Velominati Super Prestige: Tour de Suisse

Velominati Super Prestige: Tour de Suisse

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The inaugural Velominati Super Prestige makes an unscheduled stop this week at the Tour de Suisse.  Originally left off the VSP roster, it was decided among the Keepers that the ‘fourth Grand Tour’ is indeed worthy of inclusion in our humble tipping competition. As one of the final hit-outs for many Tour de France contenders, the Swiss race shows who might be ready to step up in July, who’s needing to pull their finger out, and who might be targeting this race as a worthy addition to their palmares.  With a couple of  TT’s, stages that could go to the sprinters or a daring breakaway, and some of the most picturesque mountain passes in Europe, it has something for everyone, and anyone could win.

Can Motorcus find an ‘extra gear’ and back up his 09 victory?  Will the EgoTesticle show signs of his old self on the bike, or just behave like his old self off it?  And are the Brothers Grimpeur finally going to do something, anything?

Let us know your thoughts, and make your picks to pick up a sweet Obey The Rules bumper sticker, in the posts section on this page.  For a full rundown on the competition scoring etc, visit our VSP Schedule, Rules and Results page.

Good luck!

// Velominati Super Prestige

  1. Burghardt might get his second win here

  2. @Guy
    Couple things:

    We went to an Etape evening at the Rapha Cycle Club in London last night..

    I cannot believe you get to go to the Rapha Cycling club. As a devout Rouleur fan, Rapha is kind of Zues to me.

    Looks like the hardest climb is the first (Col de Marie Blanque) so get over that and you’re ok.

    Having ridden in the region quite a bit, Marie Blanque is very steep, but not long. The second climb, the Soulor you will feel, and the Tourmalet is brutishly long but not that steep. The notion that “you’re ok” after the first climb and with two big ones to come is a tad optimistic, I’m afraid.

    When we did L’Etape in ’03, there were 8000 starters and 3000 finishers. Brutal. And taht’s just another stage for the boys doing the Tour. They’ll have done it the day before and they’ll do it again the next day.

  3. Time for a new German breakaway specialist?

  4. @frank It’s a very nice place indeed.and I walked out with their new ltd edition Tourmalet jersey which was nice.

    I’m well aware that the other 2 aren’t a walk in the park, but the 5 doing the talk have all ridden the last 5 etapes so have some basis. What they were getting at was that the toughest climb is the first, so mentally you know you can do the other two if you feed and drink well. I’m a useless climber so if I go there expecting to get beaten I may as well stay home. I’m trying to be a little positive.

    @Andy. I know that some people think Rapha is pretentious but the people running it just love cycling and their attention to detail is amazing. The club is a great place, albeit only open for 3 months. Those questions weren’t mine by the way!

  5. @Guy

    I’m a useless climber so if I go there expecting to get beaten I may as well stay home. I’m trying to be a little positive.

    HA! That is brilliant. Good tactic. Stay positive. Well done.

    Man, I’m jealous – such a cool experience!

    In ’03, looking at the profile, we thought it was 80km downhill to the finish from the top of the last pass; turned out it was 50km of riding over undulating farm roads, with another 1km of vertical covered on steep climbs. Started to rain at the end, and as we entered the town, those steep climbs turned into cobbled climbs. Epic.

  6. @frank
    Damn, I didn’t realize until now I made the Lexicon. I am humbled. I never understood “Spartacus” anyway.

    In the word(s) of Wakko Warner: http://rafiki100.tripod.com/faboo.wav

  7. 3. What’s should my heart rate be on a climb?

    That’s easy: (220 – (Your Age) – (Rear Cog)) * (1 + % gradient)

    (220 – 32 – 27) * (1.10) = 177 BPM for a 10% gradient. SOLVED!

  8. @guy: the Etape, how do you get around to doing one and qualifying?

    or better yet, being from the USA and having to go through the difficulty of travel, which event would you recommend for a travel/destination. I know its off topic, but something I have considered doing.

    thanks!

