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Respect the Jersey

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Domination, at least from the spectator’s point of view, can quickly wring the suspense and excitement out of watching an event. In most cases, the sporting events we look back on most fondly are those most closely fought; even in recalling my own competitions, those where my winning margin was smallest feature most prominently in my memories. The smart money says Greg LeMond feels the same way.

Cycling is a difficult sport to spectate, or has been in the past. Point-to-point races covering hundreds of kilometers are hardly friendly to an audience who waits for hours at the roadside only to watch a colorful blur speed by. The modern days of start-to-finish coverage that you can watch on your mobile while driving to work, sitting on a conference call, drinking a cup of coffee, texting a friend, eating a sandwich and raging at inattentive drivers are a relatively new innovation; in the past, the races were documented only by journalists who may or may not have been in attendance of the event. The sole purpose of holding a bicycle race was often to sell newspapers, and in accordance with that goal, the journalists did what they needed to in order make the racing sound interesting. In other words, they lied like their pants were on fire.

Nevertheless, the feats documented were herculean. They built the leader and championship jerseys of our sport – the jerseys reserved for the elite of the elite – into sacred fleeces handed down from the very heights of Mount Velomis. These were jerseys that the hardest and most respected names of our sport drew unimaginable overdraft fees from the V-Bank in order to earn.

Certainly, this is why Rule #16 exists; we mortals have no business sullying such holy garments, however good our intentions may be. But the modern Pros claim their adherence to Rule #16 through their actions when offered the privilege to briefly bear its burden; invariably, they will dig deeper than ever before to stay within contention to honor their jersey. On some days, these jerseys give them wings while on other days, the jersey’s weight may prove too much.

Watching Froome lead the Tour from Stage 8 onwards challenged my interest in the event; his show of dominance on Ventoux did so even more. But with his final attack on the climb to Annecy-Semnoz, with nothing left in the tank, I recognized as a show of honor – of respect for the jersey. Of panache. He had no need to win that stage, and he had no realistic means to do so under those circumstances, given that his legs had already left him on the slopes of l’Alpe d’Huez.

But honor drove him to try – honor fueled by a respect for the Maillot Jaune. It would have been glorious for him to win the final climb of the Tour in the leader’s jersey, but attacking and failing is what earned him at least one more fan.

There’s no such thing as a failure who keeps trying
Coasting to the bottom is the only disgrace

– John C. Popper, Blues Traveler

 

// Etiquette // Folklore // Nostalgia // Racing // The Rules

  1. I too was impressed by Froome’s respect for the Maillot Jaune. Rode with his regular black sky bibs and not the garish “everything has to be yellow” kit. The way he rode in the Alps was impressive by any Tour standard. Trying to win on Semnoz was classy indeed. I have a new found respect for Froome – or I should say, I now have respect for Froome. Not knowing much about him in the past, he came off as somewhat of a douche. Seems like a real good dude and a fitting champ.

  2. @Scott Martin

    While I respect the respect the jersey rule I don’t really see it as much different than somebody wearing their favorite baseball/football players jersey

    Missing the point friend. While the true purists here probably wouldn’t wear team kit, it’s acceptable as long as you don’t mix n match (no 7-11 jersey with Garmin bibs and ONCE socks for example). It’s kinda like having a replica of the Stanley Cup or Super Bowl ring on your mantel at home. Did you earn it? No. Then why do you have it?

    However, do you love Nibili? Cool, wear the Astana kit, just not the Maglia Rosa version of it. That make sense?

  3. @jmulca@Scott Martin

  4. @Bianchi Denti still have a pair of those Brikos in yellow blue.  My kids call them the bug glasses.  Totally pro look there, casually deliberate with three points of contact while sporting the WC strip.

  5. @Jamie

    Great post Frank and well timed. Like a lot of other Velonomati, I was dissapointed with your previous attack on Froome. Don’t let the fame off the book spoil things.

    When did I attack Froome? I just said he looked like shit on the bike. Which he does. Its not even an opinion, its been proven mathematically at this point.

    Other than that, it was quite complimentary:

    There are lots of things to like about Vroomie Froomie, like his willingness to accept the fact that people are inclined to question his performances. Aside from me resenting him for leading a Tour which everyday becomes a little less exciting, he seems quite a likable guy; he is polite, respectful of the sport, wears team-issue bibs with his yellow jersey, his bike is only subtly yellow’d out, and he hasn’t publicly called anyone a c*nt that I’m aware of. That last point alone represents a refreshing change from last year.

