The Rides
The Ride. It is the cathedral of our sport, where we worship at the altar of the Man with the Hammer. It is the end to our means. Indeed, The Bike may be the central tool to our sport, but to turn the pedals is to experience the sensation of freedom, of flight. It is all for The Ride.
The world is overflowing with small, twisty roads that capture our collective imagination as cyclists. We spend our lifetimes searching out the best routes and rides; we pore over maps, we share with our fellow disciples, we talk to non-cycling locals all in pursuit of the Perfect Ride.
The Rides is devoted entirely to the best routes and rides around the world. Some are races or cyclosportives, others feature in the Classics and stages of The Great Races, while others still are little-known gems, discovered through careful meditation on The V. Be warned: these rides are not your average Sunday Afternoon spin; these rides are the best and most difficult rides in the word – they represent the rites of passage into La Vie Velominatus. It is to be taken for granted that these rides require loads of Rule #5, many of them Rule #10, and all of them are best enjoyed in Rule #9 conditions. They have been shared by you, the community. The Rides also features articles devoted to the greatest rides and providess a forum for sharing other rides for discussion.
If you’d like to submit a ride or an article about your own favorite ride, please feel free to send it to us and we’ll do our best to work with you to include it.
[rideitem status=”public” title=”Haleakala” distance=”56km” category=”Grimpeur” url=”http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/50412514″ location=”Paia, Maui, Hawaii, USA”]
Haleakala is simultaneously the longest paved continuous climb in the world as well as the shortest ascent from sea level to 10,000 feet in the world. Though not terribly steep, this is a long, grinding climb that will reduce a strong rider to a whimpering lump.
To put the effort in perspective, this climb is 60km long a an average of 6% with two pitches as steep as 17%. That translates to somewhere between 3 or more hours of nonstop climbing, usually in Maui’s direct heat and often into a whipping headwind that spins around into a headwind no matter which direction the switchbacks take you.
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[rideitem statuc=public title=”Liege-Bastogne-Liege” distance=”265″ category=”Rouleur” url=”http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/58053308/” location=”Liege, Belgium”]
Liege-Bastogne-Liege is not only La Doyenne, the oldest of the Classics, but also represents perhaps the most demanding course in cycling. The 280 km, 3000m vertical route starts with an easy ride out from Liege to Bastogne which lulls riders into a false sense of security; the hills are frequent, but none of them terribly demanding. Into Bastogne, and the story changes on the way back to Liege with 9 categorized climbs in the second half, including the fearsome Côte de la Redoute and the Côte de Saint-Nicolas.
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[rideitem status=public title=”Paris-Roubaix” category=”Hardman” distance=”265″ url=”http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/58052610/” location=”Compiégne, France” guideurl=”http://www.cyclingpave.cc/” guide=”Pavé Cycling Classics”]
L’enfur du Nord. The Hell of The North. The Queen of the Classics. This isn’t a ride over the stones from your local brick-paved roads. You think climbs are what make a ride tough? We’ve got news for you: this is the hardest ride on the planet and it boasts a maximum elevation of 55 meters. These are vicious, brutal stones; the kind that will stretch each kilometer to their full length, the kind of stones that you will feel long after the rattling of the bars has stopped. These stones will change you. Forever.
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[rideitem status=public title=”Mortirolo/Gavia Loop” category=”Grimpeur” distance=”115km” url=”http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/59027020/” location=”Bormio, Italy” contributor=”Joe”]
The Mortirolo is perhaps the most feared pass in Western Europe, and the Gavia the most storied. Given their proximity to each other, its a wonder why this isn’t the most talked-about ride in Italy. Maybe it is; its impossible to say without being Italian. The loop nature of this ride makes it feasible as a solo escapade, but any ride with the kind of stats this one bears – 3200 meters ascended in 115 kilometers including the viscously steep Mortirolo – is best enjoyed with a riding partner or support car.
