What will Spartacus do?

WWSD

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When it comes to hardmen, there aren’t many tougher than this guy. That he manages to mix massive amounts of V with similarly massive amounts of Casual Deliberation only serves to heighten the man-crushes of a bunch of older, fatter, balder men who see a visage of Spatacus looking back at us in the mirror every time we don lycra. We wish we could be him.

So I put myself into the mind of Fabs after his huge crash/broken back/ride anyway/forced to retire sequence the other day. The guy has had a lot of bad luck over the last few years, and as he gets to the twilight of his career, decisions need to be made. What Will Spartacus Do? Well, I don’t know, but I do know what Spartacus should do.

The only way for Faboo to go out is thus:

  • Take a break in the sun, drink rum, heal the injury and ride a scooter without a helmet. Try not to fall off.
  • Work off the fat from all the Mojitos and get training again.
  • Target the World Champs road race and win the bloody thing.
  • Look completely awesome in the rainbow bands (with black shorts) and win Lombardia.
  • Have a rest over winter, then train for one last Classics campaign.
  • Win Het Volk, E3, the Ronde and Roubaix while looking awesome in the bands.
  • Retire on the velodrome with a cobble in hand.
  • Un-retire. Break the Hour Record.
  • Replace fucking Jens on whatever commentary team I had to put up with listening to his shit the other night.

Shouldn’t be too big an ask.

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  1. @SteelCamp

    Wow what a bunch of meanies. Love the sport Love the BIKES and the Riders and Love the people that bring it all to us. The biggest problem I have had in cycling is interacting with a bunch of snobs who can’t probably couldn’t do any of it better.

    I’ve corrected your post. Apologies for feeling the need to.

    David

  2. @davidlhill

    :)

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  4. @davidlhill

    @SteelCamp

    Wow what a bunch of meanies. Love the sport Love the BIKES and the Riders and Love the people that bring it all to us. The biggest problem I have had in cycling is interacting with a bunch of snobs who can’t probably couldn’t do any of it better.

    I’ve corrected your post. Apologies for feeling the need to.

    David

    Actually you two I’ve worked nearly thirty years in television, launched multiple programs and even a sports network. I know shit when I see and hear it.

    Ligget and Sherwen are shit and the French coverage of the Tour (which is what we see with their commentary on top) is also merde – about 20 years out of date.

    That’s a professional, not cycling opinion.

  5. Hope Tony Martin doesn’t go the same way as Cancellara. Bit of a curse on the yellow jersey this year.

    Also having slightly mixed feelings about Teklahaimanot. Nice for a young rider to get the polka dot jersey but bagging three minor bumps has the same points as winning on Mur de Huy? Get out of here…

  6. @ChrisO

    Hope Tony Martin doesn’t go the same way as Cancellara. Bit of a curse on the yellow jersey this year.

    Also having slightly mixed feelings about Teklahaimanot. Nice for a young rider to get the polka dot jersey but bagging three minor bumps has the same points as winning on Mur de Huy? Get out of here…

    Agreed. Panzerwagon looked phucked at the finish but he’s total pro so might be precautions for a scan.

    Totally agree about TV coverage too. So dumbed down. Rarely get any decent insights from commentary and seldom speed and never power. All readily available to DS. Why not the audience.

    But I think it’s Paul Sherwen that has the gold mine.

  7. @ChrisO

    @davidlhill

    @SteelCamp

    Wow what a bunch of meanies. Love the sport Love the BIKES and the Riders and Love the people that bring it all to us. The biggest problem I have had in cycling is interacting with a bunch of snobs who can’t probably couldn’t do any of it better.

    I’ve corrected your post. Apologies for feeling the need to.

    David

    Actually you two I’ve worked nearly thirty years in television, launched multiple programs and even a sports network. I know shit when I see and hear it.

    Ligget and Sherwen are shit and the French coverage of the Tour (which is what we see with their commentary on top) is also merde – about 20 years out of date.

    That’s a professional, not cycling opinion.

    I am open to being corrected

  8. @ChrisO

    @davidlhill

    @SteelCamp

    Wow what a bunch of meanies. Love the sport Love the BIKES and the Riders and Love the people that bring it all to us. The biggest problem I have had in cycling is interacting with a bunch of snobs who can’t probably couldn’t do any of it better.

    I’ve corrected your post. Apologies for feeling the need to.