    Also, I’m not 100% clear on what a Velonomati is, but it sounds serious.

  6. @PT

    @Scott Martin

    Rule #16 is respect the jersey. Rule #12 is correct number of bikes to own is n+1….but good point about respecting the jersey.

    I thought @Frank meant the jersey rule too.

    Which I respected to the utmost until the opportunity to buy a 2013 Giro points jersey in all its wonderful Paul Smith/ Santini rosa glory arose and I succumbed because I love red jerseys. Sorry.

    Its not a violation unless you wear it. Hang it in the workshop.

  7. @Scott Martin

    While I respect the respect the jersey rule I don’t really see it as much different than somebody wearing their favorite baseball/football players jersey

    Except football and baseball suck.

  8. @Mike_P

    Yes. Not to mention Hinault.

    And, here’s what Hinault does to Rule #16 (see, I got it right this time) violators.

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    Andre Mahe looking similarly committed to getting shit done:

    What always amazes me is how big those gears were and how much flex there must have been in those systems, between the frames and shoes…I can’t even imagine.

  10. Before I found this site and embraced the one true way of the Velominati, my kit was team kit. I never mixed and matched but I did wear a Cervelo Test Team kit on my Cannondale. I still do, but only in the comfort of my own home when I’m on the rollers (serving my penance while sinning as it were).

    These days, it’s V-Kit or my local club kit only but I find myself somewhat conflicted. My youngest has some birthday money that he wants to spend on a Sky Wiggo replica jersey. Part of me is chuffed to bits that he’s getting into cycling and isn’t planning on buying another Barcelona kit but the other part is concious that it would amount to a clear Rule #2 breach in respect of Rule #16 and, given that his current bike is a BMX, in respect of Rule #18. I’ve suggested that Sky polo shirt would be the way to go, he can ride in it but also wear it at other time and it’s would be rule compliant but he’s set on the jersey.

  11. @frank

    @Jamie

    Like a lot of other Velonomati…

    Also, I’m not 100% clear on what a Velonomati is, but it sounds serious.

    Sounds like the cycling equivalent of Billy No Mates.

  12. @Elric

    To extend the question, do you think the jersey has the power to permanently change a cyclist? I do in that it opens new horizons, new possibilities in their minds. depending on the conditions in which it is won and retained, even briefly, it confirms that they can push themselves beyond their self imposed mental limits which is some powerful mind fuel. I saw it all the time in wrestling where a pivotal win over a key rival can change the arc and dynamics of someone’s career. New expectations, better performance, and the cycle continues assuming good coaching. Everyone has physical limits but that being said we most often never even approach them. The psychology is the same for selection into Special Forces, Delta, SAS ( caveat: am not and never was any of those). The soldier accompanied only by a weapon, map, compass, impossibly heavy packe, and his own self doubts trudges endless miles with zero feedback and no known end point. There is no published standard, they are only told to do their best. It becomes an internal struggle between mind and body to push through ones limits only knowing that you must go faster and farther. Those that make it, like the champions of sport reach a critical psychological break point where they simply refuse to recognize when they are physically beaten. Find a man like that, and with the right coachung and training you have a winner.

    It depends on the personality of the individual. There are some for whom that little push was all they needed to start taking chance; I think Cuddles was one, so was Virenque when he took Yellow early in the ’92 Tour.

    But there are just as many for whom that adds a degree of pressure of expectation that they aren’t equipped to deal with; in those cases it ruins their career because they forever think they should do better or repeat the performance.

    regarding Rule #16, john does it apply to teams no longer in the peloton, teams so far gone it would be farcical to even think the wearer was frontin’? I lust after that wool Cinzano warmup that just oozes class. I also wear my MG jersey mountain biking with baggy shorts. Call me a philistine, but I love that jersey.

    This is a gray area, but my inclination is to say yes, it applies. Those teams were great and I respect them too much to wear their colors. Taken to the maximum, I’d never wear a Molteni jersey, or a Bianchi jersey modeled after Coppi’s.

  13. @Chris

    Before I found this site and embraced the one true way of the Velominati, my kit was team kit. I never mixed and matched but I did wear a Cervelo Test Team kit on my Cannondale. I still do, but only in the comfort of my own home when I’m on the rollers (serving my penance while sinning as it were).

