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The Bike. It is the central tool in pursuit of our craft. A Velominatus meticulously maintains their bicycles and adorns them with the essential, yet minimal, accoutrement. The Rules specify the principles of good taste in configuration and setup of our machines, but within those principles lies almost infinite room for personal taste.

It seems in some ways like a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, the way we honor our machines. We love them to a point that lies well beyond obsession. Upon these machines upon we endure endless suffering, but also find an unending pleasure. The rhythm, the harmony between rider and machine, the outdoors, the wind in our faces and air in our lungs.

The Bikes is devoted entirely to our machines. Ours, The Keepers, and yours, the Community. It features articles devoted to our bikes, and proves a forum for uploading photos of your own machines for discussion. We will be harsh, but fair; this is a place to enforce and enhance our observation of The Rules.

If you’d like to submit an article about your own beloved bike, please feel free to send it to us and we’ll do our best to work with you to include it.

  • Rule #12 and the Cascade Effect That is a very reasonable opening salvo for the Rule about bike ownership. Three is good and certainly a minimum, and we are talking road bikes here, if there was any doubt. They naturally become ordered: the #1 is ichi-ban, top dog, go-to bike for every and all rides. #2 was the old #1, it ...
  • Guest Article: Black Is Not The New Black  @kogalover is singing my song here. Bikes are beautiful. ’nuff said. VLVV, Gianni With all those posts on riding in winter and being visible, either by putting Eyes of Sauron or other car melting devices on one’s steed, or by even considering a YJA instead of donning plain black kit, it was about time to finally get ...
  • Dialing in the Stable This was going to be an article about Rule #45. It is amazing how much time is wasted and matches burned when professionals stop for that second bike change to get back on their #1. With all the jigs available to team mechanics it would seem they could set up five bikes exactly the same. And ...
  • Matching the drapes to the rug As a longtime titanium bike owner, I’ve always been jealous of a beautiful painted frame but Ti and carbon frames don’t need paint like a steel frame needs paint. But I want some painted beauty. It’s like buying a white car; I can’t do white, need some color. So between a Ti frame and a ...
  • Festum Prophetae: Waiting for the Hour Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. – Mike Tyson The one thing everyone should always plan for is that however well-conceived a program might be, things will never go to plan. The high level plan for my Festum Prophetae Hour Ride was as follows: Have a custom Hour Bike built by Don Walker. Because reasons. Reasons like custom ...
  1. @ChrisO

    My conjecture was theoretical. I’ll also add wear. A chain has considerably more contact points, so I also suspect wear would be greater with that rig. Having said that cassette wear is mostly down to chain “stretch” in that if you replace your chain regularly a cassette will last quite a long time.

  2. I also can’t quite work out how it works in syncing to change gear. Logic seems to say it can’t be perfectly aligned at every point around the cassette as the number of sprockets increases. So I can’t get my brain around the slot pattern on the cassette.

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  3. @Teocalli

    I also can’t quite work out how it works in syncing to change gear. Logic seems to say it can’t be perfectly aligned at every point around the cassette as the number of sprockets increases. So I can’t get my brain around the slot pattern on the cassette.

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    Easy answer to that one – it doesn’t.

    If you read the blurb they admit they have no idea how to make it change gear, they are hoping someone else can engineer that.

  4. @KogaLover

    Hi there KL; long time no see (and hello to all you other fine ladies(?) and gents who are keeping the V-torch lit). I couldn’t resist posting a piccie of my latest purchase – a bike I almost literally ‘stumbled over’ the last time I was in the Netherlands. A 1982 specimen (the same vintage as your Road Speed, I think) and in remarkably good nick (read: mint condition). For the record: the image below is from the 1982 catalogue: the actual bike is still in NL – will be picking it up around September 1st.

