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The Bike. It is the central tool in pursuit of our craft. A Velominatus meticulously maintains their bicycles and adorns them with the essential, yet minimal, accoutrement. The Rules specify the principles of good taste in configuration and setup of our machines, but within those principles lies almost infinite room for personal taste.

It seems in some ways like a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, the way we honor our machines. We love them to a point that lies well beyond obsession. Upon these machines upon we endure endless suffering, but also find an unending pleasure. The rhythm, the harmony between rider and machine, the outdoors, the wind in our faces and air in our lungs.

The Bikes is devoted entirely to our machines. Ours, The Keepers, and yours, the Community. It features articles devoted to our bikes, and proves a forum for uploading photos of your own machines for discussion. We will be harsh, but fair; this is a place to enforce and enhance our observation of The Rules.

If you’d like to submit an article about your own beloved bike, please feel free to send it to us and we’ll do our best to work with you to include it.

  • Rule #12 and the Cascade Effect That is a very reasonable opening salvo for the Rule about bike ownership. Three is good and certainly a minimum, and we are talking road bikes here, if there was any doubt. They naturally become ordered: the #1 is ichi-ban, top dog, go-to bike for every and all rides. #2 was the old #1, it ...
  • Guest Article: Black Is Not The New Black  @kogalover is singing my song here. Bikes are beautiful. ’nuff said. VLVV, Gianni With all those posts on riding in winter and being visible, either by putting Eyes of Sauron or other car melting devices on one’s steed, or by even considering a YJA instead of donning plain black kit, it was about time to finally get ...
  • Dialing in the Stable This was going to be an article about Rule #45. It is amazing how much time is wasted and matches burned when professionals stop for that second bike change to get back on their #1. With all the jigs available to team mechanics it would seem they could set up five bikes exactly the same. And ...
  • Matching the drapes to the rug As a longtime titanium bike owner, I’ve always been jealous of a beautiful painted frame but Ti and carbon frames don’t need paint like a steel frame needs paint. But I want some painted beauty. It’s like buying a white car; I can’t do white, need some color. So between a Ti frame and a ...
  • Festum Prophetae: Waiting for the Hour Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. – Mike Tyson The one thing everyone should always plan for is that however well-conceived a program might be, things will never go to plan. The high level plan for my Festum Prophetae Hour Ride was as follows: Have a custom Hour Bike built by Don Walker. Because reasons. Reasons like custom ...
  1. @bovary1031

    I was 7 years old when this was new

  2. @bovary1031

    @bovary1031

    I was 7 years old when this was new

    I hope you’ve aged as well as it has! That is a thing of beauty and no mistake.

  3. @bovary1031

    Fucking hell. Fantastic.

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  4. The bike is ready to hit the boards at the Geraint Thomas Velodrome…the rider may be.

    Weird to do so much preparation for a race that will take me ~20 seconds.

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  5. @RobSandy

    The bike is ready to hit the boards at the Geraint Thomas Velodrome…the rider may be.

    Weird to do so much preparation for a race that will take me ~20 seconds.

    And another try with the picture compressed…

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  6. @bovary1031

    Stunning. I keep thinking of Panto chainrings for mine but I rather like my Drillium,

  7. Nice. I’d love to be nearer to a track.

  8. @fignons barber

    @Cary

    @MangoDave

    On another note, RIP, Dario Pegoretti. Very sad. We’ll miss you!

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    terrible news. who among the old guard are left? Koichi Yamaguchi? Koshiaki Nagasawa? who else?

    Doriano DeRosa.

    True. I’m in no hurry, but eventually want to have another frame built. I’ve been looking into BIXXS and Jaegher (among a couple of others). I’ll be in Italy next year, I hope to stop by Doriano’s workshop.

  9. @wiscot

    @bovary1031

    @bovary1031

    I was 7 years old when this was new

    I hope you’ve aged as well as it has! That is a thing of beauty and no mistake.

    It has had a facelift courtesy of Aldo and Marco Gios.

  10. @bovary1031

    I’m seriously considering having them redo mine too. Be a good excuse to have to go to Turin to pick it back up as they apparently can’t ship them back out of Italy.

  11. @Teocalli

    @bovary1031

    I’m seriously considering having them redo mine too. Be a good excuse to have to go to Turin to pick it back up as they apparently can’t ship them back out of Italy.

