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Reverence: LeMond Revolution

Reverence: LeMond Revolution

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I read recently that a number of Pros like to ride the turbo for an hour or so before having breakfast in the morning to jump start the old metabolic system. Which means that now I ride the trainer for an hour in the morning before breakfast. I think the Pros probably do it to lose weight, and I do it partly for that reason but also to burn off the hangover which comes as a result of my status as a semi-professional drinker.

I used to ride an old Tacx trainer, but I found riding the device only slightly preferable to shoving bamboo shoots under my fingernails. Then I got a LeMond Revolution and now I actually look forward to my morning sessions. I’d been interested in the LeMond Revolution trainers for some time, but it wasn’t until I discovered that the device is based on a direct-drive trainer that Greg’s coach built for him in the 80’s that I decided to embark on my new morning ritual at the mercy of one. After all, if it was good enough to help LeMan become a Tour de France winner, then surly it was good enough to help me get less fat and become less of a weakling.

The first thing you notice about these little numbers that you remove the rear wheel from your bike and mount the Revolution in its place. This means no wheel slippage on the mag and what amounts to a remarkably pleasant ride feel. The second thing you notice about the trainer is that its bloody hard to spin up; I start crossed in a 53×26 and can hardly turn the pedals at first, but there is no way I’m shifting into my little ring on a trainer on account of my not being a giant sissy. The third thing you notice is that it’s actually fun to ride; I turn on some old Cycling movies and before I know it, I find my buzzer going off indicating the hour has already passed. I had no idea riding a trainer didn’t have to suck.

But lets be clear: we are road cyclists, and we ride on the road. A long ride in the cold wind and rain is preferable to even an hour on an indoor trainer. But trainers do represent an important training tool and as such should be a part of every Cyclist’s arsenal. I’m on it every morning, and as the season looms I’m looking to it more and more for intervals and power work. Not to mention that as I prepare for my Hour ride on Festum Prophetae, I’m training Obree Style on my Revolution.

Before we get too carried away with this indoor riding business, let’s review some examples of acceptable reasons to ride a trainer:

  1. Strength and/or interval training.
  2. Pedaling technique work.
  3. Hour Record simulation training.
  4. Pre-breakfast rides to help lose weight, assuming you still hit the road after breakfast.
  5. Recovery from injury.

Examples of unacceptable reasons to ride a trainer:

  1. Its raining outside and you don’t want to get wet.
  2. Its cold outside and you don’t want to get cold.
  3. Its windy outside and you don’t want to get blown around.
  4. Its cold and wet outside and you don’t want to get cold and wet.
  5. Its cold and wet and windy out and you don’t want to get blown around while getting cold and wet.
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  1. @frank There have been discussions in the past on this site about The Things That Are So Obvious That They Don’t Need To Be Set Out In The Rules; surely kit that fits would be one of them? Those sleeves/arm warmers are as baggy as @ChrisO’s granny tights.

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    @unversio

    What’s up with this Wahoo Kickr?

    Mentioned in my post above. Electronically variable resistance. Can allow you to ride virtual routes, or aid your intervals by forcing you to produce set watts for a set duration. Easily progammable or controlled on the fly. I believe DCRainmaker has an excellent review (despite being a Triathelete).

    You’d hope it’s amazing at twice the price of the Lemond trainer.

  3. @Chris

    @frank There have been discussions in the past on this site about The Things That Are So Obvious That They Don’t Need To Be Set Out In The Rules; surely kit that fits would be one of them? Those sleeves/arm warmers are as baggy as @ChrisO’s granny tights.

    Mate, can we help it if manufacturers seem to think there are a bunch of fat bastards out there buying cycling kit.

    Oh, wait…

  4. @ChrisO It might be understandable (if not forgiveable) when buying from the mass produced market but to be pictured wearing ill fitting kit from your own range…

  5. Re: rollers skillz. Got the one handed thing mostly dialled, although kinda depends which bike I’m riding, the twitchy Ti one needs a bit more care and attention than the more relaxed C one. Can sometimes steel myself to do no handed. Standing up is hard, am still getting it dialled – can’t get far off the saddle. Although on a long session, I find standing up very helpful (to get blood back into my c#ck – undercarriage goes a bit numb). Not at level where I can really bury myself on rollers, can get cadence up or power up but not both in same way that I can when I don’t have to worry about balance.