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[rideitem status=public title=”200 on 100″ category=”Grimpeur” distance=”330km” url=”http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/58052808/” location=”Vernon, VT” contributor=”cdelinks” contributorurl=”http://cyclowhat.com”]
“Dumptruck of Awesome” has become the catch-phrase associated with this brutally hard, yet strikingly beautiful 330 kilometer (200 mile) ride down Vermont Route 100. This ride was made popular during the summer of 2011 when Ted King, Tim Johnson, and a local amateur cyclist, Ryan Kelly, documented this ride on film. The ride starts on the Canadian border and finishes on the Massachusetts border. With over 2500 meters of climbing on this 330 kilometer ride, you will need to pack a few lunches to get through this one. Do this ride in the Fall, and the foliage might be beautiful enough to distract you from the horrible pain you will most certainly suffer.
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[rideitem status=”public” title=”De Ronde Van West Portlandia” distance=”76km” category=”Grimpeur” url=”http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/15276210″ location=”Portland, Oregon, USA”]
A ride that officially “never happens” each spring, this 76 km route charts a course through Portland’s West Hills, paying homage to the European Spring Classics. Approximately 1,800 meters of paved and unpaved climbs are spread throughout the course, with several sections reaching grades of over 20%. More information can be found at Ronde PDX.
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[rideitem status=public title=”Seattle Master Urban Ride” category=”Rouleur” distance=”130km” url=http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/57732282 location=”Seattle, Washington, USA”]
This is perhaps the most challenging urban route in Seattle, hitting three of the big hills that define Seattle’s topography. The route starts and ends on Phinney Ridge, but hits the climbs of Interlaken and Alder Street/Lake Dell Drive on its way to Mercer Island, before coming back to hit Queen Anne and Magnolia, weaving its way up each of these hills as many times as possible via the steepest route available before the finale to the north via Golden Gardens, Blue Ridge Drive, and Carkeek Park. Panoramic views of the Cascades, Mount Rainier, Mount Baker, The Olympic Penninsula and Puget Sound makes this a standout Urban ride.
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@Mikael Liddy
The trick with Ridge Rd is not to stop in Mylor. It hurts more if you cool down.
So I have a story…
There was a particular bit of the route I wasn’t too sure about (Whitewood), so I found some guy with a Garmin 800 with a map and followed him. We get to Mylor and still haven’t climbed up Whitewood. I’m riding the 4 whores with some other guys and going how I’m not looking forward to climbing Whitewood, and they say they have all climbed it. Hmm..
So we climb up to Upper Sturt Rd, and I double back to Whitewood, go down it and back up it. I didn’t need that!
Later on I’m riding Sheoak. I get over the horrible part, and I’m about 2/3s along when I get attacked by a Magpie, in one of those slow points. I’m yelling at it and sprinting and hit a bump, followed by an uphill only to find I can’t shift gears.
So I pull over to take a look. I’m on Di2, and I find I can shift on the chainring, but I’m stuck in the 15 tooth. I poke at the wires but I can’t find anything loose, so I ride the rest of Sheoak in my 34×14. That sucked.
(It turned out that a cable had pulled out of the port at the brake lever. Easy to fix once I found it)
I shared this on FB but here it is again. I have only had the opertunity to ride a very small section of the AZT and I loved every part of it. Every year some nut jobs meet at the Mexican border to begin a massive race. Either 300 or 750 miles.
2014 Arizona Trail Race from Aaron Johnson on Vimeo.
Yesterdays ride. I’ll put together a ride report and the results of the fund raising but everything hurts too much at the moment.
http://www.strava.com/activities/191566883#kudos
@The Grande Fondue yup, we pulled up for a water refill in Mylor, only to find Wattsy & Reidy had their refreshment station at the top of Ridge.
Whitewood was pretty nasty, don’t think that part of the course was all that well understood, cos we got asked if we knew where we were headed about 15 times while we were stopped at a mates car topping up on sugar.
@Chris
chapeau!
For no other reason than its about beers and bikes and would be a long ride from SA
http://www.bentspokebrewing.com.au/
@Barracuda
They are at the end of May. http://www.usacycling.org/2014/pro-road-time-trial-nationals I’ve see the race from a couple perspectives, the first year from a Shimano Neutral Support car. This past year as a volunteer working the busiest corner on the downtown circuit. (so intense I was scared to get my camera out and photograph it). Next year I plan on employing a CX bike, and watching from multiple points, with the climb as primary.
I don’t have children to sell, but am not beyond bribery and old fashion debauchery…..
@Chris
Nice work!