    David

    Actually you two I’ve worked nearly thirty years in television, launched multiple programs and even a sports network. I know shit when I see and hear it.

    Ligget and Sherwen are shit and the French coverage of the Tour (which is what we see with their commentary on top) is also merde – about 20 years out of date.

    That’s a professional, not cycling opinion.

    Ah, ChrisO, my attempt at joshing with a newcomer clearly failed. I was primarily referring to his ‘interacting with’ bit, which implies riders, hence the correction. As far as I know barring you there aren’t many riders here that ride at your level. I could very well be wrong.

    Last time I did the “he be new around here” bit – worked better.

    I’ll consider myself admonished!

  9. But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

  10. @SteelCamp

    @ChrisO

    @davidlhill

    @SteelCamp

    Wow what a bunch of meanies. Love the sport Love the BIKES and the Riders and Love the people that bring it all to us. The biggest problem I have had in cycling is interacting with a bunch of snobs who can’t probably couldn’t do any of it better.

    I’ve corrected your post. Apologies for feeling the need to.

    David

    Actually you two I’ve worked nearly thirty years in television, launched multiple programs and even a sports network. I know shit when I see and hear it.

    Ligget and Sherwen are shit and the French coverage of the Tour (which is what we see with their commentary on top) is also merde – about 20 years out of date.

    That’s a professional, not cycling opinion.

    I am open to being corrected

    Don’t attempt to use the term “meanies” within a semi-intelligent dialogue — around us (period).

  11. @frank

    Can I just point out, for the record, that whatever you see in the mirror in no way reflects Faboo.

    Just sayin’.

    Also, I don’t understand the Phil/Paul hate; for me, those voices are Le Tour and the classics. As wrong as Phil is most of the time, it’s endearing how Paul corrects him with a little chuckle.

    And how can anyone hate Jensie? He’s a legend, mad as a bag of cats, funny as shit, and too happy to matter in his commentary.

    I might get hate, but I am going with @Frank on this one. Phil, Paul, and Bob Roll are the only cycling commentators I know, and they will probably be the ones I wax nostalgic about as I age. I am still a relative noob compared to most of you, I have only been doing this for 5 or 6 years, the first Tour I watched was 2012, this is the first year I have actually paid attention to the Giro, I just started watching classics last year, and I have never watched coverage of the Vuelta. I have never had a chance to hear any others, so I may not know any better, but all I really need from them is to tell me who is where and doing what. They do that just fine.

    Like most things, the coverage of cycling in America will never reach the levels it has in Europe, but I won’t complain. Listening to Phil and Paul is far better than the alternative of not being able to watch at all, and for that I am thankful.

  12. @unversio

    @SteelCamp

    @ChrisO

    @davidlhill

    @SteelCamp

    Wow what a bunch of meanies. Love the sport Love the BIKES and the Riders and Love the people that bring it all to us. The biggest problem I have had in cycling is interacting with a bunch of snobs who can’t probably couldn’t do any of it better.

    I’ve corrected your post. Apologies for feeling the need to.

    David

    Actually you two I’ve worked nearly thirty years in television, launched multiple programs and even a sports network. I know shit when I see and hear it.

    Ligget and Sherwen are shit and the French coverage of the Tour (which is what we see with their commentary on top) is also merde – about 20 years out of date.

    That’s a professional, not cycling opinion.

    I am open to being corrected

    Don’t attempt to use the term “meanies” within a semi-intelligent dialogue — around us (period).

  13. @Mikael Liddy

    @Oli interesting, I’ve heard nothing but praise for Keeno. What’s the issue?

    Not a Keenan fan either. Heard him call Fabs “Cancerella” for most of a Tour a few years back. He switched to Cancellara for a day or two but then was back to “Cancerella” for the remainder.

    Phil was just embarrassing on the cobble stage the other night… @Bianchi Denti and I were practically shouting at the TV as he called rider after rider wrong. It really is time to move on, he’s had a great career but has been out of touch since, oh about 1999.

  14. @SteelCamp

    But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

    Don’t think I’d be kissing Phil’s shoes if I met him.

    And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

    Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

  15. @Owen

    How big of an ask would it be to get V-themed WWSD bracelets made? Seems like an anti-Cantankerous Texan move. All proceeds go to a Keeper beer fund.

    How about no bracelets, and you set up a Keeper Beer Fund?