    Rollers good for mechanically inept – no need to remove any wheels!

  6. @Nof Landrien

    Rollers good for mechanically inept – no need to remove any wheels!

    If wheel removal really is a problem for anyone on here, can I suggest that you close your browser now, proceed straight to your garage, basement or wherever it is that you keep your bike and practice taking your wheels on and putting them back on until it is no longer a problem, until it becomes second nature.

    I’m going to hazard a guess that if you’re afraid of removing wheels, you are probably in massive contravention of Rule #65. It’s basic and absolutely fundamental skill, ffs.

  7. @frank

    @Mike_P

    I’m sure the Revolution is a good bit of kit, but by the looks of it, I’d need to build a new wing on the side of my house just to accomodate the thing. And could I really be arsed with the whole back wheel on/off thing. Nah. Oh but I’m forgetting that Frank has a squillion bikes so has no worries on that front.

    Seriously? Seriously?

    Taking the wheel out and mounting it on the trainer is a fuckton easier than messing about with clumsy trainer mounts and trying to get the tension on the turbo set consistently. Not to mention swapping tires and skewers.

    If you lack the skills to be able to easily remove your back wheel, however, I think you might be due for an entirely different discussion before you start worrying about riding the turbo.

    In my defence, being space poor, I have to assemble and disassemble and store my whole fucking training rig each time I train on it, which right now is 3 times per week and a right royal pain in the arse but a routine I’ve got down to a couple of minutes [pauses for breath]. I’m saying my personal preference is not to swap the wheel out, not that I’m incapable.  What the fuck do you think I am? I’m wounded.

  8. Whats the side to side motion feel like. Lemond should create a trainer that combines his design with a Kurt Kinetic. That would be dope.

  9. @frank

    @cyclebrarian

    @ChrissyOne

    I was under the impression that Seattle was a bike friendly city and drivers were aware of cyclists. I live in a small town in Maryland and we’re just starting to get bike lanes – the group that’s doing it is also attempting to educate drivers about looking out for people on bikes. I don’t know how well it’s working because I see drivers within town limits acting like idiots. Oddly enough, the motorists on the back roads seem to be a lot more aware of cyclists, so I prefer to ride out there.

    I feel very safe with my lights and – wait for it – reflective tape on my rain bike here in Seattle. But the other side of being bike-friendly is that we are also an IT hub which means drivers here often feel they have more important things to do while driving than watch the road.

    Do you have a picture of said rain bike, Frank?

  10. +1 on the sufferfest vids. ‘Blender’ and ‘It seemed like a good idea at the time’ are the ones I use the most.

    The music is a bit rubbish but this is explained by the fact that they are made by Australians.

  11. @Chris

    @frank There have been discussions in the past on this site about The Things That Are So Obvious That They Don’t Need To Be Set Out In The Rules; surely kit that fits would be one of them? Those sleeves/arm warmers are as baggy as @ChrisO’s granny tights.

    Its a long sleeve jersey, you fucking git.

    @cyclebrarian

    Its my resurrected R3.

  12. @frank

    @Chris

    @frank There have been discussions in the past on this site about The Things That Are So Obvious That They Don’t Need To Be Set Out In The Rules; surely kit that fits would be one of them? Those sleeves/arm warmers are as baggy as @ChrisO’s granny tights.

    Its a long sleeve jersey, you fucking git.

    Whatever, it’s still too baggy, you lanky great poof.

    And while we’re on the subject of LS jerseys; given that it’s been established that there no place for bib tights as regular bibs and knee warmers do the job perfectly well, should LS jerseys not also be redundant?