    On a general note: does anyone know whether it is still possible to post (new) articles on Velominati? And if so, to whom and/or how should such an article be submitted? (When I first laid eyes on the real-life version of the bike shown above, I felt inspired to do a “Reverence”-style article on the subject of the Shimano AX product line. Almost regardless of how well that stuff sold at the time – and even, perhaps, of how well/badly it actually worked – I consider it almost mind-blowing that the Shimano engineers were working on aerodynamics for bicycles (now on everyone’s mind, it would seem) in the early nineteen-frigging-eighties…

  5. @ChrisO

    @Teocalli

    @KogaLover

    Wait until this cheese grater eats up your guns when you crash…
    https://www.ceramicspeed.com/en/driven/

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    I’ve seen that a few times and I can’t make up my mind as to how it will react to wear and crud from riding in the wet. My instinct says badly to both.

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    Well since they haven’t actually made one that works yet I think those considerations are quite some way down the line.

    Those shots of people riding it are not real.

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    We just did a big Trek show at the museum I work at. We had 38 bikes from 1976 onwards. A few of the newer bikes had belt drives. I asked they guys at Trek if they thought that one day the chain would be replaced by something better. They said no, it was 93% efficient (which apparently in engineering/efficiency land is pretty damn good) and would be the transmission of choice. Now as for disc brakes, they’re all about them for sure. Start stockpiling your calipers now!

  6. Sweet! Very nice find.

    As for new articles, I doubt it. All the Keepers are gone (Gianni was my contact for submitting mine) and Frank has been here once in the last year. I have a few ready to go, but won’t be writing more as there’s no point. It’s just a few diehards keeping the flame lit.

    Good to see you back though!

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  7. @wiscot

    There is a slim possibility that I have some kind of access to the website/wordpress. Frank gave me some sort of permissions years ago to help out with approving posts.

    Ill have to take a look. In addition my brother is a web designer/wordpress, ill get him to take a look at it and see what can be done in terms of posting articles or gaining some semblance of control over the sight.

    Sorry just popped in to see what was going on, been a bit absent. Emigration to Oz happening on 11th November and hopefully I can get back on my N1 (its been stranded over there for over a year)!

  8. @RobSandy

    @Teocalli

    I also can’t quite work out how it works in syncing to change gear. Logic seems to say it can’t be perfectly aligned at every point around the cassette as the number of sprockets increases. So I can’t get my brain around the slot pattern on the cassette.

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    Easy answer to that one – it doesn’t.

    If you read the blurb they admit they have no idea how to make it change gear, they are hoping someone else can engineer that.

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    Phew – I can stop loosing sleep!

  9. @ErikdR

    Anxious to see a photo or six of yours when you get it. September 1st must seem like a long time from now!

    As far as articles, I still think you and wiscot could publish them right here as a post. Sure, you won’t get the fame and fortune of a featured author, but the rest of us would enjoy them. It could stimulate some good discussion around here, too.

  10. @ErikdR

    @KogaLover

    Hi there KL; long time no see (and hello to all you other fine ladies(?) and gents who are keeping the V-torch lit). I couldn’t resist posting a piccie of my latest purchase – a bike I almost literally ‘stumbled over’ the last time I was in the Netherlands. A 1982 specimen (the same vintage as your Road Speed, I think) and in remarkably good nick (read: mint condition). For the record: the image below is from the 1982 catalogue: the actual bike is still in NL – will be picking it up around September 1st.

    On a general note: does anyone know whether it is still possible to post (new) articles on Velominati? And if so, to whom and/or how should such an article be submitted? (When I first laid eyes on the real-life version of the bike shown above, I felt inspired to do a “Reverence”-style article on the subject of the Shimano AX product line. Almost regardless of how well that stuff sold at the time – and even, perhaps, of how well/badly it actually worked – I consider it almost mind-blowing that the Shimano engineers were working on aerodynamics for bicycles (now on everyone’s mind, it would seem) in the early nineteen-frigging-eighties…

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    Welcome back @ErikdR and that’s a noooiiiice bike. I was back in NLs couple of weeks ago, and managed only one nice ride around the Gooi and Vechtstreek. But the good news is that I also brought my VMW’s Koga and now my oldest son has started to join me on (short but increasingly longer) rides. Guess what shirt he’s wearing… He wears it with orange soccer shorts, so the colour matches, yet I have been trying to get him bibs but to no avail yet. He knows how to wear sunglasses properly though! The rest will come in time.

