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Beppe Saronni: Patron Saint of Rule #22

Beppe Saronni: Patron Saint of Rule #22

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The cycling cap was part of any kit: nearly black shorts, team jersey and cap. It would be matching, it would be cotton. In the day before the required helmet, the cycling cap was it. Unrestrained by helmet or hairnet, the cap was the crown upon the head. It would sit high on the head, not pulled down like a baseball cap. It sat no higher upon the head than upon Giuseppi Beppe Saronni’s fine Italian head.

Beppe wore the cap with an unrivaled sense of italian style. The cap perched up there, as if it just landed, light as a feather. How it stayed there in the breeze, we don’t know. Perhaps the Saronni skull had just the perfect shape to hold a cap. We will leave that for the Phrenological scientists and the pathologist.

Rule #22 states the wearing of a cap may be for a brief interval before and after a ride, otherwise it has to be hidden under your helmet. That is a sad state of affairs. Maybe we need a national day of helmet-free cap riding. What is the worst that could happen? Do we have to ride the old timey Strade Bianche if we long to spend a long time in the saddle wearing a  V-cap? If we can only wear it for a brief time or while using toe clips, is it an anachronism? Is it time to take it back: wear it in the bathtub, in the car, gasp, while walking in public? This idea has been discussed before here; the cap is ours, we should own it. When and where would Eddy wear it?

Behold the Beppe.

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This video has been posted on the site before too but it deserves a wider audience.

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  1. LIST TO PRE ORDER A V CAP:

    1) Rob x 2

    2) Wiscot x 2

    3) Teocalli

    4) DCR x 2

    5) VeloSix X2

    6) Steve-o x 2

  2. LIST TO PRE ORDER A V CAP:

    1) Rob x 2

    2) Wiscot x 2

    3) Teocalli

    4) DCR x 2

    5) VeloSix X2

    6) Steve-o x 2

    7) RedRanger, 1 of each color if there is that option.

  3. LIST TO PRE ORDER A V CAP:

    1) Rob x 2

    2) Wiscot x 2

    3) Teocalli

    4) DCR x 2

    5) VeloSix X2

    6) Steve-o x 2

    7) RedRanger, 1 of each color if there is that option.

    8) Bill Chris x 2

  4. @ChrisO

    I thought it had already been announced that a V cap was on the way. Obviously not in a “We’ll have them in stock next week” sort of way but Frank has said they had overcome the previous issues and were going to produce them.

    Agreed, but as @Rob put up some encouragement I thought it was worth supporting.

  5. LIST TO PRE ORDER A V CAP:

    1) Rob x 2

    2) Wiscot x 2

    3) Teocalli

    4) DCR x 2

    5) VeloSix X2

    6) Steve-o x 2

    7) RedRanger, 1 of each color if there is that option.

    8) Bill Chris x 2

    9) JohnB x 3  (this way I might get at least one! Missing socks? I’m not bitter…….)

  6. LIST TO PRE ORDER A V CAP:

    1) Rob x 2
    2) Wiscot x 2

    3) Teocalli

    4) DCR x 2

    5) VeloSix X2

    6) Steve-o x 2

    7) RedRanger, 1 of each color if there is that option.

    8) Bill Chris x 2

    9) JohnB x 3 (this way I might get at least one! Missing socks? I’m not bitter…….)

    10) DeKerr x 1

    And I know there is a company here in Vancouver, BC that is making their own caps (Red Dots Cycling) who might be able to facilitate production.

  7. @mouse

    @The Pressure

    @Barracuda

    @pistard

    @Mikael Liddy

    I like the Fiasco Ciclismo kit, though it’s got nothing on Attaquer

    Think you were being quite generous to the Attaquer guys, these two are pretty interesting…

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  8. @Mikael Liddy  The only flaw was the uneveness of the black socks in the last pic.

  9. LIST TO PRE ORDER A V CAP:

    1) Rob x 2
    2) Wiscot x 2

    3) Teocalli

    4) DCR x 2

    5) VeloSix X2

    6) Steve-o x 2

    7) RedRanger, 1 of each color if there is that option.

    8) Bill Chris x 2

    9) JohnB x 3 (this way I might get at least one! Missing socks? I’m not bitter…….)

    10) DeKerr x 1

    11) Barracuda – South Oz is a cap not hat kinda place !