  13. @ChrissyOne

    @cyclebrarian

    @ChrissyOne

    I was under the impression that Seattle was a bike friendly city and drivers were aware of cyclists. I live in a small town in Maryland and we’re just starting to get bike lanes – the group that’s doing it is also attempting to educate drivers about looking out for people on bikes. I don’t know how well it’s working because I see drivers within town limits acting like idiots. Oddly enough, the motorists on the back roads seem to be a lot more aware of cyclists, so I prefer to ride out there.

    The problem is that I live in a small town across Puget Sound from Seattle, but I work downtown. The country road where I live are exquisite for riding, and I can go out my front door and put in 100km of gorgeous riding. But the roads have inadequate shoulders, are rough and poorly maintained in places, and the drivers are a mixed bag of courteous sympathizers and homicidal maniacs.
    […]

    I’ve driven from Bainbridge Island to Port Townsend, and just the thought of riding some of those narrow roads with those drivers in the wet is enough to bring on vicarious testicle retraction.  Respect.

    I live in the officially least-bicycle-friendly city in Germany, by the by, but I’m out into the surrounding countryside quickly and the roads are primo.

  14. @frank

    @Jay

    Where does “It is dark and unsafe to ride outside when I do have free time at this time of year” fit in to your lists?

    Lights. Also, the lists are stated to be examples, and as such are not categorically complete.

    I think a cursory glance will get you a solid idea of what types of situations are deemed appropriate and which are not.

    So what you’re saying is that your lists are categorically incomplete?  Is that even possible?

  15. Hey, cool, the plus one badge.

  16. @Chris

    You have much to learn, Pedalwan.  LS Jerseys are a crucial piece of kit, and are not intended for racing outside the early season. They are normally cut to fit over other clothing, and in such a way that pockets of air form between the skin and the fabric, which is what keeps you warm.

    The fit of this particular jersey, which you seem to be judging based on one arm and half a shoulder, is perfect.

  17. @Chris Alienating recumbent riders is one thing…they choose to ride them. But if the community is going to tolerate homophobic slurs, that’s me out.

  18. L/S jerseys are essential kit. So are full bib tights. A true Velominatus must be outfitted with enough gear to handle any weather situation. Admittedly, in WI this can lead to a shit load of gear as I ride in temps ranging from the mid 20s to the low 100s.

    Hell, I’m riding the trainer in my (unheated) garage wearing full tights and a L/S jersey. it’s 23 degrees in there!

  19. @wiscot

    I agree. This winter in the Midwest has been terribly cold and snowy. Far more time inside than I’d like. I managed to do 40K with the temp -14C and snow falling from the sky, but I was pretty frozen when I made it home.

    I am with the rollers crowd here. You can spin them up plenty fast, stand up, etc. once you’re used to them. I never made it more than an hour on a trainer, but managed five hours on rollers on Sunday. Rollers are simply more like riding a bike than a trainer. The “I have to pay attention or I fall over” thing is endless valuable.

  20. @pistard How would you have felt if I’d called Frank a lanky Dutch wanker instead?

    This is an interesting and complex area but in short, I firmly believe that if there is no intended homophobia (or racism, sexism etc.) and there is also a belief  that the recipient won’t take it as such then it’s not a homophobic slur.

    Having been on the receiving end of racial slurs at boarding school, I know what real abuse is like but I’m also of the belief that we’re generally getting too uptight about perceived slurs.

    However, if Frank is offended or feels that he’s been the victim of a homophobic slur, I’m truly sorry.  Without the intent, though, it isn’t really any different to calling him a cunt.

  21. @frank

    @Chris

    You have much to learn, Pedalwan. LS Jerseys are a crucial piece of kit, and are not intended for racing outside the early season. They are normally cut to fit over other clothing, and in such a way that pockets of air form between the skin and the fabric, which is what keeps you warm.

    The fit of this particular jersey, which you seem to be judging based on one arm and half a shoulder, is perfect.

    If you like a tight fitting LS jersey, the Castelli Transparente is my jersey of choice from april til june, and september to december. It has a windproof front and shoulders, with the back and lower arms a stretchy cotton.