    These days, it’s V-Kit or my local club kit only but I find myself somewhat conflicted. My youngest has some birthday money that he wants to spend on a Sky Wiggo replica jersey. Part of me is chuffed to bits that he’s getting into cycling and isn’t planning on buying another Barcelona kit but the other part is concious that it would amount to a clear Rule #2 breach in respect of Rule #16 and, given that his current bike is a BMX, in respect of Rule #18. I’ve suggested that Sky polo shirt would be the way to go, he can ride in it but also wear it at other time and it’s would be rule compliant but he’s set on the jersey.

    I wouldn’t sweat it. Emulating your heros is a form of respect for a young gun like your kid.

    I suggest you let him get the jersey and let that enthusiasm develop. Its a small violation to allow him to ease into the sport.

    Then drop him mercilessly as he tries to hold your wheel on his BMX while you’re crushing it on the ‘Whale and then mock him for being a douche in team kit.

  14. @frank I won’t be able to do that for long if his big sister and brother are anything to go by. His 10yo big brother, Angus, was cracking along at a steady 22kph on his BMX on Sunday before he fell off and put his chain ring through the back of his leg. Brought me down as well.

    The ‘Whale is sulking in the garage waiting for some new hoods and a shifter face plate to arrive so it can have a re-cable and re-tape.

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    @starclimber

    Andre Mahe looking similarly committed to getting shit done:

     

     

    What always amazes me is how big those gears were and how much flex there must have been in those systems, between the frames and shoes…I can’t even imagine.

    Yeah, but when you have the tendons in your legs surgically replaced with steel cables does it matter?

  16. @frank

    @Jamie

    Great post Frank and well timed. Like a lot of other Velonomati, I was dissapointed with your previous attack on Froome. Don’t let the fame off the book spoil things.

    When did I attack Froome? I just said he looked like shit on the bike. Which he does. Its not even an opinion, its been proven mathematically at this point.

    I have to agree here.  I watched every stage and never saw Frank attack Froome – in fact I didn’t even realise he rode the Tour.  This lack of visibility must mean he was riding for either Cofidis or Lampre.

  17. @PT

    @VeloVita

    Love him or hate him, here’s another guy who never fails to respect the jersey when it finds its way onto his shoulders

    Possibly true but I think he respects the TV cameras just as much.

    I think that Voeckler is and EXCELLENT example of the respect for the jersey

    I mean, the cat rode himself into the ground defending the jersey and really came closer than I thought to riding it in to Paris.  Personally, I love him, and personally the talk in the peloton is they HATE him

  18. @Elric

    To extend the question, do you think the jersey has the power to permanently change a cyclist?

    regarding Rule #16, john does it apply to teams no longer in the peloton, teams so far gone it would be farcical to even think the wearer was frontin’? I lust after that wool Cinzano warmup that just oozes class. I also wear my MG jersey mountain biking with baggy shorts. Call me a philistine, but I love that jersey.

    to the first question: no, it does not, see Jan Ulrichs career for reference

    to the 2nd question: there is a hallowed 10 year Rule.  Please observe Rule #16 and respect the PRO jersey, or the winners jersey (of your chosing).  However, the 10 year rule is like a statute of limitaions, in that, after a team is off the map 10 years, like Cizano you may wear the kit and this actually makes you more cool, and evidences your reverence of the jersey.

    However, be careful how you mix and match this.  Customarily you should only don a cap properly, be on steel, with toe clips, threaded 7 speed cassettes, sew ups and of course down tube shifters

  19. @frank

    @Elric

    regarding Rule #16, john does it apply to teams no longer in the peloton, teams so far gone it would be farcical to even think the wearer was frontin’? I lust after that wool Cinzano warmup that just oozes class. I also wear my MG jersey mountain biking with baggy shorts. Call me a philistine, but I love that jersey.

    This is a gray area, but my inclination is to say yes, it applies. Those teams were great and I respect them too much to wear their colors. Taken to the maximum, I’d never wear a Molteni jersey, or a Bianchi jersey modeled after Coppi’s.

    How then do we feel about other team branded items? – The letter of Rule #16 and #17 seems to only apply only to kit, but what about Domo Farm Frites Merckx Team SCs or CSC Cervelo R3s for example?  Is the spirit of the Rule being broken here? (unless they were acquired after originally being used by the actual team, which of course would just be fucking awesome).  I for one wouldn’t ever wear pro team kit, but I totally dig some of the team edition bikes of years past – especially some of the Merckx MX Leader paint schemes.