  10. 1) Rob x 2
    2) Wiscot x 2

    3) Teocalli

    4) DCR x 2

    5) VeloSix X2

    6) Steve-o x 2

    7) RedRanger, 1 of each color if there is that option.

    8) Bill Chris x 2

    9) JohnB x 3 (this way I might get at least one! Missing socks? I’m not bitter…….)

    10) DeKerr x 1

    11) Barracuda – South Oz is a cap not hat kinda place !

    12) Weldertron x 2

  11. @Bill Chris

    Lets get a V-Cap! Here is a rough draft I came up with. I dont have a very good program for designing so the draft is very rough, the “paint” program on windows is not very good. I have been saying we need a V-Cap for a while and I think others are into it as well so here is what I came up with. Any other ideas out there?

    !&@^!(! For Merckx sake. Get that shit out of here! KRX10, Karsten, the graphic design genius behind all Velominati will come to your house and snip off your windows using fingers with a pair of bolt cutters. He won’t do a tidy job.

    Yes, things are in motion. Announcements will be made at the appropriate time and orders will go through the normal gear page. Will they make ones that will fit my big head? I doubt it.

  12. best cotton cycling caps were made by Apis. They made them for all the teams and made to fit over hairnets. A heavy cotton with brilliant ribbons over the top.

    who makes them like that now?

  13. @poppapro Castelli. And no one will be wearing a cap over a hairnet these days.

  14. @unversio

    @poppapro Castelli. And no one will be wearing a cap over a hairnet these days.

    Sounds like it would be perfect for Gianni.

    Giordana caps are pretty good, in a functional, last for a couple of years kind of way.

    Best one I’ve bought recently, and I have a fairly regular cap-procurement programme, has been these guys: http://www.chapeaucycling.co.uk/chapeau-clothing/cotton-cycling-caps.html

    The cap is like any other to all intensive porpoises but the clever bit is they have put a thin felt band around the inside, so it gives it some good grip at the front and also helps the sweat deflect into the brim. Bit more expensive than others but highly recommended, plus I like the graphics and the juctaposition (conflation, whatever…) of the message and medium.

  15. Badfingers… justapitions, juxtapotion…. gahhh – contrast.

  16. @ChrisO Your renowned inner pedant will be needing a lesson in Rule V right about now….

  17. @sthilzy

    @Mikael Liddy The only flaw was the uneveness of the black socks in the last pic.

    That’s the ONLY flaw? Really? I suppose if you want to ride around looking like a pinata, don’t blame me if passers by try to whack you with sticks.  (insert emoticon here)

  18. @mouse

    @Mikael Liddy

    re: Attaquer and Fiasco kit

    The Only question is would Merckx have worn these? Mario def but I doubt, even if he was racing today, Eddie would.

  19. @ChrisO  Sorry to be pedantic but I am really particular about my caps and this just lies outside my envelop of comfort. Both, and most importantly, the cut and style of making (brim is a hair to big) and the graphics…  Perhaps it is not fair to judge on an image?

  20. @Gianni

    !&@^!(! For Merckx sake. Get that shit out of here! KRX10, Karsten, the graphic design genius behind all Velominati will come to your house and snip off your windows using fingers with a pair of bolt cutters. He won’t do a tidy job.

    Yes, things are in motion. Announcements will be made at the appropriate time and orders will go through the normal gear page. Will they make ones that will fit my big head? I doubt it.

    He,he, love cranking you up Gianni! And I know that I am a troll for hijacking the post with the list thang but it was done with love cause the Board needs to get on the cap and I was just trying to prove that this could be really big!

    Here we have over 26 orders from 13 (CrisO wants V but did not add his name to the list) and that was in only a few hours!

    I mean there’s a boat load of crazies out there who NEED this!

  21. @Rob

    @mouse

    @Mikael Liddy

    re: Attaquer and Fiasco kit

    The Only question is would Merckx have worn these? Mario def but I doubt, even if he was racing today, Eddie would.

    Cipo is coming out here next week. Unfortunately the day that he is doing a private ride with our team (sponsor also sells Cipollini bikes) is also the first day of the Tour of Sharjah. Trying to get the shop to organise something else for us – it seems a shame that their best riders are the ones to miss out.

    @Rob Graphics are a matter of taste, granted, but the brim is exactly the same as every other cap I have – my Campagnolo rainbow stripes, Assos ‘Italia’ cap, various Giordana, Lazzaretti bike shop and I stopped checking after that. No issues there.