    @wiscot

    L/S jerseys are essential kit. So are full bib tights. A true Velominatus must be outfitted with enough gear to handle any weather situation. Admittedly, in WI this can lead to a shit load of gear as I ride in temps ranging from the mid 20s to the low 100s.

    Hell, I’m riding the trainer in my (unheated) garage wearing full tights and a L/S jersey. it’s 23 degrees in there!

    If i’m not mistaken, it is an unwritten rule that shorts+warmers are the way to go.

  22. @norm

    I would like to get a few more Sufferfest vids. I did ride for over an hour yesterday on the trainer to a 1999 TdF video featuring the Pirate – put the bike on the highest riser setting and just rode. I forgot to put the fan on and didn’t feel like stopping to turn it on, so it felt a little like I was pedaling in the summer around here. But I want to get back to the SF vids.

  23. @Weldertron

    @frank

    @Chris

    You have much to learn, Pedalwan. LS Jerseys are a crucial piece of kit, and are not intended for racing outside the early season. They are normally cut to fit over other clothing, and in such a way that pockets of air form between the skin and the fabric, which is what keeps you warm.

    The fit of this particular jersey, which you seem to be judging based on one arm and half a shoulder, is perfect.

    If you like a tight fitting LS jersey, the Castelli Transparente is my jersey of choice from april til june, and september to december. It has a windproof front and shoulders, with the back and lower arms a stretchy cotton.

    @wiscot

    L/S jerseys are essential kit. So are full bib tights. A true Velominatus must be outfitted with enough gear to handle any weather situation. Admittedly, in WI this can lead to a shit load of gear as I ride in temps ranging from the mid 20s to the low 100s.

    Hell, I’m riding the trainer in my (unheated) garage wearing full tights and a L/S jersey. it’s 23 degrees in there!

    If i’m not mistaken, it is an unwritten rule that shorts+warmers are the way to go.

    I was doing the knee warmers, then the leg warmers, but when it was in the low 20s/teens in the garage I went full tights. A bit more warmth around the delicate parts than just regular lycra. I’m working hard during my sessions, but not exactly sweating buckets. When you can see your breath as clearly as if it were cigarette smoke, you know it’s cold!

  24. I hear you. I live in Quebec.

    The Castelli Nanoflex stuff is very warm. Same fabric as their warmest tights. water resistant to boot.

  25. @Weldertron

    I hear you. I live in Quebec.

    The Castelli Nanoflex stuff is very warm. Same fabric as their warmest tights. water resistant to boot.

    Good on ya! The main thing is we’re getting the legs going around in circles. Outside is always best, but better inside than not at all – no matter what you have to wear to do it!

  26. @Weldertron

    I hear you. I live in Quebec.

    The Castelli Nanoflex stuff is very warm. Same fabric as their warmest tights. water resistant to boot.

    Yes, I like it, too. Where I live, near Seattle, it’s only cool and not cold, and their Gabba rain jersey and Nanoflex warmers are good for me for much of the year.

  27. @Chris I really don’t give a fuck what you call Frank, or whether he’s offended. I’m not Dutch, but sometimes I wear wooden shoes when wanking.

    The point I was making is that you used a term derogatory to an entire community, and to a subset of this community. Your logic suggests anything is fair game, as long as your intentions are pure. Does this go for the N-word as well? Would members be too uptight if they objected to me sprinkling that around, all-in-good-fun?

    Members have been chastised for using language that conflates triathletes with a pejorative term for persons with developmental disabilities. Rightly so. There have been measures to tone down sexist language and make the site more inclusive to women. Chapeau! If the community cannot see the value in doing the same on this front (members, goodwill, looking fantastic), what does that say about the other part of Rule #43? “Always remember, we’re all brothers and sisters on the road.”

     

     

  28. @JohnB I can’t tell if you’re being ironic or really don’t know much about Fry.

  29. @andrew

    I’ve driven from Bainbridge Island to Port Townsend, and just the thought of riding some of those narrow roads with those drivers in the wet is enough to bring on vicarious testicle retraction. Respect.