    Now back to biz: my Koga Roadspeed also has some original Shimano 600 AX stuff: the gundecks were Dynamic Drive (I replaced them for SPD SL’s and for that purpose I had to go an find an adapter to fit the smaller thread), and the axles/hubs are also 600 AX. Rest is 600 EX/Arabesque. The hubs had light blue plastic rings at the end to protect the ballbearings from dust/sand etc. But back in the days, grease was dark coloured so now these rings have lost their heavenly colours as well. Tell me whether yours are still clean. Besides that, the only thing I also would like to replace are the hoods; they crumbled and I now have non-authentic replacements.

    While writing this post, I googled for the 600 AX hubs and all pics on the web I saw, have the colour disfiguration caused by the grease, pity.

  11. By the way, did you know these pedals actually have specific cleats? Only found out after I changed the decks.

    And: I also threw away the original bidon. Hope your still has the aero bidon to go with it!

  12. @Deakus
    “There is a slim possibility that I have some kind of access to the website/wordpress. Frank gave me some sort of permissions years ago to help out with approving posts.”

    And now you’re telling us… This has now highest priority for you.

  13. @KogaLover

    @Deakus
    “There is a slim possibility that I have some kind of access to the website/wordpress. Frank gave me some sort of permissions years ago to help out with approving posts.”

    And now you’re telling us… This has now highest priority for you.

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    I do too, but I don’t think it gives me any ability to post articles. I can write them and upload them til the cows come home but I think only Frank has the ability to push the button and put it online.

  14. @ErikdR

    Can I suggest that if you have something to write, you cut and paste it into a comments box – as far as I can tell there is no word limit in the boxes.

    It wouldn’t be an ‘article’ per se, but it’d be on the website and at least all us remainers would get to read it.

  15. @wiscot

    Sweet! Very nice find.

    As for new articles, I doubt it. All the Keepers are gone (Gianni was my contact for submitting mine) and Frank has been here once in the last year. I have a few ready to go, but won’t be writing more as there’s no point. It’s just a few diehards keeping the flame lit.

    Good to see you back though!

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    Hi @Wiscot. Thanks, and thanks. And yes: Gianni was also my ‘go-to person’ at the time. So far, I haven’t really been writing anything down re the Shimano AX group-san(s) – but once I do, I may take the advice posted by @MangoDave and @RobSandy and simply publish what’s on my mind as a regular comment.

    I was interested to read that you have a few articles of your own already lined up. Care to lift the veil – just a tiny fraction – as to the subject(s)?

  16. @MangoDave

    @ErikdR

    Anxious to see a photo or six of yours when you get it. September 1st must seem like a long time from now!

    As far as articles, I still think you and wiscot could publish them right here as a post. Sure, you won’t get the fame and fortune of a featured author, but the rest of us would enjoy them. It could stimulate some good discussion around here, too.

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    Cheers. By the time I bring it home in all its 63 cm high glory, I’ll try to take 5-6 good pictures of it and will make sure to post them.

    The silvery-blue hoods on the aero brake levers are missing, but to my surprise I managed to find a couple of levers – including hoods – on Ebay earlier today, at a fairly reasonable price. The aerodynamic bidon (and the special cage that it fits into) are missing as well – but I have a feeling that there’s one of those floating around somewhere. Will keep you all posted.

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  17. @KogaLover

    I just checked: I still have an old Road Speed SL frame in the shed with an AX bidon cage – but no bidon, so I’ll be searching the interwebs for one of those soon. There are also AX brake calipers on that particular frame, which is nice to know, in case I need some spare parts for the brakes on the ‘new’ Aerolux bike.