  22. No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming:  Cyclocross biathlon.  Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

  23. @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    Only in the US would this exist. It’s a good thing you aren’t required to carry the gun…

  24. @DCR

    @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    Only in the US would this exist. It’s a good thing you aren’t required to carry the gun…

    I know!  I checke dth ehphotos to see if they had them on their backs or not!  I would do it in a heartbeat!

  25. @Buck Rogers

    @DCR

    @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    Only in the US would this exist. It’s a good thing you aren’t required to carry the gun…

    I know! I checke dth ehphotos to see if they had them on their backs or not! I would do it in a heartbeat!

    I have yet to explore the world of CX and I can’t say I am a good shot so I would most likely fail miserably.

  26. @ChrisO

    @Rob

    @mouse

    @Mikael Liddy

    re: Attaquer and Fiasco kit

    The Only question is would Merckx have worn these? Mario def but I doubt, even if he was racing today, Eddie would.

    Cipo is coming out here next week. Unfortunately the day that he is doing a private ride with our team (sponsor also sells Cipollini bikes) is also the first day of the Tour of Sharjah. Trying to get the shop to organise something else for us – it seems a shame that their best riders are the ones to miss out.

    @Rob Graphics are a matter of taste, granted, but the brim is exactly the same as every other cap I have – my Campagnolo rainbow stripes, Assos ‘Italia’ cap, various Giordana, Lazzaretti bike shop and I stopped checking after that. No issues there.

    I stand corrected on the cap! As I sort of guessed because it is new, not broken in and an image does not do justice. As to graphics each to his own… I love the old trade and team caps.

    On Mario’s visit how can the shop have blown that one? You have to have time with him – how much fun would that be!! I hope the tour goes well for you? Maybe Mario will jump in for a few laps of the crit?

  27. Hey @Buck Rogers, And why not start a West Point team?? Gee I wonder who the coach would be…

  28. @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    You should go to this event next year, it’s just over the border from you in Western Mass.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertkerner/sets/72157636778952986/with/10394681933/

  29. @Rob

    Hey @Buck Rogers, And why not start a West Point team?? Gee I wonder who the coach would be…

    I am already one of the assistant coaches of the Nordic team here.  They have (we-since I moved here last year) have been trying for YEARS to get a Biathlon team here at West Point.  Seems incredible that they do not have one.  But, as a sign of the fiscal cutbacks, our Nordic Team lost ALL funding last year and is now considered a “Hobby Sport” which means no money for the team to travel/compete/buy wax, etc and no specified time for team training. 

    Every Cadet has to do 2 to 3 hours of athletic training here every day and if you are on a “Corp” level (football, baseball, basketball, etc) or a “Club” level (boxing, Lacrosse, Judo, marathon, etc) sport, you are allowed the two to three hours of required physical training time to be with your teams coaches and in your specific sport and you are funded.  If your sport is a “Hobby” level sport you have to report for Company athletics, which is a catchall term that means that you do whatever they decide that day and it will never be Nordic skiing, that’s for sure.  They have cut the “Club” level sports down by 16 in the past two years as they say that they do not have the money to fund them, yet the Football coach made $650,000 last year, not including any bonuses.

    Painful!

    Really painful as the Nordic Team here currently has a Cadet who is a former Vermont State Champion skier and a couple of former junior olympic team members who have to go play basketball or Army training stuff as opposed to being able to train in their top sport.

  30. @Buck Rogers Lovely.  I’m sure the 10th Mtn Div would not mind having a fit jr officer with nordic skills.

  31. @Nate

    @Buck Rogers Lovely. I’m sure the 10th Mtn Div would not mind having a fit jr officer with nordic skills.

    That’s the kicker!!!  The current Commandant of West Point, BG Clarke (1 star) just came from FT Drum last year where he was the DCG of 10th MTN and he loves to nordic ski.  He totally undetsands but the funds are just being cut everywhere!  He’s a really cool guy, former Ranger Officer who has deployed and commanded Rangers a number of times.  Not just a Ranger Tab.

  32. @Nate

    @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    You should go to this event next year, it’s just over the border from you in Western Mass.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertkerner/sets/72157636778952986/with/10394681933/

    That. Looks. Fun.

    For the first time, I spent a couple of days this season deer hunting from my mtb. No opportunities for a shot, but my partner and I got way farther in than we could have on foot! (The rifles were unloaded while we were mounted, we were using the bikes to cover ground, not to road-hunt from.)