  20. @frank

    @Jamie

    Great post Frank and well timed. Like a lot of other Velonomati, I was dissapointed with your previous attack on Froome. Don’t let the fame off the book spoil things.

    When did I attack Froome? I just said he looked like shit on the bike. Which he does. Its not even an opinion, its been proven mathematically at this point.

     

    when your right Frank, your right.  Its been proven over and over again.   In a few years, we’ll be looking back with a snarky grin talking about ‘that Froome’ and his spider like style.

    but with all respect, he is in yellow

  21. @frank

    @Mike_P
    And, here’s what Hinault does to Rule #16 (see, I got it right this time) violators.

    What’s going on here?

    @Souleur

    @Elric

    To extend the question, do you think the jersey has the power to permanently change a cyclist?

    regarding Rule #16, john does it apply to teams no longer in the peloton, teams so far gone it would be farcical to even think the wearer was frontin’? I lust after that wool Cinzano warmup that just oozes class. I also wear my MG jersey mountain biking with baggy shorts. Call me a philistine, but I love that jersey.

    to the first question: no, it does not, see Jan Ulrichs career for reference

    10 years is the minimum before a pleb such as you or I can wear team kit.

    Who’s Jan Ulrich? Unless of course you mean Ullrich.

  22. @Souleur

    when your right Frank, your right. Its been proven over and over again. In a few years, we’ll be looking back with a snarky grin talking about ‘that Froome’ and his spider like style.

    What about when Frank is on your left?

  23. @frank

    And, here’s what Hinault does to Rule #16 (see, I got it right this time) violators.

    Just another coup de Blaireau.

  24. @VeloVita

    @frank

    @Elric

    regarding Rule #16, john does it apply to teams no longer in the peloton, teams so far gone it would be farcical to even think the wearer was frontin’? I lust after that wool Cinzano warmup that just oozes class. I also wear my MG jersey mountain biking with baggy shorts. Call me a philistine, but I love that jersey.

    This is a gray area, but my inclination is to say yes, it applies. Those teams were great and I respect them too much to wear their colors. Taken to the maximum, I’d never wear a Molteni jersey, or a Bianchi jersey modeled after Coppi’s.

    How then do we feel about other team branded items? – The letter of Rule #16 and #17 seems to only apply only to kit, but what about Domo Farm Frites Merckx Team SCs or CSC Cervelo R3s for example? Is the spirit of the Rule being broken here? (unless they were acquired after originally being used by the actual team, which of course would just be fucking awesome). I for one wouldn’t ever wear pro team kit, but I totally dig some of the team edition bikes of years past – especially some of the Merckx MX Leader paint schemes.

    I’m gonna have to say that bikes are allowable, as I ride a Domo FF Merckx! But it doesn’t have any Domo branding on it, just the paint (which is, of course, awesome!).

  25. @PeakInTwoYears

    @frank

    And, here’s what Hinault does to Rule #16 (see, I got it right this time) violators.

    Just another coup de Blaireau.

    Ironically the FDJ rider had won the stage. But Hinault just cannot stand white bibs!

  26. @VeloVita

    @frank

    @Jamie

    Great post Frank and well timed. Like a lot of other Velonomati, I was dissapointed with your previous attack on Froome. Don’t let the fame off the book spoil things.

    When did I attack Froome? I just said he looked like shit on the bike. Which he does. Its not even an opinion, its been proven mathematically at this point.

    I have to agree here. I watched every stage and never saw Frank attack Froome – in fact I didn’t even realise he rode the Tour. This lack of visibility must mean he was riding for either Cofidis or Lampre.

    Or Sojasun, they too wore the invisible kit.

  27. @Bianchi Denti

    @PeakInTwoYears

    @frank

    And, here’s what Hinault does to Rule #16 (see, I got it right this time) violators.

    Just another coup de Blaireau.

    Ironically the FDJ rider had won the stage. But Hinault just cannot stand white bibs!

    And why should he have to? He’s the Patron, for fuck’s sake. If you’re on his podium, you dress properly: black bibs,  khakis, or a suit. Autrement, va te faire foutre. 

  28. My son is so mad about Chris Froome after watching the Tour, that he is even trying to make shadows of the Spider as he rides along, bless him – whatever, he got 4th at our club Crit for U10s, so I’m all for a bit of hero worshipping!