    I believe that’s the result of the rights to the Gios name being owned by a Japanese company. The bikes from Italy are marketed as Original Gios Torino exclusively in Italy.

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  12. @bovary1031

    Yes that’s what they told me too.

  13. They say that there are Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. Statistically speaking the Triangular Wheel is an improvement on the Square Wheel as it eliminates one bump per revolution. However, as we know that does not take into account ride quality which dictates that the more bumps per revolution the smoother the ride until eventually with sufficient marginal gains you end up with a near round wheel. The point being that sometimes more really is better. Happen 3T have realised that and have joined the Round Wheel Club?

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  14. @Teocalli

    Well it was either a bit shit or Aqua Blue had already succumbed to the injuries inflicted by the 1x version

    3T has confirmed that this new 2x compatible frame will be used by the Aqua Blue Sport team in ‘select races’.

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  15. @chris

    @Teocalli

    Well it was either a bit shit or Aqua Blue had already succumbed to the injuries inflicted by the 1x version

    3T has confirmed that this new 2x compatible frame will be used by the Aqua Blue Sport team in ‘select races’.

    Modolo were all over radical thinking back in the 80’s

  16. I was riding my new (to me) TT bike on Sunday. Thought I’d share, keep some activity going.

  17. @davidlhill

    I was riding my new (to me) TT bike on Sunday. Thought I’d share, keep some activity going.

    Looking good!

  18. @davidlhill

    I was riding my new (to me) TT bike on Sunday. Thought I’d share, keep some activity going.

    Chapeau!

    I couple of years ago, I spoke to some guy who got a yellow jersey on TdF stage 20 in 2011 about his ride that day. He said he “enjoyed it!”

    Just an observation from first seeing pic, sitting way too forward.

    Please allow me to throw to you, (to keep some activity going) a pictorial analysis;

  19. I like the analysis!

    I don’t currently own an aero helment. Budget is stretched as it is – any suggestions under £100?

    The back pocket stuff. I can’t abide EPMS – do TT bikes get a pass to be more aero? I doubt it.

    I do have some Zipp 808 wheels that will be on it shortly.

    And in a few weeks I’m having a proper bike fit. Once that is done I’ll try to post a before and after shot. I have to say I did feel comfortable, though the steering was twitchy to say the least.

  20. Hi,

    Interesting analysis going on. For the sake of argument – because I’m 100% sure I’m far from being an expert on the subject – I remember the golden rule for TT racing to be sitting almost directly above the pedals and the rest is just a question of adapting the bike to get the ideal position for the rest of the body.

    I found a photo of Wiggins and tried to do the same lines, adding one with the position compared to the pedals. Let me know what you think of the comparison between the 3.

  21. @sthilzy, @davidlhill

    In the interest of keeping some activity going.

    How important is the difference in position over the front of the bike taking to account that the two riders may have very different levels of flexibility and upper body and arm length ratios? Judging by the difference in bar height I’d say Cuddles is clearly more flexible or that the trend for a super low TT position has passed (I have read that somewhere).

    A slightly lower bar position might help to drop the shoulders and pull them in a bit to reduce frontal area.

    I’d have thought the position of the body relative to the BB is more important. It’s hard to comment on saddle height with the cranks at 3pm and 9pm but if you draw a line from where the femoral head should be, both riders are in roughly the same position.

    Disclaimer, I’ve no experience of bike fitting other than my own and I haven’t draw any lines on my screen. I did hold a straight edge up to it though.

  22. @A.Hill

    You’ve beaten me to it!

    Looking at Cadel and Wiggo, Cadel never had a chance!

    @davidlhill

    Nice looking bike BTW. It’ll be interesting to see how much of a difference your fitting makes to your position.

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  23. There you go, cranks at 6 and 12.

    It looks to me that Cuddles is simply sitting up more. Wiggo and I’s (never thought I’d write those words together) arms are bent at 90 degrees, whereas his look more like 110.

    An yes, I did nothing to the bike other than move the saddle hieght to where it felt natural. So no fore and aft adjustment, the aero bars were untouched. The bike came with lots of spacers, so there is a lot of adjustment that can be done. I think I’m booked in in about three weeks time – I will post asap another picture of the revised position. See how different, or not, it’ll end up being.

  24. I think a lot of this relates to spine shape. Look at Cadel’s back and it’s an even curve whereas Wiggo has a distinct hinge then a straight back. David is similar to Wiggo. Net I’d suggest Wiggo and David will end up more forward in respect to the front wheel axle for a given set of bike frame parameters.