  16. @Meanie

    @unversio

    @SteelCamp

    @ChrisO

    @davidlhill

    @SteelCamp

    Wow what a bunch of meanies. Love the sport Love the BIKES and the Riders and Love the people that bring it all to us. The biggest problem I have had in cycling is interacting with a bunch of snobs who can’t probably couldn’t do any of it better.

    I’ve corrected your post. Apologies for feeling the need to.

    David

    Actually you two I’ve worked nearly thirty years in television, launched multiple programs and even a sports network. I know shit when I see and hear it.

    Ligget and Sherwen are shit and the French coverage of the Tour (which is what we see with their commentary on top) is also merde – about 20 years out of date.

    That’s a professional, not cycling opinion.

    I am open to being corrected

    Don’t attempt to use the term “meanies” within a semi-intelligent dialogue — around us (period).

    Owned. Well done that man.

  17. @Harminator

    @ChrisO

    Hope Tony Martin doesn’t go the same way as Cancellara. Bit of a curse on the yellow jersey this year.

    Also having slightly mixed feelings about Teklahaimanot. Nice for a young rider to get the polka dot jersey but bagging three minor bumps has the same points as winning on Mur de Huy? Get out of here…

    Agreed. Panzerwagon looked phucked at the finish but he’s total pro so might be precautions for a scan.

    No such luck. Put his collarbone into a few pieces, and it’s an open fracture. Cool as a fucking cucumber during the Yellow Jersey ceremony while probably in an immense amount of pain.

  18. @Matt

    @Harminator

    @ChrisO

    Hope Tony Martin doesn’t go the same way as Cancellara. Bit of a curse on the yellow jersey this year.

    Also having slightly mixed feelings about Teklahaimanot. Nice for a young rider to get the polka dot jersey but bagging three minor bumps has the same points as winning on Mur de Huy? Get out of here…

    Agreed. Panzerwagon looked phucked at the finish but he’s total pro so might be precautions for a scan.

    No such luck. Put his collarbone into a few pieces, and it’s an open fracture. Cool as a fucking cucumber during the Yellow Jersey ceremony while probably in an immense amount of pain.

    yup, he landed flush on the point of his left shoulder. Perfect recipe for a shattered collarbone. Nice of the ASO to put the jersey on him before the presentation so that you didn’t have the Contador/Giro sight of him holding the jersey in his hand.

  19. @brett

    @SteelCamp

    But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

    Don’t think I’d be kissing Phil’s shoes if I met him.

    And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

    Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

    just get the name right, you had ONE job, FFS one job!!

  20. @piwakawaka

    @brett

    @SteelCamp

    But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

    Don’t think I’d be kissing Phil’s shoes if I met him.

    And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

    Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

    just get the name right, you had ONE job, FFS one job!!

    *I may have used these names as an example and that may not have happened, but there were numerous occasions where it was just as fucking obvious.

  21. @Mikael Liddy

    @Matt

    @Harminator

    No such luck. Put his collarbone into a few pieces, and it’s an open fracture. Cool as a fucking cucumber during the Yellow Jersey ceremony while probably in an immense amount of pain.

    yup, he landed flush on the point of his left shoulder. Perfect recipe for a shattered collarbone. Nice of the ASO to put the jersey on him before the presentation so that you didn’t have the Contador/Giro sight of him holding the jersey in his hand.

    To quote the EQS team doctor Helge Riepenhof, “Unfortunately, the collarbone is a lateral fracture. “The collarbone is in lots of pieces, so it was a major impact. One of the pieces came through the skin, which means it’s an open fracture.” I’ve spent a lifetime as an Army infantryman, so I’m no stranger to strong language. I just don’t like it, typically don’t swear, but. WHAT THE FUCK, OVER?!

    So then Tony tweets: “Collarbone is broken. We will discuss further steps.” Is he REALLY thinking of starting tomorrow?! So, after Cancellera’s crash, finishing the stage up the Mur de Huy, and the other assorted injuries and broken bones can we put to rest the mythology of the 1970’s Belgian hard man and that the modern peloton are a bunch of pussies?! My god.

  22. Well, Phil, Jens, Bob, if you’re reading this I think you’re doing a great job.

  23. @SteelCamp

    Well, Phil, Jens, Bob, if you’re reading this I think you’re doing a great job.