    Yep, that’s roughly my neighborhood. I live just south of Bainbridge Island.
    http://www.strava.com/activities/107871441

    The riding is wonderful, but as you suspect… conflating too many of those dangerous ingredients is a recipe for a crap day. I went out for a night ride last night, but I’m lucky to have a 3.2 km residential loop near my house. Little traffic and perfect for throwing down V laps or so. But the major roads can be deadly, and there aren’t many cyclists around, so people don’t tend to look for them.

  30. @pistard

    @Chris Alienating recumbent riders is one thing…they choose to ride them. But if the community is going to tolerate homophobic slurs, that’s me out.

    If I’d have recognized the word in question as a homophobic slur, certainly it would have registered.

    @Chris

    However, if Frank is offended or feels that he’s been the victim of a homophobic slur, I’m truly sorry. Without the intent, though, it isn’t really any different to calling him a cunt.

    I’m not offended personally but do feel those things are on the short list of words not to use around here; I’d much prefer you call me something more clever or melodious, like “you dutch fooking useless fooking koont” like Pavé William does.

    And to close down our argument, I am truly sorry that you slip into a rage when you see someone wearing clothing that isn’t stretched like a condom over a watermelon. I appreciate that you’re not afforded that opportunity, and am here to help you with that any time you’re ready to talk.

  31. @frank Touché…

  32. @Chris

    Whatever, it’s still too baggy…

    “He’s say’n thatitz t’baggeh!”

  33. “With all due respect…F….k you!”-Rickie Bobbie

  34. I really like the idea of these trainers that don’t require a rear wheel/tire…much easier than my Green Machine and having to have a rear wheel and training tire built up specifically for when I need to ride indoors. 

    That being said, I have to give kudos to the Kinetic by Kurt…it just works.  Doesn’t make a lot of noise.  Folds up and slides into an inconspicuous location to keep the wife reasonably content.  And, it’s reasonably priced at half the price of the LeMan.

  35. @ChrissyOne

    @andrew

    I’ve driven from Bainbridge Island to Port Townsend, and just the thought of riding some of those narrow roads with those drivers in the wet is enough to bring on vicarious testicle retraction. Respect.

    Yep, that’s roughly my neighborhood. I live just south of Bainbridge Island.
    http://www.strava.com/activities/107871441

    The riding is wonderful, but as you suspect… conflating too many of those dangerous ingredients is a recipe for a crap day. I went out for a night ride last night, but I’m lucky to have a 3.2 km residential loop near my house. Little traffic and perfect for throwing down V laps or so. But the major roads can be deadly, and there aren’t many cyclists around, so people don’t tend to look for them.

    There is some wonderful riding south of Port Townsend. We have some faves over there. There are some dicey bits on Hwy 20 (links PT to 101), but the valleys and ridges in the Chimacum area and the Toandos peninsula (south of 104 on Hood Canal) are fabulous. Thorndyke Rd. on the Toandos is a good climb–or series of climbs, however you want to count it–and it just happens to be part of an exact metric century from our house.

  36. @kixsand

    I really like the idea of these trainers that don’t require a rear wheel/tire…much easier than my Green Machine and having to have a rear wheel and training tire built up specifically for when I need to ride indoors.

    That being said, I have to give kudos to the Kinetic by Kurt…it just works. Doesn’t make a lot of noise. Folds up and slides into an inconspicuous location to keep the wife reasonably content. And, it’s reasonably priced at half the price of the LeMan.

         I bought my buddy’s Kinetic from him back in November (he only used it twice) and have been very pleased. I thought the rear wheel/skewer thing for the Kinetic was going to be a much big deal, but it wasn’t. And I figure I’ll just buy a new back tire before the spring season starts. Like you said, “it just works.” I bought it for me and the gf, but she doesn’t find it comfortable, so I have it all to myself. The fact that it folds up is a bonus – we live in a two bedroom apartment (one is ours…well, and our two cats…and the other is devoted to bikes), so we have to move everything out of there when we have company. We’ve already decided our next place needs to have three bedrooms.