    Then there is the RAR factor – if anyone read my attempt at a humorous post with an underlying factual argument a month or two back……….

  25. There’s something about that top tube I can’t get along with and the colour wouldn’t be for me but Ridleys in general are lovely bikes.

  26. @davidlhill

    I’m messing with Rule #20 as using a large frame, I call it my “Meghan the Grand Fondue” steed to commute daily. It allows me to sit higher to check out traffic betterer. (It’s got a 205mm HT!)

    BTW who else gives their steeds names? I have Meghan “the” Trainor, as she is/was strapped to a indoor fixed trainer – now unleashed as my Grand Fondue steed.

    Scarlet – aka Black Widow racing steed.

    Moser for muscle, heavy ass Al frame, great geometry. Will become crit bike.

  27. @davidlhill

    Be interesting to see where fit ends you up! All the best!

  28. The trend in TT at the moment is to get the arms close to the chest and head, even it means bringing them up and to some extent back.

    If you look at front-on photos of the people winning the top TTs they aren’t scooping up air between the head, arms and hands. Everything is as close together as possible.

    The ideal is to do that in as low a position as possible, but if lower means more space then it’s better to be higher and closer.

  29. @sthilzy

    @davidlhill

    I was riding my new (to me) TT bike on Sunday. Thought I’d share, keep some activity going.

    Chapeau!

    I couple of years ago, I spoke to some guy who got a yellow jersey on TdF stage 20 in 2011 about his ride that day. He said he “enjoyed it!”

    Just an observation from first seeing pic, sitting way too forward.

    Please allow me to throw to you, (to keep some activity going) a pictorial analysis;

    @davidlhill

    FWIW, in those pics Cadel Evans is riding the fucking weirdest TT position I’ve ever seen.

    I’d use Wiggins as a model for position. But yours looks fine.

    Here’s mine!

  30. @robsandy

    what throws me is that Cadel Evan’s knees seem to be going inside the arms. It just looks all scrunched up to me.

    However, I’m loath to criticize because he’s Cadel Evans and I’m……… not!

    My fitting is the 13/10.

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  31. @davidlhill

    @robsandy

    what throws me is that Cadel Evan’s knees seem to be going inside the arms. It just looks all scrunched up to me.

    However, I’m loath to criticize because he’s Cadel Evans and I’m……… not!

    My fitting is the 13/10.

    Head to high, arms too low, it’s just fucked up. Don’t copy Cadel!

    Your fitting should give you a good place to start – but something simple you can do is practice hunching your shoulders and dropping your head down.

    What is throwing me about modern TT positions is that guys (and gals) seem to have their saddles pretty low. I was watching the Vuelta ITT and most people seemed to have their legs much more bent than I’d think normal at the extension of their pedal stroke.

    Anyone got any insight on the reasons for this?

  32. re aero helmets: As I need one I have been researching and seen these two:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06XCWDMLF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B018XXH8ZK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A16J4O44X54MX5&psc=1

    Does anyone have any views on these? Or indeed another suggestion at around £100?

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  33. @RobSandy

    What is throwing me about modern TT positions is that guys (and gals) seem to have their saddles pretty low. I was watching the Vuelta ITT and most people seemed to have their legs much more bent than I’d think normal at the extension of their pedal stroke.

    Anyone got any insight on the reasons for this?

    That does seem counter productive as it also means the hip angle will be more closed at the top of the stroke. For most people (amateurs) it will be hard to produce maximum power with a very closed hip angle. I’d surmise that if they are lowering their saddle to get more aero it’s more than offset by loss of power in closing their hip angle.

    But what do I know.

  34. @davidlhill

    re aero helmets: As I need one I have been researching and seen these two:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06XCWDMLF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B018XXH8ZK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A16J4O44X54MX5&psc=1

    Does anyone have any views on these? Or indeed another suggestion at around £100?

    No experience with them, but please share your experience if you go for one.

    Caveat emptor etc. etc., and I’m sure you’re a smart guy, but make sure there’s relevant safety stickers inside (CE and such) – probably fine, but the Amazon listings look potentially a bit sketchy.

  35. @RobSandy

    @davidlhill

    @robsandy

    what throws me is that Cadel Evan’s knees seem to be going inside the arms. It just looks all scrunched up to me.

    However, I’m loath to criticize because he’s Cadel Evans and I’m……… not!