    But hauling ass and punching paper? I’d be all over that.

  33. @Rob

    @Gianni

    !&@^!(! For Merckx sake. Get that shit out of here! KRX10, Karsten, the graphic design genius behind all Velominati will come to your house and snip off your windows using fingers with a pair of bolt cutters. He won’t do a tidy job.

    Yes, things are in motion. Announcements will be made at the appropriate time and orders will go through the normal gear page. Will they make ones that will fit my big head? I doubt it.

    He,he, love cranking you up Gianni! And I know that I am a troll for hijacking the post with the list thang but it was done with love cause the Board needs to get on the cap and I was just trying to prove that this could be really big!

    Here we have over 26 orders from 13 (CrisO wants V but did not add his name to the list) and that was in only a few hours!

    I mean there’s a boat load of crazies out there who NEED this!

    Gianni, I need my fingers for many things so dont have KRX10 take them off. I am sure a cap cant fit over your head, maybe we can workout a V-sombrero, that might fit. As for the cap design post, I wanted to stur up the masses to make sure the powers that be know of the demand for a v-cap. Just making sure the wheels are spinning.
    @Rob, well done on the list. “NEED” is a strong word and I am glad you used it.

  34. @Buck Rogers

    @Nate

    @Buck Rogers Lovely. I’m sure the 10th Mtn Div would not mind having a fit jr officer with nordic skills.

    That’s the kicker!!! The current Commandant of West Point, BG Clarke (1 star) just came from FT Drum last year where he was the DCG of 10th MTN and he loves to nordic ski. He totally undetsands but the funds are just being cut everywhere! He’s a really cool guy, former Ranger Officer who has deployed and commanded Rangers a number of times. Not just a Ranger Tab.

    That’s a rare occurrence.  I’ve known a bunch of Ranger qualified officers during my Army career, but I’d never met one who had been assigned to a Ranger unit, much less commanded one.  My battalion XO way back in the late 70s was one of the few non-airborne qualified Rangers.

  35. @ChrisO ouch, that’s a bugger on missing Cipo. Story is he’ll be working on his tan at the TDU come January, hoping to swing some time off work to ensure I’m free for whatever rides he might do.

  36. @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    Beer hand-ups during the cross sections could make the shooting results interesting!

  37. @Buck Rogers

    @Nate

    @Buck Rogers Lovely. I’m sure the 10th Mtn Div would not mind having a fit jr officer with nordic skills.

    That’s the kicker!!! The current Commandant of West Point, BG Clarke (1 star) just came from FT Drum last year where he was the DCG of 10th MTN and he loves to nordic ski. He totally undetsands but the funds are just being cut everywhere! He’s a really cool guy, former Ranger Officer who has deployed and commanded Rangers a number of times. Not just a Ranger Tab.

    Wow, interesting.

  38. @Mikael Liddy

    @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    Beer hand-ups during the cross sections could make the shooting results interesting!

    A little too interesting, perhaps. Downside to biathlon: deferred beerification.

  39. @Buck Rogers the whole thing of cut backs suck – its not like were talking about a dance school, this is the US Army!? Of course they have to pay the football coach 1/2 a mil because it is the US Army and we have to beat the US Navy!

    Oh well get a CX bike, train hard and go to the shooting range, practice and then enter one of the races just for yucks – I bet you’d ring their bells!

     

  40. @Bill Chris

    @Rob

    @Gianni

    !&@^!(! For Merckx sake. Get that shit out of here! KRX10, Karsten, the graphic design genius behind all Velominati will come to your house and snip off your windows using fingers with a pair of bolt cutters. He won’t do a tidy job.

    Yes, things are in motion. Announcements will be made at the appropriate time and orders will go through the normal gear page. Will they make ones that will fit my big head? I doubt it.

    He,he, love cranking you up Gianni! And I know that I am a troll for hijacking the post with the list thang but it was done with love cause the Board needs to get on the cap and I was just trying to prove that this could be really big!

    Here we have over 26 orders from 13 (CrisO wants V but did not add his name to the list) and that was in only a few hours!

    I mean there’s a boat load of crazies out there who NEED this!

    Gianni, I need my fingers for many things so dont have KRX10 take them off. I am sure a cap cant fit over your head, maybe we can workout a V-sombrero, that might fit. As for the cap design post, I wanted to stur up the masses to make sure the powers that be know of the demand for a V-cap. Just making sure the wheels are spinning.
    @Rob, well done on the list. “NEED” is a strong word and I am glad you used it.