    I’ve been reading some horror stories about the dyna-drive pedals (particularly on how the bearings may start wearing out quickly) but we’ll have to see how it goes. I certainly intend to ride the new steed – but not necessarily over large distances (and if I ever decide to enter an event like Eroica for vintage bikes, I’ll probably us my 1982 Road Speed).

    Great pictures of those AX parts, by the way!

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  18. @KogaLover

    By the way, did you know these pedals actually have specific cleats? Only found out after I changed the decks.

    And: I also threw away the original bidon. Hope your still has the aero bidon to go with it!

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    Sexiest. Brake. Levers. Ever.

  19. @wiscot

    I’ll raise you some Gruppo Drillium…….

  20. @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    I’ll raise you some Gruppo Drillium…….

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    Shimano wins because they have more holes. More = better!

  21. @wiscot

    Always worth remembering when you are hauling on the levers to slow down in a hurry……………….

  22. @wiscot

    @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    I’ll raise you some Gruppo Drillium…….

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    Shimano wins because they have more holes. More = better!

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    are you bonkers?! Campag wins because theirs are champhered [spelling?]. More care = better!

  23. @davidlhill

    @wiscot

    @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    I’ll raise you some Gruppo Drillium…….

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    Shimano wins because they have more holes. More = better!

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    are you bonkers?! Campag wins because theirs are champhered [spelling?]. More care = better!

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    +1

  24. From today’s ride. Wearing my Kodak Ektar team jersey from the early 90s (yes, I’m that old!) … it still fits!

  25. @chuckp

    From today’s ride. Wearing my Kodak Ektar team jersey from the early 90s (yes, I’m that old!) … it still fits!

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    Nice! The early 90’s wasn’t that long ago, though. Oh, wait…

    Socks are a little conservative for you today.

  26. @davidlhill

    @wiscot

    @Teocalli

    @wiscot

    I’ll raise you some Gruppo Drillium…….

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    Shimano wins because they have more holes. More = better!

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    are you bonkers?! Campag wins because theirs are champhered [spelling?]. More care = better!

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    I might be forced to agree with you seeing as the levers are attached to a Gios Torino bike!

  27. @MangoDave

    Nice! The early 90’s wasn’t that long ago, though. Oh, wait…

    Yeahhhh, hate to break it to you but my VMH and I were born in the early ’90s and we are expecting a Future Pedalwan (read “baby”) in the next 2 weeks. I’m afraid it was that long ago…

    If it helps, here’s a photo of yours truly on his first bike, circa 1996 (ish?):

  28. @mulebeatsdrums

    @MangoDave

    Nice! The early 90’s wasn’t that long ago, though. Oh, wait…

    Yeahhhh, hate to break it to you but my VMH and I were born in the early ’90s and we are expecting a Future Pedalwan (read “baby”) in the next 2 weeks. I’m afraid it was that long ago…

    If it helps, here’s a photo of yours truly on his first bike, circa 1996 (ish?):

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    Early 90s? I think I have about 30 years on you! (The year I was born Jacques Anquetil won his fourth Tour . . . )

    Best wishes for the upcoming family addition.

  29. @MangoDave

    Nice! The early 90’s wasn’t that long ago, though. Oh, wait…

    Socks are a little conservative for you today.

    I’m pretty sure this jersey is from the ’93 season (maybe ’92).

    Every once in a while I change my sock game up and wear something that’s a little more understated.
  30. @wiscot

    @mulebeatsdrums

    @MangoDave

    Nice! The early 90’s wasn’t that long ago, though. Oh, wait…

    Yeahhhh, hate to break it to you but my VMH and I were born in the early ’90s and we are expecting a Future Pedalwan (read “baby”) in the next 2 weeks. I’m afraid it was that long ago…

    If it helps, here’s a photo of yours truly on his first bike, circa 1996 (ish?):

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    Early 90s? I think I have about 30 years on you! (The year I was born Jacques Anquetil won his fourth Tour . . . )

    Best wishes for the upcoming family addition.