  9. @frank. It’s the only way I’ll finish ;)

    @Ben do you think I’ll be able to calculate that on the Tourmalet :D

    @souleur. Most of the places go to French riders. My folks have a place out there so we had an address to use but the friend Im riding it with runs a Trek dealership. He emailed the MD of Trek UK to see if he had any contacts and the next thing we knew he’d got us places, a hotel, free Trek kit and access to the Trek Travel feed zones (that could be a huge benefit on the day as we can avoid the bedlam in the public ones). We fly out on the 14th (I’m shooting a wedding in Paris on the 10th so its a busier weekend than I’d like). We meet up with the Trek lads in Lourdes on the 17th and stay together that night, then ride and back to the hotel on the 18th, flying home on the 20th.

    in the UK you can only enter through a company like Sporting Tours otherwise. Quite costly. I hear the Italian Gran Fondos can be easier to get into.

  10. @Souleur, @Guy
    You can only get the entry form in the French Velo magazine, I think. It used to be you could get it online and enter, which is what we did. But it’s a mess now, unfortunately.

    There are other cool Cyclosportives in Europe and I can’t encourage you strongly enough to do one, it is a life’s memory. I did LBL one year, and there is one for Flanders, too. I’m sure there are more.

    The Keepers are doing a week in Belgium next year around the cobbled classics – so you could always join us there, too!

  11. That would be awesome.

  12. @frank @guy
    I sued to love the idea of Rapha and I still really like what Rouleur do, but…I starting to struggle to understand them. I’ve always wondered how they could possibly exist in the UK, there just didn’t seem to be the market for them to be able to promote themselves as they do and rumours out there would suggest that they really need to get their boutique shops and sales in America working well and quickly.

    @frank
    the keepers are going to be in Belgium next spring? Might have to make the journey there as well.

  13. @Jarvis. If yesterday was any indication there are a lot of people buying. It was very busy at the tills.

  14. @frank
    @frank – your handy lines are only relative to the camera angle – compare them to the road markings – both riders are veering almost equally – that said I still think Cav more to blame….also question whether his wheel folded before impact?

  15. crikey, Kim Kirchen had a suspected heart attack last night. Currently in hospital in zurich, but stable

  16. That’s pretty scary: I hope he’s okay. Is it too callous for me to make a change?

    1. Fabian Cancellara
    2. Robert Gesink
    3. Roman Kreuziger
    4. Christian Vande Velde
    5. Kim Kirchen””replace with Jakob Bugle song

  17. @frank: oh buddy, that is freakin incredible!
    That is a dream come true!! Not only to ride the cobbles but to be on the Muur and slapping their arse up the mother!!! My buddies would die at home to see that

    Keep me posted, seriously, i need time to set my calendar and procure the funds/time from my wife etc….
    whats the best way to stay posted??

  18. Man, am I fucking gutted today or what.

    Shot a wedding yesterday and was setting a shot up outside, walked backwards to get the angle I wanted and my left foot went into a hidden drain cover causing me to fall with it trapped in there and twist horribly. It’s swollen up big time now and badly bruised.

    Fuck.

  19. We’re going to start needing a Sickbay/Bench on here, for all those with injuries.

  20. @Guy Been following your immanent Etape and this really is a drag. If it happened in the bedroom I’d say harden up but at work, just the worst. Ice her up stay off as much as possible and remember it may not behave badly on the bike – hope it is not that bad and you have time – this is not the worst because sometime time off the bike is ok and makes you rested and strong when you start up. Just have to let go the planned training and relax in the knowledge that it will be fine – good luck!

  21. Cheers gents. Spoke to a mate of mine who’s a physio and he’s advised 3 days off the bike with RICE as much as possible. It does seem very unlikely that it’ll impact the Etape ride, and I did manage to save the camera and still shoot the wedding.

    So, Rule #5 as applied to photography.