  29. @Dr C

    My son is so mad about Chris Froome after watching the Tour, that he is even trying to make shadows of the Spider as he rides along, bless him – whatever, he got 4th at our club Crit for U10s, so I’m all for a bit of hero worshipping!

    Strong work there, Son of C. And on a cross bike too. Training for Paris Roubaix 2025?

  30. @frank

    @Scott Martin

    While I respect the respect the jersey rule I don’t really see it as much different than somebody wearing their favorite baseball/football players jersey

    Except football and baseball suck.

    Under no circumstances should a grown person ever wear the replica football/baseball/basketball/hockey jersey of a professional or college team, particularly, heaven forbid, to one of said team’s games. Cretins and mouth-breathers excepted, of course.

  31. @Souleur I’m thinking that Jan might have been if not for COTHO.  Still, even without that look at his palm ares and that is nothing to sneeze at.  It’s very hard to determine where the physical and mental intersect and where a rider transcends his limitations.  In part that is what makes it such a fascinating subject for if we knew when and how, we could repeat it endlessly.  Part of the reason I brought up military elite unit selection is that they have studied it for years.  Trying to determine in who is worthy to invest millions of dollars worth of training is no small decision.  In short they’ve determined there is no better method than putting candidates through the crucible of performance.  Cycling is no different in this regard.  All the physiological testing means nothing without the grinta, the will to push oneself to superhuman efforts.  It is that elusive ephemeral quality that separates the champions… Or even the superdomestiques such as Jens who can bury themselves for the team.  So many in the peloton who while not famous are widely respected for that very ability.

    so maybe it isn’t one event, but a culmination of events that give one insight and confirmation of that ability.  In that respect, wearing the maillot can still be a transcendent event in ones career.  I would maintain that a competent and supportive coach and DS are essential to recognize and build on that foundation or the moment passes u recognized.

    #16-  I don’t know about the Simplex derailleur and tOne straps.  I just know that jumper looks damn PRO!

  32. @Spun Up exceptions granted for my believed Georgia Dawgs!  Go Dawgs sic ’em woof woof!  Mouth breathers indeed!  I’ll invite you to Athens to experience the Saturday afternoon perfection that is SEC football.

  33. @Dr C

    My son is so mad about Chris Froome after watching the Tour, that he is even trying to make shadows of the Spider as he rides along, bless him – whatever, he got 4th at our club Crit for U10s, so I’m all for a bit of hero worshipping!

    Strong work, old chap. That looks like an Isla Bike, just got one for my 12yo. The 10yo is being arsey with me now because I haven’t got one for him yet. And my wife is beginning to claim that I’ve created a clan of little cyclists to take my side.

  34. @TBONE

    Who’s Jan Ulrich? Unless of course you mean Ullrich.

    That joke stopped being funny several months ago. Maybe longer.

    @TBONE

    @Souleur

    when your right Frank, your right. Its been proven over and over again. In a few years, we’ll be looking back with a snarky grin talking about ‘that Froome’ and his spider like style.

    What about when Frank is on your left?

    That joke, on the other hand, is hilarious.

  35. @Spun Up@Elric

    You both must have mistaken this website for another one that sucks more. I seriously have no idea what you’re on about.

    @Dr C

    The path to enlightenment must start soon, and it is only through straying off the path that we may find our true calling. At his age, hero worship and emulation is the best way to get passionate about the sport.

    Luckily, at that age, the TdF winners I emulated all Looked Fantastic and had Magnificent Strokes. Some day, Froome will have to square with the legacy of an entire generation of riders who are unable to make the Spider Hump work as well for them as he did.

  36. @Elric I’ve had my eye on that same Cinzano zip up jacket for some time, my take on it is that it’s a piece of kit for race viewing or other velo related pursuits that aren’t riding…

  37. @frank I take it this is before you spent a season with one hand on the tops & one on the drops emulating that photo of Fignon then?

  38. @Elric

    @Spun Up exceptions granted for my believed Georgia Dawgs! Go Dawgs sic ’em woof woof! Mouth breathers indeed! I’ll invite you to Athens to experience the Saturday afternoon perfection that is SEC football.

    I live in Arkansas. We’ve been embarrassing the SEC since 1993! I don’t care if you are Between the Hedges, unless you’re 9-years-old, no jersey.

  39. @frank

    @Spun Up, @Elric

    You both must have mistaken this website for another one that sucks more. I seriously have no idea what you’re on about.