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    27 by my reckoning. LeMond won his third Tour just before I entered the scene. Sorry!

    And thank you very much. I’ll get the kid on two wheels ASAP and post some photos!

  31. @mulebeatsdrums

    @wiscot

    @mulebeatsdrums

    @MangoDave

    Nice! The early 90’s wasn’t that long ago, though. Oh, wait…

    Yeahhhh, hate to break it to you but my VMH and I were born in the early ’90s and we are expecting a Future Pedalwan (read “baby”) in the next 2 weeks. I’m afraid it was that long ago…

    If it helps, here’s a photo of yours truly on his first bike, circa 1996 (ish?):

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    Early 90s? I think I have about 30 years on you! (The year I was born Jacques Anquetil won his fourth Tour . . . )

    Best wishes for the upcoming family addition.

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    27 by my reckoning. LeMond won his third Tour just before I entered the scene. Sorry!

    And thank you very much. I’ll get the kid on two wheels ASAP and post some photos!

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    @wiscot

    @mulebeatsdrums

    @MangoDave

    Nice! The early 90’s wasn’t that long ago, though. Oh, wait…

    Yeahhhh, hate to break it to you but my VMH and I were born in the early ’90s and we are expecting a Future Pedalwan (read “baby”) in the next 2 weeks. I’m afraid it was that long ago…

    If it helps, here’s a photo of yours truly on his first bike, circa 1996 (ish?):

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    Early 90s? I think I have about 30 years on you! (The year I was born Jacques Anquetil won his fourth Tour . . . )

    Best wishes for the upcoming family addition.

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    Indeed, very best of wishes.

    On the other front I’m keeping very quiet.

  32. Sent my bike off to Carbon Bike Repairs here in the UK. Even though the damage was only to the top surface I’m really pleased with the result. Before and after below.

    Before repair

    After

  33. @Teocalli

    Sent my bike off to Carbon Bike Repairs here in the UK. Even though the damage was only to the top surface I’m really pleased with the result. Before and after below.

    Before repair

    After

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    Impressive result! And BTW, that’s a nifty wee trick with the front derailleur cable. Where did you learn that one?

  34. @wiscot

    Good spot! I couldn’t find my black ones – of course having hunted for 30 mins and only come up with a red one in small size 5 mins after I put it on I found the rest! I was musing how to keep the tail out of the way as on Gruppo they have a habit of catching the pedal and came up with it when rebuilding the bike yesterday. Kinda triggered by building up new Group San bikes this week with their new FD that has a clip on the top to keep the cable tail tidy. Be interesting to see how quickly Gruppo comes up with something similar.

    Had a trial day as a Wrench in my LBS a couple of weeks ago and had my first official day as a part time Wrench last week. Sooo much more fun than IT & Telecomms! A couple of days a week will fit in nicely with my retirement. So far been building new bikes from Kids Frog Bikes to Spesh and Trek MTB and Road bikes. Loads to learn.

  35. @Teocalli

    Just realised the son’s bike has a loose cable. Fixed it.

  36. @wiscot

    @Teocalli

    Impressive result! And BTW, that’s a nifty wee trick with the front derailleur cable. Where did you learn that one?

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    I’m not quite sure what you’re looking at, I can’t make it out with my (semi-old) eyes.

  37. @mulebeatsdrums

    @MangoDave

    Nice! The early 90’s wasn’t that long ago, though. Oh, wait…

    Yeahhhh, hate to break it to you but my VMH and I were born in the early ’90s and we are expecting a Future Pedalwan (read “baby”) in the next 2 weeks. I’m afraid it was that long ago…

    If it helps, here’s a photo of yours truly on his first bike, circa 1996 (ish?):

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    Cool! I was doing a lot of racing in the mid 90’s, my heyday of riding really strong. Mostly NORBA cross country, with lots of road training rides. I don’t really have pics of me on road bikes, but several of me goofing off with mountain bikes. Here’s one I happen to have on the computer, me jumping a sidewalk (~15 feet wide) – circa 1990.