  22. @Guy
    Hang in there. I had a bad sprain this past spring. On crutches for almost two weeks before I started limping everywhere. I found, however, that once the swelling had gone down, I could pedal. Bumps were a little sore for awhile, but you can get on the bike. Yes: RICE and stay off it and you should be okay. Good luck!

  23. I’m walking on it ok this morning, not much pain at all, just some swelling.

  24. Congrats Frank. Armstrong down 12 sec to F Schleck. *^$^%$!!!

  25. @results
    Arse

  26. @all
    WFT?? The Keepers are out for a day suffering like Sweet Baby Jesus on the Cross, and I come back and my boy won the race?? No idea what happened; I’ll have to sync up and then I’ll get the VSP results out later today.

    I can’t believe Pharmdog got second and did Gesink fall off his bike?

  27. @frank says, “No idea what happened.” Perhaps F. Schleck went to the Alberto Contador school on time-trailing for wafer thin, wimpy little guys with no muscle whatsoever.

  28. @david
    More like Guns of Navarone.

  29. @all
    Christ. I have to upgrade my VSP tracking software. This was epic, we showed some newcomers (Andy) and others coming in and staring to close down the gap to Rob.

    Rob managed to maintain his lead in the overall VSP, while newcomer Velominatus Andy won the Obey the Rules bumper sticker. Good work, mate!

    1 Frank: 10 points
    2 Andy: 7 points
    3 Brett: 2 points
    4 Marko: 2 points
    5 Rob: 2 points
    6 Marcus: 2 points
    7 John: 1 point
    8 Geof: 1 point
    9 Robert Marques: 1 point
    10 Steampunk: 1 point
    11 David: 1 point
    12 Nathan Edwards: 0 points
    13 Jarvis: 0 points
    14 Joe: 0 points
    15 Souleur: 0 points
    16 Ben: 0 points
    17 Crossy: 0 points
    18 Dale: 0 points

  30. I bow down to you Frank you are so way out front! The pressure continues and now that Pharmstrong is looking like his old self the tour picks are just going to be that much more difficult…

    Andy, well done, enjoy the bumper sticker it gets a good reaction.

  31. @all

    The overall standings have been published; it is confirmed that Rob is still overall leader and Andy should be expecting his sticker soon.

    Well done everyone – see you all back here in July! It’s going to be a beyhatch to figure the wins there.

  32. now if I’d only remembered to put a few quid on Schleck senior…

    I can’t wait for the Tour to start, i’ve got my Flanders and Basque flags out in anticipation!

  33. @andy
    Nice picks for Switzerland! I’ll be withholding my TdF picks until I’ve seen yours…

  34. Hey is anybody double checking Franks scores? I am going to my bookie with his picks for the TdF.

  35. Rob :Andy, well done, enjoy the bumper sticker it gets a good reaction.

    Best reaction I’ve had to mine so far: “Are you a cop?” (“Piss off – I’m a Rule Holist” didn’t seem like a helpful answer, so I just said “Er, no”.)

  36. Well, I was crap!

  37. On another topic. Not sure if any of you lot caught up with this TdF Fantasy game last year http://sbs.com.au/tdf/fantasy

    I have set up a mini-league, happy for all and sundry to join.

    Go to the game http://sbs.com.au/tdf/fantasy ,pick your team then use the ‘mini-league admin’ option to join my mini-league.

    The details you need are:
    League Name: Super Domestique
    League password: jens01

    It doesn’t cost anything – plus there are some great prizes to win!

  38. Wait, you’re going to spend some amount of your time constructing a fantasy team for the TdF? And, you’re going to invest yourself, psychologically, in this “team” scoring point for you? Are you unemployed, on the dole? If you are, you should be ridding 6-8 hours per day and should not concern yourself with such nonsense. Jesus Christ. Harden the fuck up.

  39. @david
    cool

  40. @Rob

    Hey is anybody double checking Franks scores?

    You guys totally SHOULD double-check my scores. I did my best, but who knows. Plus, Marko was over and Marko, my Velomihottie, and I were undergoing a bout of savage drinking at the time, so anything is possible.