    Seconded, and for what it’s worth, my opinion is the only one that matters. (And yours is also helpful, @SteelCamp)

  24. @Mikael Liddy

    I wax & wane when it comes to Faboo, when you see things like the other night there’s no end in sight to the man crush, but then he comes out whining about race conditions (see wet cobbles last year) and I begin to doubt myself again…

    I wax more than I wane on Fabs. He does show some moments of weakness, but I think they are most done at gunpoint when it comes down to career-limiting comments that he has to undo. The Rainy cobbles is a classic example; he talked some trash, he didn’t win, his team leader lost heaps of time, and then he had to do what he had to do in order to have a 2015.

    I mean, sure, I wish it wasn’t like that but we all know how brutal business is and Cycling is – sadly and thankfully – a business.

  25. @brett

    @SteelCamp

    But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

    Don’t think I’d be kissing Phil’s shoes if I met him.

    And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

    Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

    Well, someone’s gone straight to his own head, hasn’t he. I’ve heard you speak, it’s not as impressive as you think.

    As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.

    I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

  26. @frank

    @brett

    @SteelCamp

    But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

    Don’t think I’d be kissing Phil’s shoes if I met him.

    And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

    Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

    Well, someone’s gone straight to his own head, hasn’t he. I’ve heard you speak, it’s not as impressive as you think.

    As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.

    I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

    There is a certain comfort level when listening to Phil and Paul. They have been commentators for the US broadcasts for so long that it will seem unnatural when they are no longer doing them, despite any perceived flaws. They are commenting on a bicycle race, not providing ground control for Apollo 13.

  27. @frank

    I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

    40 year career as a cycling journalist and commentator — “My heart was in cycling, but I was racing against Eddy Merckx and I was nowhere in his class. I thought, ‘If I can’t be the very best, maybe I should take a job as a journalist.’ So I did.” – Phil Liggett

    The guy has merit — and he’s smart.

  28. @Mikael Liddy

    No offence, but it’s mainly his accent. Also, he is so monotone I find it hard to engage with what he’s saying. In his favour he seems quite knowledgeable, but he just grates on me I’m afraid.

    I’m no Phil and Paul fan these days – way too many fundamental errors and sadly well past their use-by date – but the tone and timbre of their voices are at least tolerable, and I can still enjoy screaming corrections at the screen. If Keenan is mainly right factually then all I can complain about is his voice…

    As for commentators I like, Dan Lloyd, Sean Kelly (when he’s not mumbling incoherently), Matt Stephens and David Millar are the best of the current crop in my opinion.

  29. @frank

    @brett

    @SteelCamp

    But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

    Don’t think I’d be kissing Phil’s shoes if I met him.

    And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

    Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

    Well, someone’s gone straight to his own head, hasn’t he. I’ve heard you speak, it’s not as impressive as you think.

    As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.

    I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

    I wasn’t saying I have a good speaking voice… I’m Australian FFS, I’m cursed with the worst accent on earth. I meant that at least I can identify a rider in a bike race. Something Phil has lost the knack for, even if he was good at it 20 years ago. Time for him to leave.

  30. Ok ok that’s all well and good but I could listen to King Kelly comment on Le Tour all day on the EuroSport streams I’ve been clogging up the office bandwidth with.

  31. @Jay

    @frank

    @brett

    @SteelCamp

    But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

    Don’t think I’d be kissing Phil’s shoes if I met him.

    And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

    Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

    Well, someone’s gone straight to his own head, hasn’t he. I’ve heard you speak, it’s not as impressive as you think.

    As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.

    I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

    There is a certain comfort level when listening to Phil and Paul. They have been commentators for the US broadcasts for so long that it will seem unnatural when they are no longer doing them, despite any perceived flaws. They are commenting on a bicycle race, not providing ground control for Apollo 13.

    Exactly; I can’t separate cycling from the voice of Phil Ligget, and I love him for it. And he embraced Paul as a partner which says all you need about his character.

  32. @frank

    Exactly; I can’t separate cycling from the voice of Phil Ligget, and I love him for it. And he embraced Paul as a partner which says all you need about his character.

    He also embraced Pharmy and covered for him for all those years. That says all I need about his character.

  33. @Oli a reasonable point, but not knowing how much exposure you guys across the ditch get to him, I do wonder whether that might be down to him being the warm up act for PnP tasked with covering the first hour or so of the TdF coverage before things tend to get exciting (generalising I know).