  38. On another note, RIP, Dario Pegoretti. Very sad. We’ll miss you!

  39. @MangoDave

    On another note, RIP, Dario Pegoretti. Very sad. We’ll miss you!

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    Indeed. Very sad.

  40. @MangoDave

    @wiscot

    @Teocalli

    Impressive result! And BTW, that’s a nifty wee trick with the front derailleur cable. Where did you learn that one?

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    I’m not quite sure what you’re looking at, I can’t make it out with my (semi-old) eyes.

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    This help?

  41. Don’t overnighted the zip tie though! Using the plastic outer tube helps – note that with a through frame routing if you use the plastic tube run through a suitable grommet you can reduce the amount of crap that finds it’s way into the BB as that hole in the frame is in the direct line of all the crap thrown round by the back wheel.

  42. Blooming auto spell “over tighten” of course………..

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  43. @Teocalli

    Clevers.

    I recabled my alloy Felt and on the first fettling ride outdoors I noticed a clicking noise when riding in the little ring.

    After ten minutes of panic I realised it was the crank hitting the FD cable end. Tidying it like that never occurred to me!

  44. @MangoDave

    On another note, RIP, Dario Pegoretti. Very sad. We’ll miss you!

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    terrible news. who among the old guard are left? Koichi Yamaguchi? Koshiaki Nagasawa? who else?

  45. A snap of my bike after doing some general refurbishments. Went basic black on everything I changed, so housings and bar tape – but kept the red ferrules (not sure they show up in this photo).

    Neither the saddle or wheels came with the bike but I was just struck by how good a colour match they are.

    52/36 crankset and connoisseur’s 10 speed cassette choice for varied terrain – 12-27.

    Oh and yes, I do have my bike in the office with me.

  46. @Cary

    @MangoDave

    On another note, RIP, Dario Pegoretti. Very sad. We’ll miss you!

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    terrible news. who among the old guard are left? Koichi Yamaguchi? Koshiaki Nagasawa? who else?

    Doriano DeRosa.

  47. https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/day-one-thought-not-good-idea-adam-blythe-slams-one-bike-demise-aqua-blue-sport-392905

    Adam Blythe agrees with me – single chainring drive trains for road bikes is a really stupid idea.

  48. @RobSandy

    https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/day-one-thought-not-good-idea-adam-blythe-slams-one-bike-demise-aqua-blue-sport-392905

    Adam Blythe agrees with me – single chainring drive trains for road bikes is a really stupid idea.

    The only idea that would have been worse, would have been unicycles. I’m sure their fellow riders looked at them with pity for having to ride that shit. I mean, we all know the pros always big-ring it, but that extra, smaller ring is handy sometimes.

  49. @wiscot

    @RobSandy

    https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/day-one-thought-not-good-idea-adam-blythe-slams-one-bike-demise-aqua-blue-sport-392905

    Adam Blythe agrees with me – single chainring drive trains for road bikes is a really stupid idea.

    The only idea that would have been worse, would have been unicycles. I’m sure their fellow riders looked at them with pity for having to ride that shit. I mean, we all know the pros always big-ring it, but that extra, smaller ring is handy sometimes.

    Notwithstanding the chain-dropping issues…

    Oh, and also but more importantly, they look shit. The V-sapping power of the cassette alone must have cost them a few race wins.

  50. I’d also imagine it ht two ways – basically in having fewer ears even though you have the range you don’t have enough “right” gears so sometimes they would be overspilling and sometimes over grinding. While that may not be a problem for us mortals the %age impact in the pro pellet would be a disaster. The opposite of marginal gains.

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