    My fitting is the 13/10.

    Head to high, arms too low, it’s just fucked up. Don’t copy Cadel!

    Your fitting should give you a good place to start – but something simple you can do is practice hunching your shoulders and dropping your head down.

    What is throwing me about modern TT positions is that guys (and gals) seem to have their saddles pretty low. I was watching the Vuelta ITT and most people seemed to have their legs much more bent than I’d think normal at the extension of their pedal stroke.

    Anyone got any insight on the reasons for this?

    Saddle further forward?

  36. In the 80s I had a classic Cinelli aero helmet – a la Hinault. No vents, hot and sweaty – but stylish! No safety validation/testing cert anywhere in sight.

  37. @wiscot

    In the 80s no safety validation/testing cert anywhere in sight.

    I fixed your post!

  38. @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    In the 80s no safety validation/testing cert anywhere in sight.

    I fixed your post!

    I think it was this helmet I had. https://photos.grahamwatson.com/Print-Gallery/Badger/i-62d7qTf

  39. Lowe

    @Teocalli

    @RobSandy

    What is throwing me about modern TT positions is that guys (and gals) seem to have their saddles pretty low. I was watching the Vuelta ITT and most people seemed to have their legs much more bent than I’d think normal at the extension of their pedal stroke.

    Anyone got any insight on the reasons for this?

    That does seem counter productive as it also means the hip angle will be more closed at the top of the stroke. For most people (amateurs) it will be hard to produce maximum power with a very closed hip angle. I’d surmise that if they are lowering their saddle to get more aero it’s more than offset by loss of power in closing their hip angle.

    But what do I know.

    Sometimes longer cranks change the regular fit and create issues for the hip angle at the top of the stroke. This is straight guess work though, might explain the lower saddles.

  40. @minion

    Though as I understand it the Pros are going more for shorter cranks to open up the hip angle but otherwise you are correct re longer cranks.

  41. @davidlhill

    @robsandy

    what throws me is that Cadel Evan’s knees seem to be going inside the arms. It just looks all scrunched up to me.

    However, I’m loath to criticize because he’s Cadel Evans and I’m……… not!

    My fitting is the 13/10.

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    How did this go? Any update?

  42. @Teocalli

    @davidlhill

    @robsandy

    what throws me is that Cadel Evan’s knees seem to be going inside the arms. It just looks all scrunched up to me.

    However, I’m loath to criticize because he’s Cadel Evans and I’m……… not!

    My fitting is the 13/10.

    1

    How did this go? Any update?

    @davidlhill

    Can I add something? There is some talk (it was in Cycling Weekly) that CTT will add a distinct road bike category to time trials in the UK.

    I’d be really keen for this – messing about with aerobars is quite irritating especially when I don’t have a TT bike, and it’s impossible to be sure the position you’ve achieved is efficient without access to a wind tunnel.

    It’d simplify TTing a lot for me.

  43. @Teocalli

    @davidlhill

    @robsandy

    what throws me is that Cadel Evan’s knees seem to be going inside the arms. It just looks all scrunched up to me.

    However, I’m loath to criticize because he’s Cadel Evans and I’m……… not!

    My fitting is the 13/10.

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    How did this go? Any update?

    My fitting is 13/10!!

  44. @davidlhill

    @Teocalli

    @davidlhill

    @robsandy

    what throws me is that Cadel Evan’s knees seem to be going inside the arms. It just looks all scrunched up to me.

    However, I’m loath to criticize because he’s Cadel Evans and I’m……… not!

    My fitting is the 13/10.

    1

    How did this go? Any update?

    My fitting is 13/10!!

    @Teocalli doesn’t know what date it is

  45. @RobSandy

    @davidlhill

    @Teocalli

    @davidlhill

    @robsandy

    what throws me is that Cadel Evan’s knees seem to be going inside the arms. It just looks all scrunched up to me.

    However, I’m loath to criticize because he’s Cadel Evans and I’m……… not!

    My fitting is the 13/10.

    1

    How did this go? Any update?

    My fitting is 13/10!!

    @Teocalli doesn’t know what date it is

    What month is it?………..

    PS When is Christmas this year?

  46. @davidlhill

    @

    My fitting is 13/10!!

    For reasons utterly boring I had to postpose my fitting. I know, I know – a crushing disappointment. However, it is erely postponed, not cancelled.

    Looks like OnTheRIvet.net will get the ‘after’ pics!

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