    From a commentary point of view, his ability to pick riders correctly is something he’s said he prides himself on, and against the backdrop of PnP he’s a very refreshing change. Being an Aussie, SBS use him for the majority of their spring classics coverage, calling the race out of a tiny sound studio in Sydney, relying on the same pictures being broadcast on the worldwide feed. His calls of the two Milan-San Remos prior to this year were unbelievable in regard to knowing which black Gabba-clad rider was which.

    He’s also ridiculously approachable via social media, happy to engage just about anyone when it comes to cycling related queries & very ready to explain positions he takes (or needs to take) when broadcasting as opposed to just bollocking anyone who might criticise him.

  34. @frank

    @brett

    @SteelCamp

    But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

    Don’t think I’d be kissing Phil’s shoes if I met him.

    And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

    Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

    Well, someone’s gone straight to his own head, hasn’t he. I’ve heard you speak, it’s not as impressive as you think.

    As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.

    I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

    Stop it,

    now you’re just introducing logic and common sense into a discussion where at the start I was sure I still couldn’t stand the P1 & P2 muppet show, shit I’m convinced that the four beers I had last night made me a better analyst of the sport, but now im not so sure I have an opinion either way. I hate that !

    Now, after that’s all said and done, my thoughts will do a complete about face after tonight’s shit commentary again !

    Bring on Keeno full time

  35. @Harminator

    @ChrisO

    Hope Tony Martin doesn’t go the same way as Cancellara. Bit of a curse on the yellow jersey this year.

    Also having slightly mixed feelings about Teklahaimanot. Nice for a young rider to get the polka dot jersey but bagging three minor bumps has the same points as winning on Mur de Huy? Get out of here…

    Agreed. Panzerwagon looked phucked at the finish but he’s total pro so might be precautions for a scan.

    Totally agree about TV coverage too. So dumbed down. Rarely get any decent insights from commentary and seldom speed and never power. All readily available to DS. Why not the audience.

    But I think it’s Paul Sherwen that has the gold mine.

    The mine may be Paul’s, but I’m pretty sure I remember reading that both Aunty Phil & Mellow Johnny are pretty heavily invested in it.

  36. @Mikael Liddy

    @Oli a reasonable point, but not knowing how much exposure you guys across the ditch get to him, I do wonder whether that might be down to him being the warm up act for PnP tasked with covering the first hour or so of the TdF coverage before things tend to get exciting (generalising I know).

    From a commentary point of view, his ability to pick riders correctly is something he’s said he prides himself on, and against the backdrop of PnP he’s a very refreshing change. Being an Aussie, SBS use him for the majority of their spring classics coverage, calling the race out of a tiny sound studio in Sydney, relying on the same pictures being broadcast on the worldwide feed. His calls of the two Milan-San Remos prior to this year were unbelievable in regard to knowing which black Gabba-clad rider was which.

    He’s also ridiculously approachable via social media, happy to engage just about anyone when it comes to cycling related queries & very ready to explain positions he takes (or needs to take) when broadcasting as opposed to just bollocking anyone who might criticise him.

    100% agree, concur with the statements re the back in black MSR’s, he was brilliant

  37. If you’re not streaming the French commentary of the race then are you really watching Le Tour at all?

  38. @Minnesota Expat

    Absolutely gutted for TM. You could see the physical pain and emotional pain he was in, from the moment he hit the deck.

    But this was a nice image.

  39. Oh dear, just watched the last km and if you need any further evidence of P&P incompetence…

  40. @brett

    Oh dear, just watched the last km and if you need any further evidence of P&P incompetence…

    What, do you mean that they called it as Matteo Trentin ?

    Or that they didn’t seem to realise there was no point looking at Sagan 50 metres back because Stybar (formerly a.k.a Trentin) was about to cross the line?

    Or was there some equally egregious error which I missed from yelling at the screen so much?

  41. @ChrisO

    @brett

    Oh dear, just watched the last km and if you need any further evidence of P&P incompetence…

    What, do you mean that they called it as Matteo Trentin ?

    Or that they didn’t seem to realise there was no point looking at Sagan 50 metres back because Stybar (formerly a.k.a Trentin) was about to cross the line?

    Or was there some equally egregious error which I missed from yelling at the screen so much?

    Or that Uncle Phil thought that Stybar was Cav for a moment? Really? The finish was 100% not Cav’s kind of finish, Cav is much shorter than Stybar and finally, I don’t think Cav’s ever worn RED shoes. I mean, it’s just embarrassing that PL gets highly paid to swan about France and do such a piss poor job. Again, PL has become an institution to the point where his obvious failings are trumped by his fame. If he was a rookie and did a screen terst he’d be shown the door after 5 minutes.