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    @Chris

    Whatever, it’s still too baggy…

    “He’s say’n thatitz t’baggeh!”

    Is that Rik van Looy in the middle? The kit has a certain “Flandria” vibe to it and Merckx knows the guns are big enough. Those pants are just there not to scare everyone else.

  38. FWIW: Just a thought for the winter trainer crowd: Find a cheap rear wheel and make it your permanent trainer wheel. I do it with an old Alex wheel that came on my Giant years ago. I use up old or odd tires on the trainer too.

  39. @pistard Irony. Big fan of Fry.

  40. @wiscot

    FWIW: Just a thought for the winter trainer crowd: Find a cheap rear wheel and make it your permanent trainer wheel. I do it with an old Alex wheel that came on my Giant years ago. I use up old or odd tires on the trainer too.

    I do the same, mine even has a lump when ridden on the road, but because the QR is locked in, to don’t even feel it on the trainer. A great use for damaged rims, wobbly rims, lumpy rims. Wouldn’t ride it on the rollers though!

  41. Re the noise of wind trainers, yeah. My first was a Vetta Lugano, single roller double fan nightmare white noise at whatever wattage I could force out. Used to put on albums up loud and take short breaks to flip them, so the 20 minute x 3 with short rests workout made perfect sense the first time I read about it. Well, except that I was so obsessed they’d be 4 or 5 albums long, and the intervals would be keeping tempo for however long a song lasted despite what my agonized lungs might have to say about it.

    Found a 2 roller 4 fan Vetta on ebay a few years ago, far quieter owing to the reduced rpm. Interestingly, given the lack of a flywheel, this rig best simulates climbing, as the wind resistance kills the momentum swiftly and you get a surgy feel. Super cool. Now if I could only rock the bike….

  42. I’ve been using a Revolution for a few years now. It’s a great machine but I understand that the same couldn’t be said for the clunky & expensive Power Pilot meter (which I never bought). Instead I mounted a £25 Bontrager Ant+ speed sensor to the top of the trainer such that it picks up a signal from the magnet which is already embedded in the large wheel which drives the toothed belt. I then managed to work out the speed / power curve for the machine using various bits of info from around the inter web.

    More recently I joined Trainer Road and was delighted to find that my speed / power curve pretty closely matches their virtual power algorithm.

    If any of you have a Revolution without a Power Pilot and aren’t using TR, but would like a copy of the speed / power curve just drop me a line. The only real draw back to my approach is that it doesn’t compensate for changes in air density due to temperature, as of course this affects the work needed to spin that fan.

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    @unversio

    @Chris

    Whatever, it’s still too baggy…

    “He’s say’n thatitz t’baggeh!”

    Is that Rik van Looy in the middle? The kit has a certain “Flandria” vibe to it and Merckx knows the guns are big enough. Those pants are just there not to scare everyone else.

    Rider with the shirt tucked in — he could be nicknamed “The Knife” (not really sure why). Incredible typography on the support car.

  44. Not quite on a trainer, but a article about the path to LeMan going for the hour.

    Found in Bicycle Guide, May 1991 that was found in a pile of women’s mags at mum’s house.

  45. @Gasman Jim

    I’d be interested in getting that for sure! You can find my email on the Keepers page.

  46. @frank

    @roadslave

    Did you really just post a bunch of jibberish that I had to delete for you before posting a screenshot of bankrupt power data, all while talking about Looking Fantastic?

    If anyone is struggling to define irony, I think that’s a great place to start.

    Guilty.  Although to be fair, I’m always talking about Looking Fantastic – just wish I could look it occasionally.  At least I’m not the one publishing articles on the inter webs about turbo trainers #nerd #yesiknow

  47. @frank. I have made a realization. You are training seriously for this year’s PF Hour! Good on you!

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    Not quite on a trainer, but a article about the path to LeMan going for the hour.

    Found in Bicycle Guide, May 1991 that was found in a pile of women’s mags at mum’s house.

    Thanx for posting this LeMan article

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