  41. @frank Its not about your math, no matter how drunk you were – its about where you are getting your info and if you have an inside track to team politics and the deals being cut in the peloton? Your score is so far out front that we have to question your sources… I mean your wasting the likes of Brett, John, Geof and they are students of the pro game. You have led the results by wide margins in 4 out of 6 races and in the other 2 you have not been last. I’m just saying….

    I think there should be an inquiry and a grand jury convened to make sure this Competition is not rigged!! Mind I am not complaining I still have the awesome world champ jersey by the skin of my teeth and the fact that you are not subject to our plebian level.

    On another subject do we get a report (and images) on the gathering of the inner circle of the Velominati?

  42. @Rob
    Naming both Frankie-boy and Gaysink in the top five in their respective places was blind luck. I pretty much just voted with my heart and tempered it with a light (very light) touch of reality which is the only reason I didn’t put those two lads in 1-2.

    We have a full account of the madness coming shortly; including pictures and video. Stand by.

    My goodness, does John ever have a magnificent stroke. You trained him well.

  43. Rob :@frank I think there should be an inquiry and a grand jury convened to make sure this Competition is not rigged!!

    Clairvoyantical doping?

  44. @Geof
    No point investigating: Frank’s already paid the UCI off.

  45. @Steampunk
    It was just a donation. Pat has the receipt. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along …

  46. @Geof
    True enough. Besides: he’s never tested positive. Now, only if he had a bitter and ostracized former friend…

  47. @Steampunk
    “I was once required to deliver a ouja board to Frank”.
    “Frank showed me how to conduct a micro-sceances and autologous spirit transfusions.”
    “I had to look after Frank’s tarot cards while he was on holiday.”
    Now that WOULD be a story…

  48. frank :@Rob

    We have a full account of the madness coming shortly; including pictures and video. Stand by.
    My goodness, does John ever have a magnificent stroke. You trained him well.

    Can’t wait and I can take no credit for johns wicked stroke he is all self trained. In fact with his awesome physique it is a fucking miracle that he looks as brilliant on a bike as he does! I’d give credit to Velominati and the rules but he was the man who wrote Rule #5 and I think he became awesome when he moved up from the champagne Peugeot to the Merlin… and that was years ago. I think he is on something else now?

  49. I just got Velonews’ Tour de France Official Guide. I’m so bewildered by the TdF VSP picks, I was looking for some help. Paid freakin’ nine bucks for it. I can’t find anything good in it that I have not gotten by reading Velonews or Cyclingnews daily, except for an article on Wiggins. It’s got interview extracts I have not seen yet. Waste.

    Wiggins, though, is really talking smack. In fact, I nominate him for Pre-Tour COTHO.

    “Looking back now, Wiggins believes he could have even challenged for the victory in 2009. . . . “I felt at the time I could have gone with Contador when he attacked at Andorra. But I was like, ‘No, no, no. Don’t be stupid.’ . . . . ‘The first two weeks, . . . I never pushed it, even when I was really good at the Tour. I just stayed on the safe side of caution. I stayed on the defensive.”

    Hmm. But in the third week, when you could have attacked the old man to get on the podium, you were what???

    Wiggins: “Well, it was just for third place at that point. Third, fourth, what’s the difference.”

    No, I just made that up.

    Actual quote.

    “I think JV [Jonathan Vaughters] really understood why I had to leave,” Wiggins said. “There were certain things that he couldn’t do for me. There were certain things he wanted me to do that I was never going to be willing to do.”

    The prediction about the TdF I’m most confident in is that Wiggins and Sky are going to crash and burn.

  50. @david
    Don’t always agree with someone who regards Rule Holism as “the dark side”, but I just can’t get on the Twiggo train. Ever since he bailed from JV after JV had seemingly rescued him from what was rapidly turning into another “failed to make the transition from the track” story. I don’t blame him for wanting to follow the money. But it’s poor form to follow it prematurely.

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