  42. @wiscot

    @ChrisO

    @brett

    Oh dear, just watched the last km and if you need any further evidence of P&P incompetence…

    What, do you mean that they called it as Matteo Trentin ?

    Or that they didn’t seem to realise there was no point looking at Sagan 50 metres back because Stybar (formerly a.k.a Trentin) was about to cross the line?

    Or was there some equally egregious error which I missed from yelling at the screen so much?

    Or that Uncle Phil thought that Stybar was Cav for a moment? Really? The finish was 100% not Cav’s kind of finish, Cav is much shorter than Stybar and finally, I don’t think Cav’s ever worn RED shoes. I mean, it’s just embarrassing that PL gets highly paid to swan about France and do such a piss poor job. Again, PL has become an institution to the point where his obvious failings are trumped by his fame. If he was a rookie and did a screen terst he’d be shown the door after 5 minutes.

    Have they got worse over the years or are we suffering from the benefits of everything being in glorious HD these days?

    When I were a lad you could only really work out who riders were in the long shots from the helicopters from their jerseys and having a rough idea of which group was which and who was in it.

    I suspect we were wrong just as much as the commentators back then, only no-one had a clue.

  43. @Mikael Liddy

    Yeah, he seems like a good guy and, as I said, knowledgeable so I’m not hating on him, I just can’t get into him as a commentator. It’s just how I feel.

  44. Great to see Cav back.

    Distinctly unimpressed with Sagan. Seems like he’s actually trying to just place in all the sprints not win – yesterday he sat and watched Stybar ride away and was looking around marking anyone else so he could ride for second.

    One green jersey without winning a stage is unfortunate, two begins to look like crappyness.

  45. @ChrisO

    Totally agree!

    He didn’t do diddly about Martin taking off on stage 4 and was sat there pulling his pud yesterday.

    0 Panache

  46. Love this man. His panache, courage, fucking outstanding guns, resilience, wonky faced handsomeness and cobblestone crushing awesomeness. I’m not gay but if I was…

  47. @chris

    Have they got worse over the years or are we suffering from the benefits of everything being in glorious HD these days?

    I’ll give NBC credit for spending the $$$ for proper coverage, from having former pros as commentators, reporters on the finish line, following the peloton, and buying all the video rights, and then putting on a four-hour broadcast. Excellent.

    Problem is the need to fill dead air with endless feature segments explaining bike racing, or picking their favorites for the day, or answering questions from Twitter. I just don’t learn anything from these guys. And “Ask Bobke”?! Has anyone tuned in to “Ask Bobke”? Would anyone admit watching “Ask Bobke”?

    Two recommendations; (1) Phil Ligget must stop shilling for Minions. It’s a movie for 5-year olds and does not help his stature as a cycling broadcast institution (however creaky that is). (2) If Bob Roll won’t take his next paycheck and go see a dentist, then we should launch a Kickstarter campaign and pay for it ourselves.

  48. Christ almighty Paul Sherwen has one idea in his head and he keeps repeating it.

    He even repeats the fact that he’s repeating it. “It’s all about the final two kilometres, as I’ve said to you since the start Phil.”

    STFU then if you’ve already said it, at least a dozen times.

    And just to illustrate how poor the coverage is – the TV not the commentators.

    So this year every rider has a transponder fitted which gives live data as they ride. Why are we having time checkpoints every 10km when it would be perfectly possible to have virtual positions at every point in the TT. You could show one team on screen and their nearest rivals as virtual ghosts at any time. The lack of imagination is what annoys me.

  49. @ChrisO

    Agree, where are the real time strava flybys?

  50. I do love Carlton Kirby’s innuendo and I don’t mind the odd Kirby-gasm. I find Sean Kelly a bit tough going despite him being a legend. I’ve enjoyed Eurosport’s coverage of the classics and other stage races during the whole season with a mix of Magnus Backstedt, Dan Lloyd and Matt Stephens.

    I was talking with a SBS presenter and he was pretty frank about his opinion of Phil and Paul which was at odds with was he’s read off the autocue. I asked him about when Phil said he would retire if COTHO was guilty and the fact he hadn’t. The presenter’s reply was that Phil loves the money too much. I now stream Eurosport to avoid Phil and Paul when I can.

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