    Bill, was way ahead of Gianni on this one (a rare thing) and I knew that you just threw out that “design” as bait as did I with the list. And thanks, because although the Board know we want caps I do not think that they get the pent up angst they have created by making V caps a low priority.

    This raises the question of what is a high priority now that the Book of Rules is out and Frank finished the article on tire patches? Just what is the hold up???

    Ah well, probably the same thing that holds me back from finishing my masterpiece, namely I like to ride my bike too much.

  41. @Nate

    @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    You should go to this event next year, it’s just over the border from you in Western Mass.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertkerner/sets/72157636778952986/with/10394681933/

    Jesus!  Those Dudes are riding with their weapons.  That might be just a hair too much for me, unless it was a super safe course, but even then I do not know. 

    But no doubt ultra-Cool!

  42. @revchuck

    @Buck Rogers

    @Nate

    @Buck Rogers Lovely. I’m sure the 10th Mtn Div would not mind having a fit jr officer with nordic skills.

    That’s the kicker!!! The current Commandant of West Point, BG Clarke (1 star) just came from FT Drum last year where he was the DCG of 10th MTN and he loves to nordic ski. He totally undetsands but the funds are just being cut everywhere! He’s a really cool guy, former Ranger Officer who has deployed and commanded Rangers a number of times. Not just a Ranger Tab.

    That’s a rare occurrence. I’ve known a bunch of Ranger qualified officers during my Army career, but I’d never met one who had been assigned to a Ranger unit, much less commanded one. My battalion XO way back in the late 70s was one of the few non-airborne qualified Rangers.

    Leg Ranger, eh?  I had a few in my stick when in Airborne school as they somehow went to Ranger school prior to Airborne but I have never met one that did not subsequently make it to Airborne. 

    Almost wonder how that happened!

  43. @Buck Rogers

    @Nate

    @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    You should go to this event next year, it’s just over the border from you in Western Mass.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertkerner/sets/72157636778952986/with/10394681933/

    Jesus! Those Dudes are riding with their weapons. That might be just a hair too much for me, unless it was a super safe course, but even then I do not know.

    But no doubt ultra-Cool!

    My understanding is that they are air/pellet guns so maybe that’s safe(r).  Disclaimer: not actually a gun guy myself.

  44. @Nate

    @Buck Rogers

    @Nate

    @Buck Rogers

    No idea where to post this but this has to be the coolest fall/early winter sport up-and-coming: Cyclocross biathlon. Full on cyclocross race with four shooting stations and penalities for each missed shot.

    Cannot WAIT until I move back to VT!

    http://vtsports.com/pdf/dec12/dec12.html#p=4

    You should go to this event next year, it’s just over the border from you in Western Mass.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertkerner/sets/72157636778952986/with/10394681933/

    Jesus! Those Dudes are riding with their weapons. That might be just a hair too much for me, unless it was a super safe course, but even then I do not know.

    But no doubt ultra-Cool!

    My understanding is that they are air/pellet guns so maybe that’s safe(r). Disclaimer: not actually a gun guy myself.

    Ahhh man, that takes ALL the fun out of it!!!

    Just kidding.  I will definitely have to check it out next year as I am planning on doing it!

  45. you'll shoot your eye out

  46. This rule needs to be changed: Don’t wear a cycling cap unless you competed in the event it represents or are a member of the team listed on the bill.

    If you satisfy either, wear it any damn time you please.

  47. @G’rilla

    This rule needs to be changed: Don’t wear a cycling cap unless you competed in the event it represents or are a member of the team listed on the bill.

    If you satisfy either, wear it any damn time you please.

    I disagree.While I am not a fan of caps with the world champions rainbow on them, I see no harm in wearing a cap to show your support for your favorite rider/team or even brand. On the other hand I do find it breaches some code when I see people wearing the full team sky kit from shoe covers and socks to cap. There are also circumstances where one might wear a team kit or mimic one, like festum prophetae.

  48. @G’rilla

    This rule needs to be changed: Don’t wear a cycling cap unless you competed in the event it represents or are a member of the team listed on the bill.

    If you satisfy either, wear it any damn time you please.

    When there are real, live V-caps, we won’t need a rule for this.

  49. Gino ponders whether to tell Fausto about #Rule36.

  50. Another name down for the V cap!!!

    David

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