Socks over the booties? Please say it ain't so.

The Punter

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They say you can measure the quality of a man’s character by his ability to admit when he’s wrong. That in itself seems wrong, since it would obviously be better to be right in the first place, but I’m probably missing the point because I’m Dutch and everyone knows Dutch people are 97% more righter 84% of the time than the rest of the world.

I must confess to a certain hubris when it comes to kitting up for a ride; I’ve been doing this for a long time, and I’ve gotten accustomed to making good decisions about what to wear and how to wear it. But today I strayed from the path: my socks were carefully and deliberately pulled out over the tops of my overshoes. Not only is it the most concrete evidence that my socks are too long, it looked like I had two orange gaskets stuck to my ankles. Not to mention that this resulted in only a tiny amount of my shins being exposed between my knee warmers and socks.

Sometimes we must stray from the Path in order to understand where it lies; today I have wandered far indeed but have found my way back. Do not lose faith and always seek to return to the Path.

VLVV.

// Irreverence // Kit // Musings from the V-Bunker

  1. Yesterday, I met someone wearing Sugoi Zap shoe covers. I might get a pair of these for “warmer” cool/cold weather riding. Wind/waterproof but not as insulated as the Pro Softshell WxB shoe covers. And for rides where I know I’ll be coming home as it’s getting dark. They really do reflect when hit by light (as in the pic below).

    http://road.cc/content/review/109993-sugoi-zap-shoe-covers

  2. @frank @Matt, et al….. Really, who cares what a cyclist wears as long as he/s is out there. The mindless obsession with cycling “fashion” is superfluous and irrelevant – just more marketing for runway wannabes. Passing motorists could care less; fellow cyclists could care less. If you crave attention, ride faster.

  3. Oooofff. Terry, you are in the wrong place if you want to carry on about how aesthetic choices don’t matter.

    It’s quite simple, really. A lot of us have class, passion, and honor. That dictates how we carry ourselves on and off the bicycle. Additionally, for many of us cycling is a crucial part of our daily lives, something we happily partake in and which is never far from our minds. As a result, we take it seriously and to do that means we care. We care that our RD is correctly adjusted, we care that our bibs aren’t covered with dog hair, and we care that we’re always in good enough form to head out for a long day in the saddle whenever a mate comes knocking.

    Your belief that I’m going about any of this mindlessly is definitively incorrect.

    As for attention. Not even close. It’s about self-respect and decency. Many of us have high standards and take what we choose to spend our time on seriously. Don’t think you’ll find many half-steppers in the Followers pack. For me, there is no point in getting out of bed in the morning if I’m going to half-heart my way around.

    As a wise Dean once said, “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

  4. @Terry

    @frank @Matt, et al….. Really, who cares what a cyclist wears as long as he/s is out there. The mindless obsession with cycling “fashion” is superfluous and irrelevant – just more marketing for runway wannabes. Passing motorists could care less; fellow cyclists could care less. If you crave attention, ride faster.

    I sense a disturbance in the Force.

  5. @Terry

    The mindless obsession with cycling “fashion” is superfluous and irrelevant – just more marketing for runway wannabes.

    I resemble that statement!

  6. @Ron

    Oooofff. Terry, you are in the wrong place if you want to carry on about how aesthetic choices don’t matter.

    It’s quite simple, really. A lot of us have class, passion, and honor. That dictates how we carry ourselves on and off the bicycle. Additionally, for many of us cycling is a crucial part of our daily lives, something we happily partake in and which is never far from our minds. As a result, we take it seriously and to do that means we care. We care that our RD is correctly adjusted, we care that our bibs aren’t covered with dog hair, and we care that we’re always in good enough form to head out for a long day in the saddle whenever a mate comes knocking.

    Your belief that I’m going about any of this mindlessly is definitively incorrect.

    As for attention. Not even close. It’s about self-respect and decency. Many of us have high standards and take what we choose to spend our time on seriously. Don’t think you’ll find many half-steppers in the Followers pack. For me, there is no point in getting out of bed in the morning if I’m going to half-heart my way around.

    As a wise Dean once said, “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

    Quite. In response to the “who cares” the answer is “we care”. I could not care less about the opinion of the passing driver as long as a) he sees me and b) he misses me. Mainly coz once one did neither………….