    Fair point, sir, but until you stop fucking about and unveil the pictures of the new steed, we’re all just killing time around here anyway.

  40. @Spun Up true…Herschel’s jersey must be framed on a wall within arms reach of the kegerator.

    frank-  I feel for you having such a limited, albeit very deep range of interests.  Here in the south, you don’t follow Georgia football, it owns you.  I when I lived in Athens I actually had to leave town to ride on game weekends or go mtb.  It is bigger than life, sort of like the Death Star.

    and where is the new ride anyway?

  41. @Spun Up

    @frank

    @Spun Up, @Elric

    You both must have mistaken this website for another one that sucks more. I seriously have no idea what you’re on about.

    Fair point, sir, but until you stop fucking about and unveil the pictures of the new steed, we’re all just killing time around here anyway.

    Somehow you two have summed up the reason this place is so interesting in a couple of phrases of raw, perfect prose.  Even taken out of context, I would enjoy this exchange.

  42. Getting back just briefly to my ‘related to, but admittedly a bit off topic photo of Andre Mahe’, I have to confess that a far stronger ‘rule’ exists in my mind, which is: respect the photo. Much like Frank’s ‘hand on top, hand on drop’ reasonable facsimile of Laurent Fignon, Mahe’s at-the-fucking-limit-and-then-some off the saddle effort has inspired me to crank into the wind sur le plaque in the 53-12 out of the saddle until my hands became too numb to shift to something easier. It sure feels like good training, and if there’s even the slightest chance I could develop calves that ripple violently enough to break the sound barrier, Yeager my ass up.

    I’m fucking stupid that way, but it looks impressive and I’ve yet to be passed while emulating Saint Mahe’s sepia toned mortification of the flesh, therefore it’s gotta be worthy of my humble supplications. I rest my dubious case.

  43. @TBONE People standing on my left always strike me as being somewhat sinistra.

  44. @frank

    @Souleur

    when your right Frank, your right. Its been proven over and over again. In a few years, we’ll be looking back with a snarky grin talking about ‘that Froome’ and his spider like style.

    What about when Frank is on your left?

    That joke, on the other hand, is hilarious.

    but does two rights ever make a left, just because he lives in Seattle cannot be inclusive into this whole pun?

  45. @frank

    @Scott Martin

    While I respect the respect the jersey rule I don’t really see it as much different than somebody wearing their favorite baseball/football players jersey

    Except football and baseball suck.

    A-Merckx to that. Baseball. I’m proud to say I’ve never watched a full 9 innings in my life. What a fucking bore. Perfect American sport, takes forever, encourages laziness, even the players sit around for half the game, many are fat, and you can put a number, and thus a price on ever single fucking thing that happens.

    Football. The NFL is a fucking joke. How many guys in that league are doping? And how rigid and corporate is it? Then you can toss in lifetime brain damage from playing. Fuck couples who walk around on Sunday in matching jerseys.

  46. @frank

    @TBONE

    Who’s Jan Ulrich? Unless of course you mean Ullrich.

    That joke stopped being funny several months ago. Maybe longer.

    @TBONE

    I’ve been making that joke since before it was cool.

  47. @Ron

    Football. The NFL is a fucking joke. How many guys in that league are doping?

    Come to a CFL game if you want a good laugh. No one is doping in that league because they’re too fucking poor.

  48. @Chris

    The Islabikes are great – if you look after them they seem to get the same price on Ebay as you bought them for – I couldn’t get a secondhand Luath 26 for less than £310, no matter what it’s condition, they are £400 new, and the Beinn 24 my daughter rides retails £360 and you can’t get them 2nd for less than £280 on Ebay – bonkers!

    Sadly my wife has now taken up cycling and I can’t get out as much as I used to, so the only option is to brainwash them with TdF footage, and get them out there too – both racing now, just need them to get a bit larger so I can getting a better draft from them

    @Bianchi Denti

    If he ever rides P-R, it won’t have been because I suggested it!

    @frank

    It’ll be interesting to see how many riders of the next generation have sore backs trying to ride like the Spider??

  49. I’m only going to wear plan jerseys or one from the LBS that I frequent.

  50. Chaqueta larga shrug blanco, falda encantadora del diseño de costura dulce hace que esta chaqueta es toque más lúdico. Diseño hendidura natural, era delgado y elegante. Qué tomar el vestido de encaje rojo, con medias negras y botas de felpa, hermosas.

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