got second and did Gesink fall off his bike?
@frank says, “No idea what happened.” Perhaps F. Schleck went to the Alberto Contador school on time-trailing for wafer thin, wimpy little guys with no muscle whatsoever.
@david
More like Guns of Navarone.
@all
Christ. I have to upgrade my VSP tracking software. This was epic, we showed some newcomers (Andy) and others coming in and staring to close down the gap to Rob.
Rob managed to maintain his lead in the overall VSP, while newcomer Velominatus Andy won the Obey the Rules bumper sticker. Good work, mate!
1 Frank: 10 points
2 Andy: 7 points
3 Brett: 2 points
4 Marko: 2 points
5 Rob: 2 points
6 Marcus: 2 points
7 John: 1 point
8 Geof: 1 point
9 Robert Marques: 1 point
10 Steampunk: 1 point
11 David: 1 point
12 Nathan Edwards: 0 points
13 Jarvis: 0 points
14 Joe: 0 points
15 Souleur: 0 points
16 Ben: 0 points
17 Crossy: 0 points
18 Dale: 0 points
I bow down to you Frank you are so way out front! The pressure continues and now that Pharmstrong is looking like his old self the tour picks are just going to be that much more difficult…
Andy, well done, enjoy the bumper sticker it gets a good reaction.
@all
The overall standings have been published; it is confirmed that Rob is still overall leader and Andy should be expecting his sticker soon.
Well done everyone – see you all back here in July! It’s going to be a beyhatch to figure the wins there.
now if I’d only remembered to put a few quid on Schleck senior…
I can’t wait for the Tour to start, i’ve got my Flanders and Basque flags out in anticipation!
@andy
Nice picks for Switzerland! I’ll be withholding my TdF picks until I’ve seen yours…
Hey is anybody double checking Franks scores? I am going to my bookie with his picks for the TdF.
Best reaction I’ve had to mine so far: “Are you a cop?” (“Piss off – I’m a Rule Holist” didn’t seem like a helpful answer, so I just said “Er, no”.)
Well, I was crap!
On another topic. Not sure if any of you lot caught up with this TdF Fantasy game last year http://sbs.com.au/tdf/fantasy
I have set up a mini-league, happy for all and sundry to join.
Go to the game http://sbs.com.au/tdf/fantasy ,pick your team then use the ‘mini-league admin’ option to join my mini-league.
The details you need are:
League Name: Super Domestique
League password: jens01
It doesn’t cost anything – plus there are some great prizes to win!
Wait, you’re going to spend some amount of your time constructing a fantasy team for the TdF? And, you’re going to invest yourself, psychologically, in this “team” scoring point for you? Are you unemployed, on the dole? If you are, you should be ridding 6-8 hours per day and should not concern yourself with such nonsense. Jesus Christ. Harden the fuck up.
@david
cool
@Rob
You guys totally SHOULD double-check my scores. I did my best, but who knows. Plus, Marko was over and Marko, my Velomihottie, and I were undergoing a bout of savage drinking at the time, so anything is possible.
@frank Its not about your math, no matter how drunk you were – its about where you are getting your info and if you have an inside track to team politics and the deals being cut in the peloton? Your score is so far out front that we have to question your sources… I mean your wasting the likes of Brett, John, Geof and they are students of the pro game. You have led the results by wide margins in 4 out of 6 races and in the other 2 you have not been last. I’m just saying….
I think there should be an inquiry and a grand jury convened to make sure this Competition is not rigged!! Mind I am not complaining I still have the awesome world champ jersey by the skin of my teeth and the fact that you are not subject to our plebian level.
On another subject do we get a report (and images) on the gathering of the inner circle of the Velominati?
@Rob
Naming both Frankie-boy and Gaysink in the top five in their respective places was blind luck. I pretty much just voted with my heart and tempered it with a light (very light) touch of reality which is the only reason I didn’t put those two lads in 1-2.
We have a full account of the madness coming shortly; including pictures and video. Stand by.
My goodness, does John ever have a magnificent stroke. You trained him well.
Clairvoyantical doping?
@Geof
No point investigating: Frank’s already paid the UCI off.
@Steampunk
It was just a donation. Pat has the receipt. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along …
@Geof
True enough. Besides: he’s never tested positive. Now, only if he had a bitter and ostracized former friend…
@Steampunk
“I was once required to deliver a ouja board to Frank”.
“Frank showed me how to conduct a micro-sceances and autologous spirit transfusions.”
“I had to look after Frank’s tarot cards while he was on holiday.”
Now that WOULD be a story…
Can’t wait and I can take no credit for johns wicked stroke he is all self trained. In fact with his awesome physique it is a fucking miracle that he looks as brilliant on a bike as he does! I’d give credit to Velominati and the rules but he was the man who wrote Rule #5 and I think he became awesome when he moved up from the champagne Peugeot to the Merlin… and that was years ago. I think he is on something else now?
I just got Velonews’ Tour de France Official Guide. I’m so bewildered by the TdF VSP picks, I was looking for some help. Paid freakin’ nine bucks for it. I can’t find anything good in it that I have not gotten by reading Velonews or Cyclingnews daily, except for an article on Wiggins. It’s got interview extracts I have not seen yet. Waste.
Wiggins, though, is really talking smack. In fact, I nominate him for Pre-Tour COTHO.
“Looking back now, Wiggins believes he could have even challenged for the victory in 2009. . . . “I felt at the time I could have gone with Contador when he attacked at Andorra. But I was like, ‘No, no, no. Don’t be stupid.’ . . . . ‘The first two weeks, . . . I never pushed it, even when I was really good at the Tour. I just stayed on the safe side of caution. I stayed on the defensive.”
Hmm. But in the third week, when you could have attacked the old man to get on the podium, you were what???
Wiggins: “Well, it was just for third place at that point. Third, fourth, what’s the difference.”
No, I just made that up.
Actual quote.
“I think JV [Jonathan Vaughters] really understood why I had to leave,” Wiggins said. “There were certain things that he couldn’t do for me. There were certain things he wanted me to do that I was never going to be willing to do.”
The prediction about the TdF I’m most confident in is that Wiggins and Sky are going to crash and burn.
@david
Don’t always agree with someone who regards Rule Holism as “the dark side”, but I just can’t get on the Twiggo train. Ever since he bailed from JV after JV had seemingly rescued him from what was rapidly turning into another “failed to make the transition from the track” story. I don’t blame him for wanting to follow the money. But it’s poor form to follow it prematurely.