So here’s a look at the initial wall of the final climb last weekend, based on the riders filtering back towards the camera, I think the white jersey giving it all kinds of V & VV is yours truly…
40 percent off Castelli Free Aero Race Bib Shorts
It would seem The Climbing Cyclist is a man of impeccable taste based on the lead photo he chose for the write up from the Dirty Dozen a couple of weeks back.
http://theclimbingcyclist.com/the-2014-adelaide-dirty-dozen/
I never got round to writing up L’eroica Britannia so here’s the beer
and here’s the film
Suffice it to say that the VMW had a great time too with vintage stalls of all sorts to wander around in the show ground, vintage bike jumble for the cyclists and a great ride. Though I did demand a refund as the course was 3 miles short of the advertised 100 Imperial. The Butler was great – though I have had to replace the steerer as the 40 year old thread gave out one one piece of offroad descent more suitable to a mtb. Still finished but the following high speed descent with a loose steerer was a bit iffy. The best bit is that both of us are looking forward to entries opening for next year.
High points were Breakfast – after 10 miles there was a massive fry up breakfast of Bacon Butties, lunch was simply vast and there were 5 other food stops with not a gel nor energy bar in sight. Last stop before the finish was Pimms in the grounds of Chatsworth House having ridden up the private drive by special permission. Massive array of fabulous bikes but I hope the guy I saw finish on a modern Genesis with GroupSan 105 was thoroughly ashamed.
Some of the Strade Bianche equivalent would have been more suited to a mtb such as this stretch…
All in all a great weekend. Highly recommended.
@Mikael Liddy
The soundtrack to this video was obviously deleted by the pure amount of VV going on
Taking on 126mi ride this Saturday — 3 weeks out from plans for 206mi ride October 18. 18 is the key, being my target average max. for both rides. 7 hours ride time (7.5hrs total), then 11.44 hours ride time (not to exceed 12hrs total). Already have nothing but my thoughts of the road ahead.
Making these Crispy Rice Omelette squares for Saturday’s effort.
@unversio maybe it’s because I’m a sucker for bacon, but I’d go for these.
Go kill it, and let us know how it went.
@DeKerr Good. That’s what I needed — the perfect rice.
@DeKerr We did good (only 2 of us) on recon ride but 126 became 86 miles. Good temperature and pace but needed to get a rider back with good senses still intact. We did get this big reward for riding new territory!
A couple of days ago I got out for a ride which was just a joy. In performance terms it was nothing to write about but just a beautiful day out on the bike.
We’ve been travelling around Europe for the best part of 4 months, and while the car has done some 10k the bike would be lucky to have done 1k. While the fitness has dropped off I have managed some playing in the London traffic, the end of the La Planche des Belles Filles the day after the Tour, a couple of club rides in Holland, the Koppenburg and various cobbles around Oudenaarde, Plateau de Beille and now I’m in Umbria just riding around the area we’re staying.
Pozzo and Gualdo Cattaneo seem to have no claim to cycling fame but there are numerous quiet roads with vistas of hill top towns, olive groves, sunflowers and vineyards. Many of those quiet roads being as rough as buggery and grades of 15%.
So I headed out not knowing where I was going, just a plan to turn the pedals over till it was time to come home and repeat.
A couple of days before we had been to Todi, and I’d driven up the climb to the town and as you do thought this would be a ridiculous ride, so it wasn’t on the agenda.
So as I see the signpost to Todi I think well it was a pretty nice drive in that direction so I’ll go that way but I’m not doing that climb.
Down the descent the view of the green heart of Italy, with villas and farmhouses, fresh geen fields and turned earth where enough to keep the attention. Also the road was so rough I had to stop 2/3rds of the way down to tighten the lockring on the cassette which had been shaken loose. Rougher than the cobbles at Oudenaarde.
Could then see Todi in the mid distance so I’d just ride to the base and turn around, it was a lovely day and too soon to head home.
The final stretch to the Todi gates goes virtually straight and too much traffic for zig/zag, there is no shoulder to speak of and according to Strava the Salita del Cimiterio Vecchio stage is 1.1k, avg 15% and tops out at 20%.
Once I got that far the little man said I’ve got some time to spare, it doesn’t matter if I don’t do it all.
Lies, of course it matters.
So I used the granny gear, I stopped, I started, I stopped, sad to say I walked but I finished it. (For those who use that orange tool it put me in top 25 – of 27),
Then finished in the very beautiful square, Piazza del Popolo, at the Cathedral and had a moment to light a candle for a very dear old friend who had died the day before back home.
Then the descent and ride back home. So I’m getting there slowly, pedalling squares but all I can think is this is the most beautiful ride I have ever done.
Winding through the fields on a cloudless day, the spread of the countryside and just me and the bike (I think the Bottecchia enjoyed the Italian sun) there was never a thought other than what a beautiful ride it was and what a blessing it was to be there (and to have a wife who understood the value of me disappearing).
On the final stage, the bidon just at the last splash, I made a village of about 6 houses, 3 flowerboxes and a water stand. As I said a blessed ride.
L’eroica Britannia dates just announced…..
Espresso somewhat from a jersey pocket. I dunno.
The VMH and I went out exploring on an old section of brick road near my house. It was originally laid down in 1911 and once went from Seattle to Boston. Now it’s just a remnant, but the closest thing to pave within easy riding distance, aside from the cobbled secteurs on the Seattle Cogal this spring.
There is a magic about old roads that I can’t seem to find in the smooth pavement of their newer brethren. Does anyone else have a favorite out-of-the way treasure?
It’s a full moon tonight. I’m going riding. Just waiting for the commuter traffic to settle down.
Lunar eclipse actually, should be a lovely night out.
Fuck yeah – exactly a year after the Apocalyptic London Cogal I had another crack at Box Hill today.
Took a minute and five seconds off my PB – now 6:14. Frustratingly just outside the top 500 on Strava, which is not bad given there are 30,000 attempts.
12 seconds behind Joanna Rowsell – should have emptied my water bottles.
@markpa nice…
A little something to keep those of us north of the equator warm through the coming #9 conditions
http://rouleur.cc/journal/racing/tour-de-france-2015-route-presentation-photo-gallery
Thank goodness for this weekend. A double-booking meaning that I will join a good group at 8am until 12 — and then host another group from 3:30 to 6 — ending at a pub. And 3ttt Ergo Power MEX bend bars arrived.
@markpa
Great story!
Went out today with an annoyingly fit geezer, 30 yrs younger than me. He made me work every millimetre, the bastard. But, and but, at 11 am we were going through a little town in Kent, called Eynsford, near to Biggin Hill. For those that know, Biggin Hill was a centre for fighter planes during WW2, particularly the Hurricane and Spitfire. As we rolled into town, the roads were closed and there was a Remembrance Ceremony going on. Now I don’t hold too much with the glorification of war that can sometimes happen, but this was really sweet. I happen to know the local churchyard has a few markers for local men who died in Iraq and Afghanistan (wars I disagree with), but they died and families were affected. We stopped, took off our helmets and waited. After the usual religious bollocks everyone stopped and started looking up. A Spitfire and (I think) a hurricane flew past- they all clapped.
It was all quite touching, a local community doing their bit to remember. Of course, I got colder and colder, and then got a puncture as we rolled off, and to cap it all I stupidly decided to come back along the Thames, next to the main sewage works for S. London. It was horrid.
On the bright side, we eventually got back to civilisation, and enjoyed a couple of pints. These were proper English pints, not the half-arsed yank pints which are crap and served in tiny little yank glasses. My legs are still sore, my bike is now clean and I’ve had a good day.
@ChrisO
I went and did a chunk of that route today down by the Downs. Ironically we went wrong after the photo stop by the sign for Cocking. We should have taken the right fork not the left one. Cock.
@Teocalli
Aah, happy days. It did go wrong at the sign for Cocking but did we not also go wrong earlier on Sandy Lane/Hound House Road when we lost Simon and your Garmin?
We should do it again sometime – we just need another rainy day.
OK so Day 1 over. I was really shitting myself going into it, so I’m really relieved I got through OK.
A really big group – at least 120 riders, maybe more. And some bloody good teams. Sky Dive Dubai, a Continental team with a big budget and several grand tour podium winners. A Dutch U23 team called Baby Dump… really. Plus the usual crop of national teams and North African pros.
It was a very windy day but I did OK in the first few laps. Locked up the wheels a few times though – everyone was very nervous and crosswinds on a road-circuit crit are not a good combination.
In fact I was doing OK generally, staying with the main bunch, not easily, but sustainably – I thought I would be OK, until just after the 4th lap my calves started to seize up from the constant accelerations. The first 90 mins had been an average speed of 43.6km/h and NP of 285 so it was pretty tasty. I just had to ease back and keep a steady pace to try to keep a total seizure at bay. I managed to hold it off for the final two laps (about 16km each) so hopefully I should recover OK for tomorrow – we’ll see.
We have a proper soigneur from Garmin-Sharp who immediately gave me recovery drinks and will be doing our massages tonight ! He’s also preparing the in-race food as well – I’m surprised how much he gave us. Half a banana, two slices of apple, a couple of cookies, some dried apricots and a gel.
Now I have to eat well tonight and recover. It was an afternoon start today and a morning start tomorrow so not a lot of time.
Here’s me before the stage, trying to think pro.
@Chris
Ah yes there was that too (or two) and then a third one……..
Time flies.
It’s been quite a while since I visited so, I’m not sure if this has been posted elsewhere. It could have been placed in a number of different sections. Enjoy!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/in-photos-riding-along-at-a-103/article21791915/
@ChrisO
Nice helmet…
@Chris that it – “nice helmet”??! @ChrisO is going to the wall in a bitchin stage race in a far flung corner of the old empire and ALL you have is nice helmet… Jeez, what are you jealous, mad he copied your name with a clever twist or you really like the helmet? (This all said with tounngue lodged in cheeky cheek.)
@ChrisO pro it is and good work on the finish in the first stage. Go well for the rest of it with calmness and composure when you can, i.e. be selfish and only work when absolutely necessary. Then ride with the heart of a lion for the tricky bits, no getting droped – good luck. Looking forward very much to the next installment!
@Rob
Hopefully @ChrisO will have appreciated that.
If not, strong work, it sounds tough. Have a great day today.
@ChrisO, good luck for the rest of the race, I expect to see some razor sharp tan lines on the last photo…. (arms please, no knobbly knee pictures)
Ha well actually it IS a nice helmet – not that I’m a connoisseur of course – but it’s the new Giro Synthe. Team issue (I.e. Free) . Very good fit, nice and light and pretty cool.
So, stage two done. First hour was one of the easiest I’ve had at Sharjah. Sky Dive Dubai controlled the bunch and we had a lovely tailwind. After about 90 mins though we turned into a heavy crosswind. I survived the first few scares but eventually peeled off the back.
At least this year I’m far from the first to be shelled. I finished 88th out of 142 yesterday and I’d expect to be the same or a bit higher today. Alexander Plyushkin is leading – he finished 21st in the World TT championship on the same time as Alex Dowsett. these guys just ride away whenever they want.
We’re in a different hotel so I only have my phone or I would post some photos. Tomorrow.
Basically today’s stage in reverse but if the wind is the same it will be horrific. There’s a long climb early in the stage which should break things up. If the drill it I’ll go out the back, but if they keep it easy (for them) I might stay on… Who am I kidding?
@ChrisO Eeek, that’s 3W over my FTP! Sounds like one hell of a race. I also agree, that Synthe is pretty snazzy – miles better than the Air Attack you wore for the TTT, and it’s very close to it in terms of aerodynamics.
Which national teams are racing? The Ukrainian and Russian U23 squads decided return to the Tour Arad this year, as did the new Sagan Cycling Academy team – which means I’m in for a world of hurt come January.
@ChrisO yep rate the Synthe as well, best thing was going from large size (also Giro) to medium for this model, feels real quick especially without the cap, although I am loving Giro’s new caps they rock.
Another box ticked in my pro-cycling career – mid stage abandon and climb into the car.
Towards the first big climb we were hit by some of the worst crosswinds I’ve ever been out in. Really huge gusts that pushed us sideways. The fight for the gutter was just that. Literally punches and shoving as riders battled to keep their place And not let anyone in.
Our team leader Jamie needed to be near the front as we anticipated attacks. After a couple of attempts there was only one way up – push it down the outside, all the way to the front.
I got Jamie on my wheel and ground my way to the pointy end. The SkyDive boys weren’t going to let us in so I just had to sit there And take the wind.
In the process I’m also towing along Mancebo and Pliushkin, who clearly didn’t get where they have without being able to recognise a doomed idiot when they see one.
As we hit the climb attacks started as expected but I was done – the bunch shot past, I held on for a while but the elastic snapped. Had it been a short punchy climb I might have stayed on but it was the first slope of a 10km drag and they were drilling it.
With 120 windy Kms still to go I went another hour hoping to pick up a group but having seen a few people go by holding onto cars while the commissaires warned us for drafting I eventually had to pack it in and DNF.
So that’s it. Khallas. I’m not coming back.
I’m not someone who needs a goal to ride for, as in an event or race, or feels the need to test myself. I enjoy it for the feeling of doing well and for the intrinsic beauty and enjoyment.
It’s been fun but when the main aim of the day is to get as far as possible before inevitably being shelled… Well it doesn’t motivate me so much. Time to be more realistic about my goals I think.
@ChrisO Strong work,mate. Sounds like you got the done for the team leader at the expense of your own ambitions. Was the effort repaid, did Jamie finish well?
I’ll look forward to seeing your strava files for the last few days.
@Chris
Yes, well my ambitions were to survive, and the frustrating thing is that if I’d sat in I know I would still be lining up tomorrow.
Apparently after the climb it all calmed down and everyone finished within about 10 mins of the leaders. C’est la vie.
Afterwards Jamie said I could have rolled off as he’d managed to get into the line but it was so windy I couldn’t hear anything.
He stayed up the front, and finished in the front group – up to 14th on GC. Although as it turns out the group didn’t split on the climb as we had thought, and made it over pretty much intact, so he would have been OK but you never know.
Anyway that’s that. I’ve come home – could have stayed and helped but it’s a bit depressing being around a bike race when you’re not in it. Too many replays going on in your head.
Up to my shelling (for the power geeks) I did about 12 minutes at 330 watts and an average speed of 25km/h.
@ChrisO
Really? Those numbers correct? If so that’s one hellish crosswind.
Shame about the outcome for you. Sounds like a huge effort and a noble sacrifice. So are you re-evaluating your race program or quitting the team all together?
@ChrisO
Oh my, and there was me whinging about a ride to Deal on the south coast because it was foggy and damp and had to keep stopping for lazy buggers. All I can say is all the best riders have DNF on their record, it’s fails that teach us and push us the next time.
@ChrisO I guess that is the life of the support rider, and some dudes must spend their whole careers smashing for a few stages, one big last effort then stepping in the bus. And I guess then it comes down to your personal motivations and what you find ‘fun’ (as far as suffering goes). You did your job for the team, which is what you are there to do. Also, coulda just had an off day? But Chapeau anyway, straight up legend.
@harminator
Yep, no doubt about the numbers. Much of the time I was up at 370-390, and I know what it feels like. The wind was some of the worst I’ve ever been out in, short of a full-on shamal.
It’s an excellent question about re-evaluating. I’m not going to do anything at that level again.
Being totally honest I didn’t think I should be there and I was looking to go out of the race.
I remember even on Day 1 locking wheels and nearly crashing and that moment of fear and pain-anticipation was mixed with the pleasurable thought that it would all be over.
I knew I was cooking myself when I was doing that turn, and had I wanted to stay in the race I would either not have done it, or pulled away earlier. But I kept going far too long and made sure I burned up. It’s not exactly noble, but I haven’t decided yet if it’s good or bad – at this point it just is.
I don’t want to quit racing, but I do want to do better. I know I can get around most races by sitting in, but I think I should compete where I can influence the outcome and maybe even win something for myself.
@beers Not an off day, in fact one of the positives from this was that I felt pretty good day to day. Every other time I’ve done a stage race I have had a day where the tank hit empty but even if I’d line up today I think I would have been OK. We were really well looked after by our soigneur and that made a huge difference.
I’d also made some diet changes leading up to the race – eating fewer carbs to try to get my body able to tap into fat. And I concentrated on quality not quantity for recovery with a mix of protein and carbs. Seemed to work, although I could never go completely carb free – what a joyless fucking existence that would be.
@ChrisO
THIS is all that I saw!!! HOLY FUCK, MAN! You were towing fuckin Mancebo, the multiple Vuelta Podium finisher and multiple overall Top Ten TdF finsher!!! Winner of the White Jersey back in the early 2000’s???
Jesus man, that is awesomely fuck’in AMAZING!
Chapeau! Who the fuck cares about anything else positive or negative. THAT is so cool!!!