  7. @Ron

    Oooofff. Terry, you are in the wrong place if you want to carry on about how aesthetic choices don’t matter.

    Fair enough, but I think Terry has a point. At one level, we shouldn’t really care about what kind of bike people ride and what they wear while riding … if we believe that more bikes and people riding bikes are “better” than less. At the same time, those of us who take our riding more “seriously” are going to have a different attitude and approach. But I’d be careful about having our noses too far up in the air and looking down at anyone who doesn’t look like us. One of the reasons I quit racing and riding a bike for ~15 years was because of elitism and snobbery … by a whole lot of racers/riders/wannabees who weren’t elite or anywhere close to being such. Yeah, I like looking “the part” when I’m out on a bike. Even then, I’m more than happy to stray from the Rules if it suits my fancy (see my response to @Frank‘s lament about Etixx-Quickstep having blue shorts in 2016). But I’m more than happy to ride with anyone who wants to ride and who wants to learn how to ride well (even if that isn’t fast). If they make “right” aesthetic choices, that’s a bonus but not an absolute requirement.

  8. @Terry

    @frank @Matt, et al….. Really, who cares what a cyclist wears as long as he/s is out there. The mindless obsession with cycling “fashion” is superfluous and irrelevant – just more marketing for runway wannabes. Passing motorists could care less; fellow cyclists could care less. If you crave attention, ride faster.

    I don’t care what other cyclists wear. I think it’s great any time someone gets on a bike; they can wear a pillowcase with holes cut in it for all I care. But I certainly enjoy kitting up, just for my own satisfaction. I feel good when my Mapei cap matches my jersey. It makes me happy. I didn’t buy that kit because it was marketed to me as making me a faster rider. I just like the old Mapei team and its kit design.

    Most of the discussion of “fashion” around here is taking the piss anyway.

  9. @Terry

    @frank @Matt, et al….. Really, who cares what a cyclist wears as long as he/s is out there. The mindless obsession with cycling “fashion” is superfluous and irrelevant – just more marketing for runway wannabes. Passing motorists could care less; fellow cyclists could care less. If you crave attention, ride faster.

    I can tell that you are one of those ‘types’ that ride around wearing a orange safety vest and have a mirror stuck to your eyeglasses.

  10. @Ron

    As a wise Dean once said, “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

    But it’s a hell of a way to go through college!

  11. @Teocalli

    Quite. In response to the “who cares” the answer is “we care”. I could not care less about the opinion of the passing driver as long as a) he sees me and b) he misses me. Mainly coz once one did neither………….

    Sometimes for (a) to happen, you have to make a choice between “aesthetically pleasing” and “being seen.” Hence, neon yellow is often part of my cycling attire if I know I’m going to out in conditions that lend themselves to being less seen than otherwise, e.g., this time of year for those of us in the northern hemisphere. And why even in daylight I turn on my really annoyingly bright Bontrager Flare R blinky light that can be seen from forever away. It’s actually so bright during the day that I had to turn it down to the night setting on one ride because my wife couldn’t stand it riding behind me.

  12. @chuckp

    Well I was not in a YJA but as one of my (non cycling) colleagues said after the incident (and after I had recovered) – holy f*&^ how could he not have seen you, you look like Joseph in the multi colour dream coat. It was quite few years ago now.

    I tend to eschew fluro but do try to avoid black – though my best rain jacket is black but only because I was given it as part of a corporate package from an event last year.

  13. @Teocalli

    @chuckp

    Well I was not in a YJA but as one of my (non cycling) colleagues said after the incident (and after I had recovered) – holy f*&^ how could he not have seen you, you look like Joseph in the multi colour dream coat. It was quite few years ago now.

    I tend to eschew fluro but do try to avoid black – though my best rain jacket is black but only because I was given it as part of a corporate package from an event last year.

    How’s this for flouro?

  14. @chuckp

    Sorry can’t see any floor there……..

  15. @Teocalli

    @chuckp

    Sorry can’t see any floor there……..

    Damn auto correct – “Can’t see any fluro there” obviously…….

  16. @Teocalli

    @Teocalli

    @chuckp

    Sorry can’t see any floor there……..

    Damn auto correct – “Can’t see any fluro there” obviously…….

    Blinded by the light, eh?

  17. @chuckp

    @Teocalli

    @chuckp

    Well I was not in a YJA but as one of my (non cycling) colleagues said after the incident (and after I had recovered) – holy f*&^ how could he not have seen you, you look like Joseph in the multi colour dream coat. It was quite few years ago now.

    I tend to eschew fluro but do try to avoid black – though my best rain jacket is black but only because I was given it as part of a corporate package from an event last year.

    How’s this for flouro?

    Well done indeed, and nice to see that she hasn’t spoiled her legs by riding a bike too much.

  18. chuckp – Allow me to clarify. I’m thrilled to see all types of folks out on bikes. I choose to not drive, so I ride a bike everywhere. I ride to work sometimes in a t-shirt and shorts with sneakers. Today I rode in full kit. I also am involved in a local cycling advocacy group. I live in one of the fastest growing areas in the U.S., so bike infrastructure is at the point where we better get it in place now, or it’s never.

    I don’t look down on anyone on a bike, though I do find it hard to not pass judgment on those who have a nice bike and let it get dirty and squeaky. But, that’s just because I grew up with an engineer/handy-man of all sorts father who taught me to properly care for your tools.

    My main point was that I personally care how I look and feel when on/off the bike. I take pride in that. And it would be nice if more people took pride in themselves. I really can’t believe how many people I see going around town in pajamas or sweat pants and then the folks in slippers! It’s pathetic.

    I spend a considerable amount of time trying to get new folks out cycling, as an alternative to using cars. I’m thrilled to see more and more cyclists. But, I won’t hear it that I shouldn’t care how I look. Looking good and feeling good are both things I like to do!

  19. @Ron

    chuckp – Allow me to clarify. I’m thrilled to see all types of folks out on bikes. I choose to not drive, so I ride a bike everywhere. I ride to work sometimes in a t-shirt and shorts with sneakers. Today I rode in full kit. I also am involved in a local cycling advocacy group. I live in one of the fastest growing areas in the U.S., so bike infrastructure is at the point where we better get it in place now, or it’s never.

    I don’t look down on anyone on a bike, though I do find it hard to not pass judgment on those who have a nice bike and let it get dirty and squeaky. But, that’s just because I grew up with an engineer/handy-man of all sorts father who taught me to properly care for your tools.

    My main point was that I personally care how I look and feel when on/off the bike. I take pride in that. And it would be nice if more people took pride in themselves. I really can’t believe how many people I see going around town in pajamas or sweat pants and then the folks in slippers! It’s pathetic.

    I spend a considerable amount of time trying to get new folks out cycling, as an alternative to using cars. I’m thrilled to see more and more cyclists. But, I won’t hear it that I shouldn’t care how I look. Looking good and feeling good are both things I like to do!

    I’m with you about wanting to look good on the bike. Ditto about bicycle care/maintenance. And like you, I marvel at people who don’t seem to care (or know) about either. But I try not to pass judgment on folks and try not to be all high and mighty/superior if they don’t ride/dress as I do. That was mostly my point. Not saying that you should not want to look good. You should! And looking good is in the eye of the beholder. I have a soft spot for what many of my Velominati brethren would consider ugly, e.g., I love the 90s Mapei kit and the Carrera faux denim cycling shorts. But I also love the classic stuff that we all revere. The riders I will pass judgment on, however, are the poseurs, i.e., those who spend a ton of $$$ on their bikes and kit but who just putz around (same true when I used to ride sportbikes) or just ride to the coffee shop. Not that they have to be racers or the fastest in the bunch, but they can’t be total wannabees or quitters.

  20. @Chipomarc

    ‘Legs spoiled by cycling’- that’s the comment you make to a cycling community? Not only sexist but lacking all logic, for surely cycling shaped legs would be appreciated.

    Hopefully you have good form on a bike sir, as you are lacking form in other areas.

  21. @frank

    @tessar

    @frank

    If the story of Goldilocks was based on you, it’d be all wrong. ‘Just Right’ in sock-length means it near-touches the calf muscle.

    Oh for fucks sake, what are you on about?

    Who are you, Brad Wiggins? Goldilocks means it comes just over the narrowest part of the ankle.

    Is this a 3 inch or 5 inch cuff? I can never tell…

  22. @Chipomark >>> …she hasn’t spoiled her legs by riding a bike too much. <<< Huh ?

    @girl >>> …surely cycling shaped legs would be appreciated. <<< For sure !

  23. @wilburrox

    @Chipomark >>> …she hasn’t spoiled her legs by riding a bike too much. <<< Huh ?

    @girl >>> …surely cycling shaped legs would be appreciated. <<< For sure !

    Yea, I guess I came off a bit like an asshole with that post.

    Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

    I’ll keep my future posts away from that kind of thing.

  24. Frank is but a dilettante punter. Now, this is a REAL punter:

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/watch-rider-celebrates-going-past-a-speed-camera-and-falls-off-202899

  25. @Chipomarc

    Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

    Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

  26. @pistard

    @Chipomarc

    Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

    Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

    Agree with you on that, but sadly the professional model world is more on the anorexic look.

  27. @pistard

    @Chipomarc

    Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

    Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

    You are not piling on, you make an excellent point.

    ‘Piling on’ would be addressing the reference to ‘Donald Trump and me.’

  28. @pistard

    @Chipomarc

    Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

    Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

    Sorry, what is this post about? I got distracted.

    I miss watching Vicky tear it up on the track, she was outstanding.

    But should have walked away with 3 golds at her last Olympics instead of 1…

  29. @girl

    @pistard

    @Chipomarc

    Just was meaning to say some guys like Donald Trump and me prefer thin model type legs when used in product promotion photos.

    Not to pile on, but Victoria Pendleton could model anything and I’d buy it (Stella McCartney designed the GB 2012 kit, FWIY):

    You are not piling on, you make an excellent point.

    ‘Piling on’ would be addressing the reference to ‘Donald Trump and me.’

    The legs on the cyclist mounting her bike in the lead photo of the “Study in Casually Deliberate: Starting” are none too shabby either……

  30. @Mikael Liddy

    @RobSandy

    @frank

    @Craigyboywonder

    Sounds like the company understands exactly how shit their product is.

    Saw them with a decent review in Cycling Weekly, and for £15 I thought they were worth a go. They were so full of holes halfway my first and only ride with them they let the water in anyway. I must admit I was in some doubt about whether they’d work, and am not astonished to find that the answer is that they, in fact, don’t.

    If they had lasted through that first ride, you likely would have cleaned them off on your return home, thereby removing the powdery residue that is key to keeping the latex from sticking to itself, and ensuring that if you tried to use them again it would take nearly 15 minutes to get half way near getting them on…or so I’ve heard.

    I know Apple catches some (well deserved) shit for their inbuilt obsolescence within iProducts, but to design a product as single use & then sell it at that price takes a fair bit of gall.

    The postscript to my Velotoze story is that I wrote an email to the shop stating my concern that the product was full of holes after one ride…so they are sending me another pair free of charge!

    Now I shall have 2 pairs of the fuckers. I’ll save one for TTing.

  31. There’s been a major twitter outing today, but the rider hasn’t been ID just yet

  32. @Chipomarc

    Its G himself, obvs.

  33. @frank

    @Chipomarc

    Its G himself, obvs.

    Actually, it’s not … according to G himself. G claims it’s Froomie.

  34. @chuckp

    @frank

    @Chipomarc

    Its G himself, obvs.

    Actually, it’s not … according to G himself. G claims it’s Froomie.

    My bad. I mis-read a Tweet.

  35. @chuckp

    @chuckp

    @frank

    @Chipomarc

    Its G himself, obvs.

    Actually, it’s not … according to G himself. G claims it’s Froomie.

    My bad. I mis-read a Tweet.

    I’d say it’s clearly not G-man. Why would he take the piss out of himself? As we know, GT is usually pretty damn Rules compliant. GT also has a bit more meat on the pins.

  36. @wiscot

    @chuckp

    @chuckp

    @frank

    @Chipomarc

    Its G himself, obvs.

    Actually, it’s not … according to G himself. G claims it’s Froomie.

    My bad. I mis-read a Tweet.

    I’d say it’s clearly not G-man. Why would he take the piss out of himself? As we know, GT is usually pretty damn Rules compliant. GT also has a bit more meat on the pins.

    It’s definitely not Froomie, as he prefers a Sidi shoe & there are nowhere near enough logos or differing closure options on those white ladies to fit that description. My guess would be a pair of Fiziks, which G has been known to wear…

  37. @Mikael Liddy

    Why would Thomas mock himself like that? And shoe sponsors come and go.

  38. @Oli

    Self deprecating humour? Whilst I’m no expert on emoji usage (or at least wouldn’t admit as much here), I believe the hear/see/speak no evil monkeys are generally used when one is a little ashamed of what’s going on…

  39. @Mikael Liddy

    @Oli

    Self deprecating humour? Whilst I’m no expert on emoji usage (or at least wouldn’t admit as much here), I believe the hear/see/speak no evil monkeys are generally used when one is a little ashamed of what’s going on…

    Yep, be G, with a whole barrel of monkeys linking arms

  40. @Mikael Liddy

    @Mikael Liddy

    @RobSandy

    @frank

    @Craigyboywonder

    Sounds like the company understands exactly how shit their product is.

    Saw them with a decent review in Cycling Weekly, and for £15 I thought they were worth a go. They were so full of holes halfway my first and only ride with them they let the water in anyway. I must admit I was in some doubt about whether they’d work, and am not astonished to find that the answer is that they, in fact, don’t.

    If they had lasted through that first ride, you likely would have cleaned them off on your return home, thereby removing the powdery residue that is key to keeping the latex from sticking to itself, and ensuring that if you tried to use them again it would take nearly 15 minutes to get half way near getting them on…or so I’ve heard.

    I know Apple catches some (well deserved) shit for their inbuilt obsolescence within iProducts, but to design a product as single use & then sell it at that price takes a fair bit of gall.

    Huh. That’s a bit strange.

    I’ve got a full season of shit Melbourne winter out of mine.

    A few points to consider. Yes, they’re latex. Yes, they can tear if you walk through gravel with them, or step on a stair edge or other such things. They could be considered fragile but certainly not “not fit for purpose”.

    I’ve said it many times on here; these are the only booties that I’ve ever used that actually keep my feet dry in anything from light rain to a full downpour. Full stop.

    Also, yes. The talcum powder that is on the inside of the booties does wash away when they get wet and they stick together like mofo’s afterwards. Simple solution: Buy talcum powder and apply to dry latex before you put them on again.

    But whatevs. don’t let your bad experiences keep you from having dry feet. Or something…

  41. @mouse

    yeah a mate of mine does the baby powder trick. For the number of days where they’re actually all that useful over here in Adelaide, it’s more faff than I can be bothered with, not to mention the swamp foot effect that tends to develop anywhere above about 10 degrees through your sweat not going anywhere.

    Can definitely understand why you’d want them in Melbourne though…

  42. @Mikael Liddy

    @Barracuda

    Ah, okay…good point.

  43. Although I’m not annoyed by having your socks exposed above your booties, I suspect this is the look @frank prefers.

  44. If I know Frank he’ll say that those shoe covers are way too baggy to be cred. Tighten up, yo.

  45. @Oli

    If I know Frank he’ll say that those shoe covers are way too baggy to be cred. Tighten up, yo.

    They are actually stretched out to fit over my shoes. Sugoi specs a size medium for my shoe size (43) so that’s what I got. I think the smalls would be too small (or run the risk of ripping).

  46. @chuckp

    @Oli

    If I know Frank he’ll say that those shoe covers are way too baggy to be cred. Tighten up, yo.

    They are actually stretched out to fit over my shoes. Sugoi specs a size medium for my shoe size (43) so that’s what I got. I think the smalls would be too small (or run the risk of ripping).

    Typo. My shoe size is 42. And that actually puts me on the cusp between small and medium. So I guess a size small would be a “tight” fit and medium is a “loose” fit. Still, they have to be stretched to fit. But I get your point that they are on the “baggy” side. They were a Christmas present from a friend, so I can’t complain too much.

  47. My review of Sugoi Zap shoe covers on PEZ. You’ll note no socks exposed above the top of the booties.

    http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/tech-n-spec/sugoi-zap-shoe-covers-review-2016/#.Vpuc_jZki_U

  48. @chuckp

    what exactly or who is PEZ ? Is it an individual ? that created the website ?

  49. @wilburrox

    @chuckp

    what exactly or who is PEZ ? Is it an individual ? that created the website ?

    PEZ Cycling News is the creation of Richard Pestes, aka the PEZ.

  50. @chuckp

    10-4, thanks, I’ve been following. The cycling community indeed has cool cats that create web sites